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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:46:56 GMT, Eregon wrote:
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in : And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars you KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope. "HOPE"? I don't THINK so! "HURT" is much more like it! Darn spell checker!!!!!!! ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:37:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:56:54 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:33:50 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:49:13 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth: Even our highways are going into private hands - along with airports, etc etc. How is that working out for y'all? Not well. Deregulated electricity and gas gets all the swindlers into high gear. The privatized highways (electronic toll) are billing vehicles that have never been on them, and if your tolls are unpaid you can't get your tags renewed. If you have a transponder the rates are reasonable. If you don't you get hit with a no-transponder fee that makes occaisional use expensive. That sucks, bigtime. The government isn't putting enough of our fuel taxes back into road infrastructure maintenance and repairs. Ditto here. I was on Pennsyltucky's tollways in '98 and they're even worse, with much higher tolls. At least they had enough brains not to allow our aerospace expertise (developed at taxpayers expense) to be given away to the americans. Second time in 50 years we stood to loose it all under a conservative government - this time they had the balls to say NO to the USA. Canada and the world lost the AVRO ARROW in 1958, and with that loss , the vast majority of Canada's not inconsequential aerospace expertise. All because the USA could not allow Canada to be or be seen as having something better than the US. Now the USA wanted RadarSat and full controll over the CanadArm and it's new little brother space manipulator. Well, good for them. We will not be held to the role of "Hewers of wood and haulers of water" Not this time, anyway. Bbbbut, you're all lumberjacks (and you're OK), aren't you? ![]() All the lumberjacks are either east of the Ottawa valley or north of ther 49th. The vast majority of us Canuks live south of the 49th in central ontario. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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![]() "Bill" wrote in message . 97.142... Citizen Jimserac wrote in news:9aee4af6-228a-410b- : On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote: DINOSAUR POLITICS! What a delightful characterization of your position. I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy" of our commander (sic) in chief: "We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they come over here". You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID THAT is. Citizen Jimserac No, but you have to be a liberal to be stupid enough to make such a statement. How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? If someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my house I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or another it CAN'T happen. Because there's nothing stopping them *now* from coming over here and blowing up more stuff. And there are fewer trained people here now to stop them. Our defensive resources are busy, over there. Bill, the whole idea that we're "stopping them" over there, so they won't come over here, may be the stupidist strategy idea in the history of the US. The people we're stopping "over there" aren't the same people who would come over here, in the first place. Fighting them over there just increases their incentive to strike over here. And we're wasting our resources fighting thousands of them over there, when what we really need to do is to protect against perhaps dozens of them attacking over here. See 9/11 for reference. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Apr 13, 12:29*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 9, 5:27 am, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q.... Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Wow, $4 a gallon! - thats a really good price, where can I get some? - here in OZ *its $5.30 a gallon, and climbing. Predicted to be $5.67 by end of next week - something to do with the price of crude in Singapore going up.) *Must be those pesky liberals again, making life difficult for you guys... (Gunner will respond with "proof" that this is so....) Andrew VK3BFA. Lefties will of course blame this on Bush. Gunner "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And who is the current President? If he won't take responsibility, let a Democrat do the job who will. ;) TMT |
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On Apr 13, 12:33*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:12:20 GMT, Eregon wrote: Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:1527e5cd-f350-40f7- : Expensive fuel causes everything to become more expensive. You can thank the various governments (state & federal) for keeping it as low as it has been for the past half-century. After all, they COULD have imposed the high taxes that are common in Europe. I suspect we are at the beginning of a extended period of hyperinflation. A repeat of the late 70's? Closer to the early '80s when the question "How do the folks in Detroit get 15 adults into a VW Beetle?" was answered by "Easy - tell them it's headed to Texas!" Wages definitely are not rising. Wages in many fields/areas were already hyperinflated. This is/was the cause of much of the "Outsourcing" and the "Offshore Relocation" mania of the last 2 decades that saw Union jobs replaced by non-Union jobs. When burger-flippers expect $10+ /hr. to ask "Do you want fries with that?" you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When Illegal Immigrants earn enough money to buy mid-range homes you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When Welfare pays better than working you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When the Democrat Party was bought by the Peoples' Republic of China over a decade ago you should expected that the economy would be in a World of Hurt as the US Standard of Living was brought down to PRC levels. Well said Gunner "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And what has the Republican Congress been doing for a decade or two in the mean time? TMT |
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On Apr 13, 5:26*pm, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:12:20 GMT, Eregon wrote: Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:1527e5cd-f350-40f7- : Expensive fuel causes everything to become more expensive. You can thank the various governments (state & federal) for keeping it as low as it has been for the past half-century. After all, they COULD have imposed the high taxes that are common in Europe. I suspect we are at the beginning of a extended period of hyperinflation. A repeat of the late 70's? Closer to the early '80s when the question "How do the folks in Detroit get 15 adults into a VW Beetle?" was answered by "Easy - tell them it's headed to Texas!" Wages definitely are not rising. Wages in many fields/areas were already hyperinflated. This is/was the cause of much of the "Outsourcing" and the "Offshore Relocation" mania of the last 2 decades that saw Union jobs replaced by non-Union jobs. When burger-flippers expect $10+ /hr. to ask "Do you want fries with that?" you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When Illegal Immigrants earn enough money to buy mid-range homes you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When Welfare pays better than working you should already know that the economy is in a World of Hurt. When the Democrat Party was bought by the Peoples' Republic of China over a decade ago you should expected that the economy would be in a World of Hurt as the US Standard of Living was brought down to PRC levels. And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars you KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope. When CEOs start to settle for a reasonable level of pay companies can afford to manufacture things here again, and workers can work for an "honest" wage, and not see the extreme difference between what they earn PRODUCING and what CEOs earn screwing things up. ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Make that losing hundreds of billions... You are quite correct. TMT |
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On Apr 13, 8:46*pm, Eregon wrote:
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote : And when CEOs make billions for loosing 10s of billions of dollars you KNOW the economy is in a HUGE world of hope. "HOPE"? I don't THINK so! "HURT" is much more like it! When CEOs start to settle for a reasonable level of pay companies can afford to manufacture things here again, and workers can work for an "honest" wage, and not see the extreme difference between what they earn PRODUCING and what CEOs earn screwing things up. CEOs are like Doctors in that they have to make all of their money in a very short period. CEOs are unlike Doctors in that they don't have irrationally-high Liability Insurance payments that have to come out of their own pockets. Still, a CEO is usually paid according to a Legal Contract between him/herself and an employer. These contracts often have "Performance" clauses based NOT on the profitability of the company but upon the revenues and/or stock performance of the company. The best-known high-dollar payouts have been the result of a CEO's firing when the company had to buy-out the CEO's contract. FWIW, most of the bitching I've seen about CEO payscales seems to come from individuals who couldn't do a CEO's job and are simply jealous that THEY couldn't collect that much money. evil grin Incorrect. If they were based on performance we would not see time and again CEOs raping a company and taking a golden parachute worth tens/hundreds of millions on their way out. TMT |
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On Apr 14, 7:35*am, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote: DINOSAUR POLITICS! What a delightful characterization of your position. I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy" of our commander (sic) in chief: "We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they come over here". You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID THAT is. Citizen Jimserac Hmmm..something that Gunner can think about as he pumps his +4 dollar gas this summer.. TMT |
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On Apr 14, 10:25*am, Citizen Jimserac wrote:
On Apr 14, 11:01 am, Bill wrote: Citizen Jimserac wrote in news:9aee4af6-228a-410b- : On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote: DINOSAUR POLITICS! What a delightful characterization of your position. I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy" of our commander (sic) in chief: "We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they come over here". You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID THAT is. Citizen Jimserac No, but you have to be a liberal to be stupid enough to make such a statement. How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? *If someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my house I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or another it CAN'T happen. Bill BECAUSE WITH OUR OPEN BORDERS AND PORTS... THEY'RE ALREADY HERE. * OBVIOUS. Citizen Jimserac- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Correct. And those open borders are because of Bush. TMT |
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On Apr 14, 9:01*am, Bill wrote:
Citizen Jimserac wrote in news:9aee4af6-228a-410b- : On Apr 14, 1:51 am, Gunner Asch wrote: DINOSAUR POLITICS! What a delightful characterization of your position. I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy" of our commander (sic) in chief: "We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they come over here". You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID THAT is. Citizen Jimserac No, but you have to be a liberal to be stupid enough to make such a statement. How in your view is stopping them before they come over here and blow up more stuff and kill more civilians a lack of depth in strategy?? *If someone tells me that they are going to kill my family and blow up my house I'm not going to wait until it happens, I'm going to make sure one way or another it CAN'T happen. Bill- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So Bill...could you explain to us why our borders are wide open to illegal aliens and terrorists because of Bush? Take all the white space you need. TMT |
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