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Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here.
I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. |
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Rick Hughes wrote:
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although the mouse is quite heavy if you move it around much. Bill |
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Bill Wright wrote: I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although the mouse is quite heavy if you move it around much. Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - which wear off quickly. And looks tatty if nothing else. Not covered by their 5 year 'warranty' as it's 'fair wear and tear'. In other words the warranty only applies if you don't use the thing... -- *It's o.k. to laugh during sexŒ.Œ.just don't point! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. ... which wear off quickly. That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do for the other half. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. ... which wear off quickly. That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do for the other half. Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible. -- Mike Barnes |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:38:28 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:
Dave Liquorice : On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. ... which wear off quickly. That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do for the other half. Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible. SWMBO's keyboard is 20 years old, in daily use. But then it's a Model M...! -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"Mike Barnes" wrote in message ... Dave Liquorice : On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. ... which wear off quickly. That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do for the other half. Ditto. I believe that hand creams can be responsible. Can't be that. I have always had one hell of a problem with the lettering never lasting long on the most frequently used keys and have never ever used hand cream in my life. I do agree tho that there is a hell of a lot of variation between users and that result. Plenty have said their keyboard is fine with some of the branded keyboards like MS and Logitech that havent lasted long for me. I have just changed over to using backlit keyboards like the Logitech K800 which have proper double injection moulded keys again and the backlight is a real bonus too. You can even get backlit wireless keyboards now. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. I can believe that. My laptop one is engraved, though. ... which wear off quickly. That seems to depend on the user. They don't wear off for me but they do for the other half. This Acorn keyboard is as good as the day it was bought getting on for 20 years ago - it's one of the old clunky ones. And being in the workshop, needs a good scrub quite often. The other one is one of those posh multi function 'Windows' wireless ones and all the most commonly used keys are bare. And it doesn't get used with dirty hands. -- *All generalizations are false. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 19/06/2012 22:25, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In whill.co.uk, Dave wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:46:51 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - ... Most keyboards have transfers these days, every single one I looked at in PC World and Maplin a while back were transfers. I have a Microsoft Ergonomic kybd .. been using daily (home worker) for at least 3 years ... all keys are still fine ... assume Microsoft have the printing to a better spec |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - which wear off quickly. My laptop's keyboard has that problem. I make replacement legends with a Dymo label printer and stick them onto the keys then paint over them with several coats of nail varnish, to try to stop the edges of the tapes from lifting. They normally last 12-18 months before needing replaced. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to replacing "aaa" by "284". |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Bill Wright wrote I use a logitech one and it's fine. No problems, although the mouse is quite heavy if you move it around much. Most logitech keyboards seem to have printed on characters - rather than engraved - which wear off quickly. And looks tatty if nothing else. That’s true of almost all modern keyboards. The backlit keyboards like the Logitech K800 have proper double injection molded keys. It doesn’t have an embedded mouse/mouse pad/trackball/mouse dick tho. Not covered by their 5 year 'warranty' as it's 'fair wear and tear'. That’s not right. Mine was covered and it was MS that tried that stunt. In other words the warranty only applies if you don't use the thing... That’s not right either in any country with decent consumer law. |
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I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the
software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? Brian -- -- From the sofa of Brian Gaff - Blind user, so no pictures please! "Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. |
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... I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? Brian With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff and hides this from the TV. I have an old one which has two of the old IBM PS2 (small DIN) connectors connected to a box which does the wireless to the mouse and keyboard. I can even plug this, via a DIN/USB adaptor, into the WII or PS3 and they just see a USB keyboard and mouse. Paul DS. |
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Paul D Smith wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote: is it really smart enough [...] to accept a usb wireless dongle? With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff and hides this from the TV. Besides, a lot of TVs are now Linux boxes in disguise ... |
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Paul D Smith wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message ... I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? Brian With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse to the TV/PC hardware and the dongle does all the wireless stuff and hides this from the TV. I have an old one which has two of the old IBM PS2 (small DIN) connectors connected to a box which does the wireless to the mouse and keyboard. I can even plug this, via a DIN/USB adaptor, into the WII or PS3 and they just see a USB keyboard and mouse. I use a wireless keyboard with a built-in track-ball, much neater and easier than a separate mouse IMHO. -- Chris Green |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 08:40:59 +0100, Paul D Smith wrote:
I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? With the right dongle, yes. They typically look like a keyboard and mouse to the TV/PC hardware Assuming the TV hardware knows about USB keyboards and mice... Quite often those on TV's are just there to stick a USB memory device of some sort into so that it (might, depends on file formats) be able to play/display the contents on the screen. -- Cheers Dave. |
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I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? Yes, its not that hard to do given they are mostly linux based. Rick Hughes wrote Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. |
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On 19/06/2012 08:38, Brian Gaff wrote:
I know its a so called smart tv, but is it really smart enough to have the software included to accept a usb wireless dongle? Brian the answer to that is yes ... the kybd and dongle do the hardwork ... so all that arrives on USB port is the same as if I plugged in a wired USB kybd. I tried that and it works fine. What si quite good is that the TV offers you apps to install (free) and these are same as the apps of phones ... so BBCiPLayer, youtube plyaer etc. ... look & works as normal ... just much faster. |
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Rick Hughes :
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category. -- Mike Barnes |
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I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for
reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category. They're often designed specifically to support keyboards so they can they add a basic (or better) web browser too. As others have indicated, many TVs are now Linux based so it's easy. Interestingly, using Linux means that the software, in some form, has to be made freely available. But I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their own-brew TV software - no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about them! Paul DS |
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Paul D Smith wrote:
I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their own-brew TV software - no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about them! A bit thin on the ground so far ... http://www.samygo.tv |
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"Paul D Smith" wrote in message ... I'd be surprised if it worked. Some USB sockets are provided simply for reading storage media and not for other purposes associated with computers. I'd expect those on a TV to come into that category. They're often designed specifically to support keyboards so they can they add a basic (or better) web browser too. As others have indicated, many TVs are now Linux based so it's easy. Interestingly, using Linux means that the software, in some form, has to be made freely available. No it does not with what they choose to add themselves. But I'm not aware of any "TV hackers" creating their own-brew TV software - no doubt someone will be along soon to tell me about them! |
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"Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. If you Google "Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800" and "keyboard" there are links to various forms where this or similar questions or have cropped up before. According to various posts the following may or may not be true. 1. If this particular model accepts a keyboard it will state as much in the manual. 2. Wireless USB ports are often installed simply to pick up data streams for showing on the TV. 3. Some Samsung models may have this feature but not all do. If there's a higher price point in this range i.e "similar models" but costing £100 - £200 more that may be such an additional feature. 4. Samsung have produced dedicated keyboards for some models in the past. michael adams .... |
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writes Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. I've got a Keysonic wireless keyboard with trackpad which I use with a htpc, this or something very similar: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002WB1JYQ/ Fairly light and compact, 2.4 ghz wireless, so has a better range than some of the other wireless keyboard (I have a cheaper type that won't work across the room on the sofa (4-5 m). Though I'd like an capslock/numlock indicator, as that can get turn on and then you've no idea until you can't login or you type gibberish I don't know about compatibility with your TV, but the keyboard works at the bios level, so it's as much chance as anything else working I guess -- Chris French |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:19:52 +0100, Rick Hughes wrote:
Not very D-I-Y ... but there are some knowledgeable people here. I recently bought a Samsung Smart TV - 46ES6800 ......... having struggled using remote to drive for example Web interface, realise I need to get a wireless keyboard with built in mouse. Will any wireless keyboard work ... assume that you use a dongle which plugs into back of TV, into one of the USB ports. If anybody can recommend a good Wireless keyboard with mouse ... please do so. I got one of these recently. It's pretty good! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Computers-Ac...ywords=Riitek% 20Rii%20Ii%20Touch%20N -- Mick (Working in a M$-free zone!) Web: http://www.nascom.info Filtering everything posted from googlegroups to kill spam. |
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On 22/06/2012 14:11, mick wrote:
I got one of these recently. It's pretty good! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Computers-Ac...ywords=Riitek% 20Rii%20Ii%20Touch%20N Your link brings up several ... so not sure which you meant. But I ordered a Rii (Touch N7) mini earlier today ... |
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