Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

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"Boris Beizer" wrote in message
k.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they
steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external
threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a
few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

-------------------------------------

Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting

1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and

Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance

TEL: 215-572-5580

Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net

------------------------------------------

Boris Beizer wrote:

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I seem to recall repeating the "big lie" ("the election was stolen") also being
the conerstone of at least one dictatorship.

Even more likely is that this is part of the grand plan of the 'pod people'
from outer space who arrived here on earth several years ago and are already
walking among us, unnoticed, assimilating our citizens one by one...

"Boris Beizer" wrote in message
k.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they
steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external
threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a
few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

-------------------------------------

Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting

1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and

Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance

TEL: 215-572-5580

Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net

------------------------------------------

Boris Beizer wrote:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the
November election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election
time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they
steal the election and now they want to make that permanent?

First....an "assasination of all the candidates" would *not* be grounds
for delaying an election. The populace does *not* elect the President and
Vice President. The state-appointed electors do, when they convene as the
Electoral College. These electors are not even constitutionally required
to select the candidate that their own state's population selected. They
can select *anyone* they wish.

How was the 2000 election "stolen"? Please do not give the old, lame
argument about the popular vote; as that does not determine the outcome
of the Presidential and Vice Presidential elections. The 2000 election was
not the only time that the winner of the popular vote, failed to win the
electoral vote. It has happened before, most notably in the election
of Rutherford Hayes, I believe. (where even "wheeling and dealing" was done,
to get state electors to change their selections...).

The U.S. Constitution was followed, and adhered to, in the 2000 election.

Now, if you *really* want to clean up the process....then help repeal the
17th Amendment!

)






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Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 9.1

Siggy wrote:

Even more likely is that this is part of the grand plan of the 'pod
people' from outer space who arrived here on earth several years ago and
are already walking among us, unnoticed, assimilating our citizens one by
one...

Huh? "Several Years Ago"? Dude...where have you been? Their advance
scouts have been here since 1947, ( "The Roswell Expedition"). And what
do you mean "assimilating our citizens one by one"? Haven't you heard
all those stories about whole families and communes/cults mysteriously
vanishing? They are grabbing us in *bunches*? And the "bottled water
craze" over the past decade? It is part of *their* plan. It turns out,
that the fluoridation in our tap water....defeats their Invisibility
Shields!!!


"Boris Beizer" wrote in message
k.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all.
There can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the
candidates that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now?
First they
steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected
administration retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed
external
threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a
few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

-------------------------------------

Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting

1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and

Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance

TEL: 215-572-5580

Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net

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Greg Heilers
Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 9.1

In article t, Boris Beizer
says...

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

I floated this idea about six months ago, and gunner said I was
*nuts*, that this would never happen under any circumstances.

Jim

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:44:56 GMT, "Siggy"
wrote:

Even more likely is that this is part of the grand plan of the 'pod people'
from outer space who arrived here on earth several years ago and are already
walking among us, unnoticed, assimilating our citizens one by one...


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner


"Boris Beizer" wrote in message
nk.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they
steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external
threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a
few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

-------------------------------------

Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting

1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and

Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance

TEL: 215-572-5580

Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net

------------------------------------------




That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Gunner wrote:


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner



Also, this funny observation. It seems that *only* the Democrats
have to organize all those "Get Out The Vote Drives"; in order to
get their "constituents" to show their support...lol.

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Greg Heilers
Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 9.1

On 2004-07-11 18:27:16 -0400, Greg Heilers
said:

Gunner wrote:


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner



Also, this funny observation. It seems that *only* the Democrats
have to organize all those "Get Out The Vote Drives"; in order to
get their "constituents" to show their support...lol.


The GOP wants to do GOTV drives in churches. They're fairly desperate about
it, actually. I believe there's some new GOP legislation that would loosen
the regulations on non-profits, to allow churches to engage in outright
politics that is currently illegal and would jeopardize their
tax-exempt status.

"Boris Beizer" wrote in
k.net:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the
November election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at
election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all.
There can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the
candidates that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now?
First they steal the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected
administration retained its power by "delaying" the election for
supposed external threats. In recent history, we have Italy, Germany,
the Soviet Union -- to name a few prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a
stink about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy
our Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country
into exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the
world.


Boris Beizer

-------------------------------------

Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting

1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and

Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance

TEL: 215-572-5580

Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net

------------------------------------------




Take your meds comrade. And watch out for the black helicopters.

--
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who
approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but
downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined ... The
great object is that every man be armed ... everyone who is able may have
a gun." Patrick Henry at the Virginia Convention on the ratification of
the Constitution.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:27:16 GMT, Greg Heilers
wrote:

Gunner wrote:


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner



Also, this funny observation. It seems that *only* the Democrats
have to organize all those "Get Out The Vote Drives"; in order to
get their "constituents" to show their support...lol.

--
And supply them with booze and smokes to show up at the
bus....roflmao!

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:31:06 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:

On 2004-07-11 18:27:16 -0400, Greg Heilers
said:

Gunner wrote:


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner



Also, this funny observation. It seems that *only* the Democrats
have to organize all those "Get Out The Vote Drives"; in order to
get their "constituents" to show their support...lol.


The GOP wants to do GOTV drives in churches. They're fairly desperate about
it, actually. I believe there's some new GOP legislation that would loosen
the regulations on non-profits, to allow churches to engage in outright
politics that is currently illegal and would jeopardize their
tax-exempt status.



Ive heard that they are indeed taking a page out of the Democrats
playbook and are considering doing this. Of course they can used the
First AME Church as a shining example of mixing Democrat politics with
non profit churches.and then there is the NEA....but thats not a
church is it.....

Btw..what again is the church is Jessie Jackson pastor of?

The next thing that might happen is if some big wig dies they can turn
the funeral into a political rally...oops..already happened...Welstone
wasnt it?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/223306.shtml
David C. Stolinsky
Tuesday, June 12, 2001
Doctors describe a rare condition in which a person cannot see
anything to one side. Some patients can see clearly to their right but
are unable to perceive anything to their left. This disorder has its
counterpart in politics, where it is regrettably common. Perhaps this
is why many believe that America has a Far Right but no Far Left,
ultra-conservatives but no ultra-liberals, and a Religious Right but
no Religious or Secular Left.
Much is heard of the threat from the Religious Right, and many express
fear of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Yet if the real fear is of
intrusion of religion into politics and breach of the "wall of
separation" between church and state, there should be equal fear of
the Religious Left:


Years ago some liberal clergy were leaders of the movement opposing
the Vietnam War.

More recently some liberal clergy supported the Marxist government of
Nicaragua and opposed aid to the Contra rebels.

World Council of Churches often took anti-American and pro-Soviet
positions — for example, silence on the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan, but opposition to U.S. aid to the rebels.

National Council of Churches supports the Castro regime and reportedly
paid for the lawyer who urged Elian Gonzalez’s return to Cuba.

Officials of mainstream Protestant denominations testified before
Congress in favor of strict gun-control laws, declaring opposition to
all killing, even in self-defense.

The Pope persuaded a governor to commute the death sentence of the
murderer of a man, his wife, and their disabled grandson.

Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles preached against ending racial quotas
in universities and against ending public assistance to illegal
immigrants.

Rallies for Democrat candidates are often held at liberal churches.

Michael Lerner, a liberal rabbi described as Hillary Clinton’s former
guru, is said to have headed the Berkeley chapter of Students for a
Democratic Society.

Hillary Clinton declared that we should look at children and see the
face of Jesus, thus showing her concern for all children.

Liberal clergy declared that Clinton was sincerely penitent and that
the impeachment inquiry should end.

Officials of National Council of Churches visited the White House and
"laid hands" on then-President Bill Clinton to give him strength to
resist the Republicans. (Not the devil — perhaps they saw no
difference.)
All these activities are proper, but why are they never criticized by
American Civil Liberties Union or the media, which loudly oppose the
equally proper activities of the Religious Right? Does a Nativity
scene on a city-hall lawn really threaten the "wall of separation"
more than these examples? Does the "wall" have a door that opens only
to the left? Or are some people unable to see any danger from the
Left?

For perspective, imagine that the opposite occurred:


Imagine that rallies for Republican candidates often occurred at
conservative churches.

Imagine that conservative clergy testified against gun-control laws
and preached against public assistance to illegal immigrants.

Imagine that conservative clergy declared that President Ronald Reagan
was sorry about the Iran-Contra scandal and that the congressional
inquiry should end.

Imagine that Jerry Falwell persuaded a governor to let an execution
occur and paid for the lawyer urging that Elian Gonzalez remain in the
U.S.

Imagine that Laura Bush’s guru was a fundamentalist pastor who had
been a far-right activist.

Imagine that Laura Bush said we should look at children and see the
face of Jesus, thus showing her contempt for non-Christian children.

Imagine that conservative clergy visited the White House and "laid
hands" on President Bush to give him strength to resist the Democrats.
What would happen? The media would shriek against religious
interference in politics, liberal clergy would thunder denunciations
from their pulpits, the ACLU would sue, the Anti-Defamation League
would warn that the Inquisition was about to be re-established, and TV
would swarm with law professors wailing that the Constitution was in
grave danger. But why would this be intolerable, while the reverse is
not only acceptable but invisible?

snip

A single example from hundreds....
http://sf4dean.com/gallery/DeanDC (just look for the word Church)
snicker...


Im absolutly fascinated by the continued calls of Separation from
Church and State by the Left..particularly in light of so many of them
campaigning from the pulpit....

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 11 Jul 2004 15:09:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article t, Boris Beizer
says...

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

I floated this idea about six months ago, and gunner said I was
*nuts*, that this would never happen under any circumstances.

Jim

I said that it would not happen. And it wont. As I recall, you spewed
something about Bush declaring himself Prez for life...

Feel free to bring up the original posts with both our comments and we
can discuss it.

Btw..the use of the word Putatively is an interesting usage. Its often
used in propaganda.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , Gunner says...

And then we can discuss the Daly Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

So you are going to make a catagorical statement again, that
there is no way they will delay or otherwise put off the
november election?

Jim

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In article , Gunner says...

I floated this idea about six months ago, and gunner said I was
*nuts*, that this would never happen under any circumstances.

Jim

I said that it would not happen. And it wont. As I recall, you spewed
something about Bush declaring himself Prez for life...

Ah here we go. Feel free to ignore my other post on this
subject then.

Feel free to bring up the original posts with both our comments and we
can discuss it.

I think we both know what was in it. I would have a tough time
digging it out, even with google, because I am positive it was
under some BS off topic thread that had mutated. If you can find
it I think you will find that I did NOT say anthing about prez
for life. Just that he could take advantage of a terrorist threat/attack
and improve his chances. I suspect his people have worked that
scenario already, playing 'what if.'

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In article , Gunner says...

Imagine that conservative clergy visited the White House and "laid
hands" on President Bush to give him strength to resist the Democrats.

Strength hell. They should give him some damn brains.

Besides, all those neocons are sitting around waiting for
the Rapture.

Jim

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Boris Beizer wrote:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

maybe just make sure that Florida does not vote......

"Boris Beizer" wrote

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.


I thought Republican theory was that a major terrorist attack would swing votes
to Bush. Commander in Chief, don't you know. Maybe they're starting to worry
that an attack would swing votes _away_ from Bush, eh?

-- TP

"Boris Beizer" wrote

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

What easy pickings: Damn the administration for daring to think about the
unthinkable, then damn them for not having the foresight to prevent the next
terrorist attack.

Speaking of Newsweek, how come you didn't mention this tidbit: "The
selection of Sen. John Edwards as John Kerry's running mate has raised
concerns inside the FBI and among civil-liberties groups that the North
Carolina senator will use the campaign to promote his controversial proposal
to create a new domestic spy agency."

I guess "Good Americans" like you would have nothing to fear from the
Kerry-Edwards Gestapo. . .


KL

In article , Kurt Laughlin says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

Jim

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Boris Beizer wrote:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer





Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected. Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

ff

On 11 Jul 2004 17:48:19 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

And then we can discuss the Daly Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

So you are going to make a catagorical statement again, that
there is no way they will delay or otherwise put off the
november election?

Jim


Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists. At which point would You care to go to the
polls if you were in one of those areas?

I know Ill be standing in line. Heavily armed, cocked & locked, full
combat load, and with someone to hold my gear while I go in to vote,
and then Ill hold their gear while they vote. Then we will stand off
and guard the polling place until closing time.

And such will be happening all over America. Bank on it.

Shrug. Save the posts and we can reread them on November 3rd.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 11 Jul 2004 17:55:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

Just that he could take advantage of a terrorist threat/attack
and improve his chances. I suspect his people have worked that
scenario already, playing 'what if.'

How it would improve his chances, Ill leave up to your fantasies.
Though it would be interesting to hear them.

Id have to say that the Dems would be praying for a tango attack as it
would give them far more ammo to use politically than if nothing
happened.

Bet your ass both sides have "war gamed" the scenarios.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 11 Jul 2004 21:40:20 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Kurt Laughlin says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

Jim

Any idea of how many "what ifs" the boys in the puzzle factory have to
figure out the probabilities on?

We can start with "what if Jim takes his nice new 22 and decides to
find a tall building" to "what if Al Quada has some Russian surplus
backpack nukes and want to make a statement on Nov. 2", to "some
tangos have planted a bomb(s) on a CNG tanker(s) coming into New
York/Long Beach/San Francisco/Miami", or perhaps "tangos have replaced
the automated spray cans in the rest rooms of various major US
airports, filled with small pox", or "tangos have 500 gallons of Sarin
ready to inject into the Air Handler system at Mall of America", or
perhaps a simple "tangos may perform hit and run grenade and machine
gun attacks on polling places all across the US on Nov. 2 in the
morning"
snip about 5 million other "what ifs"

So Jim, how would you proceed? Id really like to know. Pick the one(s)
that WILL happen.
Now its no fair remembering that we have been attacked on 9/11..so
take that out of your mind.

Lets see what you can work up for us. Obviously you have a better grip
than Bush and Co. does, along with the boys at the puzzle
factories..so give us your best shot.

Hummm maybe we can start a pool? Willing to put your money where your
mouth is? Its gonna be a sure win for you..so whip out that old
wallet.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:32:00 GMT, ff wrote:




Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected. Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

ff

Yup..and its like putting out Decon for the rats. They keep showing
up, and getting killed. Works for me. And its great that they are
doing this in some other country besides our own. Id hate to be
asshole deep in tangos in the US.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:32:00 GMT, ff wrote:





Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected. Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

ff


Yup..and its like putting out Decon for the rats. They keep showing
up, and getting killed. Works for me. And its great that they are
doing this in some other country besides our own. Id hate to be
asshole deep in tangos in the US.

I think you are confusing Decon with Viagra.

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:55:16 GMT, "Boris Beizer"
wrote:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

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I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.

In article , Gunner says...

Any idea of how many "what ifs" the boys in the puzzle factory have to
figure out the probabilities on?

I dunno, that's *their* job. They didn't do very well at it
either.

Jim

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In article , Gunner says...

So you are going to make a catagorical statement again, that
there is no way they will delay or otherwise put off the
november election?

Jim


Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists.

Umm. That already happened. So you're saying GWB
stands a *good* chance of trying to shut down the elections.

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On 12 Jul 2004 07:14:03 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

So you are going to make a catagorical statement again, that
there is no way they will delay or otherwise put off the
november election?

Jim


Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists.

Umm. That already happened. So you're saying GWB
stands a *good* chance of trying to shut down the elections.

Jim

Are you claiming that Bush was responsible for 9-11? That Bush
masterminded the 4 hijacked airliners and the deaths of all those
people?

Interesting. First you claim he is as dumb as a box of rocks..now you
are claiming that not only he is a mega murderer, but is so sly that
after 4yrs, the 9-11 Commission and the probing hatred of the entire
Liberal Left, he is still not a suspect?

Which brings up another indea..anyone seen John Kerry and Osama in the
room at the same time? Hummmmmm

Jim..take your meds. Please. And be sure to use the data on the
following site.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 12 Jul 2004 07:01:48 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Any idea of how many "what ifs" the boys in the puzzle factory have to
figure out the probabilities on?

I dunno, that's *their* job. They didn't do very well at it
either.

Jim


No, they didnt. All those Dem appointees really screwed the pooch
didnt they?

Gunner

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there.
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:48:30 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:



Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:32:00 GMT, ff wrote:





Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected. Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

ff


Yup..and its like putting out Decon for the rats. They keep showing
up, and getting killed. Works for me. And its great that they are
doing this in some other country besides our own. Id hate to be
asshole deep in tangos in the US.

I think you are confusing Decon with Viagra.

Thats another good analogy. When they pop up, they get Bobbited.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:57:19 GMT, Mr. wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:55:16 GMT, "Boris Beizer"
wrote:

Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.

Indeed.

And I hope someone returns this nation back to the Republic its
supposed to be. The Founders were very leary of a Democracy, and
rightly so. Mob rule sucks.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:24:01 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

We can start with "what if Jim takes his nice new 22 and decides to
find a tall building" to "what if Al Quada has some Russian surplus
backpack nukes and want to make a statement on Nov. 2", to "some
tangos have planted a bomb(s) on a CNG tanker(s) coming into New
York/Long Beach/San Francisco/Miami", or perhaps "tangos have replaced
the automated spray cans in the rest rooms of various major US
airports, filled with small pox", or "tangos have 500 gallons of Sarin
ready to inject into the Air Handler system at Mall of America", or
perhaps a simple "tangos may perform hit and run grenade and machine
gun attacks on polling places all across the US on Nov. 2 in the
morning"
snip about 5 million other "what ifs"

So Jim, how would you proceed? Id really like to know. Pick the one(s)
that WILL happen.
Now its no fair remembering that we have been attacked on 9/11..so
take that out of your mind.

Lets see what you can work up for us. Obviously you have a better grip
than Bush and Co. does, along with the boys at the puzzle
factories..so give us your best shot.

Hummm maybe we can start a pool? Willing to put your money where your
mouth is? Its gonna be a sure win for you..so whip out that old
wallet.

Gunner

Jim. Im still waiting for your take on the above. Which one is the
most likely and what are your suggestions.

Come on man..show us you are smarter than Bush and Co.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:44:56 GMT, "Siggy"
wrote:

Even more likely is that this is part of the grand plan of the 'pod
people'
from outer space who arrived here on earth several years ago and are
already
walking among us, unnoticed, assimilating our citizens one by one...


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

I seem to remember that Tom Daschel won his election by counting votes of
about 500 dead native Americans.

In California, there is also the ballot boxes from "republican" districts
that somehow would up floating in SF bay. That one at least made the news
for one broadcast. It wouldn't have mattered anyway because the SF Bay area
is so left leaning that they are in danger of falling off the planet.

And the rampant rumors of bus loads of illegal immigrants that were being
bussed from one polling station to the next.

And the Dems picking up bus loads of drunks and other derilicts, and paying
them $5 to vote Dem.


Gunner


"Boris Beizer" wrote in message
nk.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to
Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all.
There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the
candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they
steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected
administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external
threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name
a
few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a
stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the
world.


Boris Beizer

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That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

One thing I find funny about all this is that we have all heard it before.
Remember all the rumors/gossip/"discussion" and so forth arguing that Bill
Clit'n would pull a national emergency to get the elections cancelled?

Wayne


"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 11 Jul 2004 17:55:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

Just that he could take advantage of a terrorist threat/attack
and improve his chances. I suspect his people have worked that
scenario already, playing 'what if.'

How it would improve his chances, Ill leave up to your fantasies.
Though it would be interesting to hear them.

Id have to say that the Dems would be praying for a tango attack as it
would give them far more ammo to use politically than if nothing
happened.

Bet your ass both sides have "war gamed" the scenarios.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Major snippage

I guess "Good Americans" like you would have nothing to fear from the
Kerry-Edwards Gestapo. . .


KL


You mean Frankenstein and the kid?

Wayne

I would also guess that there have been many scenarios that HAVE been
foiled. The gubment wouldn't tell us because the intelligence obtained from
terrorist caught would then be useless.

Wayne



"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 11 Jul 2004 21:40:20 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Kurt Laughlin
says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is
part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

Jim

Any idea of how many "what ifs" the boys in the puzzle factory have to
figure out the probabilities on?

We can start with "what if Jim takes his nice new 22 and decides to
find a tall building" to "what if Al Quada has some Russian surplus
backpack nukes and want to make a statement on Nov. 2", to "some
tangos have planted a bomb(s) on a CNG tanker(s) coming into New
York/Long Beach/San Francisco/Miami", or perhaps "tangos have replaced
the automated spray cans in the rest rooms of various major US
airports, filled with small pox", or "tangos have 500 gallons of Sarin
ready to inject into the Air Handler system at Mall of America", or
perhaps a simple "tangos may perform hit and run grenade and machine
gun attacks on polling places all across the US on Nov. 2 in the
morning"
snip about 5 million other "what ifs"

So Jim, how would you proceed? Id really like to know. Pick the one(s)
that WILL happen.
Now its no fair remembering that we have been attacked on 9/11..so
take that out of your mind.

Lets see what you can work up for us. Obviously you have a better grip
than Bush and Co. does, along with the boys at the puzzle
factories..so give us your best shot.

Hummm maybe we can start a pool? Willing to put your money where your
mouth is? Its gonna be a sure win for you..so whip out that old
wallet.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , NoOne N Particular
says...

And the Dems picking up bus loads of drunks and other derilicts, and paying
them $5 to vote Dem.

Well then you have Tom DeLay, pimping himself for corporate
money. Basically the same thing. 'Cept he got caught.

Jim

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