I have a cast brass foot from an incense boat, (not that it matters, but if
you know what that is, it might give you a better idea of what it looks
like), about 2 inches in diameter. It has been dropped numerous times and
needs to be straightened. I'm thinking of turning a hardwood female mold as
close to the shape as possible, then tapping the rim from the inside out
against the mold until the rim is round and true again. BUT I am worried
about cracking as I straighten it, as a result of work hardening due to the
bending and my rebending.
Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

John

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.

John Hall wrote:

I have a cast brass foot from an incense boat, (not that it matters, but if
you know what that is, it might give you a better idea of what it looks
like), about 2 inches in diameter. It has been dropped numerous times and
needs to be straightened. I'm thinking of turning a hardwood female mold as
close to the shape as possible, then tapping the rim from the inside out
against the mold until the rim is round and true again. BUT I am worried
about cracking as I straighten it, as a result of work hardening due to the
bending and my rebending.
Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

John

I have a cast brass foot from an incense boat, (not that it matters, but if
you know what that is, it might give you a better idea of what it looks
like), about 2 inches in diameter. It has been dropped numerous times and
needs to be straightened. I'm thinking of turning a hardwood female mold as
close to the shape as possible, then tapping the rim from the inside out
against the mold until the rim is round and true again. BUT I am worried
about cracking as I straighten it, as a result of work hardening due to the
bending and my rebending.
Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

John



I do know that to anneal brass cartridge necks it is necessary not just to heat
them but to quench them as well. Typical practice is to stand them in a tray
of water, heat the necks, then knock them over.

John Martin

In article ,
JMartin957 wrote:

[ ... ]

Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

[ ... ]

I do know that to anneal brass cartridge necks it is necessary not just to heat
them but to quench them as well. Typical practice is to stand them in a tray
of water, heat the necks, then knock them over.

As far as I know, the quench is only for convenience. It makes
it easy to identify the ones which you have already annealed, and you
don't have to reach in with tongs of some type to pick them up when you
are done.

Though a reason for doing this might be to make sure that the
base does not get overheated, as you want it to remain as worked. It
does not get repeatedly stretched the way the necks do, so it does not
need annealing, and if you *do* anneal it, it is perhaps more likely to
deform into the ejector notch and perhaps bind the bolt.

The brass, itself, anneals just as well with air cooling.

I would, in the case of the project proposed, more worry about
what kind of solder was used to attach the base to the rest of the item.
If silver solder, no problem. If plain old soft solder, you might have
to reassemble it when you are done. (But -- that might make it easier
to reshape it. :-)

Good Luck,
DoN.
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On 09 Feb 2005 02:41:27 GMT, (JMartin957) wrote:


I have a cast brass foot from an incense boat, (not that it matters, but if
you know what that is, it might give you a better idea of what it looks
like), about 2 inches in diameter. It has been dropped numerous times and
needs to be straightened. I'm thinking of turning a hardwood female mold as
close to the shape as possible, then tapping the rim from the inside out
against the mold until the rim is round and true again. BUT I am worried
about cracking as I straighten it, as a result of work hardening due to the
bending and my rebending.
Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

John



I do know that to anneal brass cartridge necks it is necessary not just to heat
them but to quench them as well. Typical practice is to stand them in a tray
of water, heat the necks, then knock them over.

John Martin

I usually dip them neck first, in a melting pot of molten lead at
about 650F. Then of course, drop em into a bucket.




" We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of
Shakespeare...Thanks to AOL and WebTv, we know this is not possible."

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
I have a cast brass foot from an incense boat, (not that it matters, but
if
you know what that is, it might give you a better idea of what it looks
like), about 2 inches in diameter. It has been dropped numerous times and
needs to be straightened. I'm thinking of turning a hardwood female mold
as
close to the shape as possible, then tapping the rim from the inside out
against the mold until the rim is round and true again. BUT I am worried
about cracking as I straighten it, as a result of work hardening due to
the
bending and my rebending.
Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal
it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen
oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if
that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

John

I wouldn't worry about using a torch. Set a soft reducing flame and gently
warm the part until you get a faint glow of red in dull light (or in the
dark) , then let it cool. Should be dead soft. No need to quench, they
do that with cartridges to prevent annealing the head.

You probably know to not try to do any straightening while it's hot. Brass
is hot short..

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


I wouldn't worry about using a torch. Set a soft reducing flame and
gently
warm the part until you get a faint glow of red in dull light (or in the
dark) , then let it cool. Should be dead soft. No need to quench,
they
do that with cartridges to prevent annealing the head.

You probably know to not try to do any straightening while it's hot.
Brass
is hot short..

But it makes these really neat crystal patterns where it breaks, when you
try to "forge" it at the wrong temperature, as I learned when I was about 15
and tried to straighten out my mother's thick brass ashtray...that I had
warped all to hell using it as a crucible for lead... d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


I wouldn't worry about using a torch. Set a soft reducing flame and
gently
warm the part until you get a faint glow of red in dull light (or in the
dark) , then let it cool. Should be dead soft. No need to quench,
they
do that with cartridges to prevent annealing the head.

You probably know to not try to do any straightening while it's hot.
Brass
is hot short..

But it makes these really neat crystal patterns where it breaks, when you
try to "forge" it at the wrong temperature, as I learned when I was about
15
and tried to straighten out my mother's thick brass ashtray...that I had
warped all to hell using it as a crucible for lead... d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Yep! It should be worked cold to avoid that very thing. Did she ever
forgive you? Not only for cracking it, but for using it as a crucible?

Damn, don't kids do stupid things? Brings to mind the time I drilled a
hole in a 5# ingot of lead with my father's drill press, using what I recall
was a 3/8" twist drill, off center, for kicks, and the thing got away from
me. I was very fortunate that when the drill broke it wasn't aimed at me.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


I wouldn't worry about using a torch. Set a soft reducing flame and
gently
warm the part until you get a faint glow of red in dull light (or in
the
dark) , then let it cool. Should be dead soft. No need to
quench,
they
do that with cartridges to prevent annealing the head.

You probably know to not try to do any straightening while it's hot.
Brass
is hot short..

But it makes these really neat crystal patterns where it breaks, when
you
try to "forge" it at the wrong temperature, as I learned when I was
about
15
and tried to straighten out my mother's thick brass ashtray...that I had
warped all to hell using it as a crucible for lead... d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Yep! It should be worked cold to avoid that very thing. Did she ever
forgive you? Not only for cracking it, but for using it as a crucible?

Oh, yeah, I have a great mom. She'll put up with anything for the sake of
science.

However, 40 years later, she still manages to repeat the story at every
holiday get-together about how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors on the dining room table, and how we'd have to eat on TV trays
for a day or two afterwards because the kerosene smell would like to knock
you out. Maybe she hasn't forgiven me for that one.


Damn, don't kids do stupid things? Brings to mind the time I drilled
a
hole in a 5# ingot of lead with my father's drill press, using what I
recall
was a 3/8" twist drill, off center, for kicks, and the thing got away from
me. I was very fortunate that when the drill broke it wasn't aimed at
me.

That's quite a panic when you see some killer-sized glob of metal spinning
around on a drill press, ain't it?

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


I wouldn't worry about using a torch. Set a soft reducing flame and
gently
warm the part until you get a faint glow of red in dull light (or in
the
dark) , then let it cool. Should be dead soft. No need to
quench,
they
do that with cartridges to prevent annealing the head.

You probably know to not try to do any straightening while it's hot.
Brass
is hot short..

But it makes these really neat crystal patterns where it breaks, when
you
try to "forge" it at the wrong temperature, as I learned when I was
about
15
and tried to straighten out my mother's thick brass ashtray...that I
had
warped all to hell using it as a crucible for lead... d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Yep! It should be worked cold to avoid that very thing. Did she ever
forgive you? Not only for cracking it, but for using it as a crucible?

Oh, yeah, I have a great mom. She'll put up with anything for the sake of
science.

However, 40 years later, she still manages to repeat the story at every
holiday get-together about how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors on the dining room table, and how we'd have to eat on TV
trays
for a day or two afterwards because the kerosene smell would like to knock
you out. Maybe she hasn't forgiven me for that one.


Damn, don't kids do stupid things? Brings to mind the time I
drilled
a
hole in a 5# ingot of lead with my father's drill press, using what I
recall
was a 3/8" twist drill, off center, for kicks, and the thing got away
from
me. I was very fortunate that when the drill broke it wasn't aimed at
me.

That's quite a panic when you see some killer-sized glob of metal spinning
around on a drill press, ain't it?

Well, now that my hair is totally gray, I can live without it! g

Harold

The foot is separate now, it screws on, so solder isn't a problem.

John
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
In article ,
JMartin957 wrote:

[ ... ]

Is this, in fact, a problem with cast brass and if so, how to anneal
it?
I'm a little leary of just playing the torch on it. Could the kitchen
oven
be used for this? It can be set as high as 550 F. ? Would that high
enough
to anneal brass? It's a self cleaning gas oven but I don't have any idea
what the temperatures run to in the cleaning cycle but have wondered if
that
might be useful for this sort of job or even drawing steel. Thoughts?

[ ... ]

I do know that to anneal brass cartridge necks it is necessary not just to
heat
them but to quench them as well. Typical practice is to stand them in a
tray
of water, heat the necks, then knock them over.

As far as I know, the quench is only for convenience. It makes
it easy to identify the ones which you have already annealed, and you
don't have to reach in with tongs of some type to pick them up when you
are done.

Though a reason for doing this might be to make sure that the
base does not get overheated, as you want it to remain as worked. It
does not get repeatedly stretched the way the necks do, so it does not
need annealing, and if you *do* anneal it, it is perhaps more likely to
deform into the ejector notch and perhaps bind the bolt.

The brass, itself, anneals just as well with air cooling.

I would, in the case of the project proposed, more worry about
what kind of solder was used to attach the base to the rest of the item.
If silver solder, no problem. If plain old soft solder, you might have
to reassemble it when you are done. (But -- that might make it easier
to reshape it. :-)

Good Luck,
DoN.
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In article , Ed Huntress says...

However, 40 years later, she still manages to repeat the story at every
holiday get-together about how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors on the dining room table, and how we'd have to eat on TV trays
for a day or two afterwards because the kerosene smell would like to knock
you out. Maybe she hasn't forgiven me for that one.

Great how that works out. I've still got the story about how my
dad welded a sears screwdriver onto the box while trying to do
some electrical work. And the one about my brother filling up
the crankcase of a 56 chevy with water.

Fortunately none of my relatives, nor their stories about me,
are accessible to this ngs inhabitants....

Jim


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I like the line....
"I don't remember much about it, but it keeps coming up at
family gatherings...." / mark


jim rozen wrote:

In article , Ed Huntress says...


However, 40 years later, she still manages to repeat the story at every
holiday get-together about how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors on the dining room table, and how we'd have to eat on TV trays
for a day or two afterwards because the kerosene smell would like to knock
you out. Maybe she hasn't forgiven me for that one.


Great how that works out. I've still got the story about how my
dad welded a sears screwdriver onto the box while trying to do
some electrical work. And the one about my brother filling up
the crankcase of a 56 chevy with water.

Fortunately none of my relatives, nor their stories about me,
are accessible to this ngs inhabitants....

Jim

RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple gauge.)


--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:45:10 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple gauge.)

Jeff, have a look at
http://www.linear.com/pc/downloadDoc...,C1045, D4507

"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U. carburettors
on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I found
in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on our
washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine to
perforate paper.

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors
on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I
found
in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on our
washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine to
perforate paper.

That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors
on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I
found
in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on
our
washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine
to
perforate paper.

That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?

--
Ed Huntress

By contrast, when I took my class in electricity in high school, the first
thing the teacher taught us was to ground washing machines----obviously at a
time before the ground wire was an integral part of typical wiring (back in
'55, it was), and death by electrocution while washing wasn't exactly
unheard of.

First thing I did when I got home was run a ground wire to an overhead water
pipe and connect it to the washer. My mother went to her grave secure in
the knowledge that I had tried to kill her by electrocution, and no amount
of explaining what the wire was for changed her mind. She refused to wash
clothes until the wire was removed. Ignorance, and lack of trust in one's
offspring, can create some very bad memories.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

By contrast, when I took my class in electricity in high school, the first
thing the teacher taught us was to ground washing machines----obviously at
a
time before the ground wire was an integral part of typical wiring (back
in
'55, it was), and death by electrocution while washing wasn't exactly
unheard of.

First thing I did when I got home was run a ground wire to an overhead
water
pipe and connect it to the washer. My mother went to her grave secure
in
the knowledge that I had tried to kill her by electrocution, and no amount
of explaining what the wire was for changed her mind. She refused to wash
clothes until the wire was removed. Ignorance, and lack of trust in
one's
offspring, can create some very bad memories.

Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:17 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors
on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I
found
in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on our
washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine to
perforate paper.

That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?

I've got one, and she can shoot very well (wall of trophies to prove
it) also. I found out that the line is drawn somewhere shy of using
the oven as a temperature-controlled heat chamber for annealing
metal, though. Also irrational about "the good scissors".

Bought her a chainsaw for her 50th birthday...

In article , Dave Hinz says...

... Also irrational about "the good scissors".

1) never ever use the 'good sewing scissors' for cutting cardboard.

2) never take apart the singer sewing machine, and fail to reassemble.

Jim


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In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

... Ignorance, and lack of trust in one's
offspring, can create some very bad memories.

It works both ways Harold. See my comment above about
the screwdriver welded into the outlet box in our
basement.

I *told* him to turn off the circuit breaker. The
former house owner had switched the outlet - on the
neutral side.

To his credit my dad listened to every single work
I've ever uttered about electricity, after that fateful
day.

Jim


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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

You're a lucky man, Ed. Things between me and my mother deteriorated
quite
badly at the end, so much so that I no longer spoke to her. Mind you,
I'd
have much rather had a loving relationship with her, but that was not to
be.
I have no doubt that she formed the part of my personality that makes me
less than fun to know. Some things are hard to overcome.

I'm sorry to hear that, Howard. Yes, I've been very fortunate.

But, heck, I think you're fun to know. I might not feel that way if I was a
cat, but you're just fine with humans. g

--
Ed Huntress

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:17 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.
carburettors
on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I
found
in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on
our
washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine
to
perforate paper.

That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?

I've got one, and she can shoot very well (wall of trophies to prove
it) also. I found out that the line is drawn somewhere shy of using
the oven as a temperature-controlled heat chamber for annealing
metal, though. Also irrational about "the good scissors".

There are certain things that it's best not to touch.


Bought her a chainsaw for her 50th birthday...

Hmm. Redecorating, is she?

--
Ed Huntress

jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...


... Also irrational about "the good scissors".


1) never ever use the 'good sewing scissors' for cutting cardboard.

2) never take apart the singer sewing machine, and fail to reassemble.

Jim


Hell, never _touch_ the good sewing scissors, any of them!

My wife is still steamed that her ex used her pinking shears to cut up
some old credit cards -- and they've been divorced for nearly 25 years.

--RC

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...


On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:05:17 -0500, Ed Huntress


wrote:


"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
...


"Ed Huntress" (clip) how I used to lap the dashpots of my S.U.


carburettors


on the dining room table (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, how about MY mother. I brought home some printing plates that I


found


in the trash, and I inked them up and ran them through the wringer on


our


washing machine. Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine


to


perforate paper.


That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?


I've got one, and she can shoot very well (wall of trophies to prove
it) also. I found out that the line is drawn somewhere shy of using
the oven as a temperature-controlled heat chamber for annealing
metal, though. Also irrational about "the good scissors".


Egads...it's not just my mother that had "good scissors"? Of course I
did use em to cut wires more than once.......

Koz




There are certain things that it's best not to touch.



Bought her a chainsaw for her 50th birthday...



Hmm. Redecorating, is she?

--
Ed Huntress

On 9 Feb 2005 13:10:33 -0800, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Dave Hinz says...

... Also irrational about "the good scissors".

1) never ever use the 'good sewing scissors' for cutting cardboard.

....or anything non-fabric. Yes, I sure learned that one.

2) never take apart the singer sewing machine, and fail to reassemble.

In my case it was a clock. That they got for their wedding. Has
(well, had...) all sorts of cool moving parts in it, and I was 5 or so.
Funny thing is, I got away with it a dozen times or more before _the drop_
incident.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:59:53 -0500, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

I've got one, and she can shoot very well (wall of trophies to prove
it) also. I found out that the line is drawn somewhere shy of using
the oven as a temperature-controlled heat chamber for annealing
metal, though. Also irrational about "the good scissors".

There are certain things that it's best not to touch.

Indeed. She's possessive about some of her power tools as well.

Bought her a chainsaw for her 50th birthday...

Hmm. Redecorating, is she?

Initially it was for the usual reasons (old farmhouse, neglected
yard somewhat overrun by weed trees), and now it's just another
utility tool. Husky 18"; nice saw.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:10:28 -0800, Koz wrote:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Koz, what's with the HTML/MIME crap?

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Also irrational about "the good scissors".


Egads...it's not just my mother that had "good scissors"? Of course I
did use em to cut wires more than once.......

Well, technically, they were only "good scissors" for the first time you
did that.

Way too hot for elctrode drying. Most electrodes dry in the 140F range
for celulose base ones up to 250 for some of the others. You need to
check the electrode manufactuer's specs for the specific rod you have in
mind.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple gauge.)

Mom didn't object. Or when I used her sewing machine to
perforate paper.


That's a good mom. Do you suppose they still make them like that?

Having observed my son following in our footsteps I can assure you
that mothers still treat sons with forgiveness over things that a
husband couldn't get away with. Sometimes it pays to set up a
parallel universe in the shop where things are out of sight.

RWL



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Something funny, Ed. My ex is now married to a guy named Howard. (I'm
Harold). He's a great guy and doesn't deserve her. No offense taken,
Ed.
I answer to many things, especially the dinner bell. :-)

Jeez, did my fingers do that? When I type too fast I sometimes go on
autopilot. Sorry about that.

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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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You're a lucky man, Ed. Things between me and my mother deteriorated
quite
badly at the end, so much so that I no longer spoke to her. Mind you,
I'd
have much rather had a loving relationship with her, but that was not to
be.
I have no doubt that she formed the part of my personality that makes me
less than fun to know. Some things are hard to overcome.

I'm sorry to hear that, Howard. Yes, I've been very fortunate.

But, heck, I think you're fun to know. I might not feel that way if I was
a
cat, but you're just fine with humans. g

Thanks, Ed. I appreciate that very kind comment. (Just don't show up on
Halloween dressed as a cat! g)

Something funny, Ed. My ex is now married to a guy named Howard. (I'm
Harold). He's a great guy and doesn't deserve her. No offense taken, Ed.
I answer to many things, especially the dinner bell. :-)

Harold

"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

... Ignorance, and lack of trust in one's
offspring, can create some very bad memories.

It works both ways Harold. See my comment above about
the screwdriver welded into the outlet box in our
basement.

I *told* him to turn off the circuit breaker. The
former house owner had switched the outlet - on the
neutral side.

Wow! Some people really should leave things to others that are qualified.
As dumb as I am, I know better than to do that.


To his credit my dad listened to every single work
I've ever uttered about electricity, after that fateful
day.

Chuckle! Can't imagine why!

Harold

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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Something funny, Ed. My ex is now married to a guy named Howard.
(I'm
Harold). He's a great guy and doesn't deserve her. No offense taken,
Ed.
I answer to many things, especially the dinner bell. :-)

Jeez, did my fingers do that? When I type too fast I sometimes go on
autopilot. Sorry about that.

Hey, no problem. You're lucky. When my fingers do that, it usually can't be
read.

If you don't mind, I'd like to brag a bit about my prowess on the keyboard.
I have worked feverishly at getting me speed up and am now proud to proclaim
that I have my errors up to something like 60/minute. And some folks say
nothing good comes from these news groups! :-)

Harold

"RWL" wrote in message
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Having observed my son following in our footsteps I can assure you
that mothers still treat sons with forgiveness over things that a
husband couldn't get away with. Sometimes it pays to set up a
parallel universe in the shop where things are out of sight.

Haha! A parallel universe is a good way to describe it. Mine could be the
Place that Time Forgot.

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Ed Huntress

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple gauge.)


Did mine in the propane Bar-B-Que Have thermo control and multiple measurements.
I did it in an old cooking tray - that is now a shop tray to sort parts in.

Easy to do it there. In the house - you don't have control of the ramp up - on - down.

Normally you need more than 2 hours at temp... Read the data.

I put mine into plastic sealing bags and drew a vac to seal. Used a fold of
Cola box (thin but dense cardboard) folded over the metal ends as they are sharp.

Then I found some surplus Ammo boxes - just the size of 100# of sticks - with a rubber seal.
Nice box - but heavy when full. (found at the army surplus store)

Martin

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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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Something funny, Ed. My ex is now married to a guy named Howard.
(I'm
Harold). He's a great guy and doesn't deserve her. No offense
taken,
Ed.
I answer to many things, especially the dinner bell. :-)

Jeez, did my fingers do that? When I type too fast I sometimes go on
autopilot. Sorry about that.

Hey, no problem. You're lucky. When my fingers do that, it usually can't
be
read.

If you don't mind, I'd like to brag a bit about my prowess on the
keyboard.
I have worked feverishly at getting me speed up and am now proud to
proclaim
that I have my errors up to something like 60/minute. And some folks say
nothing good comes from these news groups! :-)

Hey, that's why they created spell-chuckers.

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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By contrast, when I took my class in electricity in high school, the first
thing the teacher taught us was to ground washing machines----obviously at

a

time before the ground wire was an integral part of typical wiring (back

in

'55, it was), and death by electrocution while washing wasn't exactly
unheard of.

First thing I did when I got home was run a ground wire to an overhead

water

pipe and connect it to the washer. My mother went to her grave secure

in

the knowledge that I had tried to kill her by electrocution, and no amount
of explaining what the wire was for changed her mind. She refused to wash
clothes until the wire was removed. Ignorance, and lack of trust in

one's

offspring, can create some very bad memories.


Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress


I remember Mom had a Bendix washer. The plug was a 2 wire with a circuit breaker
inside the plug. It would flip a plastic lever and push itself out of the socket.

Insulation shorts in motors and switches were the dangers. Varnishes used for insulation
had yet to be great as it is today. This is how motor repair people can wind more HP
into a frame of old motors since the old varnish is so thick.

Martin

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@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

By contrast, when I took my class in electricity in high school, the
first
thing the teacher taught us was to ground washing machines----obviously
at

a

time before the ground wire was an integral part of typical wiring (back

in

'55, it was), and death by electrocution while washing wasn't exactly
unheard of.

First thing I did when I got home was run a ground wire to an overhead

water

pipe and connect it to the washer. My mother went to her grave
secure

in

the knowledge that I had tried to kill her by electrocution, and no
amount
of explaining what the wire was for changed her mind. She refused to
wash
clothes until the wire was removed. Ignorance, and lack of trust in

one's

offspring, can create some very bad memories.


Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one
day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give
me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress


I remember Mom had a Bendix washer. The plug was a 2 wire with a circuit
breaker
inside the plug. It would flip a plastic lever and push itself out of the
socket.

Insulation shorts in motors and switches were the dangers. Varnishes used
for insulation
had yet to be great as it is today. This is how motor repair people can
wind more HP
into a frame of old motors since the old varnish is so thick.

Martin

I also understand that the varnish (for lack of better description) used
today will withstand a much higher temperature, so motors run hotter as
well. No doubt a result of pulling more power out of a small motor.

Harold