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Tom, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, because if you are going to
accuse the scientists at Oak Ridge of ignorance with regard to nuclear
energy that is _exactly_ what you are doing.


I don't believe that's what he did. I believe he was 'diagonally' denying
that they would be ignorant enough to pronounce the word "nuculus".


You're stretching quite far. Quite frankly the argument he is using is
the sort of thing my mother would go on at length about. Doesn't matter
if someone has three Nobel Prizes and wrote the Great American Novel, if
she didn't like his pronunciation you'd hear about it for weeks.

I keep seeing people who know a great deal about nuclear energy criticed
by people who know very little about it because the experts use a
regional pronunciation for that one word.

Somebody needs to get a video camera and make the rounds of operating
staff at nuclear power plants, asking each member to pronounce the word.
Then do the same for PhD nuclear engineers and physicists.
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I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh



You made women's clothes? ;-)
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"Softwear Services"

You made women's clothes? ;-)


(Mike... that's... um... "after-dark 'services'...)

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I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh



You made women's clothes? ;-)


That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!

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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh



You made women's clothes? ;-)


That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!



Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)


That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!



Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)


Precisely. wink

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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!



Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)


Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)


Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


It's challenging to accurately crank the Bridgeport handles while
you're wobbling around on heels. Or so I hear.


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David Billington wrote:
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
I noticed this one in an explosives chemistry forum (speaking of
charcoal types):

"... 18v dewalt saw-zaw ..."

A society in which the members cannot communicate any technical
information in detail cannot prosper.

Lloyd



Yes I agree. I was asking a compressor supplier about one of their
products recently and was told it was a 'D' rated compressor by email. I
called them and got the information that what he meant was derated.



You should have asked if they had any E rated compressors.

John


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Tom, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, because if you are going to
accuse the scientists at Oak Ridge of ignorance with regard to nuclear
energy that is _exactly_ what you are doing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular
"U.S. presidents who have used this pronunciation include Dwight D.
Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush."


Hilarious.... wiki roolz!!

I'm still thanking Gawd dat Obamer does NOT say mouf, teef, and bruhva....
But if nukyooler is becoming mainstream by some inevitable tyranny of an
ilitirit majority, then I guess mouf, teef, bruhva are on their way to
Merriam/Oxford.....


Carter used both versions.


And Carter was a nookyooler engineer, in the Navy!
So I guess it IS nookyooler!!!!!!!

Fact remains, J Clarke is an effing asshole. Him and Heron should go
camping together, with one sleeping bag.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)


Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


What, you disbelieve?

http://medford.craigslist.org/for/3248254888.html

http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/3135993333.html

http://artcarving.biz/ Soon to be a real website and business.

http://tinyurl.com/964bv6m I look completely different in this than
she does, if you can believe that. titter

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which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)

Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


It's challenging to accurately crank the Bridgeport handles while
you're wobbling around on heels. Or so I hear.



I heard that was why NC machines were invented...
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote
On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


It's challenging to accurately crank the Bridgeport handles while
you're wobbling around on heels. Or so I hear.


I heard that was why NC machines were invented...


Nancyboy Controlled??



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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)

Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


What, you disbelieve?

http://medford.craigslist.org/for/3248254888.html



Only ONE table saw? I have three that need repaired.

http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/3135993333.html



So, something useful came out of Hollywood?


http://artcarving.biz/ Soon to be a real website and business.



Good luck. I'm trying to get someone to help me replace the rotting
'Dutch Lap' siding on my smallest shop with Cement Board. it's too
brittle for me to try to get in place with one hand:

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=128526-34299-217863&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3090005&catalogId=10051& cmRelshp=rel&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1

The lumber yards around here call it 'Novelty Lumber' and want almost
$3 a square foot for what looks like seconds. The cement board will
cost me $0.85 per square foot. 14 sheets will do it, and I have a new
steel door that needs to be frames & hung. It will be the only air
conditioned shop, and 12' * 12' outside dimensions. It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.


http://tinyurl.com/964bv6m I look completely different in this than
she does, if you can believe that. titter



You prefer Victoria's Secret? ;-)


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Larry Jaques wrote:

Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.

It's challenging to accurately crank the Bridgeport handles while
you're wobbling around on heels. Or so I hear.


I heard that was why NC machines were invented...


Nancyboy Controlled??



Which is why they had to go to CNC. There weren't enough operators
named Nancy. ;-)
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:13:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)

Precisely. wink


Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


What, you disbelieve?

http://medford.craigslist.org/for/3248254888.html



Only ONE table saw? I have three that need repaired.

http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/3135993333.html



So, something useful came out of Hollywood?


Once upon a time.


http://artcarving.biz/ Soon to be a real website and business.



Good luck. I'm trying to get someone to help me replace the rotting
'Dutch Lap' siding on my smallest shop with Cement Board. it's too
brittle for me to try to get in place with one hand:


I hate that crap with a passion. I've only done one job with it and
it killed a blade cutting one sheet twice. Heavy, brittle junk!
Me no like.


http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=128526-34299-217863&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3090005&catalogId=10051& cmRelshp=rel&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1

The lumber yards around here call it 'Novelty Lumber' and want almost
$3 a square foot for what looks like seconds. The cement board will
cost me $0.85 per square foot. 14 sheets will do it, and I have a new
steel door that needs to be frames & hung.


Take the steel door back and buy one of wood or fiberglass. Metal
dents and looks like hell, plus it gets hot as Hades in the sun.


It will be the only air
conditioned shop, and 12' * 12' outside dimensions. It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.


Arid conditioning in a shop is mandatory. Yeah, I don't look forward
to getting a living out of SS in 6 (ten by then?) years...


http://tinyurl.com/964bv6m I look completely different in this than
she does, if you can believe that. titter



You prefer Victoria's Secret? ;-)


He had only one secret.

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the defeat of habit by originality, overcomes everything.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:

What, you disbelieve?

http://medford.craigslist.org/for/3248254888.html



Only ONE table saw? I have three that need repaired.

http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/3135993333.html



So, something useful came out of Hollywood?


Once upon a time.

http://artcarving.biz/ Soon to be a real website and business.



Good luck. I'm trying to get someone to help me replace the rotting
'Dutch Lap' siding on my smallest shop with Cement Board. it's too
brittle for me to try to get in place with one hand:


I hate that crap with a passion. I've only done one job with it and
it killed a blade cutting one sheet twice. Heavy, brittle junk!
Me no like.



This is Central Florida where the rot proof & termite proof is a good
idea. I hope never to test the fireproof part. The only cutting will be
for the door & A/C. I'm taking out the pair of late '60s crank out
windows to conserve usable wall space. I already have a circular saw
blade sharpener.



http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=128526-34299-217863&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=3090005&catalogId=10051& cmRelshp=rel&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1

The lumber yards around here call it 'Novelty Lumber' and want almost
$3 a square foot for what looks like seconds. The cement board will
cost me $0.85 per square foot. 14 sheets will do it, and I have a new
steel door that needs to be frames & hung.


Take the steel door back and buy one of wood or fiberglass. Metal
dents and looks like hell, plus it gets hot as Hades in the sun.



It's on the north side of the builkding, n never in direct sunlight.
I only paid $20 for a 200 + pound fire rated door from a surplus
building supply place, 10+ years ago.


It will be the only air
conditioned shop, and 12' * 12' outside dimensions. It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.


Arid conditioning in a shop is mandatory. Yeah, I don't look forward
to getting a living out of SS in 6 (ten by then?) years...



I'm not allowed any income on VA disability. That ends in two years.


http://tinyurl.com/964bv6m I look completely different in this than
she does, if you can believe that. titter



You prefer Victoria's Secret? ;-)


He had only one secret.



That sounds quite painful! ;-)
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This is Central Florida where the rot proof & termite proof is a good
idea. I hope never to test the fireproof part. The only cutting will be
for the door & A/C. I'm taking out the pair of late '60s crank out
windows to conserve usable wall space. I already have a circular saw
blade sharpener.


HF or otherwise? Which reminds me, I bought a panel cutting saw,
Makita 6001K plunge saw, which I need to buy a spare blade for. I did
some zero to 3/32" cuts on a screen door the other day and it
performed flawlessly. $400, but worth every cent.


Take the steel door back and buy one of wood or fiberglass. Metal
dents and looks like hell, plus it gets hot as Hades in the sun.



It's on the north side of the builkding, n never in direct sunlight.
I only paid $20 for a 200 + pound fire rated door from a surplus
building supply place, 10+ years ago.


Did I mention "icy in winter"? OK, at $20, that's a real
honest-to-Crom deal. You must have really needed it ten years ago,
huh? chortle


Arid conditioning in a shop is mandatory. Yeah, I don't look forward
to getting a living out of SS in 6 (ten by then?) years...



I'm not allowed any income on VA disability. That ends in two years.


Ouch!


You prefer Victoria's Secret? ;-)


He had only one secret.


That sounds quite painful! ;-)


I don't -even- want to know. Really! shudder

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It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.

Hmmm, I'm sort of doing that with a real web commerce store, but people are
really cheap! I can't imagine what would happen if I tried to sell on eBay,
I think people would want a year of free phone support for a $1 item
that cost me $0.99 to make. It is REALLY hard to make any money when
selling to the hobby-level group, with competition from China, etc.

Jon


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.

Hmmm, I'm sort of doing that with a real web commerce store, but people are
really cheap! I can't imagine what would happen if I tried to sell on eBay,
I think people would want a year of free phone support for a $1 item
that cost me $0.99 to make. It is REALLY hard to make any money when
selling to the hobby-level group, with competition from China, etc.



I'm looking at things that aren't on Ebay, or a way to take a handful
of modules and make a complete product. I have several DDS modules, but
I found the sample schematic from the IC OEM is wrong. There are two
ways to interface the chip. A parallel PC printer port, or a serial
interface from a 92C51 processor. One item is a USB interface board, to
turn a module into a nice programmable signal generator for less than a
commercial product.
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I'm looking at things that aren't on Ebay, or a way to take a handful
of modules and make a complete product. I have several DDS modules, but
I found the sample schematic from the IC OEM is wrong. There are two
ways to interface the chip. A parallel PC printer port, or a serial
interface from a 92C51 processor. One item is a USB interface board, to
turn a module into a nice programmable signal generator for less than a
commercial product.

Well, the problem is to sell something cheaply enough that people will buy
it, but still make a profit on making them. Maybe I'm just no good at
marketing. I do make some money at this, but not a lot. So, I was just
suggesting you look at the possibility of actually earning a living income
this way very carefully, not through rose-colored glasses.

And, of course, if you are making a "comlpete product" you have to
worry about FCC compliance and maybe product safety testing, too.
ARgghhh, big $$$

Jon
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

It will be a place
to build control boards for my projects. Lots of microscopic surface
mount parts that will require a microscope to place & solder. I go on
SS in two years, and I'm thinking about offering some electronics kits
on Ebay.

Hmmm, I'm sort of doing that with a real web commerce store, but people are
really cheap! I can't imagine what would happen if I tried to sell on eBay,
I think people would want a year of free phone support for a $1 item
that cost me $0.99 to make. It is REALLY hard to make any money when
selling to the hobby-level group, with competition from China, etc.


Sell the item for a buck and the support for it for $15 per call. Note
on the auction that nobody from China offers _any_ kind of support.
After the first 20 calls, make sure your FAQ answers are online so
they don't have to call. You won't make much for your time, but you
will make something, and if anyone complains, refer them to the
support plan. win/win

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Michael A. Terrell wrote:


I'm looking at things that aren't on Ebay, or a way to take a handful
of modules and make a complete product. I have several DDS modules, but
I found the sample schematic from the IC OEM is wrong. There are two
ways to interface the chip. A parallel PC printer port, or a serial
interface from a 92C51 processor. One item is a USB interface board, to
turn a module into a nice programmable signal generator for less than a
commercial product.

Well, the problem is to sell something cheaply enough that people will buy
it, but still make a profit on making them. Maybe I'm just no good at
marketing. I do make some money at this, but not a lot. So, I was just
suggesting you look at the possibility of actually earning a living income
this way very carefully, not through rose-colored glasses.

And, of course, if you are making a "comlpete product" you have to
worry about FCC compliance and maybe product safety testing, too.
ARgghhh, big $$$



All I was going to build was the interface. The DDS module is too
cheap to make in house, and test equipment rarely needs FCC approval.
The DDS module can only put out a 0 to 5 volt signal, which is about 120
mW. A lot of signal generators produce higher outputs and don't require
FCC approval, since they don't radiate the signal when used properly.
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:22:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
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Larry Jaques wrote:

I had a Pennysaver ad come out once, and I quickly bit their heads off
for it. They said I offered "Softwear Services". sigh


You made women's clothes? ;-)

That's why I ripped 'em a new one. I -didn't- make women's clothing.
(I kept those to wear myself. Er, oops!


Only on the weekend, no doubt. While listening to Monty Python's
"I'm a Lumberjack & I'm OK"? ;-)

Precisely. wink



Well, it looks like you have more than one hobby.


What, you disbelieve?

http://medford.craigslist.org/for/3248254888.html

http://medford.craigslist.org/tls/3135993333.html

http://artcarving.biz/ Soon to be a real website and business.

http://tinyurl.com/964bv6m I look completely different in this than
she does, if you can believe that. titter


http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...&storeId=10051

Place to put tools......


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