Andy Hall wrote:
there's enough material here for an entire conference.

There's enough material in Drivel for an entire new genre of psychiatry.

Owain

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:44:31 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

g on top will make it probaly over £300. Some combi's
are
not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @ 1 metre, of
sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot water. Best go
for an additional combi.

Is there a combi guild or something like that?

Do you wnat to join?

No. I am too much of an individualist and this smacks of
one-size-fits-all.


I noted from a recent article
published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on
green field sites.

That is because they are victims of propaganda. Tell people less than 7.5 %
of the land is built on and they don't believe it; you never knew until I
told you.


Actually I did and most people are happy with that scenario. In fact
84% of people are against green belt reduction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4740545.stm


Your "logic" is rather like asking people to vote in a referendum.
Keep asking them until they give you the answer you want..

Really not very convincing, and most people can see through it.


They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.

More to do with democracy I would say.



I suppose that the remaining 30% think
that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger,

Was that in the survey too?

I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair
is an honest man.

Still brainwashed by Thatcher and the Tory party aren't you. The Tory party
has nothing to give 95% of the people of this country whatsoever.

Interesting observation since Tony Blurr has policies that are
regularly to the right of the good Baroness.



We could all vote for them again, and have all those people living on the
streets and mass poverty again. ..and have them issue free Makita's to
Little Middle Englanders to put up high fences so they can't see the council
houses.


The Makitas would be a good idea anyway. The homless situation has
changed little, probably because the homeless have been convinced that
a quick and short term fix with three year warranty is the way to go.

It never is.



--

..andy

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On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:48:25 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:03:44 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"raden" wrote in message
news In message , Capitol
writes


Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an
inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

You don't need to. A slow Google will reveal all!

Do it

out the bugger

There are strange lunatics here. I couldn't be bothered about someone
else.
You are one of those pathetic types that stands out all night to watch
the Queen
the next day.

So you admit to being selfish.

No. I'm not selfish.

But by your definition, individualism is an anathema. you can't have
it both ways.

I'm an individualist and feel that people should be responsible for
themselves. If, and only if that is exhausted, there could be a
discussion involving the state, but only then.

Your ethos appears to be opposed to that.


You don't like the idea of
organisations, trade bodies and centres
of excellence, believing that
these are unqualified (even thiough you
are unqualified yourself).

Great in theory, but far too many are self interest groups.

Exactly... like any form of organised labour arrangement.
Fundamentally it doesn't work.



I am shocked. I thought that you
were a good socialist.

I am Mr Citizen himself.

Citizen Smith? Didn't he have pictures of Che on his wall?




Clearly some animals are more equal
than others.

Like snakes?


Especially snakes. They go about their business and one knows
exactly where one is.... A tip though. Don't kiss them.



I'm devasted at how you've
let down the Politburo.
Lenin would turn in his tomb and Henry
wotsisname would wet his armchair.

The Tory red under the bed brainwashing is surfacing.

Not really. I can remember the films of Brezhnev standing on top of
Lenin's tomb in Red Square for the May Day parades as the soldiers
marched by alongside the missile launchers. It was real
showmanship. I visited Moscow not long ago and the seven illuminated
and revolving red stars on the Kremlin have been joined by an eighth
on another building belonging to Mercedes.
Lenin's tomb is diminutive and in the corner of the square, with the
GUM store being far more siginificant. In past times, this was
restricted to the animals who were more equal than others. Nowadays
it is not significant.

The realism of the free market has replaced the nonsense.



Her Majesty is not amused.

I would have them totally gone and then most of us can be amused.

Rather difficult since you are not a CORGI

In fact though, more than half the population support the concept and
practice of the monarchy.


--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:44:31 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

g on top will make it probaly over £300. Some combi's
are
not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @ 1 metre,
of
sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot water. Best
go
for an additional combi.

Is there a combi guild or something like that?

Do you wnat to join?

No. I am too much of an individualist and this smacks of
one-size-fits-all.

You are also a very silly individual who has little of a clue.

I noted from a recent article
published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on
green field sites.

That is because they are victims of propaganda. Tell people less than
7.5 %
of the land is built on and they don't believe it; you never knew until I
told you.


Actually I did

You never, so don't tell lies.

and most people are happy with that scenario.

Most people don't know.

In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4740545.stm

Your "logic" is rather like asking
people to vote in a referendum.
Keep asking them until they give
you the answer you want..

No. Inform them of the facts. Then how the facts severly affect their
quality of life, then they will not be like sheep.

Really not very convincing, and most people can see through it.

I can see right through the lot. You don't need much brains to see the
scam.

They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.

More to do with democracy I would say.

More to do with igniornace of the facts. I see no votes over land.

I suppose that the remaining 30% think
that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger,

Was that in the survey too?

I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair
is an honest man.

Still brainwashed by Thatcher and the Tory party aren't you. The Tory
party
has nothing to give 95% of the people of this country whatsoever.

Interesting observation since Tony Blurr has policies that are
regularly to the right of the good Baroness.

You are confused. Very much so.

We could all vote for them again, and have all those people living on the
streets and mass poverty again. ..and have them issue free Makita's to
Little Middle Englanders to put up high fences so they can't see the
council
houses.

The Makitas would be a good idea anyway. The homless situation has
changed little,

You are in cloud cuckoo land.

Now the silly BBC article, with me putting them right:


The Tories are accusing ministers of turning the green belt into an "elastic
band" as a study suggests 84% of people oppose building on undeveloped land.


Where are people to live then? Boy some people are stupid.


Mori interviewed 931 people in England between 30 June and 4 July 2005 for
the Campaign to Protect Rural England.


Wow! 931 people out of 60 million. Campaign to Protect Rural England is a
landowners self interest group. Large landowners formed it.


The results are revealed on the 50th anniversary of the first government
circular telling councils to look at designating areas of green belt land.
But ministers insist the green belt is being "maintained and increased".
They say there are controls to stop inappropriate development in green belt
areas.
Campaign to Protect Rural England (CPRE) head of planning Henry Oliver said
it was "under threat as never before".


The Green Belt is a nonsense, and curtails growth of communities.


He blamed "government plans for massive housing growth" in south-east
England,


Where the f**k are we going to live?


"speculators selling plots to gullible investors for silly prices way above
agricultural value", and proposed new roads and airport runways.


Free up all land and quick buck merchants and taxpayers subsidised council
estates disappear.


These "cast a concrete blight


"concrete blight" propagada words aimed the hard of thinking. A number of
Green organisations are fronts for rich large landowers too.


over some of the finest countryside within easy reach of big urban areas"
and threatened "to relax the belt that has held the line against urban
sprawl for decades", Mr Oliver added.


People should be living amongst the countryside, not having to bus or drive
into see it. And see it is all you do, as you can't walk on it.


"Green belts need to be resolutely defended from these threats, yet even
professional planners, who should be their strongest defenders, sometimes
scoff at green belts as too simple and too restrictive to be a proper
planning tool.


The above is very correct.


"They and the government need to listen to the vast majority of people, who
as our poll shows, are green belt fans."


The government should tell the people the real truth about land, its: usage,
ownership, access, economic benefits, biggest benefactors of the land,etc,
etc.


CPRE members will walk London's green belt on 21 August.
In September, they will cycle through the West Midlands, Gloucester,
Cheltenham, Cambridge, Oxford and London green belts.


Silly pillocks.


The government says the total area of green belt land in England has
increased by about 19,000 hectares (47,000 acres) since 1997, with about a
further potential 12,000 hectares (29,640 acres) proposed in emerging local
plans.


Most of the Green Belt is not public land. It is NOT accessible by the
public. The Green Belt might be a good idea if it was fully open heathland
with full access by the public. It is clearly not, so worth anything to
anybody. All town and city dwellers can do is drive through it on A roads
and look from the windows of the vehicles. The Green Belt is a waste of
time.


"Nationally, a record 70% of all new building is now on brown-field land
compared with 56% in 1997.


The above is disgusting. Most of this Brownfield land should be made in to
heath and parks, so people can live amongst nature, not on top of each
other.


'Girdle'
Conservative shadow local government secretary Caroline Spelman said green
belt had increased in areas where there was little development pressure.
But it had been removed in areas of high housing demand, with 2,500 acres of
green belt built over each year.


Great approach.


"The green belt should be a girdle but what we have seen in the last eight
years is that it has been made into an elastic band," she said.


It shouldn't be there in the first place.


Phil Woolas, a minister in the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister
spokesman, said 70% of new developments were on previously developed
brownfield sites.
He said: "Our policy is to strengthen the green belt and to ensure that is a
regional criteria, not a national criteria to avoid the problem that there
may be a shift to the other regions outside the South East."


The Home counties are underpopulated - Kate Barkers report.

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:49:21 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message


and most people are happy with that scenario.

Most people don't know.


This is the classic justification of any tyrant.



In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4740545.stm

Your "logic" is rather like asking
people to vote in a referendum.
Keep asking them until they give
you the answer you want..

No. Inform them of the facts. Then how the facts severly affect their
quality of life, then they will not be like sheep.

Trotsky said this.




Really not very convincing, and most people can see through it.

I can see right through the lot. You don't need much brains to see the
scam.

They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.

More to do with democracy I would say.

More to do with igniornace of the facts. I see no votes over land.

Of course. Most people are perfectly happy with the status quo.




I suppose that the remaining 30% think
that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger,

Was that in the survey too?

I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair
is an honest man.

Still brainwashed by Thatcher and the Tory party aren't you. The Tory
party
has nothing to give 95% of the people of this country whatsoever.

Interesting observation since Tony Blurr has policies that are
regularly to the right of the good Baroness.

You are confused. Very much so.

Trouble is, I'm not; and that's awkward to the obfuscators.



We could all vote for them again, and have all those people living on the
streets and mass poverty again. ..and have them issue free Makita's to
Little Middle Englanders to put up high fences so they can't see the
council
houses.

The Makitas would be a good idea anyway. The homless situation has
changed little,



Where the f**k are we going to live?

Most people are happy with their houses and understand that they can
buy something more if they wish to do so.

This is a difficult concept when you work on a counter in a plumber's
merchant, I understand.




"Nationally, a record 70% of all new building is now on brown-field land
compared with 56% in 1997.


The above is disgusting. Most of this Brownfield land should be made in to
heath and parks, so people can live amongst nature, not on top of each
other.


It's actually very good environmentally. Some brownfield sites are
useful for nature, but many are not.

It is not consistent to be advocating pseudo environmentalism on the
one hand such as inappropriate insulation that makes little
difference, while on the other to be suggesting use of natural
environment for building.


--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

In message , Andy Hall
writes


Is there a combi guild or something like that? A deeper magic (in CS
Lewis speak)? Please tell us and we will understand that there is a
Deeper Magic here.

I noted from a recent article published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on green field sites. I suppose
that the remaining 30% think that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger, Bush's foreign policy and send helicopters to
Mozambique.

Clearly these people never run out of hot water either and firmly
believe that extracting a quart from a pint pot is eminently possible.
They also believe that water and gas supply provisioning is infinite
and that Poxi Batterton is a quality manufacturer. I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair is an honest man.

The closest approach to an honest man in NuLabia has just snuffed it


--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Andy Hall
writes


Is there a combi guild or something like that? A deeper magic (in CS
Lewis speak)? Please tell us and we will understand that there is a
Deeper Magic here.

I noted from a recent article published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on green field sites. I suppose
that the remaining 30% think that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger, Bush's foreign policy and send helicopters to
Mozambique.

Clearly these people never run out of hot water either and firmly
believe that extracting a quart from a pint pot is eminently possible.
They also believe that water and gas supply provisioning is infinite
and that Poxi Batterton is a quality manufacturer. I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair is an honest man.

The closest approach to an honest man in NuLabia has just snuffed it

Maxie, I know you do like to have fun.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

Is there a combi guild or something like that?

Do you wnat to join?

I noted from a recent article
published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on
green field sites.

That is because they are victims of propaganda. Tell people less than 7.5 %
of the land is built on and they don't believe it; you never knew until I
told you. They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.


Aha, alles klar

You're one of D Icke's disciples

I demand my £5

--
geoff

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

Well this plumber, like you,

I'm not a plumber.

Well, what are you then ?

Heating engineer.

So, what professional body do you belong to ?

None. I don't like cliques, clans and clubs. Are you in the Morris
dancing
club?

Sorry mate, it's 20 yearrs since I did any morris dancing

Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?


Ha ha ... not

all three of the SDIs I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

BMW for me nowadays

--
geoff

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:49:21 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message


and most people are happy with that scenario.

Most people don't know.

This is the classic justification of any tyrant.

Which tyrant is that?

In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4740545.stm

Your "logic" is rather like asking
people to vote in a referendum.
Keep asking them until they give
you the answer you want..

No. Inform them of the facts. Then how
the facts severly affect their
quality of life, then they will not be like sheep.

Trotsky said this.

He never, I did. Boy are you dumb.

Really not very convincing, and most people can see through it.

I can see right through the lot. You don't need much brains to see the
scam.

They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking
landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.

More to do with democracy I would say.

More to do with igniornace of the facts. I see no votes over land.

Of course. Most people
are perfectly happy with the status quo.

Most are ignorant of the facts , which have been kept from them.

I suppose that the remaining 30% think
that it is and believe that combis cure
world hunger,

Was that in the survey too?

I imagine that
they still believe that Tony Blair
is an honest man.

Still brainwashed by Thatcher and the Tory party aren't you. The Tory
party
has nothing to give 95% of the people of this country whatsoever.

Interesting observation since Tony Blurr has policies that are
regularly to the right of the good Baroness.

You are confused. Very much so.

Trouble is, I'm not;

I'm afraid you are.

We could all vote for them again, and have all those people living on
the
streets and mass poverty again. ..and have them issue free Makita's
to
Little Middle Englanders to put up high fences so they can't see the
council
houses.

The Makitas would be a good idea anyway. The homless situation has
changed little,

Where the f**k are we going to live?

Most people are happy with their
houses

They are not. They would like bigger and cheraper houses.

and understand that they can
buy something more if they
wish to do so.

Most people cannot buy bigger as they are hocked up paying for one tiny
shack.


"Nationally, a record 70% of all new building is now on brown-field land
compared with 56% in 1997.


The above is disgusting. Most of this Brownfield land should be made in
to
heath and parks, so people can live amongst nature, not on top of each
other.

It's actually very good environmentally.
Some brownfield sites are
useful for nature, but many are not.

About 1% is used for nature. Disgusting.

It is not consistent to be advocating
pseudo environmentalism on the
one hand such as inappropriate
insulation that makes little
difference,

All insulation makes a difference.

while on the other to be suggesting use of natural
environment for building.

You are mad. And coming from someone who drives around in a filthy diesel
4x4 with the aerodynamics of a brick. You are a one man pollution machine.

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
there's enough material here for an entire conference.

There's enough material in Drivel for an entire new genre of psychiatry.

Ouch de noo.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:34:05 +0100, Matt
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an
inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

there's enough material here for an entire conference.

Do you go Googling on other people for days on end? You pervo!

I think that "outing" you is the only way for this NG to return to
normality

You are no more than a source of noise and waste of bandwidth here

--
geoff

In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

--
geoff

In article ,
Matt wrote:
My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and noise
and vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish tank pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar

Now that would give a decent shower. ;-)

--
*You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and
noise and vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish
tank pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar
£203.28 trade

....plus VAT, which means you will be pay closer to £300, then the
flexible and other fitting on top will make it probaly over £300. Some
combi's are not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @
1 metre, of sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot
water. Best go for an additional combi.

Give the cost of a combi or combis to give 34 litres per minute at a
constant 60C under *all* conditions - if you actually have 4.75 bar mains
pressure, which is very unlikely. And the cost of upgrading the gas and
water mains to make this possible.

Since you're now into bar room betting, it would be interesting to find
out what you actually know.

--
*If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
raden wrote:
Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?

Ha ha ... not

all three of the SD1s I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

Just got my '85 Vitesse back from the body shop after a complete respray.
And despite the reputation for rust, all that needed replacing were a
couple of door skins, and that through poorly repaired damage. And it's
lived outside since I bought in in '87. Will take a week to put all the
trim back on, though. ;-) But it looks stunning, although the bonnet will
have to be painted again. Fish eyes everywhere. ;-)

BMW for me nowadays

Me too, for the everyday car. Couldn't be doing with a so called economy
car like the Prius that looks ridiculous and only does 23 mpg when
pressed. And less than my 150mph car at a constant 70 or so. In town, I
use public transport.

--
*Nostalgia isn't what is used to be.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

Is there a combi guild or something like that?

Do you wnat to join?

I noted from a recent article
published by the BBC that over 70% of
people are not in favour of building on
green field sites.

That is because they are victims of propaganda. Tell people less than
7.5 %
of the land is built on and they don't believe it; you never knew until I
told you. They are so indoctrinated that they think half the country is
paved. Well your sycophantic ways would to keep the stinking landowning
rich, very rich. Must something to do with reptiles.

Aha, alles klar

You're one of D Icke's disciples

Maxie, alas I do not have the reptiles....or climb a tree.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

Well this plumber, like you,

I'm not a plumber.

Well, what are you then ?

Heating engineer.

So, what professional body do you belong to ?

None. I don't like cliques, clans and clubs. Are you in the Morris
dancing
club?

Sorry mate, it's 20 yearrs since I did any morris dancing

Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?


Ha ha ... not

all three of the SDIs I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

BMW for me nowadays

How sad. How naff. How Essex. And...

....How unreliable.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 09:34:05 +0100, Matt
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an
inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

there's enough material here for an entire conference.

Do you go Googling on other people for days on end? You pervo!

I think that "outing" you is the only way for this NG to return to
normality

Maxie, I know you were outed, with your frock wearing. up trees, on beaches,
Morris Dancing and swearing in Watford town centre.

Maxie?

You are no more than a source of noise and waste of bandwidth here

Maxie, I don't swear here, I just wax lyrical. Do you have snakes too?

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How
about setting up a fund to pay an inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts
there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

Maxie, you are a one. Obviously a weirdo too.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes
Well this plumber, like you,

I'm not a plumber.

Well, what are you then ?

Heating engineer.

So, what professional body do you belong to ?

None. I don't like cliques, clans and clubs. Are you in the Morris
dancing
club?

Sorry mate, it's 20 yearrs since I did any morris dancing

Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?


Ha ha ... not

all three of the SDIs I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

BMW for me nowadays

How sad.

Why sad, it gets me from point A to point B.

How naff.

Nothing naff about it. It's a car, it's a comfortable ride, and it goes,
it does about 130mph which is fast enough for me

How Essex.

Why are you such a dickhead?

And...

...How unreliable.


It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

The only reason you seem to frequent this NG is to impress people with
your "knowledge" (and fail miserably) or e.g. the cars you claim to have
(although you seem incapable of answering questions about them that any
owner should know)




--
geoff

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes
I think that "outing" you is the only way for this NG to return to
normality

Maxie, I know you were outed, with your frock wearing. up trees, on beaches,
Morris Dancing and swearing in Watford town centre.

Maxie?

You are no more than a source of noise and waste of bandwidth here

Maxie, I don't swear here, I just wax lyrical. Do you have snakes too?

He's forgotten to take his Calgon tablets again, hasn't he

--
geoff

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How
about setting up a fund to pay an inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts
there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

Maxie, you are a one. Obviously a weirdo too.

I think the time has come to track you down

your presence is a disruptive influence in this NG


--
geoff

In article ,
raden wrote:
In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an
inquiry agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

So is mine if you look at the sig. And I'm curious. Very curious. ;-)
Do a Google search on me, and you get straight to my IBS 'advert'. Can't
see why John, Adam, IMM, Drivel, or whatever the latest name is, would
want to hide from getting work from his postings here and elsewhere. If he
is, as he claims, a heating engineer designing on a freelance basis.

As if.

The van driver for a PM is the best guess. With a good ear for those he
delivers to. And plenty of catalogues from work.

--
*All generalizations are false.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes
Well this plumber, like you,

I'm not a plumber.

Well, what are you then ?

Heating engineer.

So, what professional body do you belong to ?

None. I don't like cliques, clans and clubs. Are you in the
Morris
dancing
club?

Sorry mate, it's 20 yearrs since I did any morris dancing

Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?


Ha ha ... not

all three of the SDIs I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

BMW for me nowadays

How sad.

Why sad, it gets me from point A to point B.

How naff.

Nothing naff about it. It's a car, it's a comfortable ride, and it goes,
it does about 130mph which is fast enough for me

How Essex.

Why are you such a dickhead?

And...

...How unreliable.

It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

Maxie, on Top Gear tonight, it is the only car so bad they would not let it
onto the cool board, BMs are so bad. Get a Prius.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes
I think that "outing" you is the only way for this NG to return to
normality

Maxie, I know you were outed, with your frock wearing. up trees, on
beaches,
Morris Dancing and swearing in Watford town centre.

Maxie?

You are no more than a source of noise and waste of bandwidth here

Maxie, I don't swear here, I just wax lyrical. Do you have snakes too?

He's forgotten to take his Calgon tablets again, hasn't he

Maxie, snakes have scale on the outside, do you rub them with the tablets?

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How
about setting up a fund to pay an inquiry
agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts
there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

Maxie, you are a one. Obviously a weirdo too.

I think the time has come to track you down

your presence is a disruptive influence in this NG

Maxie. it is clear you were not chastised as a child.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
raden wrote:
In message , Matt
writes
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

The 64,000 dollar question. How about setting up a fund to pay an
inquiry agent to find out? I'll bung in a few quid. ;-)

No need, with the right contacts there is a huge file of info
available. Very interesting reading.

My email addy is valid ...

So is mine if you look at the sig. And I'm curious. Very curious. ;-)
Do a Google search on me, and you get straight to my IBS 'advert'. Can't
see why John, Adam, IMM, Drivel, or whatever the latest name is, would
want to hide from getting work from his postings here and elsewhere. If he
is, as he claims, a heating engineer designing on a freelance basis.

As if.

The van driver for a PM is the best guess. With a good ear for those he
delivers to. And plenty of catalogues from work.

Total madness. Madness.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ws.net,
Doctor Drivel wrote:
My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and
noise and vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish
tank pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar
£203.28 trade

....plus VAT, which means you will be pay closer to £300, then the
flexible and other fitting on top will make it probaly over £300. Some
combi's are not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @
1 metre, of sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot
water. Best go for an additional combi.

Give the cost of a combi or combis

snip total and utter drivel

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Matt wrote:
My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and noise
and vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish tank
pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar

Now that would give a decent shower. ;-)

At a cost and that is a cheapo. Look at the proper pumps.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

...How unreliable.

It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

Maxie, on Top Gear tonight, it is the only car so bad they would not let it
onto the cool board,

Do you really think I GAF ?


BMs are so bad. Get a Prius.


I've got a drive of about 800 miles next weekend - no thanks

--
geoff

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
raden wrote:
Whre you promoted to Rover dancing?

Ha ha ... not

all three of the SD1s I had have prolly gone to the drivel depot in the
sky to be converted into Priuses

Just got my '85 Vitesse back from the body shop after a complete respray.

You mean you never scrapped it?

BMW for me nowadays

Me too, for the everyday car.

BMW? It is getting worse now. How cheap and naff you are.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

...How unreliable.

It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

Maxie, on Top Gear tonight, it is the only car so bad they would not let
it
onto the cool board,

Do you really think I GAF ?

You obviously don't otherwise you would not have an Essexmobile.

BMs are so bad. Get a Prius.

I've got a drive of about 800 miles
next weekend - no thanks

Well you will to wait a number of months for a Prius. Maxie, get rid of
that crap ASAP.

In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

...How unreliable.

It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

Maxie, on Top Gear tonight, it is the only car so bad they would not let
it
onto the cool board,

Do you really think I GAF ?

You obviously don't otherwise you would not have an Essexmobile.

BMs are so bad. Get a Prius.

I've got a drive of about 800 miles
next weekend - no thanks

Well you will to wait a number of months for a Prius.

No I don't ****forbrains

When are you going to get that into your stupid head


--
geoff

"Doctor Drivel" wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
.. .
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and noise
and
vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish tank pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar
£203.28 trade

....plus VAT, which means you will be pay closer to £300, then the flexible
and other fitting on top will make it probaly over £300. Some combi's are
not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @ 1 metre, of
sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot water. Best go
for an additional combi.

Not £300 but £238.85 including VAT and that includes the flexi's and
all fittings to adapt to 28mm and 22mm copper. The isolation platform
(included) with fluid filled dampers means vibration is not
transmitted to the structure of the house nor because of the decoupled
arrangement of the inlet and outlet ports does it travel down the
pipework. It's also made in Japan, comes with a 10 year guarantee,
and also features a quite amazing gland arrangement that cannot leak
and it can quite easily run four power shower heads simultaneously. If
you really need an ultra quiet version there is a 22 litre per minute
model at 3.9 bar that is 31.4 dbA and that is just 160 quid trade.


--

"Matt" wrote in message
...
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:


"Matt" wrote in message
.. .
"Doctor Drivel" wrote:

My God! Does this turkey know how much, the size and price, and noise
and
vibration of a 4.5 bar pump? He thinks it is like a fish tank pump.

304mm x 423mm x 247mm
34 litres/minute @ 4.75bar
£203.28 trade

....plus VAT, which means you will be pay closer to £300, then the
flexible
and other fitting on top will make it probaly over £300. Some combi's
are
not that much more expensive, and do not put out 44.8 dBA @ 1 metre, of
sound and vibrate the house down and never run out of hot water. Best go
for an additional combi.

Not £300 but £238.85 including VAT and that includes the flexi's and
all fittings to adapt to 28mm and 22mm copper. The isolation platform
(included) with fluid filled dampers means vibration is not
transmitted to the structure of the house nor because of the decoupled
arrangement of the inlet and outlet ports does it travel down the
pipework. It's also made in Japan, comes with a 10 year guarantee,
and also features a quite amazing gland arrangement that cannot leak
and it can quite easily run four power shower heads simultaneously. If
you really need an ultra quiet version there is a 22 litre per minute
model at 3.9 bar that is 31.4 dbA and that is just 160 quid trade.

Make and model & web site.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message ws.net,
Doctor Drivel writes

...How unreliable.

It's never broken down on me, neither did my previous BMW

Maxie, on Top Gear tonight, it is the only car so bad they would not
let
it
onto the cool board,

Do you really think I GAF ?

You obviously don't otherwise you would not have an Essexmobile.

BMs are so bad. Get a Prius.

I've got a drive of about 800 miles
next weekend - no thanks

Well you will wait a number of months for a Prius.

No I don't ****forbrains

Maxie, you will wait for one. They can't make enough of them. They are you
going to ditch the Essex car?

"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
eenews.net...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message

In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

From the BBC web site:


Living in the single most densely populated state in the US, New Jersey, I
have still managed to find a home in a rural area and for the first time in
my life, I am enjoying the stress free, noise free, pollution free
environment that so many people who are tired of the cities and suburbs
crave. The single-minded preservation of all undeveloped land as a
sacrosanct tract to be off limits forever to anyone looking for a home is to
condemn them to overcrowded cities where people live on top of each other
and crime is high. In the post-industrial world of the 21st century it is no
longer necessary for people to commute or even visit inner cities any
longer. A policy of rational development on a regional planning basis makes
far more sense and will take pressure off the cities and those who remain in
them.

Mark, USA



The Alps are beautiful and have houses dotted everywhere, so does France, so
does Italy, so does everywhere - what is this phobia some people have with
signs of habitation? What is this masochism that squeezes people into row
upon row of Europe's smallest, ugliest and most expensive houses? The green
belt doesn't need protecting, it needs opening up so that some of us can
breathe!

Douglas, Watford, UK



I'm afraid that there is a lot of hypocrisy about. Organisations like the
CPRE (whose survey this is) represent many people who live in a nice place,
like it and think that no-one else should live there. Those who need a new
house but can't afford one are bottom of their list of concerns. The green
belt should be a moveable boundary.

Rod Bull, Birmingham, UK



Why don't we turn the tide the other way? We could try and make the city
greener with more trees on avenues, window boxes, roof-top gardens and
creeping plants. I love living in London, but why everything has to be
concrete, glass or steel I don't know.

Graham Pilmoor, Watford



Most 'green belt' land is actually some form of managed land and as such not
some form of idyllic nature reserve. A more considered review of our land
and its use might be more appropriate, in conjunction with the scrapping of
farming subsidies, rather than focusing on one narrow issue.

Mark, Stonehouse, Glos



Well, now that most people buy food from abroad, there's no real need for
the land to be retained for agriculture. Why not build on it and create jobs
and new communities? Most people who live in towns and cities have
unrealistic images of 'the countryside' anyway its an industrial, man-made
landscape different in not so many ways from towns themselves.

Andrew, London



Why should a handful of people have a "lovely view" while the rest of us are
crammed in like sardines not able to see any further than the neighbours
that back on to us. Build outwards, reduce density of people and therefore
traffic. There'll be enough green land left after we've taken an extra mile
around the cities, but think of the extra quality of life of the millions
that'll be able to breathe and afford property again. Think of those that
can move closer to the cities due to extra, pleasant, housing and won't have
to drive a 120 mile round trip that they currently endure because of house
prices. It's a positive thing for us and the environment.

Paul, London



Do we want to protect it? As a person whose life is in London, but will, in
all likelihood, never be able to own a home here despite having a reasonable
job, I personally think the green belt could do with a great deal of
reduction. It's ridiculous that we all live cheek by jowl cramped into a
tiny section of this island - and then emerge into large green areas which
hardly seems under threat. Look at an aerial photograph of the UK - it's
green - not urban grey.

Daniel, London



People always talk about urban sprawl, but you don't have to look hard to
see that Britain is still a very green country.

Tom, Brentwood, Essex


etc,
etc,

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:36 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message

In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

From the BBC web site:

snip drivel

In fact 84% of people are against green belt reduction

I lived in Britain for nine months and was quite impressed with the
green belt idea. I wish my government had enacted such a scheme to
protect the countryside where I live. Unfortunately, because nothing
has been done to halt 'progress', and because real estate is now so
high, most farmers have already sold their land to developers. There
seems to be no concept of preserving beauty, only a quick means of
obtaining money. Continue the fight to save the green belt in Britain!
B Haley, South Hadley, USA

The greenbelt should not be built upon. Some parts of Hertfordshire
have already become an extension of London - the rest of the county
needs to be protected.
Natalie, Herts

There is plenty of wasted land in cities that can be developed and
existing buildings that could be redeveloped for optimum use, so let's
make use of that instead.
Chris, Dartford, Kent

Why not turn all green belt land control over to the National Trust ?
Trevor Neale, S****horpe, England

Can't believe that this has to be questioned - perhaps a cap should be
put on the amount of people that this island can support before it
becomes completely concrete. So much for this green and pleasant land.
Jackie G, Exeter

The best way to protect green belt land is to simply not allow further
building on it. Renovate older, run down areas, wasteland, abandoned
warehouses, etc. Pull them down and build there, rather than on the
green belt. I like the countryside, and I am fearful that in the
future the entire country will be one huge conurbation, a mega-city.
Keep the green belt!
Jenny, Hull, UK

etc.



--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:36 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"Doctor Drivel" wrote in message
reenews.net...


I'm afraid that there is a lot of hypocrisy about. Organisations like the
CPRE (whose survey this is) represent many people who live in a nice place,
like it and think that no-one else should live there. Those who need a new
house but can't afford one are bottom of their list of concerns. The green
belt should be a moveable boundary.

Rod Bull, Birmingham, UK


Most people no idea of land, its: ownership, usage, economics, how they are
at a disadvantage, etc, etc. If they did they would vote the other way. A
poll from people who are victims of propaganda is not worth a light. This
similar to having a poll in Germany in 1938 of who is the best leader in the
world.

If want to know about these things, just ask me.