"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Every time we walked up close to check our shots. we'd each shoot a 1/2 clip
of glock 9MM. Used up 200 rounds. I kicked "the kid's" ass here. He needs
more practice. He'll be better than me next time - he's just had the gun a
week and never really shot a hand gun before.

Then for off hand rifle shooting. I'm very used to the mini-14 and held
about a six inch diameter on the target if I shot slowly. More like a foot
for rapid fire. "The kid" is considerably better than me on the mini-14.
Used up over 100 rounds.

We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this heavy
gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I could tell I
quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim circles to shoot on
the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped after two boxes of ammo, its
a buck a shot.


All in all a very fun day. I haven't spent an entire day with my son for a
few years now.

Karl

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Every time we walked up close to check our shots. we'd each shoot a 1/2 clip
of glock 9MM. Used up 200 rounds. I kicked "the kid's" ass here. He needs
more practice. He'll be better than me next time - he's just had the gun a
week and never really shot a hand gun before.

Then for off hand rifle shooting. I'm very used to the mini-14 and held
about a six inch diameter on the target if I shot slowly. More like a foot
for rapid fire. "The kid" is considerably better than me on the mini-14.
Used up over 100 rounds.

We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this heavy
gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I could tell I
quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim circles to shoot on
the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped after two boxes of ammo, its
a buck a shot.


All in all a very fun day. I haven't spent an entire day with my son for a
few years now.

Karl

Karl...when you are standing up and shooting..how are you...em...have
momma take a few pictures of your stance and how you hold the rifle and
Ill tell you what you are doing wrong. Feel free to leave your face off
if it makes you nervous..




Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.


Every time we walked up close to check our shots. we'd each shoot a 1/2 clip
of glock 9MM. Used up 200 rounds. I kicked "the kid's" ass here. He needs
more practice. He'll be better than me next time - he's just had the gun a
week and never really shot a hand gun before.

Good, you both found your sweeter positions with different arms.


Then for off hand rifle shooting. I'm very used to the mini-14 and held
about a six inch diameter on the target if I shot slowly. More like a foot
for rapid fire. "The kid" is considerably better than me on the mini-14.
Used up over 100 rounds.

We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this heavy
gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle?

Find a rest, any rest. Short of that, build up your upper body and
practice with it daily for 6 months. Cha CHING!


I could tell I
quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim circles to shoot on
the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped after two boxes of ammo, its
a buck a shot.

Ouch!


All in all a very fun day. I haven't spent an entire day with my son for a
few years now.

That's great, Karl. Congrats.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Every time we walked up close to check our shots. we'd each shoot a 1/2 clip
of glock 9MM. Used up 200 rounds. I kicked "the kid's" ass here. He needs
more practice. He'll be better than me next time - he's just had the gun a
week and never really shot a hand gun before.

Then for off hand rifle shooting. I'm very used to the mini-14 and held
about a six inch diameter on the target if I shot slowly. More like a foot
for rapid fire. "The kid" is considerably better than me on the mini-14.
Used up over 100 rounds.

We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this heavy
gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I could tell I
quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim circles to shoot on
the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped after two boxes of ammo, its
a buck a shot.

Go to
http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/car...hooting+Sticks

Scroll down to the Vanguard Bipod 2. This particular one has a very
wide range of heights suitable for positions from sitting to offhand.
The legs are like on a tripod with cam locks that are quick to adjust.
It's quite surprising how much a bipod can help. Fitch punched a
groundhog right thru the boiler room at 170 yards shooting offhand
with one of these. Said GH was DRT (dead right there), dropped in
place. The bipod weighs about 1 lb.

Ammo: once-fired .308 brass is about 20 cents ea if/when you can find
it. I hope you kept your brass from today.

Primer, about 3 cents recently in St. Cloud
Powder, about 20 cents worth
Bullet, about 10 cents for Meister lead, 20 to 30 cents for FMJ e.g.
Nosler, Hornady, etc

Total per round, about 60 cents plus or minus for first lot, about 40
cents to reload brass you already have. New Winchester brass is about
40 cents ea in lots of 50 or about 34 cents ea in lots of 500,
currently in stock at MidwayUSA. Remington brass is cheaper but it
doesn't last as long.

Karl...when you are standing up and shooting..how are you...em...have
momma take a few pictures of your stance and how you hold the rifle and
Ill tell you what you are doing wrong. Feel free to leave your face off
if it makes you nervous..

Thanks for the kind offer. I'll get you some pics tommorrow.

Karl

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock
9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com...


Karl...when you are standing up and shooting..how are you...em...have
momma take a few pictures of your stance and how you hold the rifle and
Ill tell you what you are doing wrong. Feel free to leave your face off
if it makes you nervous..

Thanks for the kind offer. I'll get you some pics tommorrow.

Karl



If you're going to reload, get me a mold and I make some bullets for you.

If you're going to reload, get me a mold and I make some bullets for you.

You got yourself a deal. Email me exactly what you want.
karltownsendATembarqmail.com

....
Total per round, about 60 cents plus or minus for first lot, about 40
cents to reload brass you already have. New Winchester brass is about
40 cents ea in lots of 50 or about 34 cents ea in lots of 500,
currently in stock at MidwayUSA. Remington brass is cheaper but it
doesn't last as long.

I'm gittin in the reload bidness. I can see I need serious practice time to
master this shooter. I just ordered a Dillon 550 press. And "the kid"
offered to do the work.


Karl

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com...

If you're going to reload, get me a mold and I make some bullets for you.

You got yourself a deal. Email me exactly what you want.
karltownsendATembarqmail.com


I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

My next sleepless night (been happening often lately), I'll surf the web to
see what i can learn. Gunner, feel free to chime in here.

karl

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock
9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes
shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.

G

So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that
made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put
em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the
damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was
rather neat to see.

He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....

VBG

Gunner




"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:11:02 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
tanews.com...

If you're going to reload, get me a mold and I make some bullets for you.

You got yourself a deal. Email me exactly what you want.
karltownsendATembarqmail.com


I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

You really..really really dont want to use cast bullets in a gas
operated firearm. They are so light pressure wise that they wont cycle
the action (single shot, manual reload with the charging handle) and the
bullet grease and lead tends to foul the gas operating system in less
than 50 rds. It really doesnt hurt anything..but it requires a fair
amount of cleaning and muttering.

Ive shot a fair amount of them out of an 8mm FN-49..but with that arm
you can turn off the gas system.

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:33:58 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

My next sleepless night (been happening often lately), I'll surf the web to
see what i can learn. Gunner, feel free to chime in here.

karl


What do you need to know?

You dont need gas checks for rounds under 1600 fps. So most handguns
really dont require gas checks. Shrug

Ive got a fair amount of loading data in my files...about 25 notebooks
full actually....

Someday Ill put them into a computer...shrug



Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

Say, you seem to be a bullet expert. Any reason you can't turn yer own FMJ
on a lathe? What exact material? I got a CHNC that hasn't been run for three
months now. It will hold 2 tenths all day long. They must need plating after
turning. That's Don Forman's expertise.

Karl

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:01:42 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

...
Total per round, about 60 cents plus or minus for first lot, about 40
cents to reload brass you already have. New Winchester brass is about
40 cents ea in lots of 50 or about 34 cents ea in lots of 500,
currently in stock at MidwayUSA. Remington brass is cheaper but it
doesn't last as long.

I'm gittin in the reload bidness. I can see I need serious practice time to
master this shooter. I just ordered a Dillon 550 press. And "the kid"
offered to do the work.


Karl

After the first of the year component prices should go down...probably
by Febuary or March they should be within 10% of prices a year ago.

There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

http://www.allthatisguns.com/classif...&Submit=Search

http://www.hi-techammo.com/ (check down at the .30 Caliber
offerings)

and so forth

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

"Karl Townsend" wrote in message
anews.com...

I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles.
Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30
years. I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

Say, you seem to be a bullet expert. Any reason you can't turn yer own FMJ
on a lathe? What exact material? I got a CHNC that hasn't been run for
three months now. It will hold 2 tenths all day long. They must need
plating after turning. That's Don Forman's expertise.

Karl


I'm no expert by any means! It seems the more I learn, the less I know!
Gunner woud be my go-to about loads and projectiles and advised me on my
molds for pistol bullets and appropriate starting loads. I forgot you are
semi-auto and that changes things.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:17:12 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide
on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a
bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks
for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years.
I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.

Say, you seem to be a bullet expert. Any reason you can't turn yer own FMJ
on a lathe? What exact material? I got a CHNC that hasn't been run for three
months now. It will hold 2 tenths all day long. They must need plating after
turning. That's Don Forman's expertise.

Karl


Actually..they dont need plating at all. You can turn them from copper,
bronze and other similar alloys. Even brass. Though with
brass...velocities have to be kept pretty low.

Loading data is a bit scarce..but there is some out there. Solids are
often used for critters like Cape Horn Buffalo and so forth.

I should mention that stopping those bullets can be a real
issue......things like trees, buildings, motorvehicles etc tend to not
slow them down a hell of a lot.

A buddy of mine was CNC turning 50 BMG bullets for a secret government
entity..and they were winning shooting matches with great regularity. As
I recall..3" groups at 1000 yards was fairly common.


Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto
rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock
9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its
a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes
shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.

G

So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that
made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put
em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the
damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was
rather neat to see.

He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....

VBG

Gunner


I have a few rice-socks that I throw in the microwave and use for heating
pads on sore muscles. Rice won't sprout and is a lot lighter than sand.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes
shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.

G

So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that
made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put
em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the
damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was
rather neat to see.

He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....

Hmm. Time for me to fess up. I used a 50 lb. bag of tankage for my bull bag.
Tankage is the leftovers from butchering dried and ground. makes a great
deer repellant. Get it wet and you'll run for cover if you don't puke first.

Karl

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:02:19 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.

Bueno, bwana.

Q: have you ever tried the Browning Bulls bags, withe the X shape and
suede top? Do they work that much better?

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Yeah, that was VERY telling, wasn't it? And it's 1,xxx cats + 1xx
dogs, with just one Ex with him.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

I didn't see prices. Should i just price compare?

Karl

Karl Townsend wrote:
Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

You will be happy with the Dillon 550, I used one a lot in the 90's and
it is an excellent machine. Both of your powder choices are listed as
spherical or ball powders which is good. Ball powders always worked out
better for me in the 550 powder measure. I used BL-C2 for 223 and 30-06
with good results. The stick powders never seemed to behave well in the
Dillon powder measure for me.

I did not experiment around a lot with powders and loads. Once I
developed a load I liked, I stuck with it. I tried to minimize the
varieties of powder and components stocked. My objective was to load
rounds to shoot, not get into a pursuit of nirvanna and the "perfect" load.

A really useful tool to have is one of the go/no-go case gauges for each
caliber you load. I had a lot of feed problems with the 45 reloads until
I started size checking every case and discarding the out of spec ones.
Rifle brass can be trimmed and are worth it to do so. Pistol brass
just got tossed when it was out of spec.

Good Luck,
BobH

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:20:47 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

I didn't see prices. Should i just price compare?

Karl

Ive got xx pounds of 2520 G And will be needing to buy another keg or
two in the next year or so

2460 is a good powder..but its for lighter bullets. As I often load
190grainers in the 06, etc etc...its a bit too fast for my personal
comfort. As long as you use it only in the .223 (5.56) and the 308,
you should be in good shape.

Find which ever is the best price at the moment and buy a pound of each,
try em in your particular weapons, and pick the one you like.

Btw..ball powders meter like water..every charge will be dead nuts to
the next.

Gunner

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I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:37:59 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, "Buerste"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto
rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock
9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its
a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes
shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.

G

So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that
made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put
em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the
damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was
rather neat to see.

He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....

VBG

Gunner


I have a few rice-socks that I throw in the microwave and use for heating
pads on sore muscles. Rice won't sprout and is a lot lighter than sand.

True,,but some weight is good for sandbags for firearms usage.

Shrug

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

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Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:44:13 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:



Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.


Gunner


I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes
shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.

G

So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that
made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put
em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the
damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was
rather neat to see.

He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....

Hmm. Time for me to fess up. I used a 50 lb. bag of tankage for my bull bag.
Tankage is the leftovers from butchering dried and ground. makes a great
deer repellant. Get it wet and you'll run for cover if you don't puke first.

Karl

ROFLMAO! Thats cool! Neat Christmas presents for your friends too!

G

Gunner





"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
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Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:14:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:02:19 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:41:48 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend"
scrawled the following:

"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.

The Panther looks like a sweetheart.


We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.

Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used
them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x
shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with
a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.

A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a ****load of sandbags, all different
shapes and sizes.

Bueno, bwana.

Q: have you ever tried the Browning Bulls bags, withe the X shape and
suede top? Do they work that much better?

They work marvelously on shooting rests, clean bench tops and whatnot.

They are however..a bit expensive, so Ive never personally owned any.
Several of my friends have more money than good sense however and own
them. They are quite satisfied with them.

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:17:37 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Yeah, that was VERY telling, wasn't it? And it's 1,xxx cats + 1xx
dogs, with just one Ex with him.


Humm..I forget you guys actually have beaches and everything.

So go get some beach sand, clean out the condoms, bottle caps, wash it a
couple times to get the alge bloom out and then dry it and bag it.

Me...Ill go to the local dealer and get some mortor/playground sand
(washed white)

G

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:53:17 -0700, BobH
wrote:

Karl Townsend wrote:
Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

You will be happy with the Dillon 550, I used one a lot in the 90's and
it is an excellent machine. Both of your powder choices are listed as
spherical or ball powders which is good. Ball powders always worked out
better for me in the 550 powder measure. I used BL-C2 for 223 and 30-06
with good results. The stick powders never seemed to behave well in the
Dillon powder measure for me.

I did not experiment around a lot with powders and loads. Once I
developed a load I liked, I stuck with it. I tried to minimize the
varieties of powder and components stocked. My objective was to load
rounds to shoot, not get into a pursuit of nirvanna and the "perfect" load.

A really useful tool to have is one of the go/no-go case gauges for each
caliber you load. I had a lot of feed problems with the 45 reloads until
I started size checking every case and discarding the out of spec ones.
Rifle brass can be trimmed and are worth it to do so. Pistol brass
just got tossed when it was out of spec.

Good Luck,
BobH

Good post!

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

"Karl Townsend" wrote in
anews.com:

snip
We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this
heavy gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I
could tell I quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim
circles to shoot on the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped
after two boxes of ammo, its a buck a shot.

If you are shooting offhand at stationary targets, the secret is to use
your bones to hold up the rifle, not your muscles. A heavy rifle is very
stable and helps to soak up recoil as long as you can hold it up OK.

I'm sure there are web sites with good pictures, but the idea is to park
the elbow of your support arm on your hip bone, and then park the rifle on
your hand somewhere near the trigger guard. Every rifle & every shooter is
a little different. I like shooting my 308 bolt gun up on my finger tips,
with my thumb on the bottom of the trigger guard. Lots of folks park the
rifle on top of a closed fist. The DPMS 308 is perfect, because you can
use the bottom of the magazine as a palm rest. You'll want a leather glove
to avoid the sharp corners digging into your palm. Ideally, you want to
rest the bottom of the magazine on the heel of your hand. In order to get
the right elevation and balance the rifle, you may have to lean back a bit.

I rummaged through some photos of my team shooting in last spring's offhand
league. Here is a photo that shows the general idea. He's shooting a
custom .223 "spacegun" built up on an AR-15 platform.

http://users.rcn.com/gwhite/Misc/Offhand_sm.JPG

Doug White

Doug White wrote:
"Karl Townsend" wrote in
anews.com:

snip
We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this
heavy gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I
could tell I quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim
circles to shoot on the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped
after two boxes of ammo, its a buck a shot.

If you are shooting offhand at stationary targets, the secret is to use
your bones to hold up the rifle, not your muscles. A heavy rifle is very
stable and helps to soak up recoil as long as you can hold it up OK.

I'm sure there are web sites with good pictures, but the idea is to park
the elbow of your support arm on your hip bone, and then park the rifle on
your hand somewhere near the trigger guard. Every rifle & every shooter is
a little different. I like shooting my 308 bolt gun up on my finger tips,
with my thumb on the bottom of the trigger guard. Lots of folks park the
rifle on top of a closed fist. The DPMS 308 is perfect, because you can
use the bottom of the magazine as a palm rest. You'll want a leather glove
to avoid the sharp corners digging into your palm. Ideally, you want to
rest the bottom of the magazine on the heel of your hand. In order to get
the right elevation and balance the rifle, you may have to lean back a bit.

I rummaged through some photos of my team shooting in last spring's offhand
league. Here is a photo that shows the general idea. He's shooting a
custom .223 "spacegun" built up on an AR-15 platform.

http://users.rcn.com/gwhite/Misc/Offhand_sm.JPG

What are all the weird outfits?

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:33:38 GMT, Doug White
wrote:

"Karl Townsend" wrote in
tanews.com:

snip
We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this
heavy gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I
could tell I quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim
circles to shoot on the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped
after two boxes of ammo, its a buck a shot.

If you are shooting offhand at stationary targets, the secret is to use
your bones to hold up the rifle, not your muscles. A heavy rifle is very
stable and helps to soak up recoil as long as you can hold it up OK.

I'm sure there are web sites with good pictures, but the idea is to park
the elbow of your support arm on your hip bone, and then park the rifle on
your hand somewhere near the trigger guard. Every rifle & every shooter is
a little different. I like shooting my 308 bolt gun up on my finger tips,
with my thumb on the bottom of the trigger guard. Lots of folks park the
rifle on top of a closed fist. The DPMS 308 is perfect, because you can
use the bottom of the magazine as a palm rest. You'll want a leather glove
to avoid the sharp corners digging into your palm. Ideally, you want to
rest the bottom of the magazine on the heel of your hand. In order to get
the right elevation and balance the rifle, you may have to lean back a bit.

I rummaged through some photos of my team shooting in last spring's offhand
league. Here is a photo that shows the general idea. He's shooting a
custom .223 "spacegun" built up on an AR-15 platform.

http://users.rcn.com/gwhite/Misc/Offhand_sm.JPG

Doug White

Shooter #3 has far superior position.

Shrug

Pretty good post btw.

Though shooting an M16 clone by using the magazine as a rest does tend
to screw with critical recoil and "bedding" criteria.

Shrug again


Gunner


"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

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Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:20:47 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

I didn't see prices. Should i just price compare?

Karl

I've not loaded for .308 but AA2460 has delivered best performance by
a significant margin for both Fitch and I in our .223's.

AA2460 is a ball powder that should meter very consistently in your
550.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:58:37 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Doug White wrote:
"Karl Townsend" wrote in
anews.com:

snip
We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this
heavy gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I
could tell I quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim
circles to shoot on the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped
after two boxes of ammo, its a buck a shot.

If you are shooting offhand at stationary targets, the secret is to use
your bones to hold up the rifle, not your muscles. A heavy rifle is very
stable and helps to soak up recoil as long as you can hold it up OK.

I'm sure there are web sites with good pictures, but the idea is to park
the elbow of your support arm on your hip bone, and then park the rifle on
your hand somewhere near the trigger guard. Every rifle & every shooter is
a little different. I like shooting my 308 bolt gun up on my finger tips,
with my thumb on the bottom of the trigger guard. Lots of folks park the
rifle on top of a closed fist. The DPMS 308 is perfect, because you can
use the bottom of the magazine as a palm rest. You'll want a leather glove
to avoid the sharp corners digging into your palm. Ideally, you want to
rest the bottom of the magazine on the heel of your hand. In order to get
the right elevation and balance the rifle, you may have to lean back a bit.

I rummaged through some photos of my team shooting in last spring's offhand
league. Here is a photo that shows the general idea. He's shooting a
custom .223 "spacegun" built up on an AR-15 platform.

http://users.rcn.com/gwhite/Misc/Offhand_sm.JPG

What are all the weird outfits?

Shooting jackets.

When properly worn and adjusted..they strap portions of ones body in
rigid position. Shoulder padding also helps deaden recoil. Padding on
the elbows helps keep the elbows from being driven onto rocks in recoil
and the shiney spots on the left (and often right) arms is there to help
work with rifle slings.

The offhand round has little to do with most shooting jackets..but one
assumes they simply wont peel their jackets off to shoot standing up

Here are some various examples...

http://www.championshooters.com/coats.htm

http://www.creedmoorsports.com/store...cat=249&page=1

http://www.bushmaster.com/images/BFI-N002-200.gif


http://www.creedmoorsports.com/store...%20copy-01.jpg

Range examples...those coats in use..

http://www.smallbore.20m.com/smallbo...ore_rifle.html

http://www.pnghs.school.nz/jla/image...stephenson.jpg

http://www.mrra.org/images/hipower/standing.jpg

http://idahosrpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/6.jpg

A good Starter Pack for competition...

http://www.arringtonaccuracy.com/images/equipt.gif


Range eye gear....

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/image...g_glasses3.jpg



The above of course is for standard range shooting matchs, both high and
low power.

The gear for other shooting sports is often quite different....

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-cont...Chen_Lee_1.jpg

http://www.ccijax.com/action/images/...ted_pistol.JPG

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/...08/01/ussa.jpg

http://cwlmiami.com/magpul/carbine2.jpg

http://nwtrainingconcepts.com/yahoo_...171453_std.jpg

http://www.ciaadvisors.us/images/swa...amam__391h.jpg




Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:20:47 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

I didn't see prices. Should i just price compare?

Karl

I looked at some powders in QuickLoad v3.3. AA2460 and AA2520 will
certainly work in .308 but safe loads won't be as fast as factory ammo
with 150 gn bullets. A slower powder fits better.

Powders that look good for 150 gn FMJ in a shortish barrel are, in
decending order of muzzle velocity for safe max pressu

Vihtavuori N550
IMR3031
IMR4895
Winchester 760
Winchester 748
Hodgdon H4350
Hodgdon BL-C2

A lot of shooters really like Varget. It's a ways down the Quickload
list for that caliber and bullet but still within 75 fps of the
fastest, and Varget is a very consistent powder which bodes well for
accuracy. It's also very versatile.

However, I think all of these are extruded stick powders. If you're
going to meter volumetrically with your Dillon 550 then AA2520, which
is a ball powder, may be your best choice for .308.

Don't worry about stocking different powders for .223 and .308. You'll
go thru powder fast enough and it's not that pricey. A pound of
powder will load about 140 rounds of .308.

My recommendation for you, with your Dillon 550 and volumetric powder
dispensing, would be:

AA2460 for .223
AA2520 for .308

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:17:37 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:09:42 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.

I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has
cats!

Yeah, that was VERY telling, wasn't it? And it's 1,xxx cats + 1xx
dogs, with just one Ex with him.

Humm..I forget you guys actually have beaches and everything.

So go get some beach sand, clean out the condoms, bottle caps, wash it a
couple times to get the alge bloom out and then dry it and bag it.

Me...Ill go to the local dealer and get some mortor/playground sand
(washed white)


In some parts of Florida you just go out in the back yard with a
shovel. Some company wanted to buy the 25 acres of old orange grove
I lived on to pump out the sugar sand. Their test bore showed it to be
clean enough that they wouldn't have to even wash it.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:56:42 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:20:47 -0600, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:


There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the
308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms
makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less
than other brands.

Man, I got a lot to learn. I've already ordered some once used brass and 150
grain FMJ bullets. I see four powders offerred for 308
(2230,2460,2495,2520). Too much info for a clueless newbie, but I'd like to
reload .223 also with the same powder. Keep in mind I have no intention of
competing in shooting matches, just want quality servicable ammunition.
Would you go with 2520???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

Or maybe 2460???

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/A...escription.pdf

I didn't see prices. Should i just price compare?

Karl

I looked at some powders in QuickLoad v3.3. AA2460 and AA2520 will
certainly work in .308 but safe loads won't be as fast as factory ammo
with 150 gn bullets. A slower powder fits better.

Powders that look good for 150 gn FMJ in a shortish barrel are, in
decending order of muzzle velocity for safe max pressu

Vihtavuori N550
IMR3031
IMR4895
Winchester 760
Winchester 748
Hodgdon H4350
Hodgdon BL-C2

A lot of shooters really like Varget. It's a ways down the Quickload
list for that caliber and bullet but still within 75 fps of the
fastest, and Varget is a very consistent powder which bodes well for
accuracy. It's also very versatile.

However, I think all of these are extruded stick powders. If you're
going to meter volumetrically with your Dillon 550 then AA2520, which
is a ball powder, may be your best choice for .308.

Don't worry about stocking different powders for .223 and .308. You'll
go thru powder fast enough and it's not that pricey. A pound of
powder will load about 140 rounds of .308.

My recommendation for you, with your Dillon 550 and volumetric powder
dispensing, would be:

AA2460 for .223
AA2520 for .308



Good post.

I should mention that Bl-C2 is an extraordenaryly good powder for the
smaller cases..marvelous in 223, 22-250..up to 308. Ive shot many many
pounds of it. But..its got a rather narrow pressure range in most
loadings..all near full pressure.

It might be one of the best for both cartridges if one had to pick only
one. Varget is also good for both, and has a slightly wider band..but
is a bit slower for .308....humm...I think Id pick Varget over Blc2 if I
only had to use a single powder...come to think of it.


Btw..you guys may wish to print this out and post a copy on the wall of
your reloading shop....

http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html

Burn rates by brand/type of powder


Fastest to slowest...


Gunner


"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

....
My recommendation for you, with your Dillon 550 and volumetric powder
dispensing, would be:

AA2460 for .223
AA2520 for .308

Thanks Don, I don't need to go any farther. I'll get some of each.

Karl