Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I
need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please
do so.

Rick Hughes wrote:
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I
need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please
do so.
I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although the mouse is
quite heavy if you move it around much.

Bill

Rick Hughes :
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I
need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for
reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with
computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category.

--
Mike Barnes

I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the
software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

Brian

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Blind user, so no pictures please!
"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need
to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do
so.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the
software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

Brian

With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse
to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff and hides
this from the TV. I have an old one which has two of the old IBM PS2
(small DIN) connectors connected to a box which does the wireless to the
mouse and keyboard. I can even plug this, via a DIN/USB adaptor, into the
WII or PS3 and they just see a USB keyboard and mouse.

Paul DS.

Paul D Smith wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote:

is it really smart enough [...] to accept a usb wireless dongle?

With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and
mouse to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff
and hides this from the TV.

Besides, a lot of TVs are now Linux boxes in disguise ...

Brian Gaff wrote

I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to
have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

Yes, its not that hard to do given they are mostly linux based.

Rick Hughes wrote

Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise
I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless
keyboard with mouse ... please do so.

I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for
reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with
computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category.

They're often designed specifically to support keyboards so they can they
add a basic (or better) web browser too. As others have indicated, many TVs
are now Linux based so it's easy.

Interestingly, using Linux means that the software, in some form, has to be
made freely available. But I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their
own-brew TV software - no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about
them!

Paul DS

Paul D Smith wrote:

I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their own-brew TV software
- no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about them!

A bit thin on the ground so far ... http://www.samygo.tv

"Paul D Smith" wrote in message
...
I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for
reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with
computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category.

They're often designed specifically to support keyboards so they can they
add a basic (or better) web browser too. As others have indicated, many
TVs are now Linux based so it's easy.

Interestingly, using Linux means that the software, in some form, has to
be made freely available.

No it does not with what they choose to add themselves.

But I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their own-brew TV
software - no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about them!

Paul D Smith wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the
software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

Brian

With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse
to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff and hides
this from the TV. I have an old one which has two of the old IBM PS2
(small DIN) connectors connected to a box which does the wireless to the
mouse and keyboard. I can even plug this, via a DIN/USB adaptor, into the
WII or PS3 and they just see a USB keyboard and mouse.

I use a wireless keyboard with a built-in track-ball, much neater and
easier than a separate mouse IMHO.

--
Chris Green

"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using
remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard
with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back
of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so.


If you Google "Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800" and "keyboard" there are links
to various forms where this or similar questions or have cropped up
before.

According to various posts the following may or may not be true.

1. If this particular model accepts a keyboard it will state as much in
the manual.

2. Wireless USB ports are often installed simply to pick up data streams
for showing on the TV.

3. Some Samsung models may have this feature but not all do.
If there's a higher price point in this range i.e "similar models"
but costing £100 - £200 more that may be such an additional feature.

4. Samsung have produced dedicated keyboards for some models in the past.


michael adams

....

In message , Rick Hughes
writes
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I
need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please
do so.

I've got a Keysonic wireless keyboard with trackpad which I use with a
htpc, this or something very similar:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002WB1JYQ/

Fairly light and compact, 2.4 ghz wireless, so has a better range than
some of the other wireless keyboard (I have a cheaper type that won't
work across the room on the sofa (4-5 m). Though I'd like an
capslock/numlock indicator, as that can get turn on and then you've no
idea until you can't login or you type gibberish


I don't know about compatibility with your TV, but the keyboard works at
the bios level, so it's as much chance as anything else working I guess
--
Chris French

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:40:59 +0100, Paul D Smith wrote:

I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to
have
the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and
mouse to the TV/PC hardware

Assuming the TV hardware knows about USB keyboards and mice... Quite
often those on TV's are just there to stick a USB memory device of
some sort into so that it (might, depends on file formats) be able to
play/display the contents on the screen.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although the mouse is
quite heavy if you move it around much.

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - which wear off quickly. And looks tatty if nothing else. Not
covered by their 5 year 'warranty' as it's 'fair wear and tear'. In other
words the warranty only applies if you don't use the thing...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible.

--
Mike Barnes

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:38:28 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather
than engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at
in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do
for the other half.

Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible.

SWMBO's keyboard is 20 years old, in daily use. But then it's a Model
M...!



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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

I can believe that. My laptop one is engraved, though.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

This Acorn keyboard is as good as the day it was bought getting on for 20
years ago - it's one of the old clunky ones. And being in the workshop,
needs a good scrub quite often. The other one is one of those posh multi
function 'Windows' wireless ones and all the most commonly used keys are
bare. And it doesn't get used with dirty hands.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - which wear off quickly.

My laptop's keyboard has that problem. I make replacement legends with a
Dymo label printer and stick them onto the keys then paint over them with
several coats of nail varnish, to try to stop the edges of the tapes from
lifting. They normally last 12-18 months before needing replaced.

--
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Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to replacing "aaa" by "284".

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Bill Wright wrote

I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although
the mouse is quite heavy if you move it around much.

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather
than engraved - which wear off quickly. And looks tatty if nothing else.

That’s true of almost all modern keyboards.

The backlit keyboards like the Logitech K800
have proper double injection molded keys.

It doesn’t have an embedded mouse/mouse pad/trackball/mouse dick tho.

Not covered by their 5 year 'warranty' as it's 'fair wear and tear'.

That’s not right. Mine was covered and it was MS that tried that stunt.

In other words the warranty only applies if you don't use the thing...

That’s not right either in any country with decent consumer law.

"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
...
Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible.

Can't be that. I have always had one hell of a problem with
the lettering never lasting long on the most frequently used
keys and have never ever used hand cream in my life.

I do agree tho that there is a hell of a lot of variation between
users and that result. Plenty have said their keyboard is fine
with some of the branded keyboards like MS and Logitech
that havent lasted long for me.

I have just changed over to using backlit keyboards like
the Logitech K800 which have proper double injection
moulded keys again and the backlight is a real bonus too.

You can even get backlit wireless keyboards now.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:29:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
d...
Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible.

Can't be that. I have always had one hell of a problem with
the lettering never lasting long on the most frequently used
keys and have never ever used hand cream in my life.

I do agree tho that there is a hell of a lot of variation between
users and that result. Plenty have said their keyboard is fine
with some of the branded keyboards like MS and Logitech
that havent lasted long for me.

I have just changed over to using backlit keyboards like
the Logitech K800 which have proper double injection
moulded keys again and the backlight is a real bonus too.

At £75 I doubt they sell many of those.

You can even get backlit wireless keyboards now.

According to Logitech the K800 is wireless.
--
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(")_(") is he still wrong?

"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:29:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Mike Barnes" wrote in message
id...
Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather
than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.

... which wear off quickly.

That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they
do for the other half.

Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible.

Can't be that. I have always had one hell of a problem with
the lettering never lasting long on the most frequently used
keys and have never ever used hand cream in my life.

I do agree tho that there is a hell of a lot of variation between
users and that result. Plenty have said their keyboard is fine
with some of the branded keyboards like MS and Logitech
that havent lasted long for me.

I have just changed over to using backlit keyboards like
the Logitech K800 which have proper double injection
moulded keys again and the backlight is a real bonus too.

At £75 I doubt they sell many of those.

They do anyway.

You can even get backlit wireless keyboards now.

According to Logitech the K800 is wireless.

Yeah, I know it has, I have one.

En el artículo , Mark
escribió:

According to Logitech the K800 is wireless.

Which goes to show that Woddles doesn't have one as he claims.

Rod Speed FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/883xp7v

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

On 19/06/2012 22:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In whill.co.uk,
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.


I have a Microsoft Ergonomic kybd .. been using daily (home worker) for
at least 3 years ... all keys are still fine ... assume Microsoft have
the printing to a better spec

On 19/06/2012 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the
software included to accept a usb wireless dongle?

Brian


the answer to that is yes ... the kybd and dongle do the hardwork ... so
all that arrives on USB port is the same as if I plugged in a wired USB
kybd.
I tried that and it works fine.

What si quite good is that the TV offers you apps to install (free) and
these are same as the apps of phones ... so BBCiPLayer, youtube plyaer
etc. ... look & works as normal ... just much faster.

On 19/06/2012 11:40, wrote:


I use a wireless keyboard with a built-in track-ball, much neater and
easier than a separate mouse IMHO.




As per my original Post ... care to tell what model .... sounds like
what I need.

"Rick Hughes" wrote in message
...
On 19/06/2012 22:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In whill.co.uk,
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather
than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.


I have a Microsoft Ergonomic kybd .. been using daily (home worker) for
at least 3 years ... all keys are still fine ... assume Microsoft have the
printing to a better spec

I wouldn't assume that. I have found that with the branded and model
specific keyboards that have seen the letters wear off on the most often
used keys, that some do say that their keyboard is fine after years of use,
even tho mine has worn. There does appear to be a significant variation
between users for some reason.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:19:52 +0100, Rick Hughes wrote:

Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.

I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having
struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I
need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse.

Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which
plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports.

If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please
do so.


I got one of these recently. It's pretty good!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Computers-Ac...ywords=Riitek%
20Rii%20Ii%20Touch%20N



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On 22/06/2012 14:11, mick wrote:

I got one of these recently. It's pretty good!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Computers-Ac...ywords=Riitek%
20Rii%20Ii%20Touch%20N





Your link brings up several ... so not sure which you meant.

But I ordered a Rii (Touch N7) mini earlier today ...

On 21/06/2012 16:03, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 19/06/2012 22:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In whill.co.uk,
Dave wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather
than
engraved - ...

Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked
at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers.


I have a Microsoft Ergonomic kybd .. been using daily (home worker) for
at least 3 years ... all keys are still fine ... assume Microsoft have
the printing to a better spec

Left-shift, A, S, D, W, H and O all wore off my Microsoft Digital Media
keyboard within 18 months (I know exactly which, as I still have the
keyboard as a temporary use one for working on other machines without
having to bring all the paraphenalia home with them), but all the other
keys are as new. I don't know why it happened, as myself and my wife
don't play computer games and the kids (young) only play some online
games that mainly use the mouse and space bar.

SteveW

In article ,
SteveW wrote:
Left-shift, A, S, D, W, H and O all wore off my Microsoft Digital Media
keyboard within 18 months (I know exactly which, as I still have the
keyboard as a temporary use one for working on other machines without
having to bring all the paraphenalia home with them), but all the other
keys are as new. I don't know why it happened, as myself and my wife
don't play computer games and the kids (young) only play some online
games that mainly use the mouse and space bar.

I bought white Letraset off Ebay (not quite the right size, but near
enough) and after applying the replacement letters, masked them up and
sprayed with clear lacquer said to be ok on plastics. Seems to be holding
pretty well. Plenty of spare letters to do it several times.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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En el artículo , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk escribió:

Left-shift, A, S, D, W, H and O all wore off my Microsoft Digital Media
keyboard within 18 months

Same keyboard, (almost) same keys:

Gone: A, S, E
Nearly gone: left shift, O, W, N, R

Not a game player either.

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

On 30/06/2012 15:39, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk escribió:

Left-shift, A, S, D, W, H and O all wore off my Microsoft Digital Media
keyboard within 18 months

Same keyboard, (almost) same keys:

Gone: A, S, E
Nearly gone: left shift, O, W, N, R

Not a game player either.

We both must type very similar things repeatedly!

SteveW

En el artículo , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk escribió:

Gone: A, S, E
Nearly gone: left shift, O, W, N, R

Not a game player either.

We both must type very similar things repeatedly!

I deny repeatedly typing "OWN ARSE".

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:40:45 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk escribió:

Gone: A, S, E
Nearly gone: left shift, O, W, N, R

Not a game player either.

We both must type very similar things repeatedly!

I deny repeatedly typing "OWN ARSE".

O sea-worn answer!

--
Rod

On 23/06/2012 12:48, SteveW wrote:
A, S, D, W, H


ASDW are the usual; direction keys in most games ... sounds like someone
is doing heavy gaming.

On 02/07/2012 18:09, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 23/06/2012 12:48, SteveW wrote:
A, S, D, W, H


ASDW are the usual; direction keys in most games ... sounds like someone
is doing heavy gaming.

As I said, neither I nor my wife are gamers, the kids are 8, 6 and 4 and
play games that mainly use the mouse. The PC is in the living room so we
know that gaming isn't the problem.

Additionally we have a second PC that the kids use just as much, with a
cheap, no-name keyboard and that hasn't suffered from any character wear
at all.

SteveW

On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 10:46:02 +0100, polygonum
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:40:45 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , SteveW steve@walker-
family.me.uk escribió:

Gone: A, S, E
Nearly gone: left shift, O, W, N, R

Not a game player either.

We both must type very similar things repeatedly!

I deny repeatedly typing "OWN ARSE".

O sea-worn answer!

Sow near, yet sow far.
Latido.