whisky-dave wrote
Chris J Dixon wrote
Theo Markettos wrote

"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody
wants to buy, so we can make no money."

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on DIY.

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.

But you should also see more who buy a run down
dump and who can't afford to do anything but DIY
to turn it into something much more decent to live in.

Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.
Most things can be brought cheaper than it'd cost to build something
similar.

That isnt true of the house itself.

Is this because they can afford not to, or a
reflection of increasing bureaucratic control?

Both I'd have thought.

I don't, particularly after 2008.

And I don't see much bureaucratic control having
much effect on the most basic DIY like painting etc.

Its certainly true that more are more likely to have
their windows replaced professionally than doing
that themselves tho.

"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:08:48 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.
Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.

Living up to your name again?

Yeah, clearly blotto most of the time.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/14 13:38, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Theo Markettos wrote:

http://news.sky.com/story/1357846/ho...s-to-be-closed

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody wants to buy,
so we can make no money."

It is a shame that they have gone this way, but it is quite some
time since I even considered looking there, whereas I was once a
regular shopper.

Can't say I will miss their passing.

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on
DIY. Is this because they can afford not to, or a reflection of
increasing bureaucratic control?

People I think are busier

Maybe.

- and more scared because of the perception of more regulations.

I doubt that's true of the most basic DIY like painting etc.

And we've lost the post war "mend and make do" generation.

Largely due to the dramatic improvement in real standard of living since
then.

"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
...
sm_jamieson wrote:
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:12:19 PM UTC+1, Theo Markettos wrote:

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

I wonder what they're on about there, and what else they're planning to
change?

Surely that's a buzzword-encoded statement that just means they have too
many stores for the number of customers, and it's costing too much !
Homebase is nobodies first choice for DIY or Homewares, and always quite
empty when I go there.

If stuff isn't selling well, what are they going to replace it with?

There isnt anything they can do that with,
otherwise they would have done that already.

I can't quite read which way they're going.

I doubt they even know themselves.

Bet they have just decided to pull the plug on the worst
performing quarter of homobases and try to wing it from
there, and will fail just as badly as they have already.

Does that mean 'our top seller is scatter cushions,

I doubt that is true.

let's get rid of all those pesky tools' or
'what we need is more angle grinders'?

I doubt they know on that.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2014 13:38, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Theo Markettos wrote:

http://news.sky.com/story/1357846/ho...s-to-be-closed

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody wants to buy,
so we can make no money."

It is a shame that they have gone this way, but it is quite some
time since I even considered looking there, whereas I was once a
regular shopper.

Can't say I will miss their passing.

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on
DIY. Is this because they can afford not to, or a reflection of
increasing bureaucratic control?

I find thirty somethings have no DIY skills whatsoever.

Corse you only come across those who don't have any.

The ones that do you don't have anything to do with.

Not complaining.

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2014 14:08, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 13:38:30 UTC+1, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Theo Markettos wrote:



"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody wants to buy, so
we can make no money."



There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on
DIY.

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to
become householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd
to do any major DIY. Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they
weren't all moulted. Most things can be brought cheaper than it'd
cost to build something similar.

Most can't even assemble flatpack.

Most never could.

"Johny B Good" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:22:58 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:08:48 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.
Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.

Living up to your name again?

It _does_ look like it. :-)

Yeah, clearly completely blotto.

(e) In some parts of the country, younger people can no longer afford
to buy their own homes, so they are renting. You don't do much DIY in
rented property.

They wouldn't be in the sample on which I based my views - ie the
owner-occupiers I've seen.

That said:

a. I agree that money-rich/time-poor is a real issue for many by the
time they can afford to buy (and I suspect the TMH's rates would have
his hand bitten off in London); and
b. there are always exceptions - like the late-20s/early-30s guy near
us who last month dug out the collapsed retaining wall for the c.3 foot
drop at the bottom of his garden, including a 20 foot tree, and poured a
new one in reinforced concrete over a foot thick. He's a city slicker
too - but one who grew up on a farm!

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On 22/10/2014 20:25, Rod Speed wrote:


"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
...
sm_jamieson wrote:
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:12:19 PM UTC+1, Theo Markettos wrote:

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

I wonder what they're on about there, and what else they're
planning to change?

Surely that's a buzzword-encoded statement that just means they have too
many stores for the number of customers, and it's costing too much !
Homebase is nobodies first choice for DIY or Homewares, and always quite
empty when I go there.

If stuff isn't selling well, what are they going to replace it with?

There isnt anything they can do that with,
otherwise they would have done that already.

I can't quite read which way they're going.

I doubt they even know themselves.

Bet they have just decided to pull the plug on the worst
performing quarter of homobases and try to wing it from
there, and will fail just as badly as they have already.

Does that mean 'our top seller is scatter cushions,

I doubt that is true.

let's get rid of all those pesky tools' or
'what we need is more angle grinders'?

I doubt they know on that.

Well, there's a bit of a steer on that question at our local one. They
were next door to a B&Q, which closed down. So they pretty much knocked
it down and replaced with a whole new Homebase, opened a couple of
months ago.
It's very definitely oriented toward the scatter cushion end of the
market, together with over-priced garden ornaments, and incorporates
some kind of Argos collection point.
Not a very useful place for 'the likes of us' but, in their defence,
it's quite an attractive shop and seems to be much more popular than
their old branch, with some kind of target market (people looking at
over-priced tiles, scatter cushions and garden ornaments, who might be
prepared to also pay over the odds for mediocre-quality tools).

The Medway Handyman wrote:

I find thirty somethings have no DIY skills whatsoever.

So the thirty-somethings who do call in a handyman don't have any DIY
skills, what about the rest?

Dave Liquorice wrote:

polygonum wrote:

If precedent means anything, Focus became Matalan.

IIRC Focus Penrith became Wickes.

Texas became Homebase

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:

polygonum wrote:

If precedent means anything, Focus became Matalan.

IIRC Focus Penrith became Wickes.

Texas became Homebase

Texas was bought by Homesbase. Slight difference. The nearest Focus to
here is now an Asda.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

On 22/10/2014 13:12, Theo Markettos wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/1357846/ho...s-to-be-closed

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

I wonder what they're on about there, and what else they're planning to change?

Theo



Have to admit ... I never think of going to Homebase for anything, wife
occasionally buys some plants.

In message , Andy
Burns writes
Dave Liquorice wrote:

polygonum wrote:

If precedent means anything, Focus became Matalan.

IIRC Focus Penrith became Wickes.

Texas became Homebase

I remember the 'Texas Tom' advert on LBC Radio.

The present High Wycombe Staples was Focus.

High Wycombe has two Homebases - the ex-Texas one at Loudwater, at the
eastern extremity (one-and-a-half floors), and another (ground floor
only, but I'm sure, more floor area) a mile-and-a-half away, further
into town. Halfway between the two, there is a pretty large B&Q and a
Wickes - both of which are usually distinctly cheaper than Homebase.
Neither Homebase can be described as overly busy - in fact the Loudwater
one is usually pretty quiet. I reckon it will be one of those that will
go.
--
Ian

En el artículo , Theo Markettos
escribió:
http://news.sky.com/story/1357846/ho...s-to-be-closed

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

I wonder what they're on about there, and what else they're planning to change?

translation: they're up to their eyeballs in debt and sales aren't
covering the rent on their big expensive stores or the debt repayments.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Ian Jackson wrote:

Andy Burns writes:

Texas became Homebase

I remember the 'Texas Tom' advert

There's even have an unofficial website ...

http://www.texashomecare.co.uk/

In message , Andy
Burns writes
Ian Jackson wrote:

Andy Burns writes:

Texas became Homebase

I remember the 'Texas Tom' advert

There's even have an unofficial website ...

http://www.texashomecare.co.uk/

Unfortunately, there's only the home page. The rest is 'Not Found'. No
link to LBC Radio's advert.


--
Ian

On 22/10/2014 21:56, Ian Jackson wrote:
The present High Wycombe Staples was Focus.

When Focus closed, the premises it was in became Matalan.

I *thought* that those premises were Payless before Focus took them
over. Did Focus have another shop in HW?

--
Rod

On 22/10/2014 18:21, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:12:52 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

I find thirty somethings have no DIY skills whatsoever. Not
complaining.

Most can't even assemble flatpack.

Have you considered that the 30-somethings you meet professionally might
not be representative of EVERY 30-something?

Clearly, I am talking about the 30-somethings I meet, I haven't carried
out a nationwide survey. Have you?

That age is often the peak of career progression, mixed in with having a
social life and/or small children - so often cash-rich/time-poor.

The comments are usually "I'm hopeless at DIY" or "my partner is
hopeless at DIY".

Not exactly a combination that encourages even the DIY-competent if there's
the option of a cheap and low-hassle tradesman (that's you) flopping a
flyer through the letterbox.

That isn't me. I'm not cheap and I don't flop flyers through letter
boxes. I am hassle free.

--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In message , polygonum
writes
On 22/10/2014 21:56, Ian Jackson wrote:
The present High Wycombe Staples was Focus.

When Focus closed, the premises it was in became Matalan.

I *thought* that those premises were Payless before Focus took them
over. Did Focus have another shop in HW?

I'm pretty sure they didn't. However, there was a Jewsons (IIRC, just
off the West Wycombe road). It's now shown on the Cressex estate.
--
Ian

On 22/10/2014 23:04, Ian Jackson wrote:
I'm pretty sure they didn't. However, there was a Jewsons (IIRC, just
off the West Wycombe road). It's now shown on the Cressex estate.

Jessops until very recently were just off Hughenden Road - with another
branch at Cressex. The old Hughenden one now knocked down.

--
Rod

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:44:54 +0100, polygonum wrote:

If precedent means anything, Focus became Matalan.

IIRC Focus Penrith became Wickes.


The Focus in Huntingdon became a B&Q.

A Wickes also opened in the town last year (with a Toolstation),
opposite Screwfix. Homebase is up the road (all similarly moderately
sized shops), next to Argos, and a bit further up the road a Dunelm
Mills.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Homebase go.
--
Chris French

The Medway Handyman wrote
Adrian wrote
The Medway Handyman wrote

I find thirty somethings have no DIY skills whatsoever. Not
complaining.

Most can't even assemble flatpack.

Have you considered that the 30-somethings you meet professionally might
not be representative of EVERY 30-something?

Clearly, I am talking about the 30-somethings I meet,

Yes, and we are pointing out that there is a sampling bias involved with
those.

I haven't carried out a nationwide survey. Have you?

That isnt what you were talking about that all of us picked up on.

That age is often the peak of career progression, mixed in with having a
social life and/or small children - so often cash-rich/time-poor.

The comments are usually "I'm hopeless at DIY" or "my partner is hopeless
at DIY".

Its hardly surprising that those who are like that call you in to do the
work.

Not exactly a combination that encourages even the DIY-competent if
there's the option of a cheap and low-hassle tradesman (that's you)
flopping a flyer through the letterbox.

That isn't me. I'm not cheap and I don't flop flyers through letter
boxes. I am hassle free.

But only get called by those who are hopeless
at DIY or physically incapable of doing the DIY etc.

Its hardly surprising that you dont come across too
many 30 somethings that can do it for themselves.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 13:38:29 +0100, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on
DIY. Is this because they can afford not to, or a reflection of
increasing bureaucratic control?

The demasculisation of the young urban male.

Homebase seems never to have had as much success as the b/Q brand. I suspect
bad choices have been made in the past, and now they want to get some money
and use it for something else.
Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
...
http://news.sky.com/story/1357846/ho...s-to-be-closed

"a large estate with low sales densities that result in a challenged
financial model."

I wonder what they're on about there, and what else they're planning to
change?

Theo

On 22/10/2014 18:15, The Medway Handyman wrote:
On 22/10/2014 14:08, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 13:38:30 UTC+1, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Theo Markettos wrote:



"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody wants to buy, so
we can make no money."



There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on
DIY.

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to
become householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd
to do any major DIY. Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they
weren't all moulted. Most things can be brought cheaper than it'd
cost to build something similar.

Most can't even assemble flatpack.

That is probably because they naively try to follow the instructions.


--
Colin Bignell

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:50:22 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Have you considered that the 30-somethings you meet professionally
might not be representative of EVERY 30-something?

Clearly, I am talking about the 30-somethings I meet

Exactly - the ones who are paying for DIYable jobs to be done.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:50:22 +0100, The Medway Handyman
wrote:



That age is often the peak of career progression, mixed in with having a
social life and/or small children - so often cash-rich/time-poor.

The comments are usually "I'm hopeless at DIY" or "my partner is
hopeless at DIY".

A lot of DIY involves teaching yourself and learning by mistakes,
many people have to work longer hours or have a lot of their day taken
up traveling to work than in the past so don't get the opportunity to
learn on the job while younger . By the time the children come along ,
often later than in the past it is much easier if you have the income
to just call someone like yourself in who will have suitable tools,a
knowledge of who stocks a washer that may do a ping****it and whose
tube of gripfill hasn't gone solid in the months since you last used
it . A lot of time can be lost out of some bodies 48 hour leave
between Friday and Monday just getting stuff.

the option of a cheap and low-hassle tradesman (that's you) flopping a
flyer through the letterbox.

That isn't me. I'm not cheap and I don't flop flyers through letter
boxes. I am hassle free.

Good value rather than cheap then, and it's all relative . A few hours
of your time may not be much more than taking the family out for the
day. How do your rates compare say to spending to 90 minutes or so
attending a premier league football match.?

G.Harman

wrote
The Medway Handyman wrote

That age is often the peak of career progression, mixed in with having
a social life and/or small children - so often cash-rich/time-poor.

The comments are usually "I'm hopeless at DIY"
or "my partner is hopeless at DIY".

A lot of DIY involves teaching yourself and learning by mistakes,

Yes, even with building the entire house from scratch on a bare block of
land.

many people have to work longer hours

Not sure that is true.

or have a lot of their day taken up traveling to work than in the past

Yes.

so don't get the opportunity to learn on the job while younger .

I think its more likely that many more rent until the kids show up.

By the time the children come along , often later than in the past

Yes.

it is much easier if you have the income to just call someone
like yourself in who will have suitable tools, a knowledge of
who stocks a washer that may do a ping****it and whose tube
of gripfill hasn't gone solid in the months since you last used it.

And real living standards mean that what wasn't
possible in the past is now employing someone
like him wise for the average wage slave.

Same with basic stuff with cars as well.

A lot of time can be lost out of some bodies 48 hour
leave between Friday and Monday just getting stuff.

Not if you plan things properly.

the option of a cheap and low-hassle tradesman
(that's you) flopping a flyer through the letterbox.

That isn't me. I'm not cheap and I don't flop
flyers through letter boxes. I am hassle free.

Good value rather than cheap then, and it's all relative .

In the past many more just didn't have the income to be
able to employ someone like him for stuff they could do
themselves.

A few hours of your time may not be much more
than taking the family out for the day. How do
your rates compare say to spending to 90 minutes
or so attending a premier league football match.?

Or a few hours down the pub.

In message , at 20:56:41 on
Wed, 22 Oct 2014, GMM remarked:
They were next door to a B&Q, which closed down. So they pretty much
knocked it down and replaced with a whole new Homebase, opened a couple
of months ago.
It's very definitely oriented toward the scatter cushion end of the
market, together with over-priced garden ornaments, and incorporates
some kind of Argos collection point.

My closest retail shed is a Homebase, and I've used them for things
which are neither quite home furnishings nor DIY - stuff like doormats,
shelving units, and kitchen worktops; although sometimes they are useful
for paint that's a bit more exotic than they stock at Wilko.

A couple of months ago I noticed they'd refurbished it and added an
Argos collection point "coming soon" and a coffee bar. We must be
nearing a coffee bar event horizon soon.

My most recent visit to a different, and much bigger, Homebase was
frustrated because (a) Their paint mixing machine was broken and (b)
they don't do solvent-based Satinwood any more [so I had to break down
and buy from a Trade outlet].
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:41:55 +0100, wrote:

Good value rather than cheap then, and it's all relative . A few hours
of your time may not be much more than taking the family out for the
day. How do your rates compare say to spending to 90 minutes or so
attending a premier league football match.?

Roughly a family of four to an EPL match with pie and drink would get
TMH for a whole 8 hour day maybe a bit longer...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 16:04:34 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,

whisky-dave wrote:

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on

DIY.



Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become

householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any

major DIY.



Good point. It never occurred to me. Although many landlords don't mind a
bit of decoration if it's done well.

But they won't know whether or not it's well done until after it's been done and then it's too late. I wouldn't want anyone that's not done DIY to work on my property.
Then there's who actually pays for it. If you improve the value of the property by doing DIY the landlord is likely to hike the rent up, that's roughly what happened in stratford, when they tried to move the poor up north because they couldn't pay the higher rents.

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 18:21:58 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:12:52 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:

I find thirty somethings have no DIY skills whatsoever. Not
complaining.

Most can't even assemble flatpack.

Have you considered that the 30-somethings you meet professionally might
not be representative of EVERY 30-something?

Yes and a lot of people are told they can't do something or a warned against it.



That age is often the peak of career progression, mixed in with having a
social life and/or small children - so often cash-rich/time-poor. Not
exactly a combination that encourages even the DIY-competent if there's
the option of a cheap and low-hassle tradesman (that's you) flopping a
flyer through the letterbox.

Here at work I've been told that those in recepttion (females) can't carry parcels only post so it's my job to collect the parcels.
If they ask me just once more I'm going to attach a label to myself saying "I'm as useless as a women", see how that gets to thier PC equal oppotunities and equal pay for equal work works out.

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 20:17:19 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Chris J Dixon wrote
Theo Markettos wrote

"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody
wants to buy, so we can make no money."

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on DIY.

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.

But you should also see more who buy a run down
dump and who can't afford to do anything but DIY
to turn it into something much more decent to live in.

Run down dumps are too expensive to DIY, the trade by them up.
ofm course perhaps yuo can find a run down dump that's affordable then good luck.
http://www.propertyrenovate.com/
here's a run down property
Price: £649,950
Bedrooms: 3
Area: Chiswick
Type: Terrace

Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.
Most things can be brought cheaper than it'd cost to build something
similar.

That isnt true of the house itself.

Few people can afford the time or money or have the skill set to build there own house.


Is this because they can afford not to, or a
reflection of increasing bureaucratic control?

Both I'd have thought.

I don't, particularly after 2008.

And I don't see much bureaucratic control having
much effect on the most basic DIY like painting etc.

friends in rented accomendation have been told they aren't allowed to paint or decorate themselevs they have to get someone in to do it.



Its certainly true that more are more likely to have
their windows replaced professionally than doing
that themselves tho.

Well these all those regulations you have to check for, and even doing DIY windows might be cheaper but it's not cheap.

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 20:17:20 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:08:48 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.
Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.

Living up to your name again?

Yeah, clearly blotto most of the time.

Nah it's dsylexia where I'm thinking ahead of what I'm typing and the odd typo of course.

(e) In some parts of the country, younger people can no longer afford to
buy their own homes, so they are renting. You don't do much DIY in
rented property.

They could cut the grass and hedges - and clean the windows!

On Thursday, 23 October 2014 12:35:56 UTC+1, DerbyBorn wrote:

(e) In some parts of the country, younger people can no longer afford to
buy their own homes, so they are renting. You don't do much DIY in
rented property.

They could cut the grass and hedges - and clean the windows!

If the landlord could supply a mower or use yuor nail scissors and if you live upstairs is not always easy to clean the windows.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Chris J Dixon wrote
Theo Markettos wrote

"We have large stores full of rubbish that nobody
wants to buy, so we can make no money."

There was a suggestion that younger householders are less keen on DIY.

Young houueholders a few in number because they can't
afford to become householders. If you end up renting yuo
arent; realyl allowd to do any major DIY.

But you should also see more who buy a run down
dump and who can't afford to do anything but DIY
to turn it into something much more decent to live in.

Run down dumps are too expensive to DIY,

Bull****.

the trade by them up.

Anyone is free to buy one too.

ofm course perhaps yuo can find a run down
dump that's affordable then good luck.

They are sure to be cheaper than the
same place that isnt run down, stupid.

http://www.propertyrenovate.com/
here's a run down property
Price: £649,950
Bedrooms: 3
Area: Chiswick
Type: Terrace

**** all of the run down dumps are priced at anything like that.

Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they
weren't all moulted. Most things can be brought
cheaper than it'd cost to build something similar.

That isnt true of the house itself.

Few people can afford the time or money
or have the skill set to build there own house.

Bull****. There's **** all skill involved.

Is this because they can afford not to, or a
reflection of increasing bureaucratic control?

Both I'd have thought.

I don't, particularly after 2008.

And I don't see much bureaucratic control having
much effect on the most basic DIY like painting etc.

friends in rented accomendation have been
told they aren't allowed to paint or decorate
themselevs they have to get someone in to do it.

Sure, but that aint bureaucratic control, that's the landlord.

Its certainly true that more are more likely to have
their windows replaced professionally than doing
that themselves tho.

Well these all those regulations you have to check for,

There are **** all regulations involved with windows.

and even doing DIY windows might be cheaper

No might be about it, of course it is.

but it's not cheap.

Yes, windows cost more than the same area of wall.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Adrian wrote
whisky-dave wrote

Young houueholders a few in number because they can;t afford to become
householders. If you end up renting yuo arent; realyl allowd to do any
major DIY.

Well you could chnage a plug on a lead if they weren't all moulted.

Living up to your name again?

Yeah, clearly blotto most of the time.

Nah it's dsylexia where I'm thinking ahead of
what I'm typing and the odd typo of course.

There is a clear correlation between the time
of day of the worst of your 'typos' and when
you are clearly completely blotto, again.

On Thursday, 23 October 2014 13:03:48 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote


But you should also see more who buy a run down
dump and who can't afford to do anything but DIY
to turn it into something much more decent to live in.

Run down dumps are too expensive to DIY,

Bull****.

Talking out your arse again I see.
If not then find such a property that is run down which an average person could afford. Remmebr we're talking of those below 30 year old.



the trade by them up.

Anyone is free to buy one too.

anyone can buy anything including the mona lisa when it next coems up for sale, was that your point ?


ofm course perhaps yuo can find a run down
dump that's affordable then good luck.

They are sure to be cheaper than the
same place that isnt run down, stupid.

Yes they are stupid, but that doesn;t mean they are affordable for teh majority.



http://www.propertyrenovate.com/
here's a run down property
Price: �649,950
Bedrooms: 3
Area: Chiswick
Type: Terrace

**** all of the run down dumps are priced at anything like that.

So show me them then, there's quite a number in eastern Europe even France, I know as a friend was looking to buy such a property.

Here yuo go
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/det...eSXi0AWR7Vk.97
a nice littel place perhaps you'll install a swimming pool.





Few people can afford the time or money
or have the skill set to build there own house.

Bull****. There's **** all skill involved.

There's quite a bit.....bit of course youre such an idiod you wouldn;t know that.


friends in rented accomendation have been
told they aren't allowed to paint or decorate
themselevs they have to get someone in to do it.

Sure, but that aint bureaucratic control, that's the landlord.
Doesn;t change anything it's in the rental agreement.


Its certainly true that more are more likely to have
their windows replaced professionally than doing
that themselves tho.

Well these all those regulations you have to check for,

There are **** all regulations involved with windows.

you know nothing.