Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think
of Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

It it still free in the library?

--
Adam

On 21/07/2011 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

I have subscribed for some years. It is now getting more glossy and less
factually detailed though. Free trials are usually available.

Useful for stuff like kitchen appliances etc but they do seem to spend
quite a bit of time testing mobiles, cameras etc which are well covered
by specialist magazines and their websites.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:18:57 +0100, Hugh Jampton
wrote:

Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

The reason it's mentioned in another thread is because a key article -
paid for by subscribers - has been put into the public arena. Many,
many years ago I was a subscriber and found most of the contents
useful most of the time. I ended my subscription not because I didn't
want good consumer advice myself or because I objected to it being
made available to all but because it was being splashed across the
media a week or more before my copy of the magazine would arrive in
the post and somehow that didn't seem fair.

Nick

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:18:57 +0100, Hugh Jampton wrote:

Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

I used to. But they have never been good at getting things right, and
their views on what is good and bad are a little bit...weird.
Inaccuracies abound.

Another problem is that by the time they've reviewed something, it's
often been replaced by a new model.

Internet research tends to be more useful (and cheaper) IMO.



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

"Nick Odell" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:18:57 +0100, Hugh Jampton
wrote:

Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

The reason it's mentioned in another thread is because a key article -
paid for by subscribers - has been put into the public arena. Many,
many years ago I was a subscriber and found most of the contents
useful most of the time. I ended my subscription not because I didn't
want good consumer advice myself or because I objected to it being
made available to all but because it was being splashed across the
media a week or more before my copy of the magazine would arrive in
the post and somehow that didn't seem fair.

They did that with a small number of articles to get publicity.
The actual stuff in the articles wasn't worth the paper usually.

Nick

In article ,
Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

Do they still do a free trial period?

In general quite useful for things you just want to work like a hoover or
washing machine. But for hobby type things where you have your own likes -
- cameras, hi-fi, cars etc - you might well disagree with their findings.

Reader's surveys can be useful to get a general view on reliability, etc.

--
*Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

On 7/21/2011 9:54 PM, Invisible Man wrote:
On 21/07/2011 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

I have subscribed for some years. It is now getting more glossy and less
factually detailed though. Free trials are usually available.

Useful for stuff like kitchen appliances etc but they do seem to spend
quite a bit of time testing mobiles, cameras etc which are well covered
by specialist magazines and their websites.

15+ years ago, they had what appeared to be accurate details of the
items they tested. I often disagreed with their 'best buys', but with
the detail they then provided, I could choose based on _my_ priorities.
They seem to give considerably less detail and more opinion these days.
And on some items where I was familiar with the products being tested,
the few details given were not always entirely accurate.

S Viemeister :
On 7/21/2011 9:54 PM, Invisible Man wrote:
On 21/07/2011 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

I have subscribed for some years. It is now getting more glossy and less
factually detailed though. Free trials are usually available.

Useful for stuff like kitchen appliances etc but they do seem to spend
quite a bit of time testing mobiles, cameras etc which are well covered
by specialist magazines and their websites.

15+ years ago, they had what appeared to be accurate details of the
items they tested. I often disagreed with their 'best buys', but with
the detail they then provided, I could choose based on _my_ priorities.

Quite so.

They seem to give considerably less detail and more opinion these
days.
And on some items where I was familiar with the products being tested,
the few details given were not always entirely accurate.

Indeed. They also seem to have abandoned their previous no-nonsense
practical air and bowed to the winds of fashion and rampant consumerism.
Just recently there was an article on (IIRC) matching kettles and
toasters.

--
Mike Barnes

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:

On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star for a
shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he 'thought' that it
was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:

On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing
to Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they
think of Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star
for a shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he
'thought' that it was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil
wearing through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so
what' put me off - still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:
PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:

On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing
to Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they
think of Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star
for a shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he
'thought' that it was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil
wearing through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so
what' put me off - still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

On 22 July, 09:31, Invisible Man wrote:
On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:









PeterC wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:

On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing
to Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they
think of Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star
for a shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he
'thought' that it was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil
wearing through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so
what' put me off - still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

An article I read recently recommended dis-regarding the top and the
bottom reviews in these circumstances. Bit like ignoring the top and
bottom fuel consumption figures given out by manufacturers. (Where I
generally take the average of the best and worst)

Paul Mc Cann

On 22/07/2011 09:31, Invisible Man wrote:
On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:
PeterC wrote:
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

As are the replacement heads when they need replacing.

On Jul 22, 8:28*am, PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:
On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star for a
shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he 'thought' that it
was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philips use a hair lifting mechanism for a closer shave. Its a big
cause of skin problems. Braun syncro seems about the best out there,
thotough cuting but not hard on skin, and dont use any lifting system
- but they're not a cheap option.


NT

Steve wrote:

On 22/07/2011 09:31, Invisible Man wrote:
On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:
PeterC wrote:
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

As are the replacement heads when they need replacing.


Yeah, I thought £15 was too much for a set of cutters.

Then I realised it was £15 each, on a 3-head shaver.

Fortunately a really good dismantle and clean got more life out of them.

Occasionally the supermarkets do Philips shavers at half price.

On Jul 21, 9:18*pm, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

If the article in another thread is typical of their output I wuoldnt
bother. You'd get better info here for free.

The one time I bought an appliance after reading Which was a sharp
carousel microwave. Which were beside themslves with how bad it was,
but for reasons I wont bore you with I got one. It consistently
behaved itself well, it was very reliable and lasted a very long time.
By the time I gave it away it was still going strong after a very long
service life.


NT

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 01:39:40 -0700 (PDT), fred wrote:

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star
for a shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he
'thought' that it was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil
wearing through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so
what' put me off - still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

An article I read recently recommended dis-regarding the top and the
bottom reviews in these circumstances. Bit like ignoring the top and
bottom fuel consumption figures given out by manufacturers. (Where I
generally take the average of the best and worst)

Paul Mc Cann

It is worth ignoring the extremes, except where there is recurring factual
information - if foils wear out and the manufacturer isn't interested, those
are two bits of info. worth knowing.

A friend has had a v. good experience with Philips: a toothbrush that packed
up a year out of warranty and the part sent FOC.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:13:35 -0700 (PDT), NT wrote:

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star for a
shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he 'thought' that it
was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philips use a hair lifting mechanism for a closer shave. Its a big
cause of skin problems. Braun syncro seems about the best out there,
thotough cuting but not hard on skin, and dont use any lifting system
- but they're not a cheap option.

I've a deep-rooted objection to paying a lot for something that is basically
the same across the range. A shaver or hair trimmer should just work and not
cause any problems. Added to this is my attitude that such routines are a
waste of time and effort (apart from just feeling/looking better) because
within a v. short time it's back to square one.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 22/07/2011 11:13, NT wrote:
On Jul 22, 8:28 am, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 23:50:00 +0100, pcb1962 wrote:
On 21/07/11 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

I took it for a year. I found that their criteria for judging stuff
didn't coincide with mine - a lot of concern about how easy the knobs
were for old people and stuff like that. Nowadays I only buy Miele
appliances, and I find Amazon reviews far more useful than Which for
judging what's good and what's junk.

Amazon and Argos - Reviews - sort Low to High - ignore idiots (1 star for a
shaver because it had to be plugged in to use it and he 'thought' that it
was rechargeable!) - pick out the factual faults.
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philips use a hair lifting mechanism for a closer shave. Its a big
cause of skin problems. Braun syncro seems about the best out there,
thotough cuting but not hard on skin, and dont use any lifting system
- but they're not a cheap option.


NT

My skin reacts to so much that I have to dry shave. Never had any
problems with my Philishave though.
Interested about the hair lifting. Perhaps that is why with the latest
one I can get away with being too lazy to shave occasionally without it
taking forever to finally shave and suffering from loads of ingrowing
hairs. Horses for courses etc.

In article
,
NT wrote:
The one time I bought an appliance after reading Which was a sharp
carousel microwave. Which were beside themslves with how bad it was,
but for reasons I wont bore you with I got one. It consistently
behaved itself well, it was very reliable and lasted a very long time.
By the time I gave it away it was still going strong after a very long
service life.

One swallow doesn't a summer make. And how did you compare its performance
to others? I'd expect anything like this to work. But that doesn't mean it
was the 'best buy'.

--
*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
PeterC wrote:
Philips use a hair lifting mechanism for a closer shave. Its a big
cause of skin problems. Braun syncro seems about the best out there,
thotough cuting but not hard on skin, and dont use any lifting system
- but they're not a cheap option.

I've a deep-rooted objection to paying a lot for something that is
basically the same across the range. A shaver or hair trimmer should
just work and not cause any problems. Added to this is my attitude that
such routines are a waste of time and effort (apart from just
feeling/looking better) because within a v. short time it's back to
square one.

I've found with electric razors it depends on the individual which type
works best. Not all hair and skin is the same.

--
*I wish the buck stopped here. I could use a few.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Jul 22, 12:56*pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article
,
* *NT wrote:

The one time I bought an appliance after reading Which was a sharp
carousel microwave. Which were beside themslves with how bad it was,
but for reasons I wont bore you with I got one. It consistently
behaved itself well, it was very reliable and lasted a very long time.
By the time I gave it away it was still going strong after a very long
service life.

One swallow doesn't a summer make.

The sample of one showed their claims about terrible cooking
performance were simply unfounded.

And how did you compare its performance
to others?

I've used numerous microwaves. Which really slated the carousel for
its cooking performance, but IME they were simply wrong. There have
been models with the problem which claimed, but not any of the
carousels.


NT

I'd expect anything like this to work. But that doesn't mean it
was the 'best buy'.

PeterC :
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(

I recommend a beard.

--
Mike Barnes

In article ,
Hugh Jampton writes:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

My parents have subscribed pretty much since it started.
I would say 30+ years ago, it was good. I also enjoyed
reading the pair of legal cases on the back cover (which
I don't recall seeing more recently).

However, nowadays, on the rare occations I pick it up and
have a read relating to some topic I actually know about,
I find it very poor - often missing out the issues that
really matter. I can't tell if this is because over the
years I have become more expert on various issues or if
the quality of it has dropped - probably a bit of both.
However, I wouldn't pay for it, and I rarely find it worth
reading even though I have free access to my parents'
copies.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 21/07/2011 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

Agreeing with most of the opinions expressed elsewhere on this thread.

I use it to gte an idea of what's available on the market, what to look
for, then go and do my own research and decisions.

I'm getting a little bit peeved with the way they churn articles. You
don't need articles on washing machines twice a year...

OTOH, which-local.co.uk _is_ useful: I have had good experiences with
using the information (and in fact only yesterday was paying a telephone
engineer that I found via Which Local to do some rewiring who could not
have been more helpful).

Allan

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:58:17 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
PeterC wrote:
Philips use a hair lifting mechanism for a closer shave. Its a big
cause of skin problems. Braun syncro seems about the best out there,
thotough cuting but not hard on skin, and dont use any lifting system
- but they're not a cheap option.

I've a deep-rooted objection to paying a lot for something that is
basically the same across the range. A shaver or hair trimmer should
just work and not cause any problems. Added to this is my attitude that
such routines are a waste of time and effort (apart from just
feeling/looking better) because within a v. short time it's back to
square one.

I've found with electric razors it depends on the individual which type
works best. Not all hair and skin is the same.

My hair and skin certainly aren't.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 22/07/2011 15:54, Allan wrote:
On 21/07/2011 21:18, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Which is mentioned in another thread. I'm contemplating subscribing to
Which and wondered if anyone is/was subscribed and what do they think of
Which ?

Good - Bad ? Worth the fee ?

TIA.

Agreeing with most of the opinions expressed elsewhere on this thread.

I use it to gte an idea of what's available on the market, what to look
for, then go and do my own research and decisions.

I'm getting a little bit peeved with the way they churn articles. You
don't need articles on washing machines twice a year...

OTOH, which-local.co.uk _is_ useful: I have had good experiences with
using the information (and in fact only yesterday was paying a telephone
engineer that I found via Which Local to do some rewiring who could not
have been more helpful).

Allan


Problem with Which Local is that there is no facility to do anything but
recommend someone. Which will not allow negative reviews. So someone can
get their mate to highly recommend them and nobody can say they were
completely useless. This has been aired in Which forums but they are
scared of being sued and don't see a problem.

I think Which have now completely lost the plot. Glossy magazine with
heaps of pictures and wasted paper. Very short on real detail. If your
priorities are different from theirs it is very difficult to usefully
use the reviews.

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:47:45 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

PeterC :
I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil wearing
through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so what' put me off
- still don't knw what to get :-(

I recommend a beard.

Tried that - a bit irregular with noticeable gaps. Nice in the Winter on a
motorbike though.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:21:13 +0000, Scion wrote:

Steve wrote:

On 22/07/2011 09:31, Invisible Man wrote:
On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:
PeterC wrote:
- still don't knw what to get :-(

Philishave.

The top of the range Philishaves are good but expensive

As are the replacement heads when they need replacing.


Yeah, I thought £15 was too much for a set of cutters.

Then I realised it was £15 each, on a 3-head shaver.

Fortunately a really good dismantle and clean got more life out of them.

Occasionally the supermarkets do Philips shavers at half price.

I dismantle and clean once a week; lubracate every month (as per the
manual). I recently bought a set of cutter sharpeners (forget where I saw
them mentioned, might have been here). Tried them out a couple of says
ago and there is a very noticeable difference. About 13 quid I think,
including postage.

--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

Thanks for all the replies folks - much appreciated.

Well it looks like Which is perhaps not quite as good as I thought :-( Will
go on thinking about it and *perhaps* go for the 1 month trial for £1 and
see what I think.

Thanks again.
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

On 22/07/2011 20:17, Hugh Jampton wrote:
Thanks for all the replies folks - much appreciated.

Well it looks like Which is perhaps not quite as good as I thought :-( Will
go on thinking about it and *perhaps* go for the 1 month trial for £1 and
see what I think.

Thanks again.

I look the occasional things up I need in the local library. Cheating,
I know, but...

Andy
Happy Philishave user. (Wife doesn't like beards!)

On 22/07/2011 08:40, Scion wrote:

I was looking at a Remington shaver. Several instances of the foil
wearing through in under a year and Remington's attitude being 'so
what' put me off - still don't knw what to get:-(

Philishave.

Or grow a beard. Mind you I do have a Philishave beard trimmer.

FWIW my last shaver was a Braun but that was last used so long ago I
can't remember how good it was.

--
Roger Chapman

In article ,
Hugh Jampton wrote:
Thanks for all the replies folks - much appreciated.

Well it looks like Which is perhaps not quite as good as I thought :-(
Will go on thinking about it and *perhaps* go for the 1 month trial for
£1 and see what I think.

Thanks again.

That would be the best way and make up your own mind. For some reason
Which produces irrational reactions from some. Far more so than other mags
which review stuff.
Of course it's not perfect, but I've yet to buy anything they've
recommended and been disappointed with it.

I no longer subscribe due to the cost. And not needing to buy new consumer
goods that often these days.

--
*Tell me to 'stuff it' - I'm a taxidermist.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote

For some reason
Which produces irrational reactions from some.

The overall view in this thread seems to suggest that Which? lost its
way many years ago.

They used to have major problems identifying "identical" goods from the
same factory but with different badges/branding. These days I suspect
that that may have even more of a problem where some items may have a
dozen or more badges depending on which outlet is selling the equipment.

At one time the reviews by Which? may have been one of the few sources
of independent information but these days you can probably find a better
spread of real customer reviews from well known web sites.


--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

In article ,
Alan wrote:
For some reason
Which produces irrational reactions from some.

The overall view in this thread seems to suggest that Which? lost its
way many years ago.

I'd agree with that. However, the explanation is they need additional
income to that from subscription.

They used to have major problems identifying "identical" goods from the
same factory but with different badges/branding. These days I suspect
that that may have even more of a problem where some items may have a
dozen or more badges depending on which outlet is selling the equipment.

There's certainly one instance of this quoted frequently in the newsgroups
whenever Which comes up. ;-)

At one time the reviews by Which? may have been one of the few sources
of independent information but these days you can probably find a better
spread of real customer reviews from well known web sites.

I'm rather suspicious of seller's websites with reviews, since these
reviews are always anonymous. Just check out any site selling snake oil to
see what I mean.

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In article ,
Huge wrote:
I stopped reading Which? when they reported that the Mini Metro (shows
how long ago this was) had a "weak gearbox" because they engaged first
at maximum revs without using the clutch. Unsurpisingly, it broke. My
thought at the time and until this day was that they were utter phags.

Are you sure it was without using the clutch? Why would anyone try this?
Even the strongest box ever made would refuse to engage the gear if
attempting the same thing. Changing up is different.

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Huge wrote:
On 2011-07-23, Alan wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote

For some reason
Which produces irrational reactions from some.

The overall view in this thread seems to suggest that Which? lost its
way many years ago.

I stopped reading Which? when they reported that the Mini Metro
(shows how long ago this was) had a "weak gearbox" because they
engaged first at maximum
revs without using the clutch. Unsurpisingly, it broke. My thought at
the
time and until this day was that they were utter phags.

The rest of the Mini Metro was also **** so why pick on the gearbox.

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In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2011-07-23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
I stopped reading Which? when they reported that the Mini Metro (shows
how long ago this was) had a "weak gearbox" because they engaged first
at maximum revs without using the clutch. Unsurpisingly, it broke. My
thought at the time and until this day was that they were utter phags.

Are you sure it was without using the clutch?

So far as I remember.

Why would anyone try this?

Because they're morons?

Yet another irrational dislike of Which. Did you actually read the full
article - or are just reporting what you read elsewhere?

Even the strongest box ever made would refuse to engage the gear if
attempting the same thing.

No synchro on first in a Metro. It *will* go in if you push hard enough.

When attempting to change down into it at maximum speed in that gear? I
doubt that - unless you balance the revs carefully. In which case no
damage will occur. Very powerful synchromesh might just baulk it from
doing so if the clutch isn't used.

However, Which had a valid point. Most cars by this time has all
synchromesh boxes. Including most other BL products. For many many years.
And it's not unknown for a driver to try and select the wrong gear.

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