My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

On Oct 3, 8:47*am, Karl Townsend
wrote:
My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.

FWIW, Cats have a FAR longer life expectancy when kept indoors. It's
not just dogs & cars, it's all the nasty diseases that they can catch
outside.

On Oct 3, 8:47*am, Karl Townsend
wrote:
My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.


Karl

No experience here, but a couple of thoughts. .......... But maybe
you could put an electric fence ( either invisible or ordinary )
around the area the kittens are in.

Dan

On Oct 3, 6:47*am, Karl Townsend
wrote:
My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

That rock salt will still be a serious projectile, and rock salt is
sharp enough to penatrate through skin and rib cage and end up with a
lung shot that will cause the dog to bleed to death. You need to do a
custom load where you control how much powder is behind your
projectile, that is beyond me. I've had similar problems, a bee-bee
gun with just a spring or a multi-pump air rifle with only one or two
pumps may control the lethal-ness. At any rate this elevates the
problem where your neighbor friend will end. Your only solution may
be to kill the dog.

My wife lost two calico kittens this spring, and I believe it was my
neighbor's coon hunting dog that did them in. Like you, there would
be too many indoor cats if we kept them indoors, as my wife is also a
pkt. Same tricks, that feather is amazing at tricking the feral-ness
out of them. That, and good genetics (per the vet, some cats are
naturally more tame), as I've seen some that always have a level of
skittishness, and they were handled by my pkt at an early age. All of
our cats have been neutered, but seems we get 2+ cats per year that
were abandoned out in our rural area. Most are tame, and wanting
human touch.

I have the opposite problem of a neighbor that does not like cats (or
any other wildlife) and shoots the outdoor cats that have collars with
rabies vaccination tags. SOB ambushes them through an open window.

ignator

On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT), Nancy Kotalik
wrote:

On Oct 3, 6:47*am, Karl Townsend
wrote:
My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

That rock salt will still be a serious projectile, and rock salt is
sharp enough to penatrate through skin and rib cage and end up with a
lung shot that will cause the dog to bleed to death. You need to do a
custom load where you control how much powder is behind your
projectile, that is beyond me. I've had similar problems, a bee-bee
gun with just a spring or a multi-pump air rifle with only one or two
pumps may control the lethal-ness. At any rate this elevates the
problem where your neighbor friend will end. Your only solution may
be to kill the dog.

My wife lost two calico kittens this spring, and I believe it was my
neighbor's coon hunting dog that did them in. Like you, there would
be too many indoor cats if we kept them indoors, as my wife is also a
pkt. Same tricks, that feather is amazing at tricking the feral-ness
out of them. That, and good genetics (per the vet, some cats are
naturally more tame), as I've seen some that always have a level of
skittishness, and they were handled by my pkt at an early age. All of
our cats have been neutered, but seems we get 2+ cats per year that
were abandoned out in our rural area. Most are tame, and wanting
human touch.

I have the opposite problem of a neighbor that does not like cats (or
any other wildlife) and shoots the outdoor cats that have collars with
rabies vaccination tags. SOB ambushes them through an open window.

ignator


That SOB has forgotten that bullets travel into open windows just as
well as out of them.

They dont have to be aimed to kill..but it certainly catches their
attention the moment they come under fire.

Use of a 2 liter bottle over the muzzle of a .22 would be indicated
.......




I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Oct 3, 6:47*am, Karl Townsend
wrote:
My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

That rock salt will still be a serious projectile, and rock salt is
sharp enough to penatrate through skin and rib cage and end up with a
lung shot that will cause the dog to bleed to death. You need to do a
custom load where you control how much powder is behind your
projectile, that is beyond me. I've had similar problems, a bee-bee
gun with just a spring or a multi-pump air rifle with only one or two
pumps may control the lethal-ness. At any rate this elevates the
problem where your neighbor friend will end. Your only solution may
be to kill the dog.

My wife lost two calico kittens this spring, and I believe it was my
neighbor's coon hunting dog that did them in. Like you, there would
be too many indoor cats if we kept them indoors, as my wife is also a
pkt. Same tricks, that feather is amazing at tricking the feral-ness
out of them. That, and good genetics (per the vet, some cats are
naturally more tame), as I've seen some that always have a level of
skittishness, and they were handled by my pkt at an early age. All of
our cats have been neutered, but seems we get 2+ cats per year that
were abandoned out in our rural area. Most are tame, and wanting
human touch.

I have the opposite problem of a neighbor that does not like cats (or
any other wildlife) and shoots the outdoor cats that have collars with
rabies vaccination tags. SOB ambushes them through an open window.

ignator

In article ,
says...

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Is there a reason you can't use a can of bear spray on it?

On 10/3/2010 12:18 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In ,
says...

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Is there a reason you can't use a can of bear spray on it?




Ask a mailman what what he uses.
RR

Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...


Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from
the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious
injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?


Is there a reason you can't use a can of bear spray on it?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:37:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

But you can be sued for using a poison outside of its intended use.
Bad idea.

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 04:37:52 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Bear spray is good, if you can get within five feet or so of the
offending dog. And if the wind is blowing the proper direction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.

But you can be sued for using a poison outside of its intended use.
Bad idea.

--

Hit the intruder with the hornet spray, drag him to a linoleum floor THEN
shoot him a few times! (Just kidding---sponsor the guy in a rehabilitation
program then get him a job and move him into your house until he's on his
feet.)

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.

On 10/5/2010 11:47 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

If he's on smoke break he won't be botherin' those cats

But I guess nothing would get that neighbor's attention like seeing his
dog come running home with his ass on fire!


--
I can see November from my front porch

In article ,
says...

Buerste wrote:

Hornet spray is better and has a 25'+ range. Also makes a great home
defense weapon and wont put holes in your walls or get blood on the rug.


Have you ever tried starting fluid? I've used it when I was out of
wasp spray and it drops wasps even faster. Of course you can't use it
if the dog is smoking. ;-)

FWIW, I nailed one with Magnamax and the HVLP sprayer today.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

If you have a chronograph, you might experiment with low mass
larger-dia projectiles like plastic slugs or ??? to see what powder
charge in a shotgun approximates the m.v. of a slingshot. Note that
some powders should not be used with less than published minimum
charges; read the manual!

I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

That's a good idea. I won't have to ask my neighbor before doing this.
I haven't used a wrist rocket in forty years, what range are they
accurate too? The dog runs from me on sight.

Karl

On 10/3/2010 9:14 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:

I haven't used a wrist rocket in forty years, what range are they
accurate too? The dog runs from me on sight.

With marbles, you can be reasonably accurate out to 50 yards with
practice. Not paper-punching accurate, but send-the-dog-a-message
accurate. If you were once accurate with one, it will come back quickly.

Around here, there's been close to some Hatfield/McCoy level feuds over
animals killing/mauling livestock, and the shooting of guilty dogs.
Mostly the problem stems from city folk that think dogs have a God given
right to roam the countryside, and refuse to accept Fifi might still
have some vestiges of feral hunting instincts.

Had a neighbor's dog come almost into my garage years ago and give me
attitude like I was on his turf. I told the neighbor, next time he does
that, the dog dies right there on the spot. Had no more problems after
that. But, it's a lot tougher when the dog owner is a friend...


Jon

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:14:35 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:


I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

That's a good idea. I won't have to ask my neighbor before doing this.
I haven't used a wrist rocket in forty years, what range are they
accurate too? The dog runs from me on sight.

Karl

It should be noted that I once killed a 175lb white tail buck with a
Wrist Rocket, using ball bearings at a range of about 30 feet.

Smacked a 1/2" steel ball into the side of his skull just behind the eye
socket and he was dead before he hit the ground. And dug the bearing out
of the far side of his brain pan.

Go with as small a marble as you can and try not to shoot them in the
head..or in the body under 20 feet or less

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 20:58:39 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


SNIP


It should be noted that I once killed a 175lb white tail buck with a
Wrist Rocket, using ball bearings at a range of about 30 feet.

Smacked a 1/2" steel ball into the side of his skull just behind the eye
socket and he was dead before he hit the ground. And dug the bearing out
of the far side of his brain pan.

Go with as small a marble as you can and try not to shoot them in the
head..or in the body under 20 feet or less

Gunner

Hey Gunner,

Have a peek at this guy.....

http://www.wimp.com/toogood/

As the dog runs from you on sight. A super soaker of plain water, do
you think you can get close enough for that?

The salt load (fired from second floor window?) sounds reasonable.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
...

I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

That's a good idea. I won't have to ask my neighbor before doing this.
I haven't used a wrist rocket in forty years, what range are they
accurate too? The dog runs from me on sight.

Karl

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:13:22 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

As the dog runs from you on sight. A super soaker of plain water, do
you think you can get close enough for that?

If the dog is a lab, he'd think that was almost as much fun as getting
buried by the snow blower and want to play every day.

The salt load (fired from second floor window?) sounds reasonable.

Not to me.

Risk of stray salt crystals hitting eyes would deter me from that. I
wouldn't want to injure a dog. I'd want to either drop it DRT (dead
right there) if it needs to be destroyed, else cause it enough
discomfort to modify its behavior without injuring it.

I would never have thought that a basset hound could pass a Cessna,
but when I tagged one that was spraying my shrubs with a marble he was
outta there like an RPG. I was aiming for his rear haunch, hit him in
the balls. ZOW!

We had a dog problem with a neighbor at the lake this summer. They'd
go away somewhere (probably to work) but leave the dogs out and they'd
bark incessantly all damned day. That really got to be tedious. So
when I saw them out sitting on the porch on Saturday, I mosied over,
said hi, then started to tell them a story:

"I had a dog once that I was very fond of who, at about age 5,
suddenly developed the habit of barking all damned day. Someone
called the cops rather than saying anything to me personally and the
cops said I'd need to correct that problem immediately. I understood
that; the dog was being a goddamned nuisance and I'd feel the same
way.

Mary broke Charlie of that barking habit in about 4 hours. I'll skip
the details of her very creative and effective solution.

I thought you might like to know that Harley (the dog at the lake) has
been a goddamned nuisance lately when you've been gone, and we'd sure
appreciate it if you'd do something about that."

That worked. They did. Problem solved. That wouldn't work with a
neighbor that is a determined asshole, but these young folks aren't
that way at all and I don't think Karl's neighbor is either.

Karl knows that in rural MN there are no leash or noise nuisance
ordinances. The sheriff, off the record, would tell you that if a dog
is a nuisance then shoot it, bury it and don't mention it. But
that's not a viable course with a neighbor you get along with and
would like to continue getting along with.

I'm not making up the bit about the sheriff. Our friend Becky had a
bunch of kids at her lake place in Aitkin County, a neighbor's dog was
loose and scaring the crap out of the children. Becky went over and
asked the neighbor to restrain his dog at least for that day. He told
her to go to hell. She called the sheriff. The sheriff said there's
no law being broken so there's nothing he could do. Becky is not
easily put off so she told the sheriff that the situation was
unacceptable, what should she do? The sheriff said it wasn't his
place to advise her on what she should do, but if were him he'd shoot
the damned dog.

So Becky grabbed the .357 Magnum she keeps in her bedroom, went over
to the neighbor's with the gun in her hand pointed at the ground, and
asked him if he might reconsider restraining the dog for the
afternoon.

By golly, he did!

excellent solution, Don.
And Karl!

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:14:35 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote:
... The dog runs from me on sight.

Then go to a local novelty print shop and have a life-sized cardboard
cutout of yourself made, with a motion detector light.

Problem solved, and no harm done!

Cheers!
Rich

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 11:35:13 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

If you have a chronograph, you might experiment with low mass
larger-dia projectiles like plastic slugs or ??? to see what powder
charge in a shotgun approximates the m.v. of a slingshot. Note that
some powders should not be used with less than published minimum
charges; read the manual!

If it was me, I'd put the kittens in a protected place and put the
onus on the neighbor. Let them figure out the solution, it's their
dog. I'd hate to have a good neighbor turn into a bad one because I
accidently killed their kids dog. I'd tell them that too. Close
friends would understand that sentiment.

Newb

On 10/3/2010 11:35 AM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl

I use a wrist-rocket slingshot and marbles. They sting like hell but
don't break the skin. One hit is usually enough to send a marauding
pooch on his way at warp speed.

If you have a chronograph, you might experiment with low mass
larger-dia projectiles like plastic slugs or ??? to see what powder
charge in a shotgun approximates the m.v. of a slingshot. Note that
some powders should not be used with less than published minimum
charges; read the manual!

There are a lot of specialty 12-ga loads like beanbags, and some that
just put out a LOT of shock and blast. One of those might be useful.

Years ago a friend of mine lived in a mostly rural development, nice
homes on 2acres or more. He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him. They would run to meet him when they saw his truck coming home.
New neighbor (police officer at nearby Large City) moved nearby,
with two very expensive purebred dogs, some large breed. He let them run
free, and they developed a taste for my friend's chickens. One morning
he saw both dogs in his yard, each with a dead hen in his mouth. He
grabbed his 30-30 and dropped both dogs with one (lucky) shot. Loaded
the dogs in his pickup, drove to owner's driveway. As owner came out, my
friend dragged the dogs out onto the drive, said "Here's your F---ing
dogs. you owe me $XX.XX for the poultry they killed.
They neighbor said nothing, and paid up.

In Texas, dogs that destroy property become fertilizer.


--
I can see November from my front porch

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

Thanks,
Rich

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:13:46 -0700, Rich Grise
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

"Children? Yes, love them, parboiled or fried."
--W.C. Fields

--
Know how to listen, and you will
profit even from those who talk badly.
-- Plutarch

On 10/5/2010 2:13 AM, Rich Grise wrote:
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 11:27:30 -0500, RBnDFW wrote:

He kept guinea foul that were like children to
him.

So, they weren't for eating?

Eggs

--
I can see November from my front porch

I'd get a paintball gun. On full auto you could spray a burst well in
front of him to get him scurrying away from you to avoid putting out
an eye and then once he turns tail nail him in the hind quarters to
your hearts content.

Steve P.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl


How about a chain for the dog?

On the other hand....rock salt may do the job..IF you see him coming and
nail him the moment he hits the yard. And aim at the ass end ..rock salt
will blind any critter you hit in the face with it.

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time

It would appear that the invisible fence is not set up high enough. At
this point..Id set up his collar to knock his dick in the dirt.



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:57:02 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:47:52 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:

My neighbor's dog has developed a blood taste for Milady's kittens.
When it brakes out of the invisible fence, the dog makes a bee line up
here to hunt and kill as fast as it can.

My neighbor and I are close friends. His kids adore that dog. So I
need to come up with something non lethal and preferably no large vet
bill.

Anyway, I've heard of filling a 12 gauge shell with rock salt from the
water softener. Will shooting an animal with this just barely break
the skin, my goal? What range? I know if I'm too close serious injury
could result. Anyone with experience here?

One simple question, should I re-seal the top of the shell with melted
paraffin? Or another way?

Karl


How about a chain for the dog?

On the other hand....rock salt may do the job..IF you see him coming and
nail him the moment he hits the yard. And aim at the ass end ..rock salt
will blind any critter you hit in the face with it.

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time

It would appear that the invisible fence is not set up high enough. At
this point..Id set up his collar to knock his dick in the dirt.

Thanks for the added suggestions. Gives me a couple options to ask the
neighbor to get. i need to think a couple days on how to ask polite
but firm.

I did order a wrist rocket. The nieghbor put the dog on a chain, for
now. I know it will be released as it really suffers being chained.

Karl

On 10/3/2010 11:42 AM, Karl Townsend wrote:

I know it will be released as it really suffers being chained.

And little kittens really suffer when being chewed on by a dog...
Wishing you the best, this issue is really a potential minefield.


Jon

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:42:13 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:


And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time

It would appear that the invisible fence is not set up high enough. At
this point..Id set up his collar to knock his dick in the dirt.

Thanks for the added suggestions. Gives me a couple options to ask the
neighbor to get. i need to think a couple days on how to ask polite
but firm.

I did order a wrist rocket. The nieghbor put the dog on a chain, for
now. I know it will be released as it really suffers being chained.

Karl


No dog "suffers" from being chained unless he is chained in a dangerous
spot such as in full sun and away from water.

He may not like it very much, but thats not your problem.

Most folks let the dog out on the chain for a bit, let em **** and ****,
then bring em back into the house.

Now the dog may not LIKE being chained..but..shrug..again thats not your
problem.

Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 21:02:30 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 14:42:13 -0500, Karl Townsend
wrote:


And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time

It would appear that the invisible fence is not set up high enough. At
this point..Id set up his collar to knock his dick in the dirt.

Thanks for the added suggestions. Gives me a couple options to ask the
neighbor to get. i need to think a couple days on how to ask polite
but firm.

I did order a wrist rocket. The nieghbor put the dog on a chain, for
now. I know it will be released as it really suffers being chained.

Karl


No dog "suffers" from being chained unless he is chained in a dangerous
spot such as in full sun and away from water.

He may not like it very much, but thats not your problem.

Most folks let the dog out on the chain for a bit, let em **** and ****,
then bring em back into the house.

Now the dog may not LIKE being chained..but..shrug..again thats not your
problem.


My little girl gets excited when she sees me with the snap of her
chain in my hand because it means she gets to lay with her tummy on
the cool grass and watch me do yard work or some other interesting
thing, or maybe even toss her Frisbee (plastic ice cream tub lid)
around for her to bark at.
Gunner


I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Gunner Asch wrote:

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

And he will try coming onto the property via several different
directions after lighting his ass up the first time

Except for the duration suggested, this is the most humane, and also the
most effective method. Since OP is willing to work with the neighbor, there
shouldn't be any problem in implementing it, either.

I will add that the dog likely doesn't need to be shocked for 30 seconds, as
a few seconds of pain achieves the same result, especially when coupled with
with a stern verbal reinforcement from the owner.

Jon

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:57:02 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Or you can buy/rent/borrow a good STRONG shock collar and watch him
coming..the moment he hits the yard..push the button and hold it down
while he goes into spasms and apparent convulsions. Hold that button
down for more than 30 seconds!! Have his owner shout NO!!! repeatedly
while doing it..then let up and let the owner continue to shout NO!!
until the dog recovers and runs home.

It may..may take 3-4 such treatments before its burned into his brain
that coming over to your place hurts and is a Bad Thing (tm)

I strongly doubt that the owner would go along with this. I sure as
hell wouldn't.

Dogs respond much better to the carrot than to the stick though some
stick is sometimes necessary. Some breeds are nearly oblivious to
pain, labs being a notable example, but if shown stick and reward in
quick succession they figure that out quickly enough.

Example: say "come" softly, pull on leash. Praise upon arrival.
Repeat. After some of that, take off leash. Say "come" softly. If
dog responds, praise lavishly. The first time he does not respond,
replace leash, say "come" softly and damned near yank his head off --
then praise lavishly upon arrival.

Training a dog by shouting is foolish. Dogs hear just fine, and
quickly learn to ignore all but shouted commands when shouting is the
demonstrated form of emphasis.

Excessive use of pain as a motivator can ruin what might otherwise
have been a good dog. When they get surly and sneaky, they're ruined
and may as well be put down sooner than later.

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

so do kids...

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:50:20 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

I've heard that it's not the dogs that need obedience school - it's
their human keepers.

Thanks,
Rich

Rich Grise writes:

On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:50:20 -0500, Don Foreman wrote:

Some dogs just aren't worth a **** from the gitgo. If they're just
stupid and basically untrainable but someone loves them then they get
kept, but a pet that harms or kills someone else's livestock or pets
is not acceptable. The options are to restrain it, retrain it, or
destroy it.

I've heard that it's not the dogs that need obedience school - it's
their human keepers.

A completely true statement: the class is about teaching you to train
your dog. You do the training every day between classes (my dog is
currently looking reproachfully at me, since she's gotten so little time
lately...).
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