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Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT |
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On Apr 8, 12:27 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q... Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT For sure the metal thieves will not be able to afford the gasoline to haul their collection to the scrap yard. Probably the same for the people who are advertising all the time for scrap metal. Should be more for us! Paul |
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Less competition, so it's worth driving further? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Apr 8, 3:27*pm, " wrote:
On Apr 8, 12:27 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q.... Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT For sure the metal thieves will not be able to afford the gasoline to haul their collection to the scrap yard. Probably the same for the people who are advertising all the time for scrap metal. Should be more for us! Paul You make a good point. Just last week a local scraper was whining that his fuel costs were forcing him to make choices as to where he trolled for metal. TMT |
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Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. Federal Energy Dept. now predicts gas will peak at $3.60/gallon in early summer. |
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On Apr 8, 3:40*pm, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q.... Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Less competition, so it's worth driving further? * Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." * * * * * * * * * * * * *"The Journey is the reward" * * * * * * Info for manufacturers:http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog *Info for designers: *http://www.speff.com Another good point. I have always factored in expense of time and mileage when I am looking for a mahcine. TMT |
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** $1.21 per litre here. You do the math! Steve R. -- Reply address munged to bugger up spammers |
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:45:03 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario
dot canada wrote: On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** =========== There is the price that you pay at the pump and what gas actually costs. Best current estimate is that *TOTAL* American gas costs to the end user/consumer are about 10 to 12$ per US gallon when subsidies, petroleum company tax breaks, tax increment financing, no cost oil from public lands, etc., (which the tax payers or their grand kids) have to make up are included. Note that this does *NOT* include the interest cost on the borrowed money for the oil company tax breaks and evasion, military costs including American lives, tax evasion, and the geo-political costs, which adds substantial but indefinite costs to every gallon. == This shows again what a bad idea it is to subvert the free market by hiding costs. == If the US had been up front, with the public paying the full skippie at the pump since the mid 70s, it would not be crunch time now. Wind, solar, tidal and even bio fuels [using saw grass and agricultural waste, *NOT* food stocks] would now be major players in not only fuel but also feedstocks for plastics. We would also not have a grossly distorted economy based on subsidized transportation. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:45:03 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...WE0yyABAqb.HQA Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** =========== There is the price that you pay at the pump and what gas actually costs. Best current estimate is that *TOTAL* American gas costs to the end user/consumer are about 10 to 12$ per US gallon when subsidies, petroleum company tax breaks, tax increment financing, no cost oil from public lands, etc., (which the tax payers or their grand kids) have to make up are included. Note that this does *NOT* include the interest cost on the borrowed money for the oil company tax breaks and evasion, military costs including American lives, tax evasion, and the geo-political costs, which adds substantial but indefinite costs to every gallon. == This shows again what a bad idea it is to subvert the free market by hiding costs. == If the US had been up front, with the public paying the full skippie at the pump since the mid 70s, it would not be crunch time now. Wind, solar, tidal and even bio fuels [using saw grass and agricultural waste, *NOT* food stocks] would now be major players in not only fuel but also feedstocks for plastics. We would also not have a grossly distorted economy based on subsidized transportation. All true and this isn't only an energy industry thing. Increased gasoline prices have already had one positive result here in LA. Traffic has dropped significantly on some routes, especially I-405 between LAX and 101. I made it from Chatsworth to Torrance (46 miles) yesterday in an hour at three o'clock in the afternoon. That is unheard of. -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote:
Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote All true and this isn't only an energy industry thing. Increased gasoline prices have already had one positive result here in LA. Traffic has dropped significantly on some routes, especially I-405 between LAX and 101. I made it from Chatsworth to Torrance (46 miles) yesterday in an hour at three o'clock in the afternoon. That is unheard of. I figured it was about break point time for slovenly unnecessary driving. Lots of people flitting here and there, cell phone glued to their ear, driving a stick shift, drinking a soda and smoking at the same time. Going nowhere, doing nothing. Usually under twenty five years old. Steve |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes
quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, Wes wrote:
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care Not free in Ontario. There is an employee health tax. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Apr 9, 3:44*am, "John R. Carroll"
wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:45:03 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools wrote: Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/...and;_ylt=Alg4Q... Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop? I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view, purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop. TMT Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com** =========== There is the price that you pay at the pump and what gas actually costs. Best current estimate is that *TOTAL* American gas costs to the end user/consumer are about 10 to 12$ per US gallon when subsidies, petroleum company tax breaks, tax increment financing, no cost oil from public lands, etc., (which the tax payers or their grand kids) *have to make up are included. Note that this does *NOT* include the interest cost on the borrowed money for the oil company tax breaks and evasion, military costs including American lives, tax evasion, and the geo-political costs, which adds substantial but indefinite costs to every gallon. == This shows again what a bad idea it is to subvert the free market by hiding costs. == If the US had been up front, with the public paying the full skippie at the pump since the mid 70s, it would not be crunch time now. *Wind, solar, tidal and even bio fuels [using saw grass and agricultural waste, *NOT* food stocks] would now be major players in not only fuel but also feedstocks for plastics. *We would also not have a grossly distorted economy based on subsidized transportation. All true and this isn't only an energy industry thing. Increased gasoline prices have already had one positive result here in LA. Traffic has dropped significantly on some routes, especially I-405 between LAX and 101. I made it from Chatsworth to Torrance (46 miles) yesterday in an hour at three o'clock in the afternoon. That is unheard of. -- * * * * * *John R. Carroll *www.machiningsolution.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah..I have seen the traffic down too. But when considers that road work is funded by gas taxes, it will be coming back around to bite us. TMT |
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clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, Wes wrote: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care Not free in Ontario. There is an employee health tax. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** It's not free. It just that there is a health insurance plan for each province. Most of us pay a fee every month. That and taxation covers the cost when we do get sick. The system is run as close to cost as possible. In B.C., it's run by a crown corporation. There is some variation from one province to another. The Canada Health Act sets minimum standards. No one can be refused coverage for previously occurring conditions. Many people also volunteer where it's practical. For example, I am registered as a volunteer driver, to take cancer patients in for treatment. This way, we do not have to front cash when services are needed, and overall costs are lower due to the economies of scale. Steve. R. |
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nick hull wrote:
In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Richard Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... nick hull wrote: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g -- Ed Huntress |
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In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:56:28 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) I use much more than that. Gunner |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:56:28 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) I use much more than that. Gunner With three drivers and two cars in my family, we use about 45 gallons/month. That is, since I started telecommuting. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:20:22 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, "Steve
R." quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote in message .. . On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, Wes wrote: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care Not free in Ontario. There is an employee health tax. It's not free. It just that there is a health insurance plan for each province. Most of us pay a fee every month. That and taxation covers the cost when we do get sick. The system is run as close to cost as possible. In B.C., it's run by a crown corporation. There is some variation from one province to another. The Canada Health Act sets minimum standards. No one can be refused coverage for previously occurring conditions. Many people also volunteer where it's practical. For example, I am registered as a volunteer driver, to take cancer patients in for treatment. This way, we do not have to front cash when services are needed, and overall costs are lower due to the economies of scale. That's what our Congress said they were doing for us with the current prescription drug plan. Instead, it resulted in higher overall costs for U.S. citizens and a real windfall for the drug companies. Comprehensive health care should be available in the USA, but we'll have to totally revamp the entire system to be able to do it. Moving to a preventive care system would help, too. The gov't shouldn't fund it (I'm a Libertarian, and I hate to add the latter, too) but could regulate it. By putting the Congress on our own public health system, it would -really- help get them focused on the actual issues here. -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:34:41 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( The end result would be the $2/gal raise, since I don't have coverage now. It's all fantasy and idealism, anyway. We're going down the tubes and we no longer "gotta wear shades" to see our near future. big, deep sigh -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:40:04 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Gunner quickly quoth: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:56:28 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) I use much more than that. Unfortunately, THAT, sir, is a self-inflicted wound. -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:31:08 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet. -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... nick hull wrote: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g -- Ed Huntress Well, it seems appropriate for the times... Glad you enjoyed it, Ed. I think I'll print some up and stick them on some gas pumps. See if I can get arrested for inciting a riot or something? |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:34:41 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( The end result would be the $2/gal raise, since I don't have coverage now. It's all fantasy and idealism, anyway. We're going down the tubes and we no longer "gotta wear shades" to see our near future. big, deep sigh -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. Speak for you own depressing future, Larry. I just got a pair of heavily chromed Georgia Cop shades! Looking forward to it. BTW, anyone who advocates Socialized Medicine in the US should go check out the VA hospitals in this country. The top dogs are getting paid bonuses for not providing the services paid for (by you). yeah yeah, I got cites... http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?...08040651180337 Richard whales? What on earth would I want with whales? |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Oh you will accept a gas tax as long as it doesn't really impact you? Tsk, tsk. Wes |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:24:23 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote: snip In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) snip starting a rerun of a previous thread One of the major problems is that the US citizens are *ALREADY* paying for universal single payer health care based on the fraction of GDP we spend. Indeed we spend about 50% more as a % of GDP than the other nations that have such care such as the UK, Canada, France, etc. The problem is that much of this is "overhead" with no relationship to providing medical care. Indeed, we appear to be spending more money denying medical care than what it would cost to just go ahead and provide it. And then there are the multimillion dollar bonuses for the executives of the HMOs who's main function is to deny healthcare... Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:31:08 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet. I haven't thought it through, either, but my instinct is that it's a bad idea. I don't think the problem is expensive gas. The problem is that we're so hooked on petroleum. There isn't much chance of solving that issue by political price-setting measures, which is what you'd have if you had an "oil commission," or something equivalent to a utilities commission. People would be screaming to lower prices for oil rather than screaming to develop alternatives and the politicians wouldn't be able to resist. -- Ed Huntress |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... nick hull wrote: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g -- Ed Huntress Well, it seems appropriate for the times... Glad you enjoyed it, Ed. I think I'll print some up and stick them on some gas pumps. See if I can get arrested for inciting a riot or something? Be sure to call the local press first, if you do. g -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... nick hull wrote: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g -- Ed Huntress Well, it seems appropriate for the times... Glad you enjoyed it, Ed. I think I'll print some up and stick them on some gas pumps. See if I can get arrested for inciting a riot or something? Be sure to call the local press first, if you do. g I think I'll build a small mold and incorporate this into a keychain. LOL -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
I haven't thought it through, either, but my instinct is that it's a bad idea. I don't think the problem is expensive gas. The problem is that we're so hooked on petroleum. There isn't much chance of solving that issue by political price-setting measures, which is what you'd have if you had an "oil commission," or something equivalent to a utilities commission. People would be screaming to lower prices for oil rather than screaming to develop alternatives and the politicians wouldn't be able to resist. -- Ed Huntress That's quite an interesting obseervation, Ed. |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message newsNGdnQvm8syeiGPanZ2dnUVZ_oKhnZ2d@earthlink. com... Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... nick hull wrote: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) Then you will get a 2-buck a gallon raise and no health coverage ;( I made up this "international icon" graphic to 'splain the situation. I thought it would make a great bumper sticker... http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/proof.htm Ha-ha! That stands the famous old Volkwagen ad on its rear -- the one that showed a cartoon of a guy holding a pump nozzle to his head, with his hand on the valve lever, committing suicide. g -- Ed Huntress Well, it seems appropriate for the times... Glad you enjoyed it, Ed. I think I'll print some up and stick them on some gas pumps. See if I can get arrested for inciting a riot or something? Be sure to call the local press first, if you do. g I think I'll build a small mold and incorporate this into a keychain. LOL Well, not like I can ask for royalties on it. So Go for it. But if you'd send me a few I'll help spread the word... I found some "magnetic" paper (ON TOPIC HERE BOSS!) to make some "bumper stickers". Might be fun Richard -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message news Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Be sure to call the local press first, if you do. g I think I'll build a small mold and incorporate this into a keychain. LOL Well, not like I can ask for royalties on it. So Go for it. But if you'd send me a few I'll help spread the word... I wouldn't sell them. They would make a great novelty give away. -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:27:00 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:40:04 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:56:28 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:51:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Wes quickly quoth: clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada wrote: Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas. Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular. Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american gallon. But you have free health care I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) I use much more than that. Unfortunately, THAT, sir, is a self-inflicted wound. Its the cost of doing business. Gunner |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:50:42 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Gunner quickly quoth: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:27:00 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: I'd be willing to accept a buck a gallon raise for a decent health care package. I don't use 100-300 gallons per month. (single) I use much more than that. Unfortunately, THAT, sir, is a self-inflicted wound. Its the cost of doing business. It's one possible choice, but, hey, I wouldn't want to live in HelL.A. either. Not a chance. -- Save the whales! Trade them for valuable prizes. |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:
What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet. I haven't thought it through, either, but my instinct is that it's a bad idea. I don't think the problem is expensive gas. The problem is that we're so hooked on petroleum. There isn't much chance of solving that issue by political price-setting measures, which is what you'd have if you had an "oil commission," or something equivalent to a utilities commission. People would be screaming to lower prices for oil rather than screaming to develop alternatives and the politicians wouldn't be able to resist. I have a great idea, get government out of things completely. The only thing the government seems to be able to do is introduce market distortions that ultimately cost us. I have far more faith in Exxon than Congress. Wes |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:53:01 -0400, Wes wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote: What do you think about taking oil/gas under the public utility umbrella? I like the idea but haven't quite thought it through yet. I haven't thought it through, either, but my instinct is that it's a bad idea. I don't think the problem is expensive gas. The problem is that we're so hooked on petroleum. There isn't much chance of solving that issue by political price-setting measures, which is what you'd have if you had an "oil commission," or something equivalent to a utilities commission. People would be screaming to lower prices for oil rather than screaming to develop alternatives and the politicians wouldn't be able to resist. I have a great idea, get government out of things completely. The only thing the government seems to be able to do is introduce market distortions that ultimately cost us. I have far more faith in Exxon than Congress. Wes ========== While this is a great sound bite and has considerable emotional appeal to us conservatives, where it falls down is the assumption that somehow a giant corporation is not a government. Why is socio-economic and cultural engineering any better from the Exxons of the world than from the governments of the world? Arrange the countries by GDP, from smallest to largest and calculate the cumulative totals. Now compare this to Exxon's gross sales. http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTE...239419,00.html GDP Country BC$US 2007 Cumm $US rank (low to high) Kiribati $0.073 $0.073 1 São Tomé and Príncipe $0.142 $0.215 2 Tonga $0.219 $0.434 3 Dominica $0.268 $0.702 4 Guinea-Bissau $0.343 $1.045 5 Solomon Islands $0.358 $1.403 6 Gambia, The $0.379 $1.782 7 Samoa $0.387 $2.169 8 Vanuatu $0.421 $2.590 9 Comoros $0.436 $3.026 10 Timor-Leste, Dem. Rep. of $0.472 $3.498 11 St. Kitts and Nevis $0.520 $4.018 12 St. Vincent and the Grenadines $0.528 $4.546 13 Grenada $0.553 $5.099 14 Liberia $0.732 $5.831 15 Seychelles $0.733 $6.564 16 Djibouti $0.834 $7.398 17 St. Lucia $0.958 $8.356 18 Guyana $0.978 $9.334 19 Burundi $0.989 $10.323 20 Maldives $1.024 $11.347 21 Antigua and Barbuda $1.079 $12.426 22 Bhutan $1.164 $13.590 23 Belize $1.304 $14.894 24 Cape Verde $1.367 $16.261 25 Eritrea $1.425 $17.686 26 Sierra Leone $1.549 $19.235 27 Lesotho $1.588 $20.823 28 Central African Republic $1.647 $22.470 29 Suriname $2.234 $24.704 30 Togo $2.393 $27.097 31 Swaziland $2.674 $29.771 32 Mauritania $2.747 $32.518 33 Rwanda $2.836 $35.354 34 Fiji $3.289 $38.643 35 Tajikistan $3.353 $41.996 36 Malawi $3.441 $45.437 37 Kyrgyz Republic $3.488 $48.925 38 Barbados $3.739 $52.664 39 Mongolia $3.854 $56.518 40 Lao People's Democratic Republic $4.008 $60.526 41 Moldova $4.021 $64.547 42 Niger $4.219 $68.766 43 Guinea $4.568 $73.334 44 Haiti $5.295 $78.629 45 Benin $5.425 $84.054 46 Nicaragua $5.675 $89.729 47 Papua New Guinea $5.914 $95.643 48 Chad $6.426 $102.069 49 Malta $6.450 $108.519 50 Bahamas, The $6.586 $115.105 51 Namibia $6.707 $121.812 52 Congo, Republic of $6.848 $128.660 53 Burkina Faso $6.858 $135.518 54 Mali $6.936 $142.454 55 Mauritius $7.030 $149.484 56 Madagascar $7.306 $156.790 57 Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic of $7.322 $164.112 58 Armenia $7.802 $171.914 59 Mozambique $8.132 $180.046 60 Cambodia $8.488 $188.534 61 Equatorial Guinea $9.512 $198.046 62 Georgia $9.553 $207.599 63 Nepal $9.627 $217.226 64 Congo, Democratic Republic of $9.850 $227.076 65 Afghanistan, Rep. of. $9.933 $237.009 66 Honduras $10.059 $247.068 67 Albania $10.310 $257.378 68 Gabon $10.342 $267.720 69 Paraguay $10.347 $278.067 70 Senegal $10.701 $288.768 71 Jamaica $10.737 $299.505 72 Zambia $10.887 $310.392 73 Uganda $11.141 $321.533 74 Botswana $11.347 $332.880 75 Brunei Darussalam $12.515 $345.395 76 http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...ist/index.html [Exxon is #2 on the Fortune 500 @ 347,254.0 (sales), 39,500.0 (profits) [billions of US$] so their gross sales are equal to the GDP of the first 76 countries ranked by increasing GDP. Anyone care to take a guess at what percent of the world's population live in these 76 countries? Exxon should have a seat in the United Nations, perhaps as a permanent member of the security council. FWIW -- Walmart was #1 with 351,139.0 billion$ in sales & 11,284.0 billion in profits. The total 2007 gross sale of both these two corporations are 898,383.0 billion$ US or equal to the GDP of the first 103 countries... Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:07:25 -0500, F. George McDuffee wrote:
....[snip various country stats from http://web.worldbank.org] http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...ist/index.html [Exxon is #2 on the Fortune 500 @ 347,254.0 (sales), 39,500.0 (profits) [billions of US$] so their gross sales are equal to the GDP of the first 76 countries ranked by increasing GDP. Anyone care to take a guess at what percent of the world's population live in these 76 countries? Exxon should have a seat in the United Nations, perhaps as a permanent member of the security council. FWIW -- Walmart was #1 with 351,139.0 billion$ in sales & 11,284.0 billion in profits. The total 2007 gross sale of both these two corporations are 898,383.0 billion$ US or equal to the GDP of the first 103 countries... 351 trillion dollars is a pretty good sales total. More than seven times as much as the world-wide 48 trillion dollar GDP! |
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