"John Rumm" wrote in message

he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.

A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".


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In article ,
"William Noble" wrote:

doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
something better with which to occupy your synapses?
"

You have True Believer against True Believer. This may take
awhile to sort out.

In article ,
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

F. George McDuffee wrote:

| Over time, we grew our own, until we are again overrun.

Perhaps we can learn from our mistakes. Next time we might consider
drinking the tea and throwing the _politicians_ into the harbor. :-)

Which of course brings up the immortal words of Claire Wolfe:
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

on 9/13/2007 8:36 AM Kurt Ullman said the following:
In article ,
"Morris Dovey" wrote:


F. George McDuffee wrote:

| Over time, we grew our own, until we are again overrun.

Perhaps we can learn from our mistakes. Next time we might consider
drinking the tea and throwing the _politicians_ into the harbor. :-)


Which of course brings up the immortal words of Claire Wolfe:
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe


To quote Robin William's character, Presidential candidate Tom Dobbs, in
"Man of the Year".
"Politicians are a lot like diapers. They should be changed frequently,
and for the same reasons."

UK - diapers = nappies

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

willshak wrote:
on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B said the following:
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"willshak" wrote in message
My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.

Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
easy to style in the morning.

G'day Ed,
I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut
In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.

Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.

Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.

Back in the 50's there was a
singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
know if that was by the Crew Cuts

"Sh-Boom"

--
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you should stop exhaling.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:15:14 UTC, "Swingman" wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message

he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.

A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".

And in the reverse sense (UK to US): "I'm dying for a fag"

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http://www.diybanter.com

Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is
generating more interest then anything else going on in this newsgroup right
now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't like it? Then exercise your
own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this thread.


William Noble wrote:

doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT
subject degenerates into a pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have
something better with which to occupy your synapses?
"

True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms
in the Second Amendment is an individual right, not a right belonging to a
"well regulated militia" or to members of a militia.

J. Clarke wrote:

It's not the man in the street that starts wars, it's the government.


Saddam Hussein was sitting in his office wondering who to invade next when his
telephone rang.

"Hallo! Mr. Hussein," a heavily accented voice said. "This is Paddy down in
County Cavan, Ireland. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially
declaring war on you."

"Well, Paddy," Saddam replied, "This is indeed important news. Tell me, how big
is your army?"

"At this moment in time," said Paddy after a moment's calculation, "there is
meself, my cousin Sean, my next door neighbour Gerry, and the entire dominoes
team from the pub -- that makes eight."

Saddam sighed. "I must tell you Paddy that I have one million men in my army
waiting to move on my command."

"Begorra!" said Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back."

Sure enough, the next day Paddy rang back. "Right Mr. Hussein, the war is still
on. We have managed to acquire some equipment."

"And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Saddam asked.

"Well, we have two combine harvesters, a bulldozer and Murphy's tractor from the
farm."

Once more Saddam sighed. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 16,000 tanks,
14,000 armoured personnel carriers, and my army has increased to one and a half
million since we last spoke."

"Really?" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back."

Paddy rang again the next day. "Right, Mr. Hussein, the war is still on. We have
managed to get ourselves airborne. We've modified Ted's ultra-light with a
couple of rifles in the cockpit, and the bridge team has joined us as well."

Saddam was silent for a minute, then sighed. "I must tell you Paddy that I have
10,000 bombers, 20,000 MiG-19 attack planes, my military complex is surrounded
by laser-guided surface-to-air missile sites, and since we last spoke, my army
has increased to two million men."

"Faith and begorra!" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back."

Sure enough, Paddy called again the next day. "Right, Mr. Hussein, I am sorry to
tell you that we have had to call off the war."

"I'm sorry to hear that," said Saddam. "Why the sudden change of heart?"

"Well," said Paddy, "We've all had a chat, and there's no way we can feed two
million prisoners."

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Colin Wilson wrote:
Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully
tried
for murder.

So if the gun itself isn't the nutter, the gun is owned BY the
nutter.

Lets take if a step further. The one who should be tried is the government
who allows such nutters to have guns.

Right?

I mean, it's the next logical step.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Colin Wilson wrote:
Please tell us of one instance in which a gun was successfully
tried
for murder.

So if the gun itself isn't the nutter, the gun is owned BY the
nutter.

Lets take if a step further. The one who should be tried is the
government who allows such nutters to have guns.

Right?

I mean, it's the next logical step.

If the government does in fact "allow such nutters to have guns".

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

J. Clarke wrote:
| Morris Dovey wrote:
|| Robatoy wrote:
||| On Sep 12, 1:21 am, "Morris Dovey" wrote:
|||
|||| My _preferred_ weapons are keyboard and ballot.
|||
||| I so wish I had a ballot.
||
|| Y'know, I was thinking about that a while back. Not your (r's)
|| ballot
|| specifically, but the notion that citizens of a country aren't the
|| only stakeholders in choosing that country's leaders.
||
|| It was just idle thinking, of course, because no one in any country
|| would be willing to give someone from another country a role in
|| choosing their country's leadership. Still, it's an interesting
|| thought - and I've wondered how things would play if the world
|| outside
|| the USA could elect one senator and one representative to our
|| legislature...
|
| Probably about like they play in Puerto Rico and like they played in
| the Phillippines.

Quite possibly. Still, because of their far wider constituancy
(assuming that the individuals /would/ actually attempt to represent
their constituants), it'd be interesting to see if they could do other
than vote "Nay" on all issues. :-)

||| That said, it does not render my views and my ability to express
||| them as impotent.
||| It's that 'forest-from-the-trees' thing, Morris.
||
|| Absolutely true - that's the "keyboard' part of the arsenal.
|| Discourse
|| /can/ bring about change when well-chosen words are spoken/written
|| in
|| a suitable context.
|
| But only if the people with power to effect change see the words.

That's a given. Are you feeling ignored?

|| Well, in a manner of speaking, we're all trees in the forest - even
|| though we'd each like to speak our own piece and be heard as
|| individuals.
||
|| It's being worth listening to that's the real challenge.
|
| Getting heard is harder than being worth listening to.

I haven't found that to be the case - but I may have some advantage
because of my location. I've been going to campaign "town hall"
meetings and have a different view.

||| A lot of my peers were on loan to Iran to build their electrical
||| networks. They made a lot of friends. So many Iranians we'd love
||| to have as neighbours. What's with the war drums?
||
|| Fear and a certain amount of bigotry. Fear that Iran will develop
|| nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have and fear that they'll
|| act irresponsibly.
|
| Several of nations have nuclear weapons as powerful as those we have
| and are not a problem. I don't think that anyone in the US gives a
| damn if the Brits or the French have nuclear weapons of any degree
| of power. Iran though is run by Islamic fundamentalists, and while
| the ones running Iran have not done so recently, Islamic fundies
| seem to like to blow up anything they dislike and don't really seem
| to give much of a damn who, including themselves, gets hurt in the
| process. If it Iranians nuked a city somewhere and the whole
| country got paved as a result they'd be acclaimed as gloriout
| martyrs to the Jihad.

Posession of nukes imposes (IMO) a requirement for non-stop 100.000%
responsible behavior of which I see little evidence in any human
society - YMMV.

_Radical_ fundamentalists of _any_ persuasion are so labeled, at least
in part, because they deny cultural and social norms - and so their
ability to act responsibly in a wider context is diminished.

A world in which we have jihad, crusade, purge, ethnic cleansing, etc.
as operative concepts is not a good place in which to even store
nukes.

| That's why Iran having nuclear weapons is a bad thing. In fact
| Pakistan having them is a bit scary--the current regime there seems
| to be reasonable, but it doesn't even have the whole country under
| control--there are places in Pakistan that the cops don't go
| without a military escort, and there have been attempts to
| assassinate the current leader. If the fundies take over Pakistan
| then it's quite possible that Very Bad Things will follow.

I agree. It's already /possible/ - but the probability would likely
increase significantly.

|| I worked (and socialized) with some Irani immigrants in San Jose. I
|| was pleased to give 'em all the furniture I'd built for my
|| apartment when I returned to Iowa, and I'd be still more pleased
|| to have them living next door here.
|
| Every Japanese I've met has been a good guy. So has every German.
| That doesn't mean that Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust didn't happen.
|
| It's not the man in the street that starts wars, it's the
| government. In the late '30s and early '40s both countries had
| rather nasty governments that didn't much care who got hurt while
| they pursued their dreams of power and there was precious little
| that the man in the street could do about it. A lot of good,
| decent Japanese and Germans got killed either by or for those
| governments.
|
| Do you really trust the Iranian government? You don't seem to trust
| the US government and the US government is at least notionally
| answerable to the populace, so why is the Iranian government more
| trustworthy?

No, I don't - but neither do I have total confidence in /any/
government. I like to think that the US government - both as a whole
and as a collection of elected/appointed/hired individuals - is more
responsible, responsive, and answerable than most - but the news is
filled with evidence of irresponsible and unwise behaviors. However
good it is, it's not 100%.

|| In order to beat the war drums, it's necessary to /ignore/ the
|| value of individuals. I've concluded that "hawkishness" is
|| inversely proportional to the number of places from which one's
|| friends come and
|| inverse-squared with one's appreciation for cultures other than
|| one's own.
|
| So which would you rather? Some of those valuable individuals die
| sooner while the Iranian government is prevented from obtaining
| nuclear weapons that it doesn't need, or a lot more die later when
| that government uses those weapons?

I'd rather you extended my range of choices. :-)

| Why is the Iranian government so Hell-bent on nuclear weapons
| anyway? That money could be far better spent expanding the economy.

I don't /know/ why - but I'd guess that they're afraid and have
convinced themselves that they can live less in fear if they can wave
a bigger stick. I'd also guess that the primary sources of their fear
are the USA and Israel.

I agree that the resources could be used much more productively.

||| Won't you add impeachement to you arsenal of keyboard and ballot?
||
|| That's not really a solution to the problems we've created for
|| ourselves - for a number of reasons. For instance: How would you
|| feel
|| knowing the head of household next door had carelessly shot a
|| _friend_?
|
| What does this have to do with impeachment? And how often does that
| particular scenario happen anyway? That's another statistic that
| you people pull up at the drop of the hat without understanding
| it--"shot someone you know" is not the same as "shot a friend".

Relatively seldom. I am not, by the way, "you people" any more than is
John Clarke. It was not a group of people who wrote the article to
which you responded. I'm making an effort to respond thoughtfully and
honestly to you as an individual - and I'd appreciate if you make that
same effort.

I maintain that a hunter is responsible for where his bullet/shot ends
up - absolutely and without exception. If the trajectory cannot be
known to be safe, the shot must not be fired. In my considered opinion
Cheney demonstrated his inclination to act irresponsibly at a very
fundamental level.

I not only would not hunt with the man - I would be loathe to allow
him to trade control of his shotgun for control of our nuclear
arsenal.

|| IMO, our stars never shone so brightly as when we focused our
|| efforts
|| on sharing our best with others in need - and they never dimmed so
|| rapidly as when our politicians changed their focus from 'help' to
|| 'control'.
||
|| They _still_ don't have 24-hour electricity in Baghdad.
|
| And they aren't going to until the Iraqis quit blowing each other to
| Kingdom Come.
|
| That's why the US is there right now, to try to keep the lid on
| until the government is strong and stable enough to do so without
| help. Now, I'm sure you're going to counter with the argument that
| everything will be peachy-keen in Iraq if the US leaves. And you're
| right, it will, if you define "peachy-keen" as "The Mahdi Army
| overthrows the government, establishes a Shiite dominated Islamic
| fundamentalist state, arrests and imprisons or executes anybody who
| dissents, lines up all the troublemakers and lots of other innocents
| who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and
| shoots them, establishes a new secret police, and Moqtada Al-Sadr is
| elected President for Life by a 110 percent majority".

No - I'm going to counter by reminding you that the US is there right
now because our President declared Iraq to be a "clear and present
danger" to the United States and directed his Secretary of Defense to
send our military forces there to remove the weapons of mass
destruction.

I understand that you're frustrated, as am I, but let's not lose sight
of facts nor allow ourselves (or others) to duck responsibility for
actions taken and not taken.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:28:42 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:36:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

snip


Don't get grumpy, Gunner. I just know what's coming, and it could be a
beaut. If it were me I'd list all the citations from US v Emerson, 5th
Circuit Court of Appeals, and expect responses in November or so. g


Those are at hand..waiting in the wings. Think of them as claymores
for when the gomers human wave the wire...

G

Interesting and thought provoking pictures eh?

Yeah, they are. They look like print ads. Who produced them?

IvanOleg, the young guy who runs the website. Rather good
photographer, pro second amendment.

Russian immigre as I recall.

He of course does other stuff, chop it down to just the www and look
at his other work

Gunner

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:04:20 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox,
syphillis
and broken promises just to name a few...

Actually that was the Spanish that started all that. By the time the
British arrived small pox, syphilis, and broken promises were well
established. The slavery part the indigenous population had already
figured out on their own.


So it was the Spanish given smallpox infected blankets to the Indians
and paying bounties on scalps?

And you think thats a good thing?

Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
grateful

And the Spanish put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing.

By baptizing the lot of them, then setting them on fire.

Gunner

You left out "by other means"
Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?

I see no reason to bother continuing with your feeble arguments - your
murder rate is three times higher despite your attempts to say gun
ownership prevents crime.

Bob Eager wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:15:14 UTC, "Swingman" wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message

he was sent to one of the USAF bases over here to induct new service
personnel into the pitfalls of our common language.

A personal favorite was when my cute secretary at the aircraft factory where
I worked in Heston, UK would say to me frequently: "knock me up".

And in the reverse sense (UK to US): "I'm dying for a fag"


Thats where AIDS came from.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Dave wrote:


We do, whe just don't get 'British'.

'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
ships to land and populate that land?


'British' = your slang.


It was you that chose to *******ise it, by ignoring the changes that we
made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
understand each other

Dave


Look at what the British have done to it in the last 250 years. Talk
about *******izing! You're your own worst ennemy.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

raden wrote:

And lets not forget that more british soldiers were killed by septics
than by enemy combatants in the first gulf war


Which only proves that you're not the supermen you claim to be, nor
careful enough in a war zone.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Jerome Meekings wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

And then it's the "nutter", the ownership or possession of firearm by
which is unlawful everywhere in the United States, who commits the
murder.

The bigest problems with having so many guns is that.
1) the nutters can get them more easily.
2) borderline nutters can get them easily.
3) young kids can, and do, get them to play with and kill others by
mistake much too often.
4) killing or injuring someone at a distance is so easy,

And the reason that guns should be much more closely controlled is that
with almost all other weapons you have to get close to the person you
injure/kill.

But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be easily
identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for their
use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could prove
that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable responsible
person.
Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country where the
law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
However if it could be achieved the level of gun related crime/accidents
would drop at an amazing rate.


if you don't like it that Americans own handguns, start knocing on
doors and tell the homeowner to surrender all waepons. You might as
well start here in Florida, becasue there are plenty of hungry 'gators
who don't mind a little lead in their food.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Ralph wrote:

Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?


Wy don't you just ignore the thread if you can't handle it?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:56:31 +0100, Colin Wilson
o.uk wrote:

So you're only 3 times more likely to be murdered in the US - so much
for guns keeping crime down...
With 5 x the population of the UK..seems like we are ahead on safety
points.

You really are a dumb gun fanatic looking for an excuse.

The figures are per thousand people of population. This takes into
account the population difference.

You left out "by other means"

Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?

Gunner


Sure! He's another liar, like Hawkie.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:05:05 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , Gunner
writes
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:24:45 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , Michael A. Terrell
writes
raden wrote:

In message , Dave
writes

In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
then I am all for it.

Do you understand nurfink?


I understant that you're aren't qualified to own a gun, in your nanny
state.

One of the more sensible laws we have

True. Here in the US we dont let the mentally ill own firearms
either.


So you're "gunner" in name only then ?

Huh? My real world nickname is Gunner. Has been for over 30 yrs.

Btw..I do get a clean bill of health every 2 yrs. I have the card in
my pocket as proof.

CCW permit.

And your proof is where again?


The card in 'his' pocket lets him out of the asylum, but only to go
to work. Even they don't wantr him running loose.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

raden wrote:

What would you know


A hell of a lot more than you ever will.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In message , J. Clarke
writes
Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
because?

But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
easily
identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
their
use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner could
prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
responsible person.
Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country
where
the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.

Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all this
"easy identification" that does not create another huge government
beaurocracy.

Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?

Hey, ask the stupid Brit that just couldn't resist stirring the
anthill.

I'm sitting here with a beer having a good laugh at you

It's just so easy

Ha ha

YTC


--
geoff

willshak wrote:

on 9/12/2007 4:49 PM Michael A. Terrell said the following:
willshak wrote:

Bring on more insults.



Why? Can't you afford a mirror?

I have a few of them.
I also have a DD214. There are a lot of US Veterans on this newsgroup.


Sorry about your injury.

I served during Vietnam era, but never saw combat. I had severe
health problems, but a very good background in electronics so they
drafted me, after telling me I couldn't enlist because of five separate
4F ratings. I was legally disabled when I was drafted, but I served. I
tested out of the three year electronics school for broadcast engineer
while I was in basic training, and skipped AIT. It was a few years ago
those problems got so bad that I can no longer work.

I was fortunate to have
served between the Korean and Viet Nam wars.


Only one person in seven in the US military ever sees combat. Some
people don't understand that. There is more to a fighting force than
the front line, and everything has to work properly, or those at the
front line all die.


I also have a certificate honoring my 38 years of municipal service,
which service required that I enforce the criminal and traffic laws of
New York State and carry a gun when on duty.


Good for you. Were you an MP or SP wile in the military? A lot of
the better police officers got their training that way. I only met a
couple bad ones while in the US Army. I bet that they all remembered me
for a while. It's amazing what a quick talk with their watch commander
can do when they screw up. I worked 'Weathervision' at Ft. Rucker
and had several try to keep me from doing my duty. All the watch
commander had to hear was 'Weathervision' and the MP got yelled at, and
reminded that if our group didn't get their job done, the helicopter
school had to shut down.


I received a letter of commendation from my commanding General for my
work to resurrect a totally screwed up AFRTS TV station. I ignored that
everything was depot level work, and fixed everything in the station.
Then the station manager tried to have me court martailed for
'dereliction of duty' for the work I did. It was quickly dropped, and I
was promoted.

I went back into electronics after I left the service. At my last job
I was building telemetry equipment for a lot of US government agencies,
some that are still under NDA.


I also own 5 handguns and two rifles.
I also was once a member of the NRA.
Surprised?

Not really. I was just responding to your jab. ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Gunner wrote:

Its not the Iranian people...its the fuctards that run their
government.

Germans are nice folks. Stick a Shicklegrubber at the top...and all
bets are off.

Unless the Iranians get the stones to remove the clerics and that evil
cocksucking dwarf from power...they are going to wind up like the
Germans did in 1945.

And you can take that to the bank.


It looks like its getting closer to that day:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296642,00.html


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken wrote:
What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.

Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.

Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:04:20 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox,
syphillis
and broken promises just to name a few...

Actually that was the Spanish that started all that. By the time
the
British arrived small pox, syphilis, and broken promises were well
established. The slavery part the indigenous population had
already
figured out on their own.


So it was the Spanish given smallpox infected blankets to the
Indians
and paying bounties on scalps?

By the time anybody started giving "smallpox infected blankets" to the
Indians the indigenous population had already been decimated. Sad
fact, Native Americans, North and South, had no immunity--it spread
like crazy.

As for bounties on scalps, I'm not sure what your point is. Where the
Spanish arrived it wasn't scalps, it was hearts, and on a production
line basis.

And you think thats a good thing?

Well..you did give my people "scalping" for which We are forever
grateful

And the Spanish put an end to that whole human sacrifice thing.

By baptizing the lot of them, then setting them on fire.

And how exactly are the English responsible for that?

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Colin Wilson wrote:
You left out "by other means"
Is there some reason you wish to hide those figures?

I see no reason to bother continuing with your feeble arguments -
your
murder rate is three times higher despite your attempts to say gun
ownership prevents crime.

And what would it be if guns in the US were banned? That's the point
you miss--you assume that if the US had laws similar to those in
whatever workers paradise you inhabit then the homicide rate would
also be similar. But you have no evidence to support that contention.

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raden wrote:
In message , J. Clarke
writes
Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
because?

But by controlled I mean that all guns and ammunition should be
easily
identifiable and the original owner made equally responsible for
their
use or misuse, with no exceptions at all, unless that owner
could
prove that they had sold the gun/ammo to another identifiable
responsible person.
Regrettably at this time that could not happen in any country
where
the law often lets people totally avoid responsibility.
However if it could be achieved the level of gun related
crime/accidents would drop at an amazing rate.

Pie in the sky. Tell us a proven method of accomplishing all
this
"easy identification" that does not create another huge
government
beaurocracy.

Why don't you guys take this discussion to GUNS "R" US?

Hey, ask the stupid Brit that just couldn't resist stirring the
anthill.

I'm sitting here with a beer having a good laugh at you

It's just so easy

So your purpose was to start a debate for your own amusement?

plonk


May as well plonk the newsgroup you rode in on. Hell, I think I'll
plonk the whole uk. heirarchy while I'm about it.
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on 9/13/2007 10:17 AM clifto said the following:
willshak wrote:

on 9/11/2007 1:28 AM John B said the following:

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"willshak" wrote in message

My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.

Mine has not been that long in a couple of years now. 1/6" on the
sides, uh, even less on top. Eliminates a lot of problems and is
easy to style in the morning.


G'day Ed,
I'm in your camp. I call it a 6 month hair cut
In Oz they are commonly called a Crew Cut.


Here in the US it is called a crew cut too.


Careful. There were definite distinctions between any number of short
hair styles. IIRC a buzz cut was shorter than a crewcut, which was shorter
than a butch. The shortest of all was the baldy sour.


Back in the 50's there was a
singin8 group called "The Crew Cuts"
The "Life is but a Dream" melody immediately comes to mind, but I don't
know if that was by the Crew Cuts


"Sh-Boom"

Right!

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Ed Huntress wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:
snip
Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
snip

While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
and s**t disturbing.

In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
legislators.

This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.

Not to mention us new members. g

I forgot to mention that the sweet young thing offered me a lifetime
membership at the reduced rate of $700. I told her she'd have to reduce it a
hell of a lot more than that before it was a good deal for me...


"700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

raden wrote:

In message , Michael A. Terrell
writes

He doesn't think, he just parrots the anti Second Amendment cult.

We don't have a second amendment, you thick septic


God, are you dense. You don't DESREVE one, either. You let women
rule your country

Better than the retard that runs yours

OK rednecks, I'm bored with you now


You were boring from the moment you stuck your snout into RCM.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

raden wrote:

In message ,
nick hull writes
In article , raden
wrote:

Sport aside, guns are there to kill

Funny thing, disregarding sports and target practice, most of my ammo
expended was for other purposes than killing. Probably have used a gun
as a drill more often than to kill something

Right tool for the right job, eh ?


You're a 'tool' alright.

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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken wrote:
What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.

Guy I knew was hanging fascia board on a two story building, no safety
equipment. He fell off and landed on a piece of #4 rebar sticking out
of a masonry footing. The bar went up his rectum. Some idiot ran over
with a cutting torch and started cutting. He stopped, and they used a
cut off wheel on a angle grinder to cut it off. He couldn't walk or
sit for three weeks. Rectum, damn near killed him.

Yow! Couldn't they just, kinda, lift him off? Gently.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:


We do, whe just don't get 'British'.

'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
ships to land and populate that land?


'British' = your slang.


It was you that chose to *******ise it, by ignoring the changes that we
made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
understand each other

Dave


Look at what the British have done to it in the last 250 years. Talk
about *******izing! You're your own worst ennemy.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

People, people.
It was Bill Brysons book about language that asserted, I don't know with what justification, that the
current US "drawl" is more like the accent used by Elizabethan English - i.e. when the Mayflower set
sail - than the current English accent that comes from a load of Germans, Dutch and Greeks that we
brought over 200 years ago to rule us.
So you guys are actually closer to original English than we, the English, are.

"Just Wondering" wrote in message
...
Count the postings to this thread. YOu'll find that even though OT it is generating more interest
then anything else going on in this newsgroup right now. That's the First Amendment at work. Don't
like it? Then exercise your own rights rather than try to suppress others, by just ignoring this
thread.


William Noble wrote:

doesn't it amaze you how every thread that might possibly involve an OT subject degenerates into a
pro/anti gun arguement? don't you guys have something better with which to occupy your synapses?
"

True. Federal courts have consistently held that the right to bear arms in the Second Amendment is
an individual right, not a right belonging to a "well regulated militia" or to members of a
militia.

Even though the Amendment itself limits the right to a "well-regulated militia".

I guess its only a matter of time before someone says "Because the good lord made it so", and we are
then allowed to let this thread die...
'alf a mo'. I just did say it. Can we stop now?

"J. Clarke" wrote in message ...
raden wrote:
In message , J. Clarke
writes
Uh, you _want_ to get close to someone who is trying to kill you
because?

I think his point is that guns can kill at a distance, which makes it easier to reach a state of mind
where shooting someone is desirable, and where it carries less consequences.

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:42:41 +0100, Dave
wrote:


We do, whe just don't get 'British'.

'English', not British, was the language that your founding fathers
brought to your shore. Was it the Mayflower that was one of the first
ships to land and populate that land?

It was you that chose to *******ise it, by ignoring the changes that we
made to it over the years. Hence we talk the same language, but do not
understand each other

Dave



Lets see..as I recall..yall also broght slavery, small pox, syphillis
and broken promises just to name a few...

....
Actually, syphilis went from the Americas to Europe in 1493.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:54:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:
snip
Wayne was running on about some new bill, H.R. 1022 I think, that the
Democrats from Hell had introduced, which must be something awful.
snip

While I am a life member of the NRA, this is more fund raising
and s**t disturbing.

In most cases a single member in either house can place a "hold"
on a bill. Thus all of the gun legislation was passed with at
least the tacit cooperation of the so-called "pro gun"
legislators.

This again appears to be more punch-n-judy show for the suckers,
er... ah .. campaign contributors and voters.

Not to mention us new members. g

I forgot to mention that the sweet young thing offered me a lifetime
membership at the reduced rate of $700. I told her she'd have to reduce
it a
hell of a lot more than that before it was a good deal for me...


"700$" No thanks, I always get more than that. ;-)

You're crude. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

nick hull wrote:

| Too bad the candidate of my choice is NEVER on the ballot - NONE OF
| THE ABOVE

I can't resist asking...

How much have you actually done to get the qualified candidate of your
choice onto the ballot?

:-)

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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/