On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:57:02 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

I strongly doubt that the owner would go along with this. I sure as
hell wouldn't.

Dogs respond much better to the carrot than to the stick though some
stick is sometimes necessary. Some breeds are nearly oblivious to
pain, labs being a notable example, but if shown stick and reward in
quick succession they figure that out quickly enough.

Example: say "come" softly, pull on leash. Praise upon arrival.
Repeat. After some of that, take off leash. Say "come" softly. If
dog responds, praise lavishly. The first time he does not respond,
replace leash, say "come" softly and damned near yank his head off --
then praise lavishly upon arrival.

Training a dog by shouting is foolish. Dogs hear just fine, and
quickly learn to ignore all but shouted commands when shouting is the
demonstrated form of emphasis.

Excessive use of pain as a motivator can ruin what might otherwise
have been a good dog. When they get surly and sneaky, they're ruined
and may as well be put down sooner than later.

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.

excellent solution, Don.
And Karl!

so do kids...

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:21:15 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:


Karl
Tell the kids what's happening and that the kittens are as close to you as
the dog is to them. Kids can often cut through the BS better than
grown-ups, they might have a perfect solution.

Tom, I think you're spot on here. One of the kids works for me. I can
get the word to my neighbor without having to do the direct
confrontation.

Good idea. It's time for them to keep their killer dog in check at
their expense, not yours.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch


The guys are trying to tell you something here, Karl.

If you get seen in public (or even on your own property?)
carrying a shotgun, YOU will be the aggressor.

I'd expect to hear wailing sirens and deputies by the score.

A diplomatic solution with a friend and good neighbor is certainly the
best approach, but there is nothing remarkable about a Minnesota
farmer afield on his own land with a shotgun defending his livestock
against animals that may be pets at home but are predators attacking
Karl's pets on his land.

That said, Karl ain't about to kill a pet belonging to his neighbor
and friend without first exploring and exhausting diplomatic
solutions. I've visited Karl and Julie at their farm. Enjoyed some
killer-good rhubarb cake and coffee that Julie had made. They're nice
folks. There won't be any sirens or deppitys.

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:00:34 -0400, Steve Walker
wrote:


Others have valid suggestions. If it happens again, take pictures of the
mauled kittens, go to the neighbor's house, and show the pictures to the
kids, in front of the neighbor, and inform them if the dog comes on your
property again, he will end up looking like the kittens.

Friends are friends, but pets are family members, and deserve to be
protected when on their own property.

It's his responsibility, not yours.

Well said. I'd be slightly less oblique: rather than saying he will
end up looking like the mauled kittens, I'd simply say he will be
mercifully shot and killed because that would be a honest prognosis.

Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:21:15 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Karl
Tell the kids what's happening and that the kittens are as close to you as
the dog is to them. Kids can often cut through the BS better than
grown-ups, they might have a perfect solution.

Tom, I think you're spot on here. One of the kids works for me. I can
get the word to my neighbor without having to do the direct
confrontation.
Good idea. It's time for them to keep their killer dog in check at
their expense, not yours.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

The guys are trying to tell you something here, Karl.

If you get seen in public (or even on your own property?)
carrying a shotgun, YOU will be the aggressor.

I'd expect to hear wailing sirens and deputies by the score.

A diplomatic solution with a friend and good neighbor is certainly the
best approach, but there is nothing remarkable about a Minnesota
farmer afield on his own land with a shotgun defending his livestock
against animals that may be pets at home but are predators attacking
Karl's pets on his land.

That said, Karl ain't about to kill a pet belonging to his neighbor
and friend without first exploring and exhausting diplomatic
solutions. I've visited Karl and Julie at their farm. Enjoyed some
killer-good rhubarb cake and coffee that Julie had made. They're nice
folks. There won't be any sirens or deppitys.

I have a hard time breaking out Minnesota from rural Texas.
You may be right.

But is it worth the risk?



--

Richard Lamb

Don Foreman wrote:
That said, Karl ain't about to kill a pet belonging to his neighbor
and friend without first exploring and exhausting diplomatic
solutions. I've visited Karl and Julie at their farm. Enjoyed some
killer-good rhubarb cake and coffee that Julie had made. They're nice
folks. There won't be any sirens or deppitys.


I envy you that, Don.

I suspect I'd be right at home.


You may be right.
--

Richard Lamb

Don Foreman wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:00:34 -0400, Steve Walker
wrote:


Others have valid suggestions. If it happens again, take pictures of the
mauled kittens, go to the neighbor's house, and show the pictures to the
kids, in front of the neighbor, and inform them if the dog comes on your
property again, he will end up looking like the kittens.

Friends are friends, but pets are family members, and deserve to be
protected when on their own property.

It's his responsibility, not yours.

Well said. I'd be slightly less oblique: rather than saying he will
end up looking like the mauled kittens, I'd simply say he will be
mercifully shot and killed because that would be a honest prognosis.

you are right.
Of course.


Pets are family members - until they cross the line...

Honesty is the best policy.


Always.

--

Richard Lamb

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:30:36 -0400, Steve Walker
wrote:



However, IF IT WERE ME, there would be no second chance. I love my pets,
and would rather lose a friend, than allow his animals to kill one more
of my pets. Obviously, the neighbor knows what is going on, and is not
being serious enough in restraining his dog.

Quote:

"My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can."

Unquote

Sounds like this has happened more than once. To me, once is an
unfortunate incident, twice is negligence, and would result in a missing
dog before I would let it happen again.

Roger that. First time, marble from slingshot and subsequent
meaningful dialog with neighbor and friend. A second time shows that
neighbor and friend cares more about his dog's pleasure than my
friendship or pets so his dog's malicious marauding stops when the
55-grain ballistic-tip .223 drops him like a sack of doorknobs.

Friendship must never be a hostage situation.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
snip
I've visited Karl and Julie at their farm. Enjoyed some
killer-good rhubarb cake and coffee that Julie had made. They're nice
folks. There won't be any sirens or deppitys.


Yea well, when I was there he ran out of Doritos and looked at me funny
every time I called my cousin in Fiji on his phone!

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:56:49 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.


Several years back, the house two doors up on the next street were
harboring about a dozen cats - not certain of status, but they always
headed that way when startled. My solution was a sling shot with half
size ice cubes. I couldn't hit a bull in the arse with a scoop shovel
but when the ice cube hit the tin shed or board fence, cats tended to
scatter.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:14:35 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote:
... The dog runs from me on sight.

Then go to a local novelty print shop and have a life-sized cardboard
cutout of yourself made, with a motion detector light.

Problem solved, and no harm done!

Cheers!
Rich

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

Thanks,
Rich

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:50:20 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

I've heard that it's not the dogs that need obedience school - it's
their human keepers.

Thanks,
Rich

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:10:22 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've heard of squirt bottle for cats (who don't like water). I suspect
the water on the dog will not do much. Except to convince the dog it's
play time.

Well, even then - wouldn't "play time" be better than "attack the cat
time"? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:56:19 -0500, aasberry wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

It is really your neighbor's problem. But...I would approach him with
"what can WE do about this?" But, be prepared for a response of "while
we are on the subject, what can WE do about your cats crapping in my
flower bed?"

That would be your responsiblity but an easy fix. There are repellant
granules.

I vote for turning up the invisible fence collar first.

Or maybe restraining the cats from crapping in the flower bed.

Regards,
Rich

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:50:20 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:57:02 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

Agreed, but only for a couple seconds, until the dog starts doing a
skidding reversal.


I strongly doubt that the owner would go along with this. I sure as
hell wouldn't.

Dog owners -aren't- very bright, as we all know. gd&r


Dogs respond much better to the carrot than to the stick though some
stick is sometimes necessary. Some breeds are nearly oblivious to
pain, labs being a notable example, but if shown stick and reward in
quick succession they figure that out quickly enough.

Example: say "come" softly, pull on leash. Praise upon arrival.
Repeat. After some of that, take off leash. Say "come" softly. If
dog responds, praise lavishly. The first time he does not respond,
replace leash, say "come" softly and damned near yank his head off --
then praise lavishly upon arrival.

And by the time the dog is trained, the rest of the kittens are dead.


Training a dog by shouting is foolish. Dogs hear just fine, and
quickly learn to ignore all but shouted commands when shouting is the
demonstrated form of emphasis.

They're like humans. They can understand that the shouting means that
you're unhappy with them and respond accordingly, but only if it's
evenly and regularly used.


Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

Ayup.

The neighbors need to put up a dog-proof fence tomorrow, period.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:13:46 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

"Children? Yes, love them, parboiled or fried."
--W.C. Fields

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:37:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

But you can be sued for using a poison outside of its intended use.
Bad idea.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On 10/4/2010 5:30 PM, Steve Walker wrote:
On 10/4/2010 17:38, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
Steve Walker wrote:
Others have valid suggestions. If it happens again, take pictures of
the mauled kittens, go to the neighbor's house, and show the pictures
to the kids, in front of the neighbor, and inform them if the dog
comes on your property again, he will end up looking like the kittens.

He said they were close friends - you don't do that with close friends.
Well, I don't.

Sorry. See below, I didn't mean to infer not giving the other
suggestions a try.





Friends are friends, but pets are family members, and deserve to be
protected when on their own property.

Indeed they do, but he has a number of suggestions that are worth trying
before being offensive.

I should have phrased it better. Try the other valid suggestions first,
then if it happens again, etc.


However, IF IT WERE ME, there would be no second chance. I love my pets,
and would rather lose a friend, than allow his animals to kill one more
of my pets. Obviously, the neighbor knows what is going on, and is not
being serious enough in restraining his dog.

Quote:

"My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can."

Unquote

Sounds like this has happened more than once. To me, once is an
unfortunate incident, twice is negligence, and would result in a missing
dog before I would let it happen again.

My wife would not tolerate this happening to her pets, and it would soon
be her or my neighbor I'd have to do without. My course of action should
be obvious.

Steve, I'm right there with you. Our cats are the children my wife never
had. If a dog were to attack any one of them, there would be a very dead
dog. Ours are inside-only cats.

--
I can see November from my front porch

On 10/5/2010 2:13 AM, Rich Grise wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

Eggs

--
I can see November from my front porch

I'd get a paintball gun. On full auto you could spray a burst well in
front of him to get him scurrying away from you to avoid putting out
an eye and then once he turns tail nail him in the hind quarters to
your hearts content.

Steve P.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:56:49 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.


Several years back, the house two doors up on the next street were
harboring about a dozen cats - not certain of status, but they always
headed that way when startled. My solution was a sling shot with half
size ice cubes. I couldn't hit a bull in the arse with a scoop shovel
but when the ice cube hit the tin shed or board fence, cats tended to
scatter.

Something I learned a long while back--an acorn shot from a slingshot
stings like hell, makes a racket if it hits something amenable to
racket-making, but it won't usually break a window if it hits one (at
least the ones where I lived wouldn't).

If you're careful with your selection they also can have remarkably
uniform ballistics.

Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On 10/5/2010 11:47 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

If he's on smoke break he won't be botherin' those cats

But I guess nothing would get that neighbor's attention like seeing his
dog come running home with his ass on fire!


--
I can see November from my front porch

In article ,
says...

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

FWIW, I nailed one with Magnamax and the HVLP sprayer today.

RBnDFW wrote:

On 10/5/2010 11:47 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

If he's on smoke break he won't be botherin' those cats

But I guess nothing would get that neighbor's attention like seeing his
dog come running home with his ass on fire!


Turpintining his ass will do that without even lighting it. He will
try to break the world's land speed record oon four feet, though.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

"J. Clarke" wrote:

In article ,
says...

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

FWIW, I nailed one with Magnamax and the HVLP sprayer today.


I took out a very large bee with some gelled paint stripper in a
spray can lid once. It's a good thing it was a direct hit when I threw
the gell at the bee. That type doesn't lose it's stinger, and are very
aggressive.


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:37:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

But you can be sued for using a poison outside of its intended use.
Bad idea.

--

Hit the intruder with the hornet spray, drag him to a linoleum floor THEN
shoot him a few times! (Just kidding---sponsor the guy in a rehabilitation
program then get him a job and move him into your house until he's on his
feet.)

You almost have it - you hit the intruder, drag him into the kitchen and
put hornet attractant on his body. Open the door.

Then try to remember how to dial 9-1-1...

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 10/5/2010 3:36 PM, Buerste wrote:
"Larry wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:37:52 -0400,
wrote:


"Stormin wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

But you can be sued for using a poison outside of its intended use.
Bad idea.

--

Hit the intruder with the hornet spray, drag him to a linoleum floor THEN
shoot him a few times! (Just kidding---sponsor the guy in a rehabilitation
program then get him a job and move him into your house until he's on his
feet.)

On 10/5/2010 5:56 AM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.





I have been reading this thread for some time, and note that there are a
lot of good suggestions. But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog. It is not lethal (when
used correctly), will sting and leave a temporary mark to show that the
dog was where it was not supposed to be.

On 10/6/2010 3:17 AM, bobm46 wrote:
On 10/5/2010 5:56 AM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least
excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.





I have been reading this thread for some time, and note that there are a
lot of good suggestions. But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog. It is not lethal (when
used correctly), will sting and leave a temporary mark to show that the
dog was where it was not supposed to be.

Scroll back a few posts and you will see that it was mentioned.
I agree, and I'm surprised it wasn't suggested earlier in the thread.


--
I can see November from my front porch

In article ,
says...

On 10/5/2010 5:56 AM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 15:47:50 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Karl Townsend writes:

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener.

If using a firearm against a neighbor's pets if unlawful in your
jurisdiction, the particular load you choose will not in the least excuse
your crime. It is one thing to shoot varmints, and another to shoot
"members of the household", as some people consider their pets.

Marauding dogs (or cats) forfeit "pet" status when they trespass on
another's land in rural MN. If they attack pets or livestock on
another's land, they're fair game.





I have been reading this thread for some time, and note that there are a
lot of good suggestions. But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog. It is not lethal (when
used correctly), will sting and leave a temporary mark to show that the
dog was where it was not supposed to be.


And if you use a red paintball it will scare the crap out of the owner
of the dog until they find out that the dog is covered in paint, not
blood.

bobm46 writes:

But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog.

Many pet owners consider their pets as family members, and if one's family
member were to trot in with a humiliating splash of paint, a certain rage
against the marksman would ensue. I dislike pets and especially their
wandering fecula deliveries, but I do value comity with my neighbors. Once
offened, a neighbor tends to remain a permanent enemy. So if one were to
attempt this dubious strategy of launching missiles against the intruders,
discretion would be indicated, and paintballs are the very opposite of
discretion.

Not to mention making a mess of your own landscape.

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
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bobm46 writes:

But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog.

Many pet owners consider their pets as family members, and if one's family
member were to trot in with a humiliating splash of paint, a certain rage
against the marksman would ensue. I dislike pets and especially their
wandering fecula deliveries, but I do value comity with my neighbors.
Once
offened, a neighbor tends to remain a permanent enemy. So if one were to
attempt this dubious strategy of launching missiles against the intruders,
discretion would be indicated, and paintballs are the very opposite of
discretion.

Not to mention making a mess of your own landscape.

Which is why Airsoft was invented. 400 FPS will do a number on vinyl siding,
though:-)

On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:49:08 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

bobm46 writes:

But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog.

Many pet owners consider their pets as family members, and if one's family
member were to trot in with a humiliating splash of paint, a certain rage
against the marksman would ensue. I dislike pets and especially their
wandering fecula deliveries, but I do value comity with my neighbors. Once
offened, a neighbor tends to remain a permanent enemy. So if one were to
attempt this dubious strategy of launching missiles against the intruders,
discretion would be indicated, and paintballs are the very opposite of
discretion.

Not to mention making a mess of your own landscape.

Ya never know, Dr. Kinch. Karl knows his neighbor and friend. A
good neighbor and long-time friend might even see humor in his
marauding dog coming home redassed, soreassed and possibly chastened
after being caught molesting Julie's kittens. The dog isn't injured
so no harm done. Kids and dogs, ya know.

Branding its marauding arse with a paintball purely beats dropping it
DRT with a .223 in terms of preserving comity with a neighbor and
friend. Good friends and neighbors in MN know that comity cuts both
ways.

On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:45:55 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:49:08 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

bobm46 writes:

But I am somewhat surprised that no one has yet
suggested a paintball gun to discourage the dog.

Many pet owners consider their pets as family members, and if one's family
member were to trot in with a humiliating splash of paint, a certain rage
against the marksman would ensue. I dislike pets and especially their
wandering fecula deliveries, but I do value comity with my neighbors. Once
offened, a neighbor tends to remain a permanent enemy. So if one were to
attempt this dubious strategy of launching missiles against the intruders,
discretion would be indicated, and paintballs are the very opposite of
discretion.

Not to mention making a mess of your own landscape.

Ya never know, Dr. Kinch. Karl knows his neighbor and friend. A
good neighbor and long-time friend might even see humor in his
marauding dog coming home redassed, soreassed and possibly chastened
after being caught molesting Julie's kittens. The dog isn't injured
so no harm done. Kids and dogs, ya know.

Branding its marauding arse with a paintball purely beats dropping it
DRT with a .223 in terms of preserving comity with a neighbor and
friend. Good friends and neighbors in MN know that comity cuts both
ways.

Well, if they're such good friends and neighbors, why doesn't he just
say, "Could you please keep your dog from eating my wife's pussy?"

EWWWW - sorry - That just popped into my head in the middle of that
sentence, and I don't know what came over me, I just couldn't restrain
myself. =:-O

Sorry.
Rich

Rich Grise writes:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:50:20 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

I've heard that it's not the dogs that need obedience school - it's
their human keepers.

A completely true statement: the class is about teaching you to train
your dog. You do the training every day between classes (my dog is
currently looking reproachfully at me, since she's gotten so little time
lately...).
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