"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...
Good discussion Ed and I agree with what you cover...we are saying the
same thing.

Times are good for deer...the pressure from predators (which include
hunters also) has been reduced and their food supply has increased.
Both factors mean increased population. Change either factor and you
will see the populations drop.

We seem to have the perfect balance right now, for the deer -- they go for
'dem new wisteria buds and fancy topiary. They've taken to getting body
piercings and hanging out in the malls, bleaching their hair and using a lot
of hair gel. I saw one the other day and I thought the damned thing was a
long-legged porcupine.

As long as they don't go full-goth, I'll put up with them...

There is enormous pressure on wildlife habitats across the nation. The
next time you drive down the road, take a good look at the construction
going on. Most of it is on land that was not developed before. The
wildlife has to move somewhere and that somewhere is your and my
backyards.

Hitchhiking and jumping freights, with all their belongings tied up in their
pathetic little hobo scarves...


As for garbage, it is just an alternative (and excellent) food source.
Remove the food source and the animal in question will move on or
starve. Of course you would expect the bears to be more
aggressive...you are messing with their three squares a day. Ever
notice how people get cranky when they miss their scheduled feeding
too. Bears or humans, same rules apply. Who will win in the
end...humans since the bears don't have guns...yet;).

The fear here in New Jersey is that they'll ally with the mob.


Coyotes are just one of a number of animals that adapt very well to our
civilized environment. Garbage control by humans is grossly inadequate.
Remove this source of feeding and they will search for other sources.
Animals will only stay if the food supply is plentiful and ongoing. As
there are only so dogs, cats and rats available to them as alternative
food choices, coyotes will move on once that fallback source of food
supply is used up.

Jeez, we have to wait until they eat all the dogs and cats? g

I have an offbeat reaction to all of this intrusion. For a large part of my
life I lived in rural areas, and I've been a hunter most of my life. On one
hand I love seeing the wildlife moving in. On the other hand, it feels a
little like being invaded by immigrants.

New Jersey has some perigrine falcons back here now, and some bald eagles,
and so on. A sharp-shinned hawk hunts in my back yard. It all feels very
strange and unnatural. Wild turkeys that won't move until you practically
kick them are unnatural. Deer running down streets are unnatural. Black
bears that have so taken over some state parks that you can't leave your
campsite are unnatural. At least, they're unnatural for New Jersey. Out west
or in the deep south, I love to see them. Then I like to go home when I've
had enough of coyotes keeping me awake half the night.

Now, there's no going home. I'm going trout fishing in in NJ in a couple of
weeks and I'll have to do the same thing I used to do back when I lived in
Pennsylvania: stay away from the berry bushes and never walk around to the
back side of a bush to take a leak.

It's barbaric.

--
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

Considering that they were just a few miles north of the highest per-mile
deer roadkill area in the country, I guess the temptation was just too much.

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Ed Huntress wrote:

I have an offbeat reaction to all of this intrusion. For a large part of my
life I lived in rural areas, and I've been a hunter most of my life. On one
hand I love seeing the wildlife moving in. On the other hand, it feels a
little like being invaded by immigrants.

New Jersey has some perigrine falcons back here now, and some bald eagles,
and so on. A sharp-shinned hawk hunts in my back yard. It all feels very
strange and unnatural. Wild turkeys that won't move until you practically
kick them are unnatural. Deer running down streets are unnatural. Black
bears that have so taken over some state parks that you can't leave your
campsite are unnatural. At least, they're unnatural for New Jersey. Out west
or in the deep south, I love to see them. Then I like to go home when I've
had enough of coyotes keeping me awake half the night.

I know what you mean. I grew up in the Cascade Mountains
and saw far less wildlife than I do now, in the Sacramento
Valley. I've seen swenson's hawks, burrowing owls, barn
owls, unknown species of falcons, a pair of young Golden Eagles,
adult, yearling and pup coyotes, possum nests with babies,
raccoons and thousands of ground squirrels and voles.

All between my house and I-80, about 500 feet away.

In article ,
Jim Stewart wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

Because we all know what the Vietnamese restaurants serve.

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In article ,
Jim Stewart wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's FRIED RICE, you plick!

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"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard
meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville
a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

--
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Funny...if I were the Mob I would be worried. ;)

I too am seeing far more wildlife show up in my backyard...foxes,
woodchucks, hawks, coyotes, deer and more deer...

Not by coincidence, we are having a major construction boom.

I agree that it is unnatural to see the critter kingdom on my doorstep
but I figure with what is going on, a little modification of lifestyle
goes a long ways. My pets have become indoor pets and a fence is around
the garden. Landscaping plants are slowly being replaced with types
that deer tend not to bother. I figure that one can try to fight the
trend or you can adapt to a changing world. Kind of like having a give
and take arrangement with my human neighbors. In retrospect, my
wildlife neighbors are much easier to get along with then the human
counterparts. ;)



TMT

In article , Ed Huntress says...

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

How does that Cat Steven's song go, "The Cat's in the
Kettle at the Peking Moon..."

Jim


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In article . com,
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:


Nature is the great equalizer, in time she levels the playing field for
all concerned including man.

TMT

And the jury's still out on whether self-aware intelligence remaking its
environment is conducive to long-term survival of a certain species.

A verdict is expected shortly, however - in a couple million years or
so.

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Good discussion Ed and I agree with what you cover...we are saying the
same thing.
[snip]

Who will win in the
end...humans since the bears don't have guns...yet;).

[snip]

Support your right to arm bears!

Joe

jim rozen wrote:
In article , Ed Huntress says...


How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.


My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

How does that Cat Steven's song go, "The Cat's in the
Kettle at the Peking Moon..."

Jim



True, Jim, but Cat's song was parodied by Weird Al
Yankovich when he went there every day at noon....
~8O)

jim rozen wrote in
:


How does that Cat Steven's song go, "The Cat's in the
Kettle at the Peking Moon...

You mean the late Jim Croce. Cat Stevens is the guy who converted to Islam.

Dan

In article , Dan Murphy says...

jim rozen wrote in
:


How does that Cat Steven's song go, "The Cat's in the
Kettle at the Peking Moon...

You mean the late Jim Croce. Cat Stevens is the guy who converted to Islam.

Nope, it was Cat Stevens. It's a parody of "Cat's in the Cradle..."

Jim


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How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

--
Ed Huntress

Another story is of a chinese restaurant near Reading,PA getting shut
down by the Board of Health years ago for serving cat and dog.
Seems they got investigated after the field behind the restaurant was
being cleared for development and a large number of pelts was found.

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com...
Funny...if I were the Mob I would be worried. ;)

I too am seeing far more wildlife show up in my backyard...foxes,
woodchucks, hawks, coyotes, deer and more deer...

Not by coincidence, we are having a major construction boom.

I agree that it is unnatural to see the critter kingdom on my doorstep
but I figure with what is going on, a little modification of lifestyle
goes a long ways. My pets have become indoor pets and a fence is around
the garden. Landscaping plants are slowly being replaced with types
that deer tend not to bother. I figure that one can try to fight the
trend or you can adapt to a changing world. Kind of like having a give
and take arrangement with my human neighbors. In retrospect, my
wildlife neighbors are much easier to get along with then the human
counterparts. ;)

That's an interesting fact, that you're adapting, too, to the changing
wildlife environment.

All kidding aside, I think it's a very interesting phenomenon. As our
suburban lifestyle evolves, especially the spread-out version (which starts
at around $800,000 in New Jersey, but maybe a quarter of that in parts of
Pennsylvania, for instance), we're somewhat less lethal to the wildlife than
we were, say, 50 or 75 years ago. I've lived in NJ since 1948, with a few
gaps along the way, and I've seen a definite evolution in this direction:
more of the common species, and a considerable restoration of the ones that
were gone from here, or nearly so, a half-century ago.

I'd like to know more details about it. We do have a damned good wildlife
department, IMO, but they didn't do it all themselves. I followed the return
of the ospreys here (DDT nearly did them in), and I know something about the
deer and the Canada goose (we're inundated with them; if you want a dozen
geese and don't care how you get them, you can ground-sluice that many on
any day in some of the fields in the western part of the state). We have 28
streams, they tell me, that support populations of wild brook trout, while
there were only about a dozen when I was a kid.

But I don't know about the coyotes, or many details about the bears. .
..except that camping in some areas can be a little dicey. And there are many
other species, less well-known, that I read are making comebacks.

It's all pretty interesting and I'll bet it would be interesting to study
seriously. If I had another life to spare, I'd spend it learning the
subject.

--
Ed Huntress

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

I have an offbeat reaction to all of this intrusion. For a large part of
my
life I lived in rural areas, and I've been a hunter most of my life. On
one
hand I love seeing the wildlife moving in. On the other hand, it feels a
little like being invaded by immigrants.

New Jersey has some perigrine falcons back here now, and some bald
eagles,
and so on. A sharp-shinned hawk hunts in my back yard. It all feels very
strange and unnatural. Wild turkeys that won't move until you
practically
kick them are unnatural. Deer running down streets are unnatural. Black
bears that have so taken over some state parks that you can't leave your
campsite are unnatural. At least, they're unnatural for New Jersey. Out
west
or in the deep south, I love to see them. Then I like to go home when
I've
had enough of coyotes keeping me awake half the night.

I know what you mean. I grew up in the Cascade Mountains
and saw far less wildlife than I do now, in the Sacramento
Valley. I've seen swenson's hawks, burrowing owls, barn
owls, unknown species of falcons, a pair of young Golden Eagles,
adult, yearling and pup coyotes, possum nests with babies,
raccoons and thousands of ground squirrels and voles.

All between my house and I-80, about 500 feet away.

Well, there ya' go. That's a good example of adaptation. We think of those
birds, particularly, as species that live in really remote areas. I had no
idea that Golden Eagles would nest that close to human activity, for
example.

Falcons seem to be very adaptable. There are a couple of nests of Peregrines
that have been living on the sides of tall buildings in New York City. The
littlest falcons, the Kestrels (they're called "sparrow hawks" here) live
all over the state. It's been some years now but I saw a Merlin (also called
a "duck hawk"), a falcon just slightly smaller than a Peregrine and
similarly colored, near the Delaware River.

You could get some numbers on overall eastern populations from the records
the birders keep at Hawk Mountain in PA, or from similar ones kept at Cape
May, NJ, which are two hotspots for the raptor migrations. There must be
something similar in the West.

--
Ed Huntress

jim rozen wrote in
:

Nope, it was Cat Stevens. It's a parody of "Cat's in the Cradle..."

Right. It was Harry Chapin that sang it, and Jim Croce. Cat Stevens never
sang it. Well maybe he sang to himself in the car.

From http://rlg.peircecentral.com/Cat.html Looking for lyrics to "Cats in
the Cradle"? Don't look here! Cat Stevens did NOT ever sing that song, and
therefore I have not included the lyrics on my site

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/album/cat...he-cradle.html

Looks like Ugly Joe Kid and Guns N Roses sang it too.

Dan

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:19:43 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
roups.com...
Funny...if I were the Mob I would be worried. ;)

I too am seeing far more wildlife show up in my backyard...foxes,
woodchucks, hawks, coyotes, deer and more deer...

Not by coincidence, we are having a major construction boom.

I agree that it is unnatural to see the critter kingdom on my doorstep
but I figure with what is going on, a little modification of lifestyle
goes a long ways. My pets have become indoor pets and a fence is around
the garden. Landscaping plants are slowly being replaced with types
that deer tend not to bother. I figure that one can try to fight the
trend or you can adapt to a changing world. Kind of like having a give
and take arrangement with my human neighbors. In retrospect, my
wildlife neighbors are much easier to get along with then the human
counterparts. ;)

That's an interesting fact, that you're adapting, too, to the changing
wildlife environment.

All kidding aside, I think it's a very interesting phenomenon. As our
suburban lifestyle evolves, especially the spread-out version (which starts
at around $800,000 in New Jersey, but maybe a quarter of that in parts of
Pennsylvania, for instance), we're somewhat less lethal to the wildlife than
we were, say, 50 or 75 years ago. I've lived in NJ since 1948, with a few
gaps along the way, and I've seen a definite evolution in this direction:
more of the common species, and a considerable restoration of the ones that
were gone from here, or nearly so, a half-century ago.

I'd like to know more details about it. We do have a damned good wildlife
department, IMO, but they didn't do it all themselves. I followed the return
of the ospreys here (DDT nearly did them in), and I know something about the
deer and the Canada goose (we're inundated with them; if you want a dozen
geese and don't care how you get them, you can ground-sluice that many on
any day in some of the fields in the western part of the state). We have 28
streams, they tell me, that support populations of wild brook trout, while
there were only about a dozen when I was a kid.

But I don't know about the coyotes, or many details about the bears. .
.except that camping in some areas can be a little dicey. And there are many
other species, less well-known, that I read are making comebacks.

It's all pretty interesting and I'll bet it would be interesting to study
seriously. If I had another life to spare, I'd spend it learning the
subject.


Its all Bush's fault!

Gunner


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all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized
and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious.
michael

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

It's all pretty interesting and I'll bet it would be interesting to study
seriously. If I had another life to spare, I'd spend it learning the
subject.


Its all Bush's fault!

Gunner

Thank you, Gunner, right on cue...

See me out back after the show for your payoff... errr, "fee for
services rendered".
looks around Oops... I think I blew our cover...

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In article , Ed Huntress says...

You could get some numbers on overall eastern populations from the records
the birders keep at Hawk Mountain in PA, or from similar ones kept at Cape
May, NJ, which are two hotspots for the raptor migrations. There must be
something similar in the West.

Another place around here is Iona Island in the hudson highlands.

There's apparently a pretty good population of bald iggles
developing in the area.

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In article , Dan Murphy says...

jim rozen wrote in
:

Nope, it was Cat Stevens. It's a parody of "Cat's in the Cradle..."

Right. It was Harry Chapin

GGrrr. I always get that one wrong!

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Ed Huntress wrote:

Falcons seem to be very adaptable. There are a couple of nests of Peregrines
that have been living on the sides of tall buildings in New York City. The
littlest falcons, the Kestrels (they're called "sparrow hawks" here) live
all over the state. It's been some years now but I saw a Merlin (also called
a "duck hawk"), a falcon just slightly smaller than a Peregrine and
similarly colored, near the Delaware River.

You could get some numbers on overall eastern populations from the records
the birders keep at Hawk Mountain in PA, or from similar ones kept at Cape
May, NJ, which are two hotspots for the raptor migrations. There must be
something similar in the West.


Ed Huntress

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.
...lew...

"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message
ink.net...
Ed Huntress wrote:

Falcons seem to be very adaptable. There are a couple of nests of
Peregrines
that have been living on the sides of tall buildings in New York City.
The
littlest falcons, the Kestrels (they're called "sparrow hawks" here)
live
all over the state. It's been some years now but I saw a Merlin (also
called
a "duck hawk"), a falcon just slightly smaller than a Peregrine and
similarly colored, near the Delaware River.

You could get some numbers on overall eastern populations from the
records
the birders keep at Hawk Mountain in PA, or from similar ones kept at
Cape
May, NJ, which are two hotspots for the raptor migrations. There must be
something similar in the West.


Ed Huntress

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.
...lew...

Yeah, I figured you must have some flyway hotspots out there.

BTW, my memory failed me on the Merlins. They used to be called "pigeon
hawks" out here, not duck hawks. Duck hawks were the Peregrines. Both were
extremely rare when I was a kid; I knew them by reputation only, until they
started their comeback in the early '80s.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:32:23 GMT, the inscrutable Lew Hartswick
spake:

Ed Huntress wrote:

Falcons seem to be very adaptable. There are a couple of nests of Peregrines
that have been living on the sides of tall buildings in New York City. The
littlest falcons, the Kestrels (they're called "sparrow hawks" here) live
all over the state. It's been some years now but I saw a Merlin (also called
a "duck hawk"), a falcon just slightly smaller than a Peregrine and
similarly colored, near the Delaware River.

You could get some numbers on overall eastern populations from the records
the birders keep at Hawk Mountain in PA, or from similar ones kept at Cape
May, NJ, which are two hotspots for the raptor migrations. There must be
something similar in the West.


Ed Huntress

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.

I had fun on that peak when I visited beautiful downtown "Your Area",
lew, as well as enjoying your generous hospitality. Romping around on
the edge of the cliffs with a camera at 10k feet for half an hour with
no shortness of breath surprised and delighted me. The tram ride was a
blast, too.

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:36 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.
...lew...

Yeah, I figured you must have some flyway hotspots out there.

BTW, my memory failed me on the Merlins. They used to be called "pigeon
hawks" out here, not duck hawks. Duck hawks were the Peregrines. Both were
extremely rare when I was a kid; I knew them by reputation only, until they
started their comeback in the early '80s.

A couple weeks ago I had what I believe was a Peregrine falcon land in
my back yard with a bird in its clutches. It stood there for a minute,
so I ran to grab my camera and got some blurry shots (autofocus
doesn't like slanted shots) through the glass. When I slowly opened
the door to take a live shot, it dropped the bird and both flew off.
This falcon stood there with the terrified (but unharmed) cheeping
finch in its talons for nearly two minutes, just looking around. I
don't know if it was a hunting lesson for a young bird or what, but it
was truly baffling to me. AFAIK, falcons aren't know for mercy.

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In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:36 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.
...lew...

Yeah, I figured you must have some flyway hotspots out there.

BTW, my memory failed me on the Merlins. They used to be called "pigeon
hawks" out here, not duck hawks. Duck hawks were the Peregrines. Both were
extremely rare when I was a kid; I knew them by reputation only, until they
started their comeback in the early '80s.

A couple weeks ago I had what I believe was a Peregrine falcon land in
my back yard with a bird in its clutches. It stood there for a minute,
so I ran to grab my camera and got some blurry shots (autofocus
doesn't like slanted shots) through the glass. When I slowly opened
the door to take a live shot, it dropped the bird and both flew off.
This falcon stood there with the terrified (but unharmed) cheeping
finch in its talons for nearly two minutes, just looking around.

Unless I've failed to understand completely, if it's something much
smaller than the raptor, like a finch, or maybe a mouse, squirrel, or
similar, many will bind on the target and simply keep squeezing until it
stops moving, then once they've got it squeezed to death (or at least
unconcious enough that it's not likely gonna vamoose as soon as the
raptor opens its claw to bite it) they'll put a strategically placed
"make sure it's dead" chomp on it, then start munching. Not all that
much different from a boa constrictor in method, even though the
mechanism differs. But not quite as long, with bigger wings, and
feathers, of course.

Now for bigger stuff (rabbit and up, ducks, geese, etc, where body mass
of prey versus body mass of raptor is more or less even, or perhaps even
in the prey's favor) they tend to latch on *HARD* with talons somewhere
along the target's spine, puncturing as much as possible (and often
"kneading" the target to do even more damage, if birders' logbooks I've
read are any indication), then chew through the base of the skull/top of
the neck to sever the spinal column to complete the kill. Depending on
the relative sizes of raptor and target, "chew" might mean one almighty
"chomp" and the head falls off, or a series of bites that "works its way
down" to the spinal column before actually cutting it. Which is probably
the method you're "used to", or at least "expect" to see from a raptor.

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:15:41 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard
meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville
a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

No no no, that little red head bitch place ! Horse meat around 1980
south Texas.

For realski , I should sue them for a life time of that thought !

Really, I've eaten many many times across the boarder and it doesn't
bother me as long as it is cooked well enough. We use to eat at places
with smoked dogs in those cotton nets like someplace with fine sausage
from Germany, but being able to see the shape of the animal.

I just don't like eating at a franchise in the USA and getting ripped
off big time .

Bet they tried everything to bury that story , check it out if ya
don't believe me. No need to report back.

Got some better bad cop stories. Never could figure out that good cop
bad cop business , aren't they all bad? I'm sure there are *some*
half ass honest ones, somewhere...



I heard from a very reliable source that one asian restaurant , would
scoop up the rice out of the drain from cleaning dishes and putting it
into being refried refried refried ...rice.

Never (ever) send your food back no matter where you are.


Asso, I see trouble ahead in your fortune cookie. Until you've seen
chicken foot gnawing or better I guess its all down hill.



OP , the wife just gets more when the neighbor is thought to have axed
one, it's really hard to keep the cool cats inside no matter how much
you try. There are cat haters and lovers and there is me who really
could care less one way or another.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:34:36 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

Yes we have a spot on Sandia (above the Tijeras canyon) called
Hawk Watch, where they do the anual migration count for the
eastern part of the Rockies.
...lew...

Yeah, I figured you must have some flyway hotspots out there.

BTW, my memory failed me on the Merlins. They used to be called "pigeon
hawks" out here, not duck hawks. Duck hawks were the Peregrines. Both
were
extremely rare when I was a kid; I knew them by reputation only, until
they
started their comeback in the early '80s.

A couple weeks ago I had what I believe was a Peregrine falcon land in
my back yard with a bird in its clutches. It stood there for a minute,
so I ran to grab my camera and got some blurry shots (autofocus
doesn't like slanted shots) through the glass. When I slowly opened
the door to take a live shot, it dropped the bird and both flew off.
This falcon stood there with the terrified (but unharmed) cheeping
finch in its talons for nearly two minutes, just looking around. I
don't know if it was a hunting lesson for a young bird or what, but it
was truly baffling to me. AFAIK, falcons aren't know for mercy.

Yeah, that's an interesting story. We think of falcons "stooping," which
means diving at flying prey and knocking it out of the air (and often
killing it in the process), but they actually do most of their hunting like
goshawks, swooping upon prey on the ground, or chasing it down. The little
Kestrels, particularly, catch most of their grasshoppers and mice on the
ground. I've only seen them stoop on small birds a couple of times, when I
lived among a lot of them around 25 years ago.

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:21:42 -0800, Sunworshipper
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:15:41 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
ups.com...

And who eats the coyotes?

Ever wonder how McDonalds keeps their costs down? ;)

TMT


The fine print does say "our burgers are all-mammal." A little lizard
meat
probably would help those fatties out.

BTW, the state health people nailed a Chinese restaurant near Somerville
a
few years ago for serving venison without telling anyone about it. It
appears that it was roadkill. Deer me.

LOL.

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

No no no, that little red head bitch place ! Horse meat around 1980
south Texas.

For realski , I should sue them for a life time of that thought !

Really, I've eaten many many times across the boarder and it doesn't
bother me as long as it is cooked well enough. We use to eat at places
with smoked dogs in those cotton nets like someplace with fine sausage
from Germany, but being able to see the shape of the animal.

I just don't like eating at a franchise in the USA and getting ripped
off big time .

Bet they tried everything to bury that story , check it out if ya
don't believe me. No need to report back.

Got some better bad cop stories. Never could figure out that good cop
bad cop business , aren't they all bad? I'm sure there are *some*
half ass honest ones, somewhere...



I heard from a very reliable source that one asian restaurant , would
scoop up the rice out of the drain from cleaning dishes and putting it
into being refried refried refried ...rice.

Never (ever) send your food back no matter where you are.


Asso, I see trouble ahead in your fortune cookie. Until you've seen
chicken foot gnawing or better I guess its all down hill.



OP , the wife just gets more when the neighbor is thought to have axed
one, it's really hard to keep the cool cats inside no matter how much
you try. There are cat haters and lovers and there is me who really
could care less one way or another.


I had a very cool shot of a coyote just so in the middle of pure
unbelievable expansion of human intervention and the camera got ripped
off !



Only thing I can hope for is they developed the film and some one saw
(or will see) it.

Probably ripped (exposed) right into the SUN light.

In article , Ed Huntress says...

... but they actually do most of their hunting like
goshawks, swooping upon prey on the ground, or chasing it down.

That's how they get hit, alongside the taconic parkway. Once
they've snagged something they don't always watch on the climb
out.

I've swear I've seen one lifting off from the roadside with
a poodle-sized bundle in the talons.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Ed Huntress says...

... but they actually do most of their hunting like
goshawks, swooping upon prey on the ground, or chasing it down.

That's how they get hit, alongside the taconic parkway. Once
they've snagged something they don't always watch on the climb
out.

I've swear I've seen one lifting off from the roadside with
a poodle-sized bundle in the talons.

Heh, I've never noticed them being hit, but I've seen red-tails fly along
just off the ground with their prey for a long distance. The sharp-shinned
that hangs out in my neighborhood does that, too, with baby squirrels and
mice.

That is one eerie hawk, BTW. He swoops in, dead silent, like a ghost.
Sometimes you wonder if you actually saw him. Then he appears sitting on the
lowest branches of a tree, looking around.

--
Ed Huntress

In article , Ed Huntress says...

I've swear I've seen one lifting off from the roadside with
a poodle-sized bundle in the talons.

Heh, I've never noticed them being hit, but I've seen red-tails fly along
just off the ground with their prey for a long distance. The sharp-shinned
that hangs out in my neighborhood does that, too, with baby squirrels and
mice.

They have a couple of animals for display purposes at Teatown Reservation,
near here - ones that have been dinged by cars on the parkway, and
cannot be released back into the wild. Apparently that's a common
failure mode, they're quite alert when coming *in* on the prey, but
once they score, their focus kind of narrows down and often will
fly down low across the roadway and get hit by a car.

Jim


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On 25 Mar 2005 08:35:55 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Ed Huntress says...

I've swear I've seen one lifting off from the roadside with
a poodle-sized bundle in the talons.

Heh, I've never noticed them being hit, but I've seen red-tails fly along
just off the ground with their prey for a long distance. The sharp-shinned
that hangs out in my neighborhood does that, too, with baby squirrels and
mice.

They have a couple of animals for display purposes at Teatown Reservation,
near here - ones that have been dinged by cars on the parkway, and
cannot be released back into the wild. Apparently that's a common
failure mode, they're quite alert when coming *in* on the prey, but
once they score, their focus kind of narrows down and often will
fly down low across the roadway and get hit by a car.

Jim


If one is ever in the Bakersfield California area, the California
Living Museum may be of interest.

http://www.artcom.com/Museums/newones/93306.htm

Lots of local animals, the raptors and reptiles, mammals and whatnot
found in the high desert. Many of which were injured and brought there
to live

Gunner


Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the
all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized
and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious.
michael

Sunworshipper wrote:

I had a very cool shot of a coyote just so in the middle of pure
unbelievable expansion of human intervention and the camera got ripped
off !

While watching the greenbelt path behind
my house I've seen a coyote 'cloak' by
stepping behind a bush as people pass.
The people passed by no further than five
feet from the coyote.

As to pictures, I can get all the coyote
shots I want. What I've had problems getting
is some good pictures of the burrowing owls.
They let you walk by them as close as 15-20
feet, but stop and point a lens at them and
they are gone immmediately. That, on top
of the fact that they are most active after
sunset makes it real hard to get a good picture.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:10:31 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Ed Huntress says...

... but they actually do most of their hunting like
goshawks, swooping upon prey on the ground, or chasing it down.

That's how they get hit, alongside the taconic parkway. Once
they've snagged something they don't always watch on the climb
out.

I've swear I've seen one lifting off from the roadside with
a poodle-sized bundle in the talons.

One fewer barker? This is a Good Thing(tm). g


Heh, I've never noticed them being hit, but I've seen red-tails fly along
just off the ground with their prey for a long distance. The sharp-shinned
that hangs out in my neighborhood does that, too, with baby squirrels and
mice.

That is one eerie hawk, BTW. He swoops in, dead silent, like a ghost.
Sometimes you wonder if you actually saw him. Then he appears sitting on the
lowest branches of a tree, looking around.

I love birds of prey and used to make the rounds at the Sandy Eggo
Wild Animal Park as often as possible. They had a bird show called
Hawk Talk where you could see (up CLOSE, and sometimes pet) owls and
hawks. Of all the things I left in California, there is no doubt in my
mind that I miss that place the most. I had a Zoological Society pass
from '98 to '02, when I left. Once you go there, you'll never look at
another zoo in the same light.

Visitors to SoCal: GO THERE!


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jim rozen wrote:
In article , Ed Huntress says...

How come it's aways a Chinese restaurant in
these stories?

That's a good question. This is a true story, BTW.

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

That's about as strange a your friend digging in restaurant trash.


How does that Cat Steven's song go, "The Cat's in the
Kettle at the Peking Moon..."

Jim

In article , Cydrome Leader says...

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

That's about as strange a your friend digging in restaurant trash.

My friend's *brother*. Get it straight if you're going to
gripe.

Apparently you've forgotten what it's like to be a pre-teenage
boy.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Cydrome Leader says...

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

That's about as strange a your friend digging in restaurant trash.

My friend's *brother*. Get it straight if you're going to
gripe.

Apparently you've forgotten what it's like to be a pre-teenage
boy.

Jim

Not only that, but a couple of hours spent on misc.survivalist.nutbags would
uncover an entire subculture in this country that would be completely
unsurprised to hear about people scrounging such sources for the makings for
some fresh head cheese.

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Ed Huntress

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Cydrome Leader says...

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

That's about as strange a your friend digging in restaurant trash.

My friend's *brother*. Get it straight if you're going to
gripe.

Apparently you've forgotten what it's like to be a pre-teenage
boy.

Jim

Not only that, but a couple of hours spent on misc.survivalist.nutbags would
uncover an entire subculture in this country that would be completely
unsurprised to hear about people scrounging such sources for the makings for
some fresh head cheese.

Or just "tonight's dinner"...

And why not eat something out of a dumpster if it's
intact/clean/otherwise acceptable? Stores throw away ridiculous
quantities of perfectly good food every day of the week, simply because
the label says it's "outdated". Never mind that it's an item that stays
good for literally years - The label says it's outdated, so we gotta
throw it away.

--
Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004.
Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the
subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address.
See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details.

"Don Bruder" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Cydrome Leader says...

My friend in high school lived next to a very good
Chinese resturant. His brother did find cat heads
in the trash there once.

That's about as strange a your friend digging in restaurant trash.

My friend's *brother*. Get it straight if you're going to
gripe.

Apparently you've forgotten what it's like to be a pre-teenage
boy.

Jim

Not only that, but a couple of hours spent on misc.survivalist.nutbags
would
uncover an entire subculture in this country that would be completely
unsurprised to hear about people scrounging such sources for the makings
for
some fresh head cheese.

Or just "tonight's dinner"...

And why not eat something out of a dumpster if it's
intact/clean/otherwise acceptable?

For the same reason you don't **** in a storm sewer or drink from mud
puddles. You probably could get away with either, but you never know, and
it's embarrassing as hell if you get caught and have to explain yourself.

Stores throw away ridiculous
quantities of perfectly good food every day of the week, simply because
the label says it's "outdated". Never mind that it's an item that stays
good for literally years - The label says it's outdated, so we gotta
throw it away.

Yes, they do. Even worse, there are tens of thousands of people going hungry
in this country, and our public parks, at least here in the northeast, are
LOADED with hundreds of thousands of perfectly good, nutritious, and
absolutely delicious overly domesticated Canada geese that you could grab
and strangle after dark with no trouble at all. And, unlike the trash-can
and dumpster-diving way of gathering your food, you at least know where
these geese have been. uurrp. . .

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