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How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is
sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it. How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy test that I can subject the oil to? I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all that oil if I can burn it. Thanks |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it. How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy test that I can subject the oil to? I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all that oil if I can burn it. Thanks I think that the test you want is for sulfur. Some of the newer cutting oils have other ingredients that may or may not be a probleem. For example, I have no idea what triethanolamine is, but DoALL cutting oil contains it. Likewise, hexylene glycol, which is there in tiny amounts. But it's likely that sulfur is the big one. Also, lard oil leaves gummy residue when it oxidizes. That may be it, too. But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones that don't are more recent forumulations. Maybe someone knows how to test for sulfur. There used to be a test that involved a silver compound of some kind. Good luck. -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:50:47 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: test that I can subject the oil to? sulphur will tarnish silver. Dip a clean silver spoon or fork in the oil. If it tarnishes you KNOW it has sulphur. If it doesn't you are still guessing. You could do a Lassaignes test (look it up) - but for "several tons" it would be worth having an oil analysis done - the spectrometer will tell you the WHOLE story. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones that don't are more recent formulations. I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...) Jon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"Ignoramus14057" wrote in
message ... I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it. How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy test that I can subject the oil to? I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all that oil if I can burn it. Thanks The simple test for sulfur is to heat the oil and see if it tarnishes polished copper. I don't know how to detect other cutting oil additives, that test is for fuel or lubricating oil. http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/nbs...cpaperT177.pdf See pages 8 and 9. Chemistry has moved to more sensitive and accurate testing with instruments, so the simple and accessible methods are in old books. You might find more by searching for the "copper mirror" test with a newer computer than mine. Another simple test is to burn a small quantity and look for a solid residue of ash from additives. You could compare the result to the residues or lack of them from known samples of hydraulic, motor and cutting oils. But I can't tell you if the oil is safe or legal to burn. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to
tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones that don't are more recent formulations. I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...) Jon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus I'm guessing that the manufacturer of Iggy's oil burner was more concerned about damage to the burners than to pollution, unless it's a new one. Until the last decade or so, industrial cutting oils usually contained sulfur and, often, they were chlorinated. Neither one sounds healthy for metal burners -- or for your lungs. Cutting oil recycled in a sump is sure to contain ultrafine metal particles, as well. Filters in those systems have their limits. -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. He's not from RCM, Christopher. He's one of the nutcases from the survivalist newsgroups, who wound up here when Gunner cross-posted on one of his trolling expeditions. Prepper moved in here to see if he can raise some hell. That's all he really does. He's a real sicko, obsessed with gay sex and cross-dressing, and he's taken a liking to me because he's blind and deaf. g! Most people have killfiled him. That's the best policy. Either that, or just ignore him. -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057
wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Cutting oils might have heavy metals in them which the EPA doesn't want floating around the atmo. Or the chlorinated types might corrode the burners or valving. Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it. How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy test that I can subject the oil to? I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all that oil if I can burn it. I wonder how much it would cost to have a lab test it for composition. You're in the right area for it: industrial. I wonder if oil recyclers have that capacity now. -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Was. -- Stoop and you'll be stepped on; stand tall and you'll be shot at. -- Carlos A. Urbizo |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy
wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:54:30 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Was. I doubt it. He's always been a **** for as long as I've known him, and I know him intimately if you know what I mean. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too. Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-). -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:17:03 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson wrote: On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones that don't are more recent formulations. I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...) Jon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus I'm guessing that the manufacturer of Iggy's oil burner was more concerned about damage to the burners than to pollution, unless it's a new one. Until the last decade or so, industrial cutting oils usually contained sulfur and, often, they were chlorinated. Neither one sounds healthy for metal burners -- or for your lungs. Cutting oil recycled in a sump is sure to contain ultrafine metal particles, as well. Filters in those systems have their limits. If the oil contains chlorinated hydrcarbons then phosgene gas being generated in a furnace is a disitinct likelyhood. Since chlorinated hydrocarbons used to be in several pretty common tapping fluids and are still used as degreasers today they might be in that oil. I'll bet an oil analysis isn't very expensive compared to the money you can save burning the stuff and the money it would cost you if your furnace was damaged. Or if you or somebody else breathed in a little phosgene. Are you required to take the oil? How much time do you have to test the oil? Eric |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:40:05 +1100, Jon Anderson
wrote: On 14/02/2018 2:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: But what you're really looking for is an indicator that a material is or is not cutting oil. There's no assurance of this, but most dedicated cutting oils have contained sulfur for decades. The ones that don't are more recent formulations. I wonder what the chances are that there's a mix of cutting and lubricating oil. And, even if sulfer isn't present, there might be other components not good for the burner, or that might emit toxic fumes. (more toxic than from burning straight lubricating oil...) Perhaps fine metal particles that would damage the pump and/or nozzles. Jon --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum "On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular contribution by CuCl)." I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative. -jsw |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum "On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular contribution by CuCl)." I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative. -jsw Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect the elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in that field for a number of years but not at the detailed end , mainly the user interface end but you still pick up how it works and I was shown some of the old gear where you had to take the readings off meters. These days as I understand it they use CCDs and the instrument is more versatile in its analysis range. I'm out of that field now so things may have moved on further but the background science is the same but the means of accessing it improves. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. What happened to this group? From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too. Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-). Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow. I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking his gun barrel. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too. Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-). Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow. I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking his gun barrel. That's a good thought, Perry, but we tried that about a year ago. When he gets bored, he starts posting to RCM again and sniping away. Then he goes wild with slander and insults in other NGs. I'm ignoring him here, and I try to remember not to include RCM in my replies. So, if you killfile him, it should be like he's never been here. These flare-ups from the survivalist NGs happen from time to time. Gunner will cross-post some provocation, and the nutjobs pour in. The survivalist groups are the source of almost all of the noise on RCM, and have been, for around 15 - 18 years. Fortunately, they're impotent cowards. Unfortunately, they make a mess of other NGs. Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM. -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. What happened to this group? From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG. You've got it. Gunner started it; Cliff picked it up, and then TMT and Kopypasta Keller picked it up after Cliff died and TMT disappeared. But, as Rudy Canoza once said, he never would have known that RCM existed if Gunner hadn't started cross-posting. Now the other nutjobs have RCM on their cross-posting lists, and they keep coming in here and trying to make life miserable. -- Ed Huntress |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"David Billington" wrote in message
... On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect the elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in that field for a number of years but not at the detailed end , mainly the user interface end but you still pick up how it works and I was shown some of the old gear where you had to take the readings off meters. These days as I understand it they use CCDs and the instrument is more versatile in its analysis range. I'm out of that field now so things may have moved on further but the background science is the same but the means of accessing it improves. "Each beam of light is then directed to a tiny slit on what is called an aperture plate. The aperture plate is a thick metal device, about 10 inches wide by 18 inches long, and the slits engraved in it are finer than a human hair. The aperture plate allows us to measure the intensity of each beam, using a device known as a photomultiplier tube." Photomultipliers are light-amplifying vacuum tubes, the ancestors of the microchannel plate. -jsw |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. What happened to this group? From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG. That was then, this is now. For the past year or so Ed has been trolling the survivalist groups. He is on record right here I RCM stating he would go there to stir up ****. The **** in a dress chickens are just coming home to roost. Go look in alt.survival, don't take my word for it. Who ate you going to believe, me or your lying eyes? |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:28:15 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:04:08 +0800, Perry wrote: On 14-Feb-18 10:39 PM, Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. What happened to this group? From what I can recall many years back Gunner Asch used to cross post all sorts of crap to survivalist groups effectively inviting a bunch of nutbags into what WAS a really good productive NG. You've got it. Gunner started it; Cliff picked it up, and then TMT and Kopypasta Keller picked it up after Cliff died and TMT disappeared. But, as Rudy Canoza once said, he never would have known that RCM existed if Gunner hadn't started cross-posting. Now the other nutjobs have RCM on their cross-posting lists, and they keep coming in here and trying to make life miserable. -- Ed ****dress You're a lying stank nasty **** in a dress troll. You have surpassed Gunner, Rudy, Cliff, Keller, and TMT combined. Cliff used to like wearing dresses too. Did he will some to you? You ****ing crossposting cross-dressing pedophile **** in a dress. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote:
On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too. Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-). Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow. I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking his gun barrel. It doesn't work that way Perry. He can ignore me here in RCM but that doesn't change his trolling in alt.survival. I'm just one of his chickens that followed him home. Soon I'll be bringing all of my friends to RCM.. The **** in a Dress thinks it's fun, I've been holding off thinking he would take his smelly **** dress and go back to sashaying in RCM. RCM that spawns Usenet's biggest trolls like TMT, the Douchebag (RIP), Curls (RIP), Cliff (RIP), and soon to be Ed ****inadress (BIH). Keep trolling our group **** in a Dress.Your in your death spiral. You've got nothing, you've ruined your family name, you're a **** in a dress gay pedophile, and we're all laughing while we watch your demise. Thanks Perry, for being the smartest member of RCM by taking the initiative of reeling in one of usenets biggest RCM's trolls. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:24:26 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:06:40 +0800, Perry wrote: On 15-Feb-18 12:15 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:08:42 -0600, Red Prepper wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Are you high on drugs? Ed is the biggest crossposting troll in alt.survival The newsgroup has been trying to get rid of him for years but he keeps coming back. Go see for yourself what a "good guy" he really is. He's like a cancer, but now the tumor where it originated, RCM, is going to grow bigger. **** Ed Huntress the **** in a dress troll. If you think he's such a good guy, then you must like having sex with little boys just like he does. He knows you won't go see how much he trolls our group, so he continues his innocent charade and you chumps believe him. Keep your troll inside his cage,RCM has spawned the biggest troll on usenet and Ed is the biggest in history, worse that TMT at this point. The **** dress he wears doesn't help. Think he's a good guy? Go look for yourself you chump. Oh, I forgot to mention -- he's a pathological liar, too. Prepper is in serious need of some couch time -- or he would be, if he could find a shrink who would dare to get near him on a couch. d8-). Ed try an experiment. Ignore and don't respond to this Pecker fellow. I'd bet within a couple of weeks he'll get bored and return to stroking his gun barrel. That's a good thought, Perry, but we tried that about a year ago. When he gets bored, he starts posting to RCM again and sniping away. Then he goes wild with slander and insults in other NGs. I'm ignoring him here, and I try to remember not to include RCM in my replies. So, if you killfile him, it should be like he's never been here. These flare-ups from the survivalist NGs happen from time to time. Gunner will cross-post some provocation, and the nutjobs pour in. The survivalist groups are the source of almost all of the noise on RCM, and have been, for around 15 - 18 years. Fortunately, they're impotent cowards. Unfortunately, they make a mess of other NGs. Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM. -- Ed ****dress You're a lying **** in a dress troll. I never entered RCM until ..after months of your trolling in alt.survival. You've been asked to leave repeatedly by the group members, they all laugh at you behind your back, you senile old **** in a dress. It's not as if the RCM members don't know you ate a troll, they can go see for themselves in a.survival No, they would rather pretend it's not true because they like looking at you in your **** dress. Why would you ever want to leave here? Just looking for some strange? You ****ing crossposting cross-dressing, pedophile, **** in a dress! Stay the **** out of alt.survival unless you have something on-topic to post about. You're a square peg there. Nobody wants you there. They've all asked you to.leave. You've been voted the most likely to catch a bullet between the eyes when SHTF. Nobody there is interested in having gay sex with you, no matter how much you beg. Beat it ****dress, nobody wants you in alt.survival, you fagot **** in a dress. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:24:26 -0500, Ed Huntress
wrote: Sorry about that. I'll do what I can to keep them out of RCM. -- Ed ****dress Too late you **** in a dress. We're going to be moving in here real soon. This looks like a nice place, so I'm getting the band back together. Go ahead, troll some more in alt.survival, that way I won't feel so bad about what happens to RCM. You ****ing homo **** in a dress, stank nasty ****. Nice to see the members of RCM waking up and taking notice of your trolling. See? They're not as stupid and tolerant like you said they were. Now bend over Ed, because you're about to get a lot of butthurt. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum "On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular contribution by CuCl)." I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative. -jsw Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts of things, including Sulfur in Oil. Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the reasons are for not allowing cutting oil. And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked regularly by schools, government labs, etc. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum "On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular contribution by CuCl)." I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative. -jsw Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts of things, including Sulfur in Oil. Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the reasons are for not allowing cutting oil. And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked regularly by schools, government labs, etc. I know how to use electronic, chemical and mechanical test instruments and grab whatever I see for sale, but except for oscilloscopes they are -very- rare. I searched for an RF spectrum analyzer for many years, then after finding one spent a couple more years looking for a tracking generator to use it as a scalar network analyzer. For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them calibrated and prepare the test samples, too. I learned this at a part-time laboratory job while in high school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing -jsw |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
... "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... .... And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked regularly by schools, government labs, etc. ... For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them calibrated and prepare the test samples, too. Even weighing things requires care and some training. http://www5.csudh.edu/oliver/che230/...al/propuse.htm |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:55:28 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. The elements of interest in engine oil come from the gears and bearings and aren't all the same as in cutting oil. I would ask them if they know and can test for the additives in cutting fluids, such as halogens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum "On a simple level, flame emission spectroscopy can be observed using just a flame and samples of metal salts. This method of qualitative analysis is called a flame test. For example, sodium salts placed in the flame will glow yellow from sodium ions, while strontium (used in road flares) ions color it red. Copper wire will create a blue colored flame, however in the presence of chloride gives green (molecular contribution by CuCl)." I learned spectroscopy on an instrument built in the 1930's that projected the spectrum from the sample onto a glass plate negative. -jsw Point taken, but that's just one lab. This place https://polarislabs.com/testing/oil-analysis/ can test for all sorts of things, including Sulfur in Oil. Of course, rather than having a bunch of rcm folks speculating, the thing to do would be to call the heater manufacturer and ask them how to tell if the oil is OK for burning in their unit, and what the reasons are for not allowing cutting oil. And Iggy, why haven't you scrounged a mass spectrometer for under fifty bucks? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were junked regularly by schools, government labs, etc. I know how to use electronic, chemical and mechanical test instruments and grab whatever I see for sale, but except for oscilloscopes they are -very- rare. I searched for an RF spectrum analyzer for many years, then after finding one spent a couple more years looking for a tracking generator to use it as a scalar network analyzer. For some of them you need training and equipment to keep them calibrated and prepare the test samples, too. I learned this at a part-time laboratory job while in high school. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing -jsw I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage (rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating excess equipment, but destroying it is easy. That you have had a hard time finding the equipment that you're looking for is due, in some part, to the fact that you're not Iggy. He seems to have a real knack for this. After all, we're talking about a ton or so of oil that's merely incidental to a scrap metal purchase. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:56:02 PM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"David Billington" wrote in message ... On 14/02/18 22:55, Jim Wilkins wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:50:03 -0600, Ignoramus14057 wrote: I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Regulations or not, some oil additives or contaminants may end up making nasty fumes that you may end up breathing. Lab tests for oils are cheap - $28 from this place https://www.blackstone-labs.com/standard-analysis.php I'm sure you could find a place in the Chicago area to do it, and then you'll know for sure what you have. ============================ According to this https://www.blackstone-labs.com/spec...of-the-lab.php they can test only for elements that correspond to fixed slit positions (wavelengths) in the spectrum. Sounds like optical emission spectroscopy where in the old days the machines would be tailored to the type of samples being analysed by placing the photomultiplier tubes on the spectrum lines to detect the elements signature lines spread out by the prism. I worked in that field for a number of years but not at the detailed end , mainly the user interface end but you still pick up how it works and I was shown some of the old gear where you had to take the readings off meters. These days as I understand it they use CCDs and the instrument is more versatile in its analysis range. I'm out of that field now so things may have moved on further but the background science is the same but the means of accessing it improves. "Each beam of light is then directed to a tiny slit on what is called an aperture plate. The aperture plate is a thick metal device, about 10 inches wide by 18 inches long, and the slits engraved in it are finer than a human hair. The aperture plate allows us to measure the intensity of each beam, using a device known as a photomultiplier tube." Photomultipliers are light-amplifying vacuum tubes, the ancestors of the microchannel plate. -jsw Further to all of this, I mentioned oil testing services because they are relatively plentiful and cheap, but easily as plentiful but maybe not as cheap (I don't know, never having used one) are analytical laboratories that have the capability of showing you whatever detail you are willing to pay for. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
"rangerssuck" wrote in message
... On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage (rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating excess equipment, but destroying it is easy. ===== A town employee who sees interesting things at the dump gives me some. I have a Harbor Freight 61969 miter saw in the repair queue for this spring, in exchange for working on a generator he salvaged for his dad. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 2018-02-14, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Ignoramus14057" wrote in message ... I bought a very large geat cutting machine for scrap. This machine is sitting in a pit full of oil. I spoke to the person who maintained it and he says that the oil is only lube oil and NOT cutting oil. I have a oil fired furnace Clean Burn CB2800. I burn all my oil, mostly used hydraulic oil, in it to save on natural gas costs. The instruction to the furnace says "DO NOT USE CUTTING OIL". I am not sure why exactly, either the furnace will be damaged or due to environmental regulations. Someone else from the company said that cutting oil "might" be in it. How can I tell? Is smell a good enough indicator? Is there any easy test that I can subject the oil to? I am talking at least a ton of oil if not several tons. And I need all that oil if I can burn it. Thanks The simple test for sulfur is to heat the oil and see if it tarnishes polished copper. I don't know how to detect other cutting oil additives, that test is for fuel or lubricating oil. http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/nbs...cpaperT177.pdf See pages 8 and 9. Chemistry has moved to more sensitive and accurate testing with instruments, so the simple and accessible methods are in old books. You might find more by searching for the "copper mirror" test with a newer computer than mine. Another simple test is to burn a small quantity and look for a solid residue of ash from additives. You could compare the result to the residues or lack of them from known samples of hydraulic, motor and cutting oils. But I can't tell you if the oil is safe or legal to burn. Thanks a lot. I tried this method with a polished copper bar. The bar did not tarnish. I decided to take the oil and took three large caged plastic totes with oil and two barrels. I definitely appreciate the help and I enjoyed that old book from 1920. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 2018-02-14, Red Prepper wrote:
I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. I surely do hope that Ed will show up in this discussion, unlike you, you ignorant turd. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On 2018-02-14, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 06:39:48 -0800 (PST), Christopher Tidy wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 14:33:53 UTC+1 schrieb Red Prepper: I'm sure Ed ****dress, the **** In A Dress will be along shortly to tell you everything he knows about lubricating oils and gels. If your good, he'll even let you try them out together. Honestly, what happened to this group? Ed is a good guy. Was. Ed is a great guy, he just has a weird anti-Trump political platform. |
How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
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How to tell "Cutting Oil" from "Lubricating Oil"
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:41:42 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote: "rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 7:21:11 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote: I'm not trivializing the skill it takes to run this sort of test. I'm just pointing out that stuff like this often ends up in the garbage (rather than at an auction house) because either someone is too lazy or the institution doesn't have a mechanism for selling or donating excess equipment, but destroying it is easy. ===== A town employee who sees interesting things at the dump gives me some. I have a Harbor Freight 61969 miter saw in the repair queue for this spring, in exchange for working on a generator he salvaged for his dad. I have the single-bevel style of that saw and happily used it for 8 years in my handyman service. It's still in good shape and running. I wish I had a friend at the dump. It's unconscionable what people throw away. Nicked cord on a $3,000 device? Toss it. sigh -- However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results. -- Sir Winston Churchill |
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