I ordered a pane of toughened glass about 1.5m tall by 0.5m wide, which
I collected today intending to fit it - it's for a fixed light adjacent
to a front door.

Anyway, I got the old glass out this evening, cleaned everything up,
applied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was holding
it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up with the
frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or provocation the
whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and landed in a heap of
tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have looked like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon; I was left there holding out my empty hands with a stunned look
on my face.

Clearly I need to have a discussion with the glass supplier tomorrow
morning. It seems to me that the pane was flawed in some way - was the
toughening process done wrong in some way - plausible? Is this sort of
thing common? I'm just envisaging the reaction of the supplier tomorrow
- if he refuses to play ball and tells me I bashed it or dropped it I
would like some knowledge at my fingertips!

I'm also concerned at another level - had this spontaneous breakage
occurred an hour later the pane would have been in situ and the property
empty for the night, and therefore totally open to burglary. And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?

Would appreciate any comments (before tomorrow!).
David

In article ,
Lobster writes:
I ordered a pane of toughened glass about 1.5m tall by 0.5m wide, which
I collected today intending to fit it - it's for a fixed light adjacent
to a front door.

Anyway, I got the old glass out this evening, cleaned everything up,
applied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was holding
it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up with the
frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or provocation the
whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and landed in a heap of
tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have looked like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon; I was left there holding out my empty hands with a stunned look
on my face.

Clearly I need to have a discussion with the glass supplier tomorrow
morning. It seems to me that the pane was flawed in some way - was the
toughening process done wrong in some way - plausible? Is this sort of
thing common? I'm just envisaging the reaction of the supplier tomorrow
- if he refuses to play ball and tells me I bashed it or dropped it I
would like some knowledge at my fingertips!

You only have to brush a corner of it against any brickwork
or concrete for that to happen, and you'd probably never
realise you did that. Double glazing installers do this
occasionally, apparently always with the largest and most
expensive and most important window unit in the installation.
I suppose it might have been left with some strange stresses
in it as a result of toughening.

I'm also concerned at another level - had this spontaneous breakage
occurred an hour later the pane would have been in situ and the property
empty for the night, and therefore totally open to burglary. And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?

If it wasn't toughened and it broke, you might now be in
hospital having got a large glass dagger stuck in you.
That happened to a friend of mine in the US -- fell through
patio window, and ended up with a long glass dagger stuck
in his arm. Besides the fact he nearly bled to death because
someone at the scene thought it was a smart idea to remove it,
it was 9 months before he started regaining feeling in his
forearm and hand, with no assuurance that would ever happen
at all.

Would appreciate any comments (before tomorrow!).

Laminated glass would be better from a burglary point of
view, but unless all your ground floor glass is laminated,
there's no point.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:29:05 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

I ordered a pane of toughened glass about 1.5m tall by 0.5m wide, which
I collected today intending to fit it - it's for a fixed light adjacent
to a front door.

Anyway, I got the old glass out this evening, cleaned everything up,
applied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was holding
it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up with the
frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or provocation the
whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and landed in a heap of
tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have looked like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon; I was left there holding out my empty hands with a stunned look
on my face.

That's the way they go !

My wife had the exactly the same experience with a glass shelf out of
a 4 years old kitchen cabinet.


Clearly I need to have a discussion with the glass supplier tomorrow
morning. It seems to me that the pane was flawed in some way - was the
toughening process done wrong in some way - plausible? Is this sort of
thing common? I'm just envisaging the reaction of the supplier tomorrow
- if he refuses to play ball and tells me I bashed it or dropped it I
would like some knowledge at my fingertips!

It will have had a flaw in it, whether you notched it in transport or
handling or they did will be a moot point.


I'm also concerned at another level - had this spontaneous breakage
occurred an hour later the pane would have been in situ and the property
empty for the night, and therefore totally open to burglary.

Small to medium size panes of glass are not very secure. AIUI burglars
tend not break in via big panes of glass, too much noise.

And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?

It doesn't break into sharp dangerous shards.

As a result of the toughening process the surfaces of the glass are
held in tension, if a break occurs in the surface that tension rips it
apart as soon as the break in the surface reaches a critical size
(when the crack gains more energy from the surface tension by growing
than it takes to open the crack it will propagate out of control).

In a shop unit I rent the insurance company insisted I have just such
a glass panel protected with a metal grille.


Would appreciate any comments (before tomorrow!).

Not much help I fear. :-(

DG

Derek Geldard wrote:



That's the way they go !

My wife had the exactly the same experience with a glass shelf out of
a 4 years old kitchen cabinet.





I assume that the glass shelves in my fridge are toughened? Salesman
demonstrated their toughness by takeing one out of the shop floor model
and chucking it on the floor - it bounced in a most rewarding manner!

Fridge is now seven years old. Perhaps I had better stand by for
spontaneously fragmenting shelves, especially as many of them are scratched.

Richard

Derek Geldard wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:29:05 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

I ordered a pane of toughened glass about 1.5m tall by 0.5m wide, which
I collected today intending to fit it - it's for a fixed light adjacent
to a front door.

Anyway, I got the old glass out this evening, cleaned everything up,
applied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was holding
it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up with the
frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or provocation the
whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and landed in a heap of
tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have looked like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon; I was left there holding out my empty hands with a stunned look
on my face.

That's the way they go !

My wife had the exactly the same experience with a glass shelf out of
a 4 years old kitchen cabinet.

Clearly I need to have a discussion with the glass supplier tomorrow
morning. It seems to me that the pane was flawed in some way - was the
toughening process done wrong in some way - plausible? Is this sort of
thing common? I'm just envisaging the reaction of the supplier tomorrow
- if he refuses to play ball and tells me I bashed it or dropped it I
would like some knowledge at my fingertips!

It will have had a flaw in it, whether you notched it in transport or
handling or they did will be a moot point.

Thanks for the replies. Well I suppose since I drove it the short
distance from the supplier to the property, I couldn't stand up in a
court of law and swear that there's no possibility that the pane could
have got notched in transit :-(. Though frankly I really can't see how
it could have. I can certainly say hand on heart that I didn't knock it
any way at the time it fractured though - I was in the middle of a room
and had just picked it up.

Will have to see what the bloke says, I suppose.

David

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Lobster
saying something like:

pplied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was holding
it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up with the
frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or provocation the
whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and landed in a heap of
tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have looked like a Tom and Jerry
cartoon; I was left there holding out my empty hands with a stunned look
on my face.

Would appreciate any comments (before tomorrow!).

Meanwhile, a boy with an airgun was quietly knotting himself laughing in
the bushes.
--

Dave

In article ,
Owain writes:

If you want to stop the glass breaking (or retain the broken pieces in
situ) then you have 4 choices:

1. Laminated glass
2. Wired glass

Wired glass doesn't help prevent glass breaking and does little
to hold it together if it does break with any force -- the wires
just snap along with the glass. It's mainly to help the glass
stay in place for long enough when it softens in a fire that a
fire door's 30 minute rating can be met.

3. Polycarbonate
4. Translucent fibreglass with embedded expanded metal lath.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In uk.d-i-y, Derek Geldard wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:29:05 GMT, Lobster
wrote:
I'm also concerned at another level - had this spontaneous breakage
occurred an hour later the pane would have been in situ and the property
empty for the night, and therefore totally open to burglary.

Small to medium size panes of glass are not very secure. AIUI burglars
tend not break in via big panes of glass, too much noise.

And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?

It doesn't break into sharp dangerous shards.

Thus endangering the burglar. We wouldn't want that now, would we?

--
Mike Barnes

In article ,
Lobster wrote:
I'm also concerned at another level - had this spontaneous breakage
occurred an hour later the pane would have been in situ and the property
empty for the night, and therefore totally open to burglary. And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?

It's strange stuff, toughened glass. One staff canteen I used to frequent
supplied toughened glass water tumblers and it was quite common for one to
explode. But as windows if it survives installation it generally lasts
well. After all car side and rear windows are still mainly toughened.

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:40:28 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

After all car side and rear windows are still mainly toughened.

Until some scrote comes along with a bit of sharp ceramic or automatic
center punch...

'tis funny stuff though. Remeber them trying to craze a car window for a
stunt once. Cold chisel held against the glass in a corner, gentle tap
with lump hammer, no effect; bigger thump, chisel bounced and was dropped;
took some serious welly to finally make it break.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In article om,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
After all car side and rear windows are still mainly toughened.

Until some scrote comes along with a bit of sharp ceramic or automatic
center punch...

'tis funny stuff though. Remeber them trying to craze a car window for a
stunt once. Cold chisel held against the glass in a corner, gentle tap
with lump hammer, no effect; bigger thump, chisel bounced and was
dropped; took some serious welly to finally make it break.

Yup - same here. Script called for the driver's window to be smashed in
with a baseball bat. After take 5 and the stunt guys getting nowhere with
it, props fitted a masonry nail to the bat. Worked.

--
*Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:40:28 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

After all car side and rear windows are still mainly toughened.

Until some scrote comes along with a bit of sharp ceramic or automatic
center punch...

'tis funny stuff though. Remeber them trying to craze a car window for a
stunt once. Cold chisel held against the glass in a corner, gentle tap
with lump hammer, no effect; bigger thump, chisel bounced and was dropped;
took some serious welly to finally make it break.

I recall a woman locked out of her car with the keys visible in the
ignition, c 1975, asking a Policeman to break the door window. I had been
going to offer to open the door without damage, but thought it better not to
demonstrate proficiency with a piece of plastic strapping on a door release
knob once she called him over. It took him lots of attempts with his
truncheon before the window finally gave way.

Colin Bignell

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article om,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
After all car side and rear windows are still mainly toughened.

Until some scrote comes along with a bit of sharp ceramic or automatic
center punch...

'tis funny stuff though. Remeber them trying to craze a car window for a
stunt once. Cold chisel held against the glass in a corner, gentle tap
with lump hammer, no effect; bigger thump, chisel bounced and was
dropped; took some serious welly to finally make it break.

Yup - same here. Script called for the driver's window to be smashed in
with a baseball bat. After take 5 and the stunt guys getting nowhere with
it, props fitted a masonry nail to the bat. Worked.

;-) reminds of the recent demonstration that it is practically
impossible to light a puddle/stream of petrol with a lit ciggy. The
alternatives wouldn't look so cool though, would they?

Peter

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www.the-brights.net

In article ,
nightjar nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.com wrote:
I recall a woman locked out of her car with the keys visible in the
ignition, c 1975, asking a Policeman to break the door window. I had
been going to offer to open the door without damage, but thought it
better not to demonstrate proficiency with a piece of plastic strapping
on a door release knob once she called him over. It took him lots of
attempts with his truncheon before the window finally gave way.

An asp works rather better. ;-)

--
*(over a sketch of the titanic) "The boat sank - get over it

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In uk.d-i-y, Peter Ashby wrote:
reminds of the recent demonstration that it is practically
impossible to light a puddle/stream of petrol with a lit ciggy.

That's true, but try telling smokers that they can smoke but they can't
light up.

--
Mike Barnes

In uk.d-i-y, Owain wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:
In uk.d-i-y, Derek Geldard wrote:
And if the
glass is so fragile, WTF is the point of paying for it to be toughened?
It doesn't break into sharp dangerous shards.
Thus endangering the burglar. We wouldn't want that now, would we?

We wouldn't, because (a) we might get sued, (b) why add to the distress
of being burgled by blood on the carpet.

When it happened to us the blood on the glass was DNA tested and led to
the apprehension of the perp. We didn't get sued, but we did get
compensated.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote:

In uk.d-i-y, Peter Ashby wrote:
reminds of the recent demonstration that it is practically
impossible to light a puddle/stream of petrol with a lit ciggy.

That's true, but try telling smokers that they can smoke but they can't
light up.

Oh granted, there is difference between a spark in vapour in the petrol
station and a cinder in liquid petrol. Recent report in the local rag
about a truck which rolled and spilled grain all over the carriageway
also mentioned leaking diesel and the consequent fire risk, and there
was me thiking you needed to compress diesel vapour before it will
burn...

Peter
--
Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country
www.the-brights.net

On 30 May, 19:34, Owain wrote:

If you want to stop the glass breaking (or retain the broken pieces in
situ) then you have 4 choices:

1. Laminated glass
2. Wired glass
3. Polycarbonate
4. Translucent fibreglass with embedded expanded metal lath.

A 5th choice is cheaper. A cold-applied plastic surface film. Not so
good as laminated when broken, but adequate as a safety measure (if
the risk is loose shards, rather than falling through it) and far
cheaper.

"Peter Ashby" wrote in message
uk...

Oh granted, there is difference between a spark in vapour in the petrol
station and a cinder in liquid petrol. Recent report in the local rag
about a truck which rolled and spilled grain all over the carriageway
also mentioned leaking diesel and the consequent fire risk, and there
was me thiking you needed to compress diesel vapour before it will
burn...

Umm, you don't...

Diesel will burn quite happily given an appropriate source of ignition. Of
course the fact it isn't as volatile as petrol means it doesn't have the
vapour ready to go 'boom' in an exciting manner even if you're not actually
anywhere near any obvious liquid.

cheers,
clive

Peter Ashby wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:

In uk.d-i-y, Peter Ashby wrote:
reminds of the recent demonstration that it is practically
impossible to light a puddle/stream of petrol with a lit ciggy.
That's true, but try telling smokers that they can smoke but they can't
light up.

Oh granted, there is difference between a spark in vapour in the petrol
station and a cinder in liquid petrol. Recent report in the local rag
about a truck which rolled and spilled grain all over the carriageway
also mentioned leaking diesel and the consequent fire risk, and there
was me thiking you needed to compress diesel vapour before it will
burn...


No you don't.

There are other ways of getting it to flashpoint.

Diesel burns remarkably well with any sort of wick.

And, if hot enough, will go up in a ball of fire..think 911. Aircraft
fuel is essentially diesel.

Petrol *vapour* if the concentration is critical, will ignite with
almost anything. As a *liquid* you can drop a lit match in..and it will
douse it.

Peter

On Thu, 31 May 2007 10:07:55 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
nightjar nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.com wrote:
I recall a woman locked out of her car with the keys visible in the
ignition, c 1975, asking a Policeman to break the door window. I had
been going to offer to open the door without damage, but thought it
better not to demonstrate proficiency with a piece of plastic strapping
on a door release knob once she called him over. It took him lots of
attempts with his truncheon before the window finally gave way.

An asp works rather better. ;-)

How does a snake mange that ? or did you mean a rough file ...

..an asp

The Natural Philosopher wrote:


And, if hot enough, will go up in a ball of fire..think 911. Aircraft
fuel is essentially diesel.

I thought aircraft fuel was closer to kerosene than diesel?

Peter
--
Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country
www.the-brights.net

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And, if hot enough, will go up in a ball of fire..think 911. Aircraft
fuel is essentially diesel.

Paraffin, surely? Although they are close.

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Stuart B wrote:
An asp works rather better. ;-)

How does a snake mange that ? or did you mean a rough file ...

.an asp

Dunno if it's the real name but it's what I've heard those locking
telescopic steel batons called.

--
*The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And, if hot enough, will go up in a ball of fire..think 911. Aircraft
fuel is essentially diesel.

Paraffin, surely? Although they are close.

Ah yes, that's it. I became aware of that after an article in New
Scientist which pointed out that deforestation in some third world areas
has got worse because the first world's appetite for aircraft fuel
pushed parafin prices up higher than many poor people could afford so
they went back to wood.

Peter
--
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www.the-brights.net

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Stuart B wrote:
An asp works rather better. ;-)

How does a snake mange that ? or did you mean a rough file ...

.an asp

Dunno if it's the real name but it's what I've heard those locking
telescopic steel batons called.

Technically it's "ASP" I believe - as in the name of the company which
makes them.

Arse-kicking Stuff for Police?

David

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Owain
saying something like:

Lobster wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Dunno if it's the real name but it's what I've heard those locking
telescopic steel batons called.
Technically it's "ASP" I believe - as in the name of the company which
makes them.
Arse-kicking Stuff for Police?

Afflictor of Serious Pain?

Accessory for Soft Police?

Approved Smacker of People?

Anti Scrote Pole
--

Dave

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
ps.com...
On 30 May, 19:34, Owain wrote:

If you want to stop the glass breaking (or retain the broken pieces in
situ) then you have 4 choices:

1. Laminated glass
2. Wired glass
3. Polycarbonate
4. Translucent fibreglass with embedded expanded metal lath.

A 5th choice is cheaper. A cold-applied plastic surface film. Not so
good as laminated when broken, but adequate as a safety measure (if
the risk is loose shards, rather than falling through it) and far
cheaper.


And totally useless unless its for backing something like a mirror where
there is a ridged panel behind.
Without the panel the shards will still kill you if you fall on them or if
they fall on you.

Lobster wrote:
Derek Geldard wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:29:05 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

I ordered a pane of toughened glass about 1.5m tall by 0.5m wide,
which I collected today intending to fit it - it's for a fixed light
adjacent to a front door.

Anyway, I got the old glass out this evening, cleaned everything up,
applied putty to the rebate and picked up the new pane... I was
holding it vertically between fingers and thumbs, just lining it up
with the frame when suddenly - KAPOW!! without any warning or
provocation the whole pane exploded instantaneously in mid air, and
landed in a heap of tiny pieces all over my feet. It must have
looked like a Tom and Jerry cartoon; I was left there holding out my
empty hands with a stunned look on my face.

That's the way they go !
My wife had the exactly the same experience with a glass shelf out of
a 4 years old kitchen cabinet.

Clearly I need to have a discussion with the glass supplier tomorrow
morning. It seems to me that the pane was flawed in some way - was
the toughening process done wrong in some way - plausible? Is this
sort of thing common? I'm just envisaging the reaction of the
supplier tomorrow - if he refuses to play ball and tells me I bashed
it or dropped it I would like some knowledge at my fingertips!

It will have had a flaw in it, whether you notched it in transport or
handling or they did will be a moot point.

Thanks for the replies. Well I suppose since I drove it the short
distance from the supplier to the property, I couldn't stand up in a
court of law and swear that there's no possibility that the pane could
have got notched in transit :-(. Though frankly I really can't see how
it could have. I can certainly say hand on heart that I didn't knock it
any way at the time it fractured though - I was in the middle of a room
and had just picked it up.

Will have to see what the bloke says, I suppose.

Well - I told him my tale of woe yesterday and he looked distinctly
unconvinced, though he stopped short of telling me I was a liar. He's
re-ordering the pane from the factory or whereever it is does the
toughening, and will discuss it with them then.

David

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Owain wrote
Lobster wrote:
Technically it's "ASP" I believe - as in the name of the company which
makes them.
Arse-kicking Stuff for Police?
Afflictor of Serious Pain?
Accessory for Soft Police?
Approved Smacker of People?
Anti Scrote Pole

Can I be really boring and put what it actually stands for?


Neznzrag Flfgrzf naq Cebprqherf (ROT 13ed to avoid spoilers).


--
www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk

On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:32:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Diesel burns remarkably well with any sort of wick.

Aye, think oil lamps etc.

And, if hot enough, will go up in a ball of fire..think 911. Aircraft
fuel is essentially diesel.

Depends on the aircraft fuel some use high octane petrol "Av Gas" but jet
engined craft burn "Jet A1" which is essentially kerosene, parrafin,
pressure jet heating oil, 28sec viscosity. Diesel is gas oil and 35sec
viscousity.

Petrol *vapour* if the concentration is critical, will ignite with
almost anything. As a *liquid* you can drop a lit match in..and it will
douse it.

Assuming you can get the lit match through the vapour without it going up.

As a lad my couple of trials of "camp fire" lighting with petrol showed
this was not a good idea. Even a desert spoonfull produces enough vapour
for a rather large WOOMPH in a *very* short space of time. Also the WOOMPH
tends to lift all the bits of your fire a couple of inches into the air
and drop them, then the fuel burns away to quickly before the fire has
really got going. Parafin is far better, no WOOMPH and a much longer burn
time. B-) Didn't have access to diesel at that time.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after 10 years
and an entire window comes showering down from the 11th floor. Beats a
butterfly beating its wings in China causing storm in Harrogate.



--
bof at bof dot me dot uk

bof wrote (apparently) in uk.misc on Sat 02 Jun 2007 20:56:34:

In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after
10 years and an entire window comes showering down from the 11th
floor. Beats a butterfly beating its wings in China causing storm
in Harrogate.

Thankfully I live the "other" side of Starbeck to Harrogate. No storms
here, thanks... I think butterflies have too much freedom anyway, they
shouldn't be kept where their behaviour can affect somewhere several
thousand miles away.

Just like politicians, in that respect...
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere

bof wrote:
In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after 10
years and an entire window comes showering down from the 11th floor.
Beats a butterfly beating its wings in China causing storm in
Harrogate.

Even worse is those bleedin' Peking Cabbage Whites with nickel sulphide
inclusions.Play havoc with the stuff in the greenhouse they do, not to
mention the greenhouse itself.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:56:34 +0100, bof
wrote the following to uk.misc:

In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after 10 years
and an entire window comes showering down from the 11th floor. Beats a
butterfly beating its wings in China causing storm in Harrogate.

Ah, so it's a butterfly's fault I got caught in a shower on Thursday then.

mh.
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http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk

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Mr Guest wrote:
bof wrote (apparently) in uk.misc on Sat 02 Jun 2007 20:56:34:

In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after
10 years and an entire window comes showering down from the 11th
floor. Beats a butterfly beating its wings in China causing storm
in Harrogate.

Thankfully I live the "other" side of Starbeck to Harrogate. No storms
here, thanks...

Aye, but that level crossing is a menace.....

Steve Walker wrote (apparently) in uk.misc on Sun 03 Jun 2007
17:13:42:

Mr Guest wrote:
bof wrote (apparently) in uk.misc on Sat 02 Jun 2007 20:56:34:

In message , Huge
writes
Nickel suphide inclusions.

http://www.glassonweb.com/articles/article/330/

Makes toughened glass shatter spontaneously.

Astonishing really, a single 100um particle changes phase after
10 years and an entire window comes showering down from the
11th floor. Beats a butterfly beating its wings in China
causing storm in Harrogate.

Thankfully I live the "other" side of Starbeck to Harrogate. No
storms here, thanks...

Aye, but that level crossing is a menace.....

To say the least, I always leave extra time if I have to go that way
to get anywhere and turn up 10-15 minutes early or bang on the time
I need to. A lot of Cragrats go via Killinghall or Woodlands to get
to Harrogate instead.

If I remember correctly something my dad told me, there was a plan
(in the 1930s?) to have a flyover from the top of Starbeck (The
Avenue area, I think), over the railway and then above the current
road up to The Stray and then cutting across to get to the town
centre. Not surprised that they didn't bother, but it would look
kind of interesting, all the same.

In one of the better ale and food pubs round here (The Malt Shovel
in Brearton), the barman used to give people directions to various
places via St. Arbeck. Which was always quite amusing.
--
MrGuest
Always, seemingly, on the road to nowhere