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Mysterious Broken Inner Double Glazed Pane
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This morning...about 3:30AM I heard a strange noise (loud enough to wake me up)....I say strange because it was one of the sleep dreaming noises, where you wonder whether it was real or dreamt. I got up to investigate...and after checking out the house, everything looked fine. However as I was returning to bed I noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). I went outside and checked for evidence of a brick or something, to find that there was no evidence that the door had been touched at all...the outer pane of glass was totalled unharmed, there were also no marks on the door. Is it possible for the sub-zero temperates to filter through an outer pane of double glazing and smash the inner pane? Would it be possible if the outer pane was old and/or unnoticable damaged? I'm starting to think that we have some type of Ghost which for some reason has become high-rate and decided to damage the window...if this is the case, you'd think that this Ghost would at least have warned us first before deciding to have a go at the window... |
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"Dean Jarratt" wrote in message ... Hi This morning...about 3:30AM I heard a strange noise (loud enough to wake me up)....I say strange because it was one of the sleep dreaming noises, where you wonder whether it was real or dreamt. I got up to investigate...and after checking out the house, everything looked fine. However as I was returning to bed I noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). I went outside and checked for evidence of a brick or something, to find that there was no evidence that the door had been touched at all...the outer pane of glass was totalled unharmed, there were also no marks on the door. Is it possible for the sub-zero temperates to filter through an outer pane of double glazing and smash the inner pane? Would it be possible if the outer pane was old and/or unnoticable damaged? I'm starting to think that we have some type of Ghost which for some reason has become high-rate and decided to damage the window...if this is the case, you'd think that this Ghost would at least have warned us first before deciding to have a go at the window... No, this is quite common, happened to me, again during cold weather. Window repairers say it happens regularly. Seems weird at the time though !! MrCheerful |
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MrCheerful wrote:
No, this is quite common, happened to me, again during cold weather. Window repairers say it happens regularly. Seems weird at the time though !! Not wishing to alarm you - but it also happened to my mums back door window after a local "yoof" decided to try and gain entry with the aid of a brick... no damage to the outside pane at all (a bit of brick dust on one spot mind you), but the inside started cracking and proceeded to carry on doing so for several minutes afterwards. Made a sound rather like ice cracking as it warms up apparently. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:44:13 -0000, Ziggur wrote:
In article , says... Hi I noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). I went outside and checked for evidence of a brick or something, to find that there was no evidence that the door had been touched at all...the outer pane of glass was totalled unharmed, there were also no marks on the door. I had a bathroom fanlight inner DG pane break on fireworks night? No sign of any impact or attack but there were a few VERY loud explosions nearby and it was very cold? All the best .. T i m |
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Dean Jarratt wrote:
This morning...about 3:30AM I heard a strange noise (loud enough to wake me up).... [ ] I got up to investigate...and [] noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). [] Is it possible for the sub-zero temperates to filter through an outer pane of double glazing and smash the inner pane? Would it be possible if the outer pane was old and/or unnoticable damaged? The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? J.B. |
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"Jerry Built" ] wrote in message
... Dean Jarratt wrote: This morning...about 3:30AM I heard a strange noise (loud enough to wake me up).... [ ] I got up to investigate...and [] noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). [] Is it possible for the sub-zero temperates to filter through an outer pane of double glazing and smash the inner pane? Would it be possible if the outer pane was old and/or unnoticable damaged? The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? The door is one of those white PVC doors, and the window is pretty much central...above a letterbox which is placed at just below half-way up the door. I'll have to check the outside pane again more thoroughly...I think. |
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"Dean Jarratt" wrote in message ... "Jerry Built" ] wrote in message ... Dean Jarratt wrote: This morning...about 3:30AM I heard a strange noise (loud enough to wake me up).... [ ] I got up to investigate...and [] noticed that the small double glazed window in the front door was cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed). [] Is it possible for the sub-zero temperates to filter through an outer pane of double glazing and smash the inner pane? Would it be possible if the outer pane was old and/or unnoticable damaged? The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? The door is one of those white PVC doors, and the window is pretty much central...above a letterbox which is placed at just below half-way up the door. I'll have to check the outside pane again more thoroughly...I think. One of my patio doors went in a similar manner (if it's any consolation), ie with no cause. As it happened the poxy company who had installed it had put the laminated sheet on the inside and the toughened one on the outside (the wrong way round) so there was no shattering, just a crack propagating across the pane. I assumed there had been a stress point at the edge somewhere, either due to damage or something trapped there which had developed into the crack. I know this was one crack and the OP had many but maybe his was toughened and just holding together? It was an insurance job as it exceeded the excess by enough but irritating in the extreme. -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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Bob Mannix wrote:
snip One of my patio doors went in a similar manner (if it's any consolation), ie with no cause. As it happened the poxy company who had installed it had put the laminated sheet on the inside and the toughened one on the outside (the wrong way round)... Just a small point: how can you tell if they're the wwrong way round? I've just had some windows installed in my loft conversion, and I can tell the builders got the bathroom windows back to front (patterned and textured bit on the outside), but how can I check that the clear-glass windows are the right way around? Regards Paul |
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Just a small point: how can you tell if they're the wwrong way round? I've just had some windows installed in my loft conversion, and I can tell the builders got the bathroom windows back to front (patterned and textured bit on the outside), but how can I check that the clear-glass windows are the right way around? Regards Paul Hmmm! It,s all getting a bit technical now. Historically, textured glass sealed units were installed with the texture on the inside pane. However - in order to conform to the FENSA standards many companies are using "K" (low E) glass to improve the overall U-value of the window. The low E coating is only fully effective on flat glass and is applied to the inside of the inside pane. Therefore if your bathroom window has a combination of Texture glass and "K" glass the Texture will be placed on the outside, harder to clean but more thermally efficient. How can you tell whether the clear glass windows are the right way round? There is a simple test that you could do by looking through the unit at a flame held on the inside BUT my advice would be to trust the installers. Some sceptics might be surprised to learn that they usually get it right. (But then I am biased ) |
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The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? J.B. Spontaneous disintegration of normal toughened glass is a well known and accepted fact within the industry. Pilkington makes a special type of toughened glass which "reduces the risk" (their words not mine) for situations where the normal risk is unacceptable. -- Ziggur "S'ils te mordent, mords-les" |
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Ziggur wrote:
Jerry Built wrote: The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? Spontaneous disintegration of normal toughened glass is a well known and accepted fact within the industry. Pilkington makes a special type of toughened glass which "reduces the risk" (their words not mine) for situations where the normal risk is unacceptable. The OP's description did not suggest toughened glass was in use (it "cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed"). For panes below a certain size toughened/laminated is not a requirement, as I should think you're aware. J.B. |
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Ziggur wrote:
snip How can you tell whether the clear glass windows are the right way round? There is a simple test that you could do by looking through the unit at a flame held on the inside BUT my advice would be to trust the installers. Some sceptics might be surprised to learn that they usually get it right. (But then I am biased ) Without wishing to offend my builders, who were hell-bent - despite my protestations - on building what they *thought* I wanted, as opposed to that which I had planning permission for (two separate, and, quite frankly, hugely different things), could you explain the test for me? Regards Paul |
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"Jerry Built" ] wrote in message
... Ziggur wrote: Jerry Built wrote: The only time I've heard of this happening it turned out that a plate fell of a wall hanging and bounced down the stairs, hitting the pane and breaking it. If it's a small pane, it's unlikely to be a thermal effect - consider the temperature differential, it's tiny. Where in the door is the glazing panel? What is the door made of? Spontaneous disintegration of normal toughened glass is a well known and accepted fact within the industry. Pilkington makes a special type of toughened glass which "reduces the risk" (their words not mine) for situations where the normal risk is unacceptable. The OP's description did not suggest toughened glass was in use (it "cracked quite badly (multiple cracks, almost on the point of being smashed"). For panes below a certain size toughened/laminated is not a requirement, as I should think you're aware. If I had to guess (I'm guessing because I'm not at home right now)...I'd say that the pane is 60cm by 30cm. The inner pane had no laminate on it, and was textured...I don't know what constitutes toughened glass, but there were shards of glass on the carpet where the postman normally posts letters I've had another look at the outer pane, and there is strictly no damage, no brick dust, no pellet marks, and I didn't hear any fireworks after I was awoken....I'm gonna have to go with the 'Spontaneous disintegration' theory on this one... |
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If I had to guess (I'm guessing because I'm not at home right now)...I'd say that the pane is 60cm by 30cm. The inner pane had no laminate on it, and was textured...I don't know what constitutes toughened glass, but there were shards of glass on the carpet where the postman normally posts letters I've had another look at the outer pane, and there is strictly no damage, no brick dust, no pellet marks, and I didn't hear any fireworks after I was awoken....I'm gonna have to go with the 'Spontaneous disintegration' theory on this one... You might like to check out http://www.thewindowman.co.uk/explode.htm Another bit of information. The pattern on standard texture glass is put onto the glass, before it hardens, with a roller. The roller imprints the pattern. This means that some parts of the glass (where the pattern is an indentation) are thinner than the standard 4mm/6mm used in a domestic door. It has been a recommendation for many years and a requirement more recently that safety glass (toughened or laminated) should be used in doors where any part of a pane falls below 1500mm from the floor. Your door will have safety glass in it and it will almost certainly be toughened. I suspect that your "shards" are actually granuals, You are going to need a new sealed unit -- Ziggur "S'ils te mordent, mords-les" |
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"Ziggur" wrote in message
t... If I had to guess (I'm guessing because I'm not at home right now)...I'd say that the pane is 60cm by 30cm. The inner pane had no laminate on it, and was textured...I don't know what constitutes toughened glass, but there were shards of glass on the carpet where the postman normally posts letters I've had another look at the outer pane, and there is strictly no damage, no brick dust, no pellet marks, and I didn't hear any fireworks after I was awoken....I'm gonna have to go with the 'Spontaneous disintegration' theory on this one... You might like to check out http://www.thewindowman.co.uk/explode.htm Excellent link....thanks for that. |
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