On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:33:47 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

offspring, can create some very bad memories.

Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress

I locked my mom outside on the front porch of the house 3 blocks from
the Student Union at Michigan Tech. Nude or nearly so and in Febuary
at 6:30 am. Then got scared because of her frantic poundings and
went and hid in the basement. I was told I was 3 at the time.
It used to get brought up at family gatherings....

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

I *told* him to turn off the circuit breaker. The
former house owner had switched the outlet - on the
neutral side.

Wow! Some people really should leave things to others that are qualified.
As dumb as I am, I know better than to do that.

Well in his defense he was a fairly new home-owner. I think I was
about 8 at the time, which meant we were in the house 7 years.
It was his first and it was kind of tough for him to deal with all
the sub-systems. He's not terribly mechanically inclined, but
he does have a phd in the biological sciences.

He's actually gotten a good deal more skilled at home-ownership
as the years have gone by.

Jim


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"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:33:47 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

offspring, can create some very bad memories.

Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one
day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give
me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress

I locked my mom outside on the front porch of the house 3 blocks from
the Student Union at Michigan Tech. Nude or nearly so and in Febuary
at 6:30 am. Then got scared because of her frantic poundings and
went and hid in the basement. I was told I was 3 at the time.
It used to get brought up at family gatherings....

I wonder why we thought that locking our moms out would solve anything. Even
then, we knew we'd have to let them back in eventually.

Anyway, you've contributed to the family's store of legends, Gunner. No one
will ever forgive you for it. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:30:08 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:33:47 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

offspring, can create some very bad memories.

Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one
day,
but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give
me a
hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress

I locked my mom outside on the front porch of the house 3 blocks from
the Student Union at Michigan Tech. Nude or nearly so and in Febuary
at 6:30 am. Then got scared because of her frantic poundings and
went and hid in the basement. I was told I was 3 at the time.
It used to get brought up at family gatherings....

I wonder why we thought that locking our moms out would solve anything. Even
then, we knew we'd have to let them back in eventually.

Anyway, you've contributed to the family's store of legends, Gunner. No one
will ever forgive you for it. g

Mom, God rest her soul...never forgave me for it either...
sigh...

Gunner

Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

I *told* him to turn off the circuit breaker. The
former house owner had switched the outlet - on the
neutral side.

Wow! Some people really should leave things to others that are
qualified.
As dumb as I am, I know better than to do that.

Well in his defense he was a fairly new home-owner. I think I was
about 8 at the time, which meant we were in the house 7 years.
It was his first and it was kind of tough for him to deal with all
the sub-systems. He's not terribly mechanically inclined, but
he does have a phd in the biological sciences.

He's actually gotten a good deal more skilled at home-ownership
as the years have gone by.

Jim



Oh, not your dad, Jim. The former owner! Switching the neutral!

I recall asking if I could leave our boat at a filling station once, while
we were headed for Lake Powell. We had to attend a wedding in Price, Utah,
which was on the way, so we would have several hours layover, and the
refrigerator, which ran on batteries, would kill them. By plugging in,
the refrigerator would run on line voltage. Someone had wired the
receptacle that knew zip about wiring, and it, too, was wired in reverse.
I had to rewire it before it would work properly. Some things are best
left to those with knowledge.

Harold

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in
:

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple
gauge.)


Did mine in the propane Bar-B-Que Have thermo control and multiple
measurements. I did it in an old cooking tray - that is now a shop
tray to sort parts in.

Easy to do it there. In the house - you don't have control of the
ramp up - on - down.

Normally you need more than 2 hours at temp... Read the data.

I put mine into plastic sealing bags and drew a vac to seal. Used a
fold of Cola box (thin but dense cardboard) folded over the metal ends
as they are sharp.

Then I found some surplus Ammo boxes - just the size of 100# of sticks
- with a rubber seal. Nice box - but heavy when full. (found at the
army surplus store)

Martin


At the shipbuilding place I worked at back in the 70s we had a round double
walled container that was insulated with a air tight door, kept the rods
(mostly 7013) nice and warm and dry...
Thinking back, I think there was probably heat coils in the walls of the
container but I know for sure there was a lightbulb on every time it
opened.

I used to work in The Fiji Islands. relative humidity was often over 90%,
I bought a small (non-working) bar fridge,and put a couple of 100 watt light
bulbs in the bottom of it.
We kept all our welding rods in it with good results. Cost? One box of Fiji
Bitter. ( I worked for the brewery.)

Tom
"notreallyme" wrote in message
. 97.142...
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in
:

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

Self cleaning temp usually in the 700F range.


That sounds like it'd be just about right for drying out some stick
welding rods I've had sitting around for years.

Comments?

Jeff (Who is really looking for an excuse to buy a thermocouple
gauge.)


Did mine in the propane Bar-B-Que Have thermo control and multiple
measurements. I did it in an old cooking tray - that is now a shop
tray to sort parts in.

Easy to do it there. In the house - you don't have control of the
ramp up - on - down.

Normally you need more than 2 hours at temp... Read the data.

I put mine into plastic sealing bags and drew a vac to seal. Used a
fold of Cola box (thin but dense cardboard) folded over the metal ends
as they are sharp.

Then I found some surplus Ammo boxes - just the size of 100# of sticks
- with a rubber seal. Nice box - but heavy when full. (found at the
army surplus store)

Martin


At the shipbuilding place I worked at back in the 70s we had a round
double
walled container that was insulated with a air tight door, kept the rods
(mostly 7013) nice and warm and dry...
Thinking back, I think there was probably heat coils in the walls of the
container but I know for sure there was a lightbulb on every time it
opened.

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
t...

Ed Huntress wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...


By contrast, when I took my class in electricity in high school, the

first

thing the teacher taught us was to ground washing machines----obviously

at

a


time before the ground wire was an integral part of typical wiring (back

in


'55, it was), and death by electrocution while washing wasn't exactly
unheard of.

First thing I did when I got home was run a ground wire to an overhead

water


pipe and connect it to the washer. My mother went to her grave

secure

in


the knowledge that I had tried to kill her by electrocution, and no

amount

of explaining what the wire was for changed her mind. She refused to

wash

clothes until the wire was removed. Ignorance, and lack of trust in

one's


offspring, can create some very bad memories.


Jeez, she thought you were trying to kill her? I locked my mom in the
basement once, when I was 7 and she was being particularly churlish one

day,

but she would have stuck her fingers in a socket if I asked her to give

me a

hand with my electricity project. g

--
Ed Huntress



I remember Mom had a Bendix washer. The plug was a 2 wire with a circuit

breaker

inside the plug. It would flip a plastic lever and push itself out of the

socket.

Insulation shorts in motors and switches were the dangers. Varnishes used

for insulation

had yet to be great as it is today. This is how motor repair people can

wind more HP

into a frame of old motors since the old varnish is so thick.

Martin


I also understand that the varnish (for lack of better description) used
today will withstand a much higher temperature, so motors run hotter as
well. No doubt a result of pulling more power out of a small motor.

Harold


The insulation dope has a much higher voltage insulation per unit thickness. So the
overall wire diameter of insulated wire is much thinner. The copper is cleaner or of
a higher quality and that allows more current. When Current and Turns increase - wow!
Yes - the early stuff was dark and brittle. And sometimes silk covered.
Martin

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Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder