I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it.

How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy
test that I can subject the oil to?

I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all
that oil if I can burn it.

Thanks

On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it.

How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy
test that I can subject the oil to?

I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all
that oil if I can burn it.

Thanks

I think that the test you want is for sulfur. Some of the newer
cutting oils have other ingredients that may or may not be a probleem.
For example, I have no idea what triethanolamine is, but DoALL cutting
oil contains it. Likewise, hexylene glycol, which is there in tiny
amounts.

But it's likely that sulfur is the big one. Also, lard oil leaves
gummy residue when it oxidizes. That may be it, too.

But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is
or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most
dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones
that don't are more recent forumulations.

Maybe someone knows how to test for sulfur. There used to be a test
that involved a silver compound of some kind.

Good luck.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:50:47 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:


test that I can subject the oil to?
sulphur will tarnish silver. Dip a clean silver spoon or fork in the
oil. If it tarnishes you KNOW it has sulphur. If it doesn't you are
still guessing.

You could do a Lassaignes test (look it up) - but for "several tons"
it would be worth having an oil analysis done - the spectrometer will
tell you the WHOLE story.

On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is
or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most
dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones
that don't are more recent formulations.

I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and
lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be
other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic
fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...)

Jon

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"Ignoramus14057" wrote in
message ...
I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in
it.

How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy
test that I can subject the oil to?

I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need
all
that oil if I can burn it.

Thanks

The simple test for sulfur is to heat the oil and see if it tarnishes
polished copper. I don't know how to detect other cutting oil
additives, that test is for fuel or lubricating oil.
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/nbs...cpaperT177.pdf
See pages 8 and 9.

Chemistry has moved to more sensitive and accurate testing with
instruments, so the simple and accessible methods are in old books.
You might find more by searching for the "copper mirror" test with a
newer computer than mine.

Another simple test is to burn a small quantity and look for a solid
residue of ash from additives. You could compare the result to the
residues or lack of them from known samples of hydraulic, motor and
cutting oils.

But I can't tell you if the oil is safe or legal to burn.

I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is
or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most
dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones
that don't are more recent formulations.

I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and
lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be
other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic
fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...)

Jon

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I'm guessing that the manufacturer of Iggy's oil burner was more
concerned about damage to the burners than to pollution, unless it's a
new one.

Until the last decade or so, industrial cutting oils usually contained
sulfur and, often, they were chlorinated. Neither one sounds healthy
for metal burners -- or for your lungs.

Cutting oil recycled in a sump is sure to contain ultrafine metal
particles, as well. Filters in those systems have their limits.

--
Ed Huntress

Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

He's not from RCM, Christopher. He's one of the nutcases from the
survivalist newsgroups, who wound up here when Gunner cross-posted on
one of his trolling expeditions. Prepper moved in here to see if he
can raise some hell. That's all he really does.

He's a real sicko, obsessed with gay sex and cross-dressing, and he's
taken a liking to me because he's blind and deaf. g!

Most people have killfiled him. That's the best policy. Either that,
or just ignore him.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Cutting oils might have heavy metals in them which the EPA doesn't
want floating around the atmo. Or the chlorinated types might corrode
the burners or valving.


Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it.

How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy
test that I can subject the oil to?

I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all
that oil if I can burn it.

I wonder how much it would cost to have a lab test it for composition.
You're in the right area for it: industrial. I wonder if oil
recyclers have that capacity now.

--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Was.

--
Stoop and you'll be stepped on;
stand tall and you'll be shot at.
-- Carlos A. Urbizo

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look
for yourself you chump.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:54:30 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:
Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.


Was.

I doubt it. He's always been a **** for as long as I've known him,
and I know him intimately if you know what I mean.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look
for yourself you chump.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too.

Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he
could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-).

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:17:03 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is
or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most
dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones
that don't are more recent formulations.

I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and
lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be
other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic
fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...)

Jon

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I'm guessing that the manufacturer of Iggy's oil burner was more
concerned about damage to the burners than to pollution, unless it's a
new one.

Until the last decade or so, industrial cutting oils usually contained
sulfur and, often, they were chlorinated. Neither one sounds healthy
for metal burners -- or for your lungs.

Cutting oil recycled in a sump is sure to contain ultrafine metal
particles, as well. Filters in those systems have their limits.
If the oil contains chlorinated hydrcarbons then phosgene gas being
generated in a furnace is a disitinct likelyhood. Since chlorinated
hydrocarbons used to be in several pretty common tapping fluids and
are still used as degreasers today they might be in that oil. I'll bet
an oil analysis isn't very expensive compared to the money you can
save burning the stuff and the money it would cost you if your furnace
was damaged. Or if you or somebody else breathed in a little phosgene.
Are you required to take the oil? How much time do you have to test
the oil?
Eric

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote:

On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:

But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is
or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most
dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones
that don't are more recent formulations.

I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and
lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be
other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic
fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...)


Perhaps fine metal particles that would damage the pump and/or
nozzles.


Jon

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"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in
engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as
in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the
additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum
"On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using
just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative
analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in
the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in
road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored
flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular
contribution by CuCl)."

I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that
projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative.
-jsw

On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.
Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in
engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as
in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the
additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum
"On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using
just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative
analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in
the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in
road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored
flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular
contribution by CuCl)."

I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that
projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative.
-jsw


Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the
machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by
placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect the
elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in that field
for a number of years but not at the detailed end , mainly the user
interface end but you still pick up how it works and I was shown some of
the old gear where you had to take the readings off meters. These days
as I understand it they use CCDs and the instrument is more versatile in
its analysis range. I'm out of that field now so things may have moved
on further but the background science is the same but the means of
accessing it improves.

On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.



What happened to this group?

From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post
all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of
nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG.

On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look
for yourself you chump.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too.

Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he
could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-).


Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow.
I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking
his gun barrel.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote:

On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look
for yourself you chump.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too.

Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he
could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-).


Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow.
I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking
his gun barrel.

That's a good thought, Perry, but we tried that about a year ago. When
he gets bored, he starts posting to RCM again and sniping away. Then
he goes wild with slander and insults in other NGs.

I'm ignoring him here, and I try to remember not to include RCM in my
replies. So, if you killfile him, it should be like he's never been
here.

These flare-ups from the survivalist NGs happen from time to time.
Gunner will cross-post some provocation, and the nutjobs pour in. The
survivalist groups are the source of almost all of the noise on RCM,
and have been, for around 15 - 18 years.

Fortunately, they're impotent cowards. Unfortunately, they make a mess
of other NGs.

Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote:

On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.



What happened to this group?

From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post
all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of
nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG.

You've got it. Gunner started it; Cliff picked it up, and then TMT and
Kopypasta Keller picked it up after Cliff died and TMT disappeared.

But, as Rudy Canoza once said, he never would have known that RCM
existed if Gunner hadn't started cross-posting. Now the other nutjobs
have RCM on their cross-posting lists, and they keep coming in here
and trying to make life miserable.

--
Ed Huntress

"David Billington" wrote in message
news
On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This
machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who
maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs.
The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am
not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.
Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for
oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll
know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum.


Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the
machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by
placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect
the elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in
that field for a number of years but not at the detailed end ,
mainly the user interface end but you still pick up how it works and
I was shown some of the old gear where you had to take the readings
off meters. These days as I understand it they use CCDs and the
instrument is more versatile in its analysis range. I'm out of that
field now so things may have moved on further but the background
science is the same but the means of accessing it improves.


"Each beam of light is then directed to a tiny slit on what is called
an aperture plate. The aperture plate is a thick metal device, about
10 inches wide by 18 inches long, and the slits engraved in it are
finer than a human hair. The aperture plate allows us to measure the
intensity of each beam, using a device known as a photomultiplier
tube."

Photomultipliers are light-amplifying vacuum tubes, the ancestors of
the microchannel plate.
-jsw

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.





What happened to this group?


From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross
post
all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a
bunch of
nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG.

That was then, this is now. For the past year or so Ed has been
trolling the survivalist groups. He is on record right here I RCM
stating he would go there to stir up ****.

The **** in a dress chickens are just coming home to roost. Go look
in alt.survival, don't take my word for it. Who ate you going to
believe, me or your lying eyes?

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:28:15 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote:


On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along
shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels.
If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.



What happened to this group?

From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross
post
all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a
bunch of
nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG.


You've got it. Gunner started it; Cliff picked it up, and then TMT
and
Kopypasta Keller picked it up after Cliff died and TMT disappeared.


But, as Rudy Canoza once said, he never would have known that RCM
existed if Gunner hadn't started cross-posting. Now the other
nutjobs
have RCM on their cross-posting lists, and they keep coming in here
and trying to make life miserable.


--
Ed ****dress

You're a lying stank nasty **** in a dress troll. You have surpassed
Gunner, Rudy, Cliff, Keller, and TMT combined. Cliff used to like
wearing dresses too. Did he will some to you? You ****ing
crossposting cross-dressing pedophile **** in a dress.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red
Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along
shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels.
If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to
grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's
such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just
like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest
troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go
look
for yourself you chump.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too.

Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be,
if he
could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch.
d8-).



Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker
fellow.
I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to
stroking
his gun barrel.

It doesn't work that way Perry. He can ignore me here in RCM but that
doesn't change his trolling in alt.survival.

I'm just one of his chickens that followed him home. Soon I'll be
bringing all of my friends to RCM.. The **** in a Dress thinks it's
fun, I've been holding off thinking he would take his smelly ****
dress and go back to sashaying in RCM.

RCM that spawns Usenet's biggest trolls like TMT, the Douchebag
(RIP), Curls (RIP), Cliff (RIP), and soon to be Ed ****inadress
(BIH).

Keep trolling our group **** in a Dress.Your in your death spiral.
You've got nothing, you've ruined your family name, you're a **** in
a dress gay pedophile, and we're all laughing while we watch your
demise.

Thanks Perry, for being the smartest member of RCM by taking the
initiative of reeling in one of usenets biggest RCM's trolls.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:24:26 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote:


On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red
Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along
shortly
to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels.
If
your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.


Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in
alt.survival

The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he
keeps coming back.

Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a
cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to
grow
bigger.

**** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's
such a
good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just
like he
does.

He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he
continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him.

Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest
troll on
usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this
point.

The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go
look
for yourself you chump.

Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too.

Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be,
if he
could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch.
d8-).


Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker
fellow.
I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to
stroking
his gun barrel.


That's a good thought, Perry, but we tried that about a year ago.
When
he gets bored, he starts posting to RCM again and sniping away. Then
he goes wild with slander and insults in other NGs.


I'm ignoring him here, and I try to remember not to include RCM in
my
replies. So, if you killfile him, it should be like he's never been
here.


These flare-ups from the survivalist NGs happen from time to time.
Gunner will cross-post some provocation, and the nutjobs pour in.
The
survivalist groups are the source of almost all of the noise on RCM,
and have been, for around 15 - 18 years.


Fortunately, they're impotent cowards. Unfortunately, they make a
mess
of other NGs.


Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM.


--
Ed ****dress

You're a lying **** in a dress troll. I never entered RCM until
..after months of your trolling in alt.survival.

You've been asked to leave repeatedly by the group members, they all
laugh at you behind your back, you senile old **** in a dress.

It's not as if the RCM members don't know you ate a troll, they can
go see for themselves in a.survival

No, they would rather pretend it's not true because they like looking
at you in your **** dress. Why would you ever want to leave here?
Just looking for some strange?

You ****ing crossposting cross-dressing, pedophile, **** in a dress!
Stay the **** out of alt.survival unless you have something on-topic
to post about.

You're a square peg there. Nobody wants you there. They've all asked
you to.leave. You've been voted the most likely to catch a bullet
between the eyes when SHTF.

Nobody there is interested in having gay sex with you, no matter how
much you beg. Beat it ****dress, nobody wants you in alt.survival,
you fagot **** in a dress.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:24:26 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote:
Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM.


--
Ed ****dress

Too late you **** in a dress. We're going to be moving in here real
soon. This looks like a nice place, so I'm getting the band back
together. Go ahead, troll some more in alt.survival, that way I won't
feel so bad about what happens to RCM. You ****ing homo **** in a
dress, stank nasty ****.

Nice to see the members of RCM waking up and taking notice of your
trolling. See? They're not as stupid and tolerant like you said they
were. Now bend over Ed, because you're about to get a lot of
butthurt.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in
engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as
in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the
additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum
"On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using
just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative
analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in
the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in
road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored
flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular
contribution by CuCl)."

I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that
projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative.
-jsw

Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts of things, including Sulfur in Oil.

Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the reasons are for not allowing cutting oil.

And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked regularly by schools, government labs, etc.

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins
wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This
machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who
maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs.
The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am
not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for
oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll
know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest
in
engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same
as
in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the
additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum
"On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed
using
just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative
analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed
in
the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used
in
road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue
colored
flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular
contribution by CuCl)."

I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that
projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative.
-jsw

Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place
https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts
of things, including Sulfur in Oil.

Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the
thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them
how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the
reasons are for not allowing cutting oil.

And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under
fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked
regularly by schools, government labs, etc.

I know how to use electronic, chemical and mechanical test instruments
and grab whatever I see for sale, but except for oscilloscopes they
are -very- rare. I searched for an RF spectrum analyzer for many
years, then after finding one spent a couple more years looking for a
tracking generator to use it as a scalar network analyzer.

For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them
calibrated and prepare the test samples, too.

I learned this at a part-time laboratory job while in high school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing

-jsw

"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
news
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
....
And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under
fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked
regularly by schools, government labs, etc.
...
For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them
calibrated and prepare the test samples, too.


Even weighing things requires care and some training.
http://www5.csudh.edu/oliver/che230/...al/propuse.htm

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins
wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This
machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who
maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs.
The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am
not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for
oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll
know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest
in
engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same
as
in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the
additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum
"On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed
using
just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative
analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed
in
the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used
in
road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue
colored
flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular
contribution by CuCl)."

I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that
projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative.
-jsw

Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place
https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts
of things, including Sulfur in Oil.

Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the
thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them
how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the
reasons are for not allowing cutting oil.

And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under
fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked
regularly by schools, government labs, etc.

I know how to use electronic, chemical and mechanical test instruments
and grab whatever I see for sale, but except for oscilloscopes they
are -very- rare. I searched for an RF spectrum analyzer for many
years, then after finding one spent a couple more years looking for a
tracking generator to use it as a scalar network analyzer.

For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them
calibrated and prepare the test samples, too.

I learned this at a part-time laboratory job while in high school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing

-jsw

I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage (rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating excess equipment, but destroying it is easy.

That you have had a hard time finding the equipment that you're looking for is due, in some part, to the fact that you're not Iggy. He seems to have a real knack for this. After all, we're talking about a ton or so of oil that's merely incidental to a scrap metal purchase.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:56:02 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"David Billington" wrote in message
news
On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote:

I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This
machine
is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who
maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs.
The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am
not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.
Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up
making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for
oils
are cheap - $28 from this place
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you
could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll
know
for sure what you have.

============================

According to this
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php
they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit
positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum.


Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the
machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by
placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect
the elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in
that field for a number of years but not at the detailed end ,
mainly the user interface end but you still pick up how it works and
I was shown some of the old gear where you had to take the readings
off meters. These days as I understand it they use CCDs and the
instrument is more versatile in its analysis range. I'm out of that
field now so things may have moved on further but the background
science is the same but the means of accessing it improves.


"Each beam of light is then directed to a tiny slit on what is called
an aperture plate. The aperture plate is a thick metal device, about
10 inches wide by 18 inches long, and the slits engraved in it are
finer than a human hair. The aperture plate allows us to measure the
intensity of each beam, using a device known as a photomultiplier
tube."

Photomultipliers are light-amplifying vacuum tubes, the ancestors of
the microchannel plate.
-jsw

Further to all of this, I mentioned oil testing services because they are relatively plentiful and cheap, but easily as plentiful but maybe not as cheap (I don't know, never having used one) are analytical laboratories that have the capability of showing you whatever detail you are willing to pay for.

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm
just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage
(rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy
or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating
excess equipment, but destroying it is easy.

=====

A town employee who sees interesting things at the dump gives me some.
I have a Harbor Freight 61969 miter saw in the repair queue for this
spring, in exchange for working on a generator he salvaged for his
dad.

On 2018-02-14, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus14057" wrote in
message ...
I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained
it
and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil.

I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil,
mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The
instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not
sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to
environmental regulations.

Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in
it.

How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy
test that I can subject the oil to?

I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need
all
that oil if I can burn it.

Thanks

The simple test for sulfur is to heat the oil and see if it tarnishes
polished copper. I don't know how to detect other cutting oil
additives, that test is for fuel or lubricating oil.
http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/nbs...cpaperT177.pdf
See pages 8 and 9.

Chemistry has moved to more sensitive and accurate testing with
instruments, so the simple and accessible methods are in old books.
You might find more by searching for the "copper mirror" test with a
newer computer than mine.

Another simple test is to burn a small quantity and look for a solid
residue of ash from additives. You could compare the result to the
residues or lack of them from known samples of hydraulic, motor and
cutting oils.

But I can't tell you if the oil is safe or legal to burn.




Thanks a lot. I tried this method with a polished copper bar. The bar
did not tarnish. I decided to take the oil and took three large caged
plastic totes with oil and two barrels. I definitely appreciate the
help and I enjoyed that old book from 1920.

On 2018-02-14, Red Prepper wrote:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

I surely do hope that Ed will show up in this discussion, unlike you,
you ignorant turd.

On 2018-02-14, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your
good, he'll even let you try them out together.

Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy.

Was.


Ed is a great guy, he just has a weird anti-Trump political platform.

On 2018-02-14, wrote:
If the oil contains chlorinated hydrcarbons then phosgene gas being
generated in a furnace is a disitinct likelyhood. Since chlorinated
hydrocarbons used to be in several pretty common tapping fluids and
are still used as degreasers today they might be in that oil. I'll bet
an oil analysis isn't very expensive compared to the money you can
save burning the stuff and the money it would cost you if your furnace
was damaged. Or if you or somebody else breathed in a little phosgene.
Are you required to take the oil? How much time do you have to test
the oil?
Eric

I am satisfied with what I found. The maintenance guy said that he
only put lubricating oil in it. The oil does not smell bad in any way
like sulfurized oils would. It also does not tarnish a polished
copper bar.

i

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:41:42 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm
just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage
(rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy
or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating
excess equipment, but destroying it is easy.

=====

A town employee who sees interesting things at the dump gives me some.
I have a Harbor Freight 61969 miter saw in the repair queue for this
spring, in exchange for working on a generator he salvaged for his
dad.

I have the single-bevel style of that saw and happily used it for 8
years in my handyman service. It's still in good shape and running.
I wish I had a friend at the dump. It's unconscionable what people
throw away. Nicked cord on a $3,000 device? Toss it. sigh

--
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
-- Sir Winston Churchill