Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

"Usenet Nutter" wrote in message
...
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

And you shouldn't do specialist tiling either. What the hell is "specialist
tiling"?

(I think she made a reasonable point about the leccy though, given the
likely audience)

tim

Usenet Nutter wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

Given the number of people working in the BBC on various house renovation
and cowboy builder programs one wonders why a sofa designer was considered
an expert on the topic.

--
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived. -- Isaac Asimov

On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job. Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

d-i-y is best

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Usenet Nutter
saying something like:

Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

"TV Presenter in Talks ******** Shock!"

She is a brainless tart, so what do you expect?

In article ,
Matty F writes:
On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job. Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

There's one called "Rogue Traders" here.
They filmed a plumber taking **** in a header tank,
and another one taking a **** in the bathroom basin,
even though it was only about 2 feet from a perfectly
working toilet.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:37:24 -0700 (PDT), Matty F
wrote:

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job. Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

That would be "House of Horrors" here in the UK.
Quite good when they spot the cameras & suddenly do a good job.

"Matty F" wrote in message
...
On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job.

Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

And this is actually broadcast on TV? With permission of the workman or not?

Some may have a harmless penchant for this sort of thing and perhaps they
should be confronted privately, but broadcasting it to friends and family
and possible customers seems unbelievably cruel.

Perhaps if a good standard of work is desired, tell the workmen in advance
about the covert cameras connected to national TV, that might work quite
well.

Otherwise one is tempted to think the TV station is just after some
sensational footage, never mind leaving some poor guy's life in tatters, or
worse.

--
Bart

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Matty F writes:

Many professionals do not do a good job. Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

There's one called "Rogue Traders" here.
They filmed a plumber taking **** in a header tank,
and another one taking a **** in the bathroom basin,
even though it was only about 2 feet from a perfectly
working toilet.


But the BBC film those programmes for entertainment*, and the same
rogues are found still operating (often later on the same programme)
while trading standards and the courts do little to stop them. It kills
public interest in hiring good professionals and things requiring safety
work in the home get left undone, or left for resolution in the hands of
the even more inexperienced.

* - To be honest, Rogue Traders and Watchdog is more daily maul
voyeurism than public information these days. Some of their 'articles'
would make better viewing shown _after_ the process of law has happened
and rogues have been seen to. Not just left as "oh dear, this has
happened, how horrible (what a silly old fool of a customer)" :-(

--
Adrian C

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:03:00 +0100, Usenet Nutter wrote:

Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

Yebbut.....

Some of the questions I've seen in uk.d-i-y over the yaers have shown very
clearly that the poster hasn't got a clue what he (or she) is taking about.
In those circumstances they *shouldn't* be tackling that sort of work.

OTOH, why get so uptight about such comments? Will it stop *you* (or any of
the other seasoned DIYers) from going ahead? There's no need to answer the
question - I know the answer.


--
The Wanderer

Wine Improves with age. The older I get the better it tastes!

"The Wanderer" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:03:00 +0100, Usenet Nutter wrote:

Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

Yebbut.....

Some of the questions I've seen in uk.d-i-y over the yaers have shown very
clearly that the poster hasn't got a clue what he (or she) is taking
about.
In those circumstances they *shouldn't* be tackling that sort of work.

OTOH, why get so uptight about such comments? Will it stop *you* (or any
of
the other seasoned DIYers) from going ahead? There's no need to answer the
question - I know the answer.


--
The Wanderer

Wine Improves with age. The older I get the better it tastes!

It's not a case for getting a so called "professional" but getting a
properly qualified one. Bodged work leads to higher charges later for
repair.

Now "By law, only registered engineers should carry out gas work in people's
properties.

This register is overseen by the Gas Safe Register, a safety body that
replaced Corgi in April 2009"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8259385.stm

New laws on electrical work were brought in in 2005 I think. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4048371.stm
i.e. "DIY-ers are to be hit by new laws set to come into force in January to
combat unsafe electrical work. From next year "significant" electrical work
will have to be carried out by a qualified and registered electrician, the
government has confirmed. If householders decide to do the work themselves,
it will have to be checked by local authority building inspectors. "

Linda Barker may have been advertising NICEIC Group? "the electrical
contracting industry's independent voluntary body for electrical
installation matters throughout the UK."
Not ******** by a long way.

I have a friend who, with her two children, ended up in hospital when her
husband "mended" her boiler. Carbon monoxide poisoning.

M.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:


She is a brainless tart, so what do you expect?

Just my type... I love Linda Barker and her Leeds accent!
A

I'm surprised the number of people that are actually *scared* of
electricity/plumbing/diy to the point that their emotional reaction
prevents them from being rational about what is safe and what isn't.

This sort of TV item promotes that fearfulness and cluelessness.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:15:55 GMT, Skeats wrote:

"The Wanderer" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:03:00 +0100, Usenet Nutter wrote:

Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

Yebbut.....

Some of the questions I've seen in uk.d-i-y over the yaers have shown very
clearly that the poster hasn't got a clue what he (or she) is taking
about.
In those circumstances they *shouldn't* be tackling that sort of work.

OTOH, why get so uptight about such comments? Will it stop *you* (or any
of
the other seasoned DIYers) from going ahead? There's no need to answer the
question - I know the answer.

It's not a case for getting a so called "professional" but getting a
properly qualified one. Bodged work leads to higher charges later for
repair.

Now "By law, only registered engineers should carry out gas work in people's
properties.

Why do people comment on the question they thought should have been asked
rather than reply to what has been said?

--
The Wanderer

It pays to buy things you dislike. They last much longer.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...

She is a brainless tart,

How do you know? Have you met her?

Ian

In article ,
"Skeats" writes:

It's not a case for getting a so called "professional" but getting a
properly qualified one. Bodged work leads to higher charges later for
repair.

Now "By law, only registered engineers should carry out gas work in people's
properties.

This register is overseen by the Gas Safe Register, a safety body that
replaced Corgi in April 2009"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8259385.stm

If you go and read the Gas Safety Regs yourself, you would
know that what the BBC wrote there is incorrect.

Actually, I don't mind people who haven't read the regs being
under the impression they aren't allowed to do gas work, as
if you don't know the gas regs, then you aren't "competent"
to do the work, and the regs require you to be "competent".
Someone who's being paid to do the work has to be on the
Gas Safe Register, but if you are doing your own, you need
to be "competent".

New laws on electrical work were brought in in 2005 I think. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4048371.stm
i.e. "DIY-ers are to be hit by new laws set to come into force in January to
combat unsafe electrical work. From next year "significant" electrical work
will have to be carried out by a qualified and registered electrician, the
government has confirmed. If householders decide to do the work themselves,
it will have to be checked by local authority building inspectors. "

Compliance is apparently less than 1%, with many local authorities
never having had any requests for checks, and some others refusing
to undertake them. The majority of home wiring other than initial
installation is (and has always been) DIY in the UK, and the majority
of that is fine. It has been pointed out many times that there are
nowhere near enough electricians or LA BCO's to undertake that
electrical work/inspection. Installations which are found to be in
a dangerous state are mainly down to those which haven't been touched
when they should have been and are thus old and/or inadequate.

Linda Barker may have been advertising NICEIC Group? "the electrical
contracting industry's independent voluntary body for electrical
installation matters throughout the UK."
Not ******** by a long way.

I have a friend who, with her two children, ended up in hospital when her
husband "mended" her boiler. Carbon monoxide poisoning.

And he was breaking the law, because he wasn't competent do to
the work (which is what the law requires). That is unusual though.
Most bad incidents are caused by unregistered cowboys, followed by
registered fitters who got it wrong, followed by other professional
builders whose work made an existing appliance unsafe. DIY gas
incidents are pretty unheard of, which was partly why the HSE didn't
ban them when gas safety regs were rewritten, even though the trade
body wanted them to do so (for their obvious gain, of course).

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:59:15 GMT, "bartc" wrote:


"Matty F" wrote in message
...
On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job.

Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

And this is actually broadcast on TV? With permission of the workman or not?

Some may have a harmless penchant for this sort of thing

Pinching money ?

and perhaps they
should be confronted privately, but broadcasting it to friends and family
and possible customers seems unbelievably cruel.

Yeah, bring it on.


Perhaps if a good standard of work is desired, tell the workmen in advance
about the covert cameras connected to national TV, that might work quite
well.

What are the circumstances when a good standard of work (That you will
be paying for) is not required and you are happy that the workmen
frisk your drawers looking for your wife's / daughter's panties ?


Otherwise one is tempted to think the TV station is just after some
sensational footage, never mind leaving some poor guy's life in tatters, or
worse.

Are you for real ?

Whatever you're wearing out your keyboard with that one as far as I'm
concerned, some stinking rotten lazy idle theiving ****bag of a
builder pinched my violin.

Derek

On 24 sep, 16:38, Derek Geldard wrote:

Whatever you're wearing out *your keyboard with that one as far as I'm
concerned, some stinking rotten lazy idle theiving ****bag of a
builder pinched my violin.

Ah, so he was on the fiddle then?
Cheers
Jeff

Linda Barker may have been advertising NICEIC Group? "the electrical
contracting industry's independent voluntary body for electrical
installation matters throughout the UK."
Not ******** by a long way.

I had one of those contractors on a job recently. Drilled through his
own cable, forgot to earth the plumbing, and never did supply the
certificate. Didn't get paid the final instalment either.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:15:55 GMT, "Skeats"
wrote:


I have a friend who, with her two children, ended up in hospital when her
husband "mended" her boiler.

Whatever did he do ?

Carbon monoxide poisoning.


Not at all easy with a modern room sealed boiler.

FSVO "Modern", our new house bought in 1976 had one and it has been
replaced 3 times since then.

Derek

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Actually, I don't mind people who haven't read the regs being
under the impression they aren't allowed to do gas work, as
if you don't know the gas regs, then you aren't "competent"

Sounds like a variation of Catch 22.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Ian F."
saying something like:

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
.. .

She is a brainless tart,

How do you know? Have you met her?

I can tell you're a pedantic ******. How's that?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Derek Geldard
saying something like:

Whatever you're wearing out your keyboard with that one as far as I'm
concerned, some stinking rotten lazy idle theiving ****bag of a
builder pinched my violin.

Oh dear; how could he sink cello?

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:37:24 +0100, Matty F wrote:

On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job. Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

d-i-y is best

There's actually a show on the BBC at the moment called Cowboy Traders
although I don't know if they feature any panty sniffers on it.

Fred X

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

I can tell you're a pedantic ******. How's that?

*smile*

Ian

"Fred X" wrote in message
news
There's actually a show on the BBC at the moment called Cowboy Traders

I think it's where people buy old photographs of Roy Rogers, The Lone Ranger
and so on, and then auction them for charity.

Ian

On 24 Sep, 13:03, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her. *

She of all people (or was it Carol Smiley) should warn people not to
try difficult tasks like putting up a shelf after one of those telly
programmes wrecked someone's collection of much loved teapots when the
whole lot came crashing down.

Owain

On 24 Sep, 13:17, "tim....." wrote:
(I think she made a reasonable point about the leccy though, given the
likely audience)

And given the person speaking.

Owain

On 24 Sep, 13:29, Nomen Publicus wrote:
Given the number of people working in the BBC on various house renovation
and cowboy builder programs one wonders why a sofa designer was considered
an expert on the topic.

I don't think she actually designs the 'serfas', but I still wouldn't
have one in my 'herm'.

Owain

On 24 Sep, 16:38, Derek Geldard wrote:
What are the circumstances when a good standard of work (That you will
be paying for) is not required and you are happy that the workmen
frisk your drawers looking for your wife's / daughter's panties ?

Or you want a discount if you let the chap in the wife's
unmentionables.

Owain

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:07:35 -0700, RubberBiker wrote:

I'm surprised the number of people that are actually *scared* of
electricity/plumbing/diy to the point that their emotional reaction
prevents them from being rational about what is safe and what isn't.

This sort of TV item promotes that fearfulness and cluelessness.

Absolutely!

We are very rapidly approaching the slippery slope where people just will
not even be able to think for themselves. I recently had to put a plug on
an appliance for someone who did not know how. Amazingly, he told me that
it was covered in some lesson, "module"? he did at school but he had
forgotten it as it was not part of getting an exam result.

The fact that the BBC propagates this sort of rubbish on behalf of this
overbearing government, is proof enough to me that things are going to
get worse, a lot worse.

Nice weather today!

Steve

RubberBiker wrote:
I'm surprised the number of people that are actually *scared* of
electricity/plumbing/diy to the point that their emotional reaction
prevents them from being rational about what is safe and what isn't.

This sort of TV item promotes that fearfulness and cluelessness.

Indeed, although some wear that as a badge of pride!

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Cheers,

John.

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Owain wrote:
On 24 Sep, 13:03, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

She of all people (or was it Carol Smiley) should warn people not to
try difficult tasks like putting up a shelf after one of those telly
programmes wrecked someone's collection of much loved teapots when the
whole lot came crashing down.

Twas Carol IIRC. Some set of shelved suspended (briefly!) from wires.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...

Twas Carol IIRC. Some set of shelved suspended (briefly!) from wires.

I've got some shelving suspended from wires - taking really quite a heavy
load of books. OTOH I've also got a clue, and chose the wires and fixings
appropriately :-)

Key is not Pro or DIY, but competent.
For example Linda Barker's wallpaper often has incompetently made
edging making it impossible to hang without gaps.

So not all Pro's or DIYer's are competent.
In the words of Dirty Harry, a (wo)man has got to know their
limitations.


ELEC - Statuatory Instrument (SI) 2006 replaced 2004

That defines notifiable and NON-notifiable work.
- DIY can quite happily a) do non-notifable work AND b) do notifiable
work with inspection.
- DIY must do work to BS7671 (or named standard), whether they notify
or not

Pro's of course can
- 1) not do it to any standard it merely has to be safe in their view
- 2) have a registered company but unqualified, incompetent staff with
just a QA spark who turns up to eyeball & collect the money
- 3) have 5-day trained Domestic Installers rather than proper C&G
2382 and preferably (but not necessarily) 2392

A Pro is no-longer a Pro when he bawls over a neighbour's fence or
wholesaler that the law is SI2004, he becomes a cowboy with spurs -
and needs the fuse removing rapidly.


GAS - Gas work that is remunerated is illegal unless registered

DIY should do no work whatsoever unless competent for the EXTENT of
that work AND that includes right materials, right method, right
inspection and testing (combustion analyser for boilers) AND as much,
knowing what they don't know.

DIY conversely can just go and buy Viper, Tolleys and then a) define
what they know and b) what skills are sufficient. That may limit them
to turning on a gas appliance as a consumer. It might limit them to
capping an appliance off.

Pro should do not work whatsoever unless competent for the EXTENT of
that work - because Gas Safe has specific qualifications for each task
and is specific to the actual individual rather than the company.

Pro's of course can...
- 1) fail to sleeve thro the wall
- 2) fail to ensure any of 11 outside end-feed fittings had a
continuous bead of solder with leaks were detectable from 9 (leaking
for 8yrs by that point)
- 3) push 8mm pipe into a 15mm elbow and "fill-in" with solder
- 4) fail to sleeve thro the wall again
- 5) fail to fit a gas tap to allow appliance isolation
- 6) fail to locate the appliance at a height which permits a gas tap
- 7) deliberately not fit a gas tap so inspection leaks can be blamed
on appliance vs pipe
- 8) locate an appliance contrary to manufacturers instructions
- 9) physically fix the appliance with screws much deeper than the
browning so it is effectively supported by the flu tabs & pipe

This is the old British Gas where "everyone trusted and nobody
looked". Thankfully Transco ACS do in fact look and as he put it
"spends all my day wiping the arse of previous gas fitters who
shouldn't have been let loose with Lego".


Both DIY & Pro can do poor work.
The worst mentality is when a nation hands over responsibility to
essentially self-policing bodies because Pro's very rapidly become
cowboys because they can assume all work and dis-assume responsibility
as Corgi so demonstrated. Ireland has no Corgi/Gas Safe yet has no
statistically significant different in incidents (indeed over a 10yr
period I recall it was less, but that may be due to other factors
rather than DIY being particularly better or Pro's more competent).
Too many gas people ended up with poor practical skills & good
multiple choice skills. Standard of soldering should be job #1 yet is
often really pretty shabby as well as the understand of *why*
something is done like it is, *why* it matters and the *science*
behind it. Same goes for 5-day DI, who simply do not know enough yet
stand bawling at C&G qualified people "they are wrong" only to have a
Hilmor shoved up their ass. Following a manual is not enough, hence
DIY gas work even with the right manuals will always be virtually non-
existent (and is, most common from HSE is "capping a pipe". Most
common error of old BG is "no compression fittings are allowed
inside" (even if accessible), which is useful because it got a meter
moved outside for free in those days.


What surprises is the no-one has mentioned the obvious - the BBC has
no interest in DIY shows, only "Cowboy & DIY-SOS". Much DIY work is of
a far higher standard than Pro, but some is atrocious.

If someone is not competent for the extent of the work, then obviously
get someone in. Now, who wants to consider kitchen fitters and what
they do a) themselves b) to elec & gas after the others have left the
room... because that... truly... can be horrific.

NuLabour recreated the ministry of silly walk men-in-brown-overalls,
one to hold a screwdriver, one to write a HIPS, one to do an
efficiency assessment with moronic software & moronic lack of
understanding, one for window tax making it uneconomic to use
maintainable DIY-built wood windows at the expensive of vast
quantities of DG landfill which will merely increase with future
secondary glazing requirements (gap) and sustainable construction
(wood, acacia, gov't monitoring cameras).

Hopefully the next bunch remove the ball-&-chain with a flag painted
on it so as to prevent it being questioned by peer pressure. BR should
hopefully be reduced to a set of end-results, since the present lot is
merely creating a lot of opportunity for rushed-to-market rubbish
products.

"Derek Geldard" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:59:15 GMT, "bartc" wrote:


"Matty F" wrote in message
...
On Sep 25, 12:03 am, Usenet Nutter
wrote:
Talking ******** by telling people to stay away from Electrical work
or Plumbing work and get a pro in to do it . No ifs or buts ..Just do
not do it and of course,nobody there to contradict her.

A "pro" may not do a good job.
In New Zealand we have a TV programme called Target where
professionals are asked to do all kinds of jobs while the owner is
away. There are hidden cameras.
Many professionals do not do a good job.

Some wander around the house
& check the panty drawers etc. Some pinch money.

And this is actually broadcast on TV? With permission of the workman or
not?

Whatever you're wearing out your keyboard with that one as far as I'm
concerned, some stinking rotten lazy idle theiving ****bag of a
builder pinched my violin.

You of course have never done anything wrong, embarrassing or inappropriate,
but I doubt whether the best course of action when caught out is to be shown
on national TV as 'entertainment' rather than be dealt with privately or
involving the law.

People are capable of moving on but being in TV or youtube archives for
evermore makes that more difficult.

Apologies for the (obvious) typos :-)

snip lots of good stuff

Hopefully the next bunch remove the ball-&-chain with a flag painted
on it so as to prevent it being questioned by peer pressure. BR should
hopefully be reduced to a set of end-results, since the present lot is
merely creating a lot of opportunity for rushed-to-market rubbish
products.

Sadly I very much doubt it. While some of them at least understand the
costs and benefits of regulation, the political reality is that little
would be heard from those (such as you) who would benefit from
deregulation and a lot would be heard from those with a vested interest
in screaming "danger! danger!". Add in the flak which would come
when[1] someone died as a result of a DIY'd job - with the Minister who
introduced the new legislation pressed to resign - and it just doesn't
look to me to be a proposition any Minister could buy.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see any way out of the mess unless and
until we get an electorate which is better educated on such matters.
(So it looks to me a close call whether we'll get there before the sun
goes red giant.)

[1] I say "when" not "if" because there's bound to be one sooner or
later - just as there are people who die as a result of a bad
paid/licensed job.
--
R

bartc wrote:

You of course have never done anything wrong, embarrassing or
inappropriate, but I doubt whether the best course of action when
caught out is to be shown on national TV as 'entertainment' rather
than be dealt with privately or involving the law.

People are capable of moving on but being in TV or youtube archives
for evermore makes that more difficult.

Tough ****. If you haven't done anything wrong, then there's nowt to worry
about.

We've all done something wrong and embarrassing, but going into someone's
home and doing it is an entirely new league.

The trouble with (most) tradesmen these days is they have no respect. For
the customers home, or for themselves. They'd much rather sit in the van in
a car park and drink tea whilst "getting some parts", or get off home early
and bodge the work. This is the sole reason why I do as much work in my home
as is possible.

Steve
wibbled on Thursday 24 September 2009 17:51

We are very rapidly approaching the slippery slope where people just will
not even be able to think for themselves.

Rapidly approaching?...

I recently had to put a plug on
an appliance for someone who did not know how. Amazingly, he told me that
it was covered in some lesson, "module"? he did at school but he had
forgotten it as it was not part of getting an exam result.



The fact that the BBC propagates this sort of rubbish on behalf of this
overbearing government, is proof enough to me that things are going to
get worse, a lot worse.

At least a few here will be ready to front the revolution due to still
having intact braincells. Count me in when it happens - till then I'll be
down the pub...

--
Tim Watts

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