Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

At the moment I'm washing dishes by hand, which is easier with the 1.5
option but in the new kitchen I'll have a dishwasher, so I should only
occasionally have to wash things by hand and by definition, they'll
probably be large things such as grill pans and oven bits that won't
fit in the dishwasher. That makes me think the single bowl might be
best but I can't help thinking that there are probably other occasions
when having two bowls available would be useful...

If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

Having had a look at a few other Franke models on the site, the main
bowl on this one is actually the same size as some of the singles, so
does this seem like a good compromise option?

Cheers

Helen

In article . com,
writes:
Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

Definately suggest one and a half bowl option. You can still
pour something nasty down the sink when one bowl is in use.

At the moment I'm washing dishes by hand, which is easier with the 1.5
option but in the new kitchen I'll have a dishwasher, so I should only
occasionally have to wash things by hand and by definition, they'll
probably be large things such as grill pans and oven bits that won't
fit in the dishwasher. That makes me think the single bowl might be
best but I can't help thinking that there are probably other occasions
when having two bowls available would be useful...

If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

I've got an IKEA one which looks pretty much the same, but was
1/3rd of that price. The IKEA ones had a very nice low profile
edge compared with others I saw (can't recall if I looked at
a Franke).

Other suggestion I make is to mount the tap in the worktop
behind the sink, rather than in the sink itself. It makes the
tap much more rigid.

--
Andrew Gabriel

We have a Frankie 1.5 although ours has a separate drain for the
draining area. Advantage is that wet pots can drain without going into
the middle sink. We don't use the middle much!

In article . com,
writes
Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

At the moment I'm washing dishes by hand, which is easier with the 1.5
option but in the new kitchen I'll have a dishwasher, so I should only
occasionally have to wash things by hand and by definition, they'll
probably be large things such as grill pans and oven bits that won't
fit in the dishwasher. That makes me think the single bowl might be
best but I can't help thinking that there are probably other occasions
when having two bowls available would be useful...

If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

Having had a look at a few other Franke models on the site, the main
bowl on this one is actually the same size as some of the singles, so
does this seem like a good compromise option?

Cheers

Helen


--
John Alexander,

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wrote in message
ups.com...
Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

At the moment I'm washing dishes by hand, which is easier with the 1.5
option but in the new kitchen I'll have a dishwasher, so I should only
occasionally have to wash things by hand and by definition, they'll
probably be large things such as grill pans and oven bits that won't
fit in the dishwasher. That makes me think the single bowl might be
best but I can't help thinking that there are probably other occasions
when having two bowls available would be useful...

I can't see the point in a 1.5 - but I use abowl in my large sink. Thatmeans
that I don't use huge amounts ofwater and ifanythingneedspouringdown thesink
when I'm washing up thee'sno problem.

Two sinks, of whatever size, need twice the cleaningand are not usually as
capacious as one sometimes needs.That is, as I sometimes need - for large
items.

Mary

Just a note...
o Low profile lips are great re aesthetics
---- Franke come to mind here
o Low profile are a pain re splashing water
---- because it will permanently end up up all over the worktops & floor
o Low profile don't hold anything within them
---- any high water level, spills, dishes all slide over the lip

So if going for low profile...
o Ensure any worktops have laminate rolled under the edge
---- otherwise they will expand & shed due to moisture under-run
---- modern laminates do, just something to be sure of
o Use a proper height tap
---- so you can get a cordless kettle under it, milk bottles under it
---- not with the sink empty, but with the sinks full to the top

Yes Franke are nice - and you do want 1.5 bowl option.

Installation notes...
o Ensure the overflow is connected correctly & watertight
---- or you get small but continuous water damage to the surface below
o Ensure the sink sits down on the worktop & seals
---- particularly at the rear, because otherwise water ingress occurs
o Ensure the tile-to-worktop area behind the sink is properly sealed
---- it will be regularly splashed, many sealing strips are poor
o Measure the supplied plastic bowls & note their part numbers
---- many Franke use odd sized bowls re no others will fit :-)
---- either re physical size or curvature - Franke are 55-70ukp/set

All pretty obvious, but low height taps are a right pain with a Franke.
High profile sinks can look quite ugly & cheap, but more practical :-)

As for longevity the Franke ones are decent thickness, high grade,
and will last a lot longer than anything not built out of granite :-)
--
DB. Must stop using the hose to wash dishes I guess...

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Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?


The wife asked for one of these when I redid our kitchen last year. This
model was the only such I could find anywhere. As long as you get the full
accessory pack you can use it in effect as a two-bowl sink most of the time
but just lift the plastic bowl and stainless stell frame out when you want
one single large basin:

http://www.callde.co.uk/baumatic_bx30p_uragano_sink.asp

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
.. .
In article . com,
writes:
Hello,

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best
to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

Definately suggest one and a half bowl option. You can still
pour something nasty down the sink when one bowl is in use.

Concur! You can also 'rinse' with the 1/2 bowl while
hot sudsy water remains in the large bowl. I utilise the
1/2 bowl when hand-washing fragile stemmed wine-glasses.

At the moment I'm washing dishes by hand, which is easier with the
1.5
option but in the new kitchen I'll have a dishwasher, so I should
only
occasionally have to wash things by hand and by definition, they'll
probably be large things such as grill pans and oven bits that
won't
fit in the dishwasher.

My experience is that one 'needs' to finish-off many things
after the dishwasher. It's never hard work, but I don't know who
that girl is on the dishwasher tablet adverts who puts a manky
casserole dish into the dishwasher and extracts a gleaming
mirror finsh squeaky clean dish!

For washing oven racks etc, I 've finished up buying a
Lakeland Plastics big blue 'oven rack washing bowl'.
Lakeland sized it after a customer-survey into 'how
big is your widest grill pan/oven rack?' exercise.
It mostly sits out in the garage being deployed when needed.
I just plonk it on top of the sink under the taps and discharge
the water into the sink.
In other words - you don't necessarily need to size the sink
to accomodate the largest item you're likely to wash.


That makes me think the single bowl might be
best but I can't help thinking that there are probably other
occasions
when having two bowls available would be useful...

Whatever you decide; make certain that the tap design
permits you to get a finger cum cleaner around the base of
the pillar -and behind! One installation -since discarded-
had the tap controls right at the bottom of the pillar - it was
impossible to clean. Water drip would evaporate leaving a
limescale deposit. I used to soak it with vinegar, limescale remover
whatever .... the replacement has the taps above the
pillar base enabling a scourer to get right around the
pillar /sink interface.

HTH


--

Brian

wrote:

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

I can't see the point of a 1.5 bowled one myself: if you wash up using a
plastic washig up bowl inside the sink, you can still pour slops etc
down the sink outside the washing up bowl if you need to!

One time when I do think it would be a really good idea is if you have a
waste disposal gobbler thingy installed below the half-sink, though.
I always thought that was the main reason for the half-sink?

David

Lobster wrote:

wrote:

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

I can't see the point of a 1.5 bowled one myself: if you wash up using a
plastic washig up bowl inside the sink, you can still pour slops etc
down the sink outside the washing up bowl if you need to!

One time when I do think it would be a really good idea is if you have a
waste disposal gobbler thingy installed below the half-sink, though.
I always thought that was the main reason for the half-sink?

David

Thanks for the input (and to everyone else who replied) but I can't get
on with plastic washing up bowls - I usually find that they take up so
much of the sink that it's impossible to empty nasty stuff down the
outside without some of it going in the washing up water and rinsing is
a nightmare, too, as the run-off inevitably goes into the bowl (unless
you're more careful than I care to be when doing the washing up),
meaning that the washing water gets too diluted to finish a load
without having to empty and top it up again. I also hate the way the
bowl hangs around the place when not in use, getting in the way when
you're trying to drain spuds, etc.

Besides, didn't that E-Coli professor person (Hugh Pennington?) come
out a few years ago, saying they were breeding grounds for nasty bugs?
Or was that just if you didn't rinse your dishes after washing them?

Saying all that, I did like Brian's tip about getting an extra big
plastic bowl for the occasional monster items - I think I had heard
something about the Lakeland one but I thought it would be too big to
fit under standard taps and you would end up either emptying it over
the kitchen floor when trying to empty it, or having to use it in the
back garden.

Cheers

Helen

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article . com,
writes:
If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

I've got an IKEA one which looks pretty much the same, but was
1/3rd of that price. The IKEA ones had a very nice low profile
edge compared with others I saw (can't recall if I looked at
a Franke).

Other suggestion I make is to mount the tap in the worktop
behind the sink, rather than in the sink itself. It makes the
tap much more rigid.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Well, I don't have much personal experience of different manufacturers
but, having read some previous threads here on the subject, I thought
the consensus was that Ikea sinks were OK but if you wanted something
substantial that would last for years, it was worth spending a bit
extra and going for a brand like Franke. I hate building work, so this
kitchen needs to last for the forseeable but I'm open to ideas that
save me money if I don't need to spend it!

Anything will be an improvement on the horrible white (originally,
although it's actually mostly dark brown now) monstrosity I've got at
the moment, which was inherited from the previous owners. It seems to
be made from some kind of totally inappropriate material - a rough
white plastic that is impervious to cleaning materials yet scratches
easily and indelibly stains at the slightest hint of a teabag!

Cheers

Helen

In article .com,
writes:

Well, I don't have much personal experience of different manufacturers
but, having read some previous threads here on the subject, I thought
the consensus was that Ikea sinks were OK but if you wanted something
substantial that would last for years, it was worth spending a bit
extra and going for a brand like Franke. I hate building work, so this
kitchen needs to last for the forseeable but I'm open to ideas that
save me money if I don't need to spend it!

I've not seen any such comments about Ikea sinks.
It was was of the first bits of my refurbushment, and has
since been used for repeatedly washing up all my plastering,
rendering, and painting tools (which usually sit in it drying
until next use), and it still cleans up good as new. I'm
very pleased with it.

On reflection, I would not have bought an Ikea tap though.
The spout design is crap.

--
Andrew Gabriel

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:11:38 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

wrote:

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

I can't see the point of a 1.5 bowled one myself: if you wash up using a
plastic washig up bowl inside the sink, you can still pour slops etc
down the sink outside the washing up bowl if you need to!

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink



--
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Geoffrey wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:11:38 GMT, Lobster
wrote:


wrote:


I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

I can't see the point of a 1.5 bowled one myself: if you wash up using a
plastic washig up bowl inside the sink, you can still pour slops etc
down the sink outside the washing up bowl if you need to!


Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

David

I'd plump for the 1.5 bowl. There's no compunction on having to use the
0.5, and you can just add an inner bowl into the sink as others have
written. Smaller main bowl though.

Facilities I'd be interested in include one of those "rinsing" spray
taps, or perhaps
even a third tap that could be thermostatically set to a particular
temperature.

Mungo

Whatever else you do when you buy a new kichen sink, take a marble with
you and check it rolls towards the outlet wherever you leave it.
'Puddles' that don't drain properly leave a mess and irritate me!

FWIW, I am happy with my Blanco 1.5 bowl sink.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Lobster typed

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

David

It's not the plastic itself. If, for example, you wash muddy spuds in a
plastic bowl and then wash out the bowl, soil and grit will line the
sink and get ground into the sink surface when the washing-up bowl is
next filled.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
Lobster typed

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

David

It's not the plastic itself. If, for example, you wash muddy spuds in a
plastic bowl and then wash out the bowl, soil and grit will line the
sink and get ground into the sink surface when the washing-up bowl is
next filled.

Well, perhaps, but does it matter?

Mary

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

In article . com,
writes

If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

I have that exact same sink. In my opinion, the half bowl is only
useful if you plan to fit a waste disposal unit (which I did.)
Otherwise, it's a waste of space apart from the need to rise things
occasionally. The sink is okay otherwise; solid, usual good Franke
quality. The first one arrived with a very small dent in the main bowl;
the supplier immediately and cheerfully changed it out.

Consider whether the Franke chopping board would be useful. With having
a dishwasher, I don't use the draining board, so the chopping board
would have been useful to me so I could stand an appliance on it.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:50:37 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Geoffrey wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:11:38 GMT, Lobster
wrote:



Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

Yes

--
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

"Mary Fisher" typed


Well, perhaps, but does it matter?

Maybe it does to others...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 09:02:19 GMT, "Brian Sharrock"
wrote:

My experience is that one 'needs' to finish-off many things
after the dishwasher. It's never hard work, but I don't know who
that girl is on the dishwasher tablet adverts who puts a manky
casserole dish into the dishwasher and extracts a gleaming
mirror finsh squeaky clean dish!

Hi,

I've found soaking the worst bits overnight in a strong solution of
laundry detergent (I use 'Shout' stain remover) makes a big
difference.

cheers,
Pete.

Mike Tomlinson typed


In article . com,
writes

If I was to go for a 1.5 model, I'm considering getting this one:

http://www.trade-appliances.co.uk/_6...ke_VIX651.html

I have that exact same sink. In my opinion, the half bowl is only
useful if you plan to fit a waste disposal unit (which I did.)
Otherwise, it's a waste of space apart from the need to rise things
occasionally. The sink is okay otherwise; solid, usual good Franke
quality. The first one arrived with a very small dent in the main bowl;
the supplier immediately and cheerfully changed it out.

Consider whether the Franke chopping board would be useful. With having
a dishwasher, I don't use the draining board, so the chopping board
would have been useful to me so I could stand an appliance on it.



I find my half bowl useful for:

1) washing hands after using my basinless downstairs loo.
2) Soaking stuck-on dishes.
3) Putting large or greasy things to soak while I do the other washing up.
4) Rinsing muddy veg and keeping soil out of my washing up.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:08:39 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
Lobster typed

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

David

It's not the plastic itself. If, for example, you wash muddy spuds in a
plastic bowl and then wash out the bowl, soil and grit will line the
sink and get ground into the sink surface when the washing-up bowl is
next filled.

Well, perhaps, but does it matter?


That depends on two things:

A - do you care if your kitchen sink always looks dirty?

and

B - do you enjoy cleaning?

If the answer to A is No and/or the answer to B is Yes then no, it
doesn't matter.

An unscratched sink can be cleaned with just a wipe. A scratched sink
needs cleaning and often bleaching.

I hate housework but I like a clean kitchen, therefore I would never
have a plastic bowl in the sink.

All that quite apart from the fact that it looks really naff...

--
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

wrote in message
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Lobster wrote:

wrote:

I'm planning a new kitchen which, amongst other stuff, will
involve
buying a new sink. The trouble is, I'm not sure if it would be
best to
go for a larger single bowled sink or for the one and a half bowl
option. Does anyone here have any strong feelings/recommendations
either way?

I can't see the point of a 1.5 bowled one myself: if you wash up
using a
plastic washig up bowl inside the sink, you can still pour slops
etc
down the sink outside the washing up bowl if you need to!

One time when I do think it would be a really good idea is if you
have a
waste disposal gobbler thingy installed below the half-sink,
though.
I always thought that was the main reason for the half-sink?

David

Thanks for the input (and to everyone else who replied) but I can't
get
on with plastic washing up bowls - I usually find that they take up
so
much of the sink that it's impossible to empty nasty stuff down the
outside without some of it going in the washing up water and rinsing
is
a nightmare, too, as the run-off inevitably goes into the bowl
(unless
you're more careful than I care to be when doing the washing up),
meaning that the washing water gets too diluted to finish a load
without having to empty and top it up again. I also hate the way the
bowl hangs around the place when not in use, getting in the way when
you're trying to drain spuds, etc.

Besides, didn't that E-Coli professor person (Hugh Pennington?) come
out a few years ago, saying they were breeding grounds for nasty
bugs?
Or was that just if you didn't rinse your dishes after washing them?

Saying all that, I did like Brian's tip about getting an extra big
plastic bowl for the occasional monster items - I think I had heard
something about the Lakeland one but I thought it would be too big
to
fit under standard taps and you would end up either emptying it over
the kitchen floor when trying to empty it, or having to use it in
the
back garden.

Cheers

Helen

The Lakeland big plastic bowl can be found on;-
http://www.lakelandlimited.co.uk/product.aspx/solutions/kitchencleanup!20228

I haven't got it out of the garage to check - but it's about
four inches deep.
The URL gives 21+3/4 " x 15+3/4" but doesn't give a depth.
It helps when doing racks etc. because one can keep the rack
submerged. When attempting to clean such items in the sink
before acquiring it one has to do the racks as 'a game of two halves'.
I've never had any problem ;-
AAA balancing it over the 1+1/2 sink;
BBB filling it from the taps;
CCC (carefully) emptuing the water into the sink bowl.

HTH

--

Brian

In message . com,
writes
Thanks for the input (and to everyone else who replied) but I can't get
on with plastic washing up bowls - I usually find that they take up so
much of the sink that it's impossible to empty nasty stuff down the
outside without some of it going in the washing up water and rinsing is
a nightmare, too, as the run-off inevitably goes into the bowl (unless
you're more careful than I care to be when doing the washing up),
meaning that the washing water gets too diluted to finish a load
without having to empty and top it up again. I also hate the way the
bowl hangs around the place when not in use, getting in the way when
you're trying to drain spuds, etc.

How about a full two bowl sink?
Not very common, but I find it dead useful. Indeed I am replacing a
'orrible composite two-bowl with a new stainless of the same pattern.

http://www.insinks.co.uk/acatalog/In_sinks_Smeg_sinks__16.html
DB116 about halfway down the page.

Stuff can pile up / soak in one bowl, then get washed in the second
bowl.

--
steve

Brian Sharrock wrote:
The Lakeland big plastic bowl can be found on;-
http://www.lakelandlimited.co.uk/product.aspx/solutions/kitchencleanup!20228

Alternatively, your local garden centre will have a potting up tray,
probably at a lower price. Works equally well and has holes for the
brushes etc to stand up in.

Regards
Capitol

Geoffrey wrote:

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink



IME EVERYTHING scratches a SS sink. Just get used to the patina!

Regards
Capitol

1) washing hands after using my basinless downstairs loo.

I thought all loos had to have hand-washing facilities as a
requirement?

Mungo

Mungo wrote:
1) washing hands after using my basinless downstairs loo.

I thought all loos had to have hand-washing facilities as a
requirement?

Ewwwwww. Wouldn't you rather wash your hands in a wash basin?

"Mungo" typed



1) washing hands after using my basinless downstairs loo.

I thought all loos had to have hand-washing facilities as a
requirement?

I think that's right, but the loo was there when I moved in. I don't
know how long ago it was installed, or whether some building regs
exception was made. (I think this was the case when my late grandmother
had similar installed a while ago)

I am not minded to make a fuss, can't see any space for a washbasin and
NEED that loo...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Geoffrey" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:08:39 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
.. .
Lobster typed

Plastic washing up bowls scratch the sink

?? more than all the metal washing-up bouncing round in the bottom of
the sink?

David

It's not the plastic itself. If, for example, you wash muddy spuds in a
plastic bowl and then wash out the bowl, soil and grit will line the
sink and get ground into the sink surface when the washing-up bowl is
next filled.

Well, perhaps, but does it matter?


That depends on two things:

A - do you care if your kitchen sink always looks dirty?

puzzled

It doesn't ...

and

B - do you enjoy cleaning?

It IS satisfying, but I only need to give a quick wipe round the sink once a
day - unless he's been cleaning paint brushes or the like :-)


An unscratched sink can be cleaned with just a wipe. A scratched sink
needs cleaning and often bleaching.

Bleaching? Oh come on!

Our sink was second hand when we got it, in the 1970s. It's stainless steel,
substantial and has a draner at each side. This was in the days before 1
1/2sinks, which I could never understand so haven't been tempted to replace
it. If it ain't broke ... I like a capacious sink in which I can clean 30lb
honey buckets, fill watering cans (before we fitted an outside tap and then
installed butts), I sometimes like to hand wash large woollen items in the
sink and it works well for that. Occasionally I need to gut a hare or skin a
duck over the sink, modern ones aren't big enough to catch the debris. If I
need to clean a large piece of timber, plastic or metal I need space.

Something I intensely dislike about many modern sinks is that they're 'set
in' counter tops rather than being integral with the drainers. That means
that you have to lean further over to use them, which would be bad for my
back and, I suggest, most people's.

I hate housework but I like a clean kitchen, therefore I would never
have a plastic bowl in the sink.

I don't think a plastic bowl isn't clean. Modern onesare extremely easy to
keep clean with just a wipe.

All that quite apart from the fact that it looks really naff...

Well, I have more important and indeed interesting things to look at than my
sink :-)

I've just re-read the body of the postabove andrealise that the subjectwasa
plasticsing.

Well, they ARE awful and scratch easily and perhaps DO need bleaching, I
wouldn't give one houseroom. We don't even have them in the caravans or
tent.

I apologise for misunderstanding.

Mary

In article , Mary Fisher
wrote:

Something I intensely dislike about many modern sinks is that they're
'set in' counter tops rather than being integral with the drainers.
That means that you have to lean further over to use them, which would
be bad for my back and, I suggest, most people's.

Agreed. We used to have a good old (1960's) integral stainless
sink/drainer that covered the entire double base unit instead of the
worktop. This was far better at containing splashes and spills than the
current smaller inset units, I'd like to fit something similar when we
refit the current kitchen but they seem hard to find now, anyone know of
a decent source of supply?

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Mike Clarke

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:28:40 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

I am not minded to make a fuss, can't see any space for a washbasin and
NEED that loo...

You can get cistern-top washbasins for minimal space installs.

Andy Dingley typed


On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:28:40 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

I am not minded to make a fuss, can't see any space for a washbasin and
NEED that loo...

You can get cistern-top washbasins for minimal space installs.

Yebbut this loo is below a staircase and there's no available height there.

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Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

"Helen Deborah Vecht" wrote in message
...
Andy Dingley typed


On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:28:40 GMT, Helen Deborah Vecht
wrote:

I am not minded to make a fuss, can't see any space for a washbasin and
NEED that loo...

You can get cistern-top washbasins for minimal space installs.

Yebbut this loo is below a staircase and there's no available height
there.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.


Could you please provide a link to the cistern-top washbasins you refer to.
It might be the answer to my problems.

Google turns up very little

Thanks

Mungo wrote:
1) washing hands after using my basinless downstairs loo.

I thought all loos had to have hand-washing facilities as a requirement?

Maybe by current regs. But they don't need to be applied
retrospectively ..

My upstairs loo is basin-less as installed in the 50's. My new loo,
signed off by the BCO, needed a specific size opening window, waste
pipes with a specific diameter and drop and I provided handwash
facilities, whether required by regs or not (!)

Cheers,

Paul.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:37:38 -0000, "mikes" wrote:

Could you please provide a link to the cistern-top washbasins you refer to.

Don't have one to hand - I suspect the ones I saw may have been Japanese
in origin. I think one of the posh bathroom shops in Bristol has them.