In article , Gunner says...

Jim. Im still waiting for your take on the above.

Heck, you heard my answer. You already won. The US has
*already* been attacked so it's OK for GWB to push the
election back.

Game set and match to you.

Jim

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In article , Gunner says...

Umm. That already happened. So you're saying GWB
stands a *good* chance of trying to shut down the elections.

Are you claiming that Bush was responsible for 9-11?

Your reading comprehension sucks today.

You said he would not shut down teh elections, unless the
US experiences a major terrorist attack. We did, therefore
he CAN, and you say 'fine by me.'

Bush is a PUO, he was put there as a figurehead. He didn't
'cause' anything. What was your phrase, "box of rocks."

Jim

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Major snippage
Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected.

Not much of a stretch there.

Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

ff

So it doesn't matter that Al Qaeda has been recruiting for MANY years?
Since at least the early days of your man Bill and probably long before
that? Increase in attacks?? DUH! But it doesn't have much to do with GWB
directly. These poor, dumb, ignorant, pieces of crap would have found some
other excuse and would be doing this anyway. You notice that since Iraq
started, the Arabs have just about forgotten their Palestinian brothers and
their cause? No, even if we had not gone into Iraq this would all still be
going on. Iraq was a convenient excuse, but in the long run is JUST an
excuse.

Look at what Islamic extremist are doing in other parts of the world. Look
at the Phillipines, Nigeria, Kashmir, some of the former Soviet bloc
countries, and other areas. The US has very little to do with those
conflicts. They are attacking anything that goes against their fanatical
religious beliefs. They attack anything, not just American interests. This
is all about destroying Christianity and Judaism. Nothing more.

I'm no fan of GWB either. I am one of the many millions that have no one to
vote for in this election, only people to vote against. The Republican
party should be renamed the Democrat party, and the Democrat party should be
renamed to the Socialist party. These two parties are like the two cars
heading for the abyss. One is going 150mph and the other is going 140mph.
Which would you rather be in? The Republican party of today is farther left
than the Democrat party of 30 years ago. There are no conservatives in eith
er of those parties anymore. No one that believes that the governments ONLY
function is to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Wayne

P.S. Any takers on whether we will really see a Bush/Cheney ticket in '04?
I'm thinking one of either Bush/Powell, Bush/McCain, or Bush/Rice.

Glenn Ashmore wrote:


I think you are confusing Decon with Viagra.

--
Glenn Ashmore


In Gunner's current state either one would be lethal G


Looks like even some of GWB's supporters are jumping ship
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._conservatives

ff

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:01:59 -0400, "tonyp"
calmly ranted:


"Boris Beizer" wrote

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.


I thought Republican theory was that a major terrorist attack would swing votes
to Bush. Commander in Chief, don't you know. Maybe they're starting to worry
that an attack would swing votes _away_ from Bush, eh?

"So they're not gonna schedule one after all, eh?" queried the
conspiracy theorist.


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Greg Heilers wrote:

Gunner wrote:


As one may recall..election issues have been primarily a Democratic
one. As one recalls the 2000 Florida election results, offered up by a
an election department owned and operated by the Democrats..and of
course the Democrat polling places intentionally kept open long after
the legal closing time..so more Dems could be ferried in to
vote..again..and again..

And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......

EG

We can indeed discuss other prime examples.....the Military votes of
the 2000 election, for example?

Gunner


Also, this funny observation. It seems that *only* the Democrats
have to organize all those "Get Out The Vote Drives"; in order to
get their "constituents" to show their support...lol.



Here in Baltimore several elections ago the prod to get the lazy
"Democratic" voters out was a ticket for a free chicken dinner. :-)

Bill Shuey

"William H. Shuey" wrote in message
...

Here in Baltimore several elections ago the prod to get the lazy
"Democratic" voters out was a ticket for a free chicken dinner. :-)

Bill Shuey

That's a better deal than Bush's dinners. He makes you pay $1,000 a plate,
and then he feeds you stale canapés and rubber chicken.

It's a lot like the way he runs our economy. d8-)

Ed Huntress

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:15:09 GMT, ff calmly
ranted:

Glenn Ashmore wrote:


I think you are confusing Decon with Viagra.

--
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In Gunner's current state either one would be lethal G

Why do you say that, ffred? Gunner is a very good example of
Californians being a sturdy breed. Were you thinking of
another state, like Floridia?


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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:44:59 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists. At which point would You care to go to the
polls if you were in one of those areas?

I know Ill be standing in line. Heavily armed, cocked & locked, full
combat load, and with someone to hold my gear while I go in to vote,
and then Ill hold their gear while they vote. Then we will stand off
and guard the polling place until closing time.

And such will be happening all over America. Bank on it.

Bwahaahahahaha! Its all part of the fiendish plot to be elected
President!

Seriously, I was thinking that the parts of the country where this
might happen, and work, would be the parts more likely to have been colored
red in the last election. But in the Democrat areas, nobody would think of
doing that, they'd still be waiting three days after the election for FEMA
to come and tell them what to do.


tschus
pyotr


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

On 12 Jul 2004 11:40:23 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Umm. That already happened. So you're saying GWB
stands a *good* chance of trying to shut down the elections.

Are you claiming that Bush was responsible for 9-11?

Your reading comprehension sucks today.

You said he would not shut down teh elections, unless the
US experiences a major terrorist attack. We did, therefore
he CAN, and you say 'fine by me.'

If your communication skills were better, Id not have reason to try to
make heads or tails out of what you are saying. Shrug

We did have a major terrorist attack. And did he even declare martial
law? No. And it would be required to declare martial law before even
thinking about putting off an election.

Bush is a PUO, he was put there as a figurehead. He didn't
'cause' anything. What was your phrase, "box of rocks."

Jim

Your bias, hatred and bigotry are showing. Watch out..someone might
think you are one of those left wing extremists and the puppet masters
you claim are pulling Bush's strings will disappear you in the dark of
night..or send some of those Massad contract hit men to put a couple
22lr in the back of your skull.

Remember Jim..when you make your foil beanie..shiney side out. If you
put it shiney side in..the mind control satellites will have you the
moment you step outside the door.

Gunner



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cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 12 Jul 2004 11:34:25 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , NoOne N Particular
says...

And the Dems picking up bus loads of drunks and other derilicts, and paying
them $5 to vote Dem.

Well then you have Tom DeLay, pimping himself for corporate
money. Basically the same thing. 'Cept he got caught.

Jim

And that had what exactly to do with Lefty election frauds?
If you need examples of lefties on a string..should I mention the
puppet master known as Soros?

Hummmm?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 12 Jul 2004 11:37:13 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Jim. Im still waiting for your take on the above.

Heck, you heard my answer. You already won. The US has
*already* been attacked so it's OK for GWB to push the
election back.

Game set and match to you.

Jim

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you? God forbid.
G

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:31:27 GMT, "NoOne N Particular"
wrote:

I would also guess that there have been many scenarios that HAVE been
foiled. The gubment wouldn't tell us because the intelligence obtained from
terrorist caught would then be useless.

Wayne

Yup. How many years was it before it was reported that we and the
Brits had the Japanese and German naval codes for example?

Wasnt it Coventry that was allowed to be bombed so the Germans would
not know the Brits knew their codes?

Gunner




"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On 11 Jul 2004 21:40:20 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Kurt Laughlin
says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is
part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

Jim

Any idea of how many "what ifs" the boys in the puzzle factory have to
figure out the probabilities on?

We can start with "what if Jim takes his nice new 22 and decides to
find a tall building" to "what if Al Quada has some Russian surplus
backpack nukes and want to make a statement on Nov. 2", to "some
tangos have planted a bomb(s) on a CNG tanker(s) coming into New
York/Long Beach/San Francisco/Miami", or perhaps "tangos have replaced
the automated spray cans in the rest rooms of various major US
airports, filled with small pox", or "tangos have 500 gallons of Sarin
ready to inject into the Air Handler system at Mall of America", or
perhaps a simple "tangos may perform hit and run grenade and machine
gun attacks on polling places all across the US on Nov. 2 in the
morning"
snip about 5 million other "what ifs"

So Jim, how would you proceed? Id really like to know. Pick the one(s)
that WILL happen.
Now its no fair remembering that we have been attacked on 9/11..so
take that out of your mind.

Lets see what you can work up for us. Obviously you have a better grip
than Bush and Co. does, along with the boys at the puzzle
factories..so give us your best shot.

Hummm maybe we can start a pool? Willing to put your money where your
mouth is? Its gonna be a sure win for you..so whip out that old
wallet.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:35:06 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:44:59 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists. At which point would You care to go to the
polls if you were in one of those areas?

I know Ill be standing in line. Heavily armed, cocked & locked, full
combat load, and with someone to hold my gear while I go in to vote,
and then Ill hold their gear while they vote. Then we will stand off
and guard the polling place until closing time.

And such will be happening all over America. Bank on it.

Bwahaahahahaha! Its all part of the fiendish plot to be elected
President!

Seriously, I was thinking that the parts of the country where this
might happen, and work, would be the parts more likely to have been colored
red in the last election. But in the Democrat areas, nobody would think of
doing that, they'd still be waiting three days after the election for FEMA
to come and tell them what to do.


tschus
pyotr

Of course. Which is why we live in a "red" zone. " We be
conservative, we care, we be bad and we be heavily armed."

And of course, its Bush's fault. Everything. Global warming, wheat
rust, global cooling, the Clinton gun ban, heat rash, whiney liberals,
bad teeth, warts, the entropy cycle, and plugged arteries. Its all
Bush's fault..or those nefarious mysterious Them that pull his
strings...Illuminati? Hamiltonians? The Bear clones?

Anyways..its all Bush's fault.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:42:28 -0400, Tom Quackenbush
wrote:

On 11 Jul 2004 21:40:20 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Kurt Laughlin says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

I don't know exactly where he was on 9/11, but he was Governor of
Pennsylvania at the time. What responsibilities regarding the security
of the Pentagon did he have?

Am I missing something here?

R,
Tom Q.

No..but Jim is....chuckle.....

Gunner


Remove bogusinfo to reply.

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cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:57:02 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:15:09 GMT, ff calmly
ranted:

Glenn Ashmore wrote:


I think you are confusing Decon with Viagra.

--
Glenn Ashmore


In Gunner's current state either one would be lethal G

Why do you say that, ffred? Gunner is a very good example of
Californians being a sturdy breed. Were you thinking of
another state, like Floridia?


Gunner's plumbing is working just fine. Rave reviews from those giving
it a test ride.
No nitro needed either. Well..the third time...but only one pill.

Gunner



That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.

"Bassie Adriaensen" not_applicable wrote in message
...
Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world
famous for.

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NoOne N Particular wrote:


P.S. Any takers on whether we will really see a Bush/Cheney ticket in '04?
I'm thinking one of either Bush/Powell, Bush/McCain, or Bush/Rice.




Oh, I think Cheney will be on the ticket.
Why change Dicks, in the middle of a screw?

ff

Larry Jaques wrote:




Why do you say that, ffred? Gunner is a very good example of
Californians being a sturdy breed. Were you thinking of
another state, like Floridia?


-----


Well, he is a _Southern_ Californian which is a breed apart from
Northern Californians.
I don't know how that plays in Florida (Floridia??) The only time
time I've been
to Miami there was a huge sting operation underway so I can't really
give them
an unbiased opinion. I'd say the sturdiest breed would be any
descendants of the
goldrush although the mexicans might dispute it.

ff

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:36 +0200, "Bassie Adriaensen"
not_applicable wrote:

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.


Republicans have no need to steal elections, but
democrats make it a life long career.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:56:10 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

contract hit men to put a couple
22lr in the back of your skull.

Your habit of using any discussion as an excuse to mention 22s to the
skull seems to be getting worse. Hmmm...

To Jim - I know you don't like the "you should" stuff, but the time
has come to make an exception. What say you: soothing aquarium-scene
screen saver, or herbal enema for gunner? :-)

Wayne

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:48:14 GMT, "Kurt Laughlin"
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

What easy pickings: Damn the administration for daring to think about the
unthinkable, then damn them for not having the foresight to prevent the next
terrorist attack.

There seems to be a logic problem here.

Having delayed elections because of a terror threat, how are you ever
going to have safe elections? Bush is in until there is "no more
terror"?

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:36 +0200, "Bassie Adriaensen"
not_applicable calmly ranted:

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.

Simple fix: Minimize corruption by avoiding reelection of
individuals from known-corrupt parties.

Vote independent from now on.


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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:36 +0200, "Bassie Adriaensen"
not_applicable wrote:

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.


Which ones are those?

Gunner


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

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In article , Tom Quackenbush says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

I don't know exactly where he was on 9/11, but he was Governor of
Pennsylvania at the time. What responsibilities regarding the security
of the Pentagon did he have?

See the first part of the post here...

Jim

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In article , ff says...

Just another of example of incumbant politics. Read between the lines.
The current administration is intimating that Al Qaeda does not want
them reelected. Probably far from the truth. GWB's foreign policy
is like a recruitment poster for Al Qaeda. Colin Powell admitted on
Meet the Press, that terrorist incidents have increased since occupation
of Iraq.

No kidding. He's managed to unite the Shiites and the Suunis,
something that was never going to happen. I bet if you look
close enough, bin Laden is pumping money into GWBs campaign!

Jim

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In article , wmbjk says...

To Jim - I know you don't like the "you should" stuff, but the time
has come to make an exception. What say you: soothing aquarium-scene
screen saver, or herbal enema for gunner? :-)

That's OK. He and I were talking .22s for quite some time
so the reference is understandable. Maybe we should all
chip in and buy him a fishtank though...

Jim

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Bassie Adriaensen wrote:

------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.


Now, Now, Bassie! Turnabout is fair play! Richard Nixon didn't raise a
legal challenge when the 1960 election went to the Sainted John F.
Kennedy through all the nonsense that was pulled in Texas and Illinois.
What, stealing an election is only a Democratic privilege???

Bill Shuey

Nothing the BushCheneyburton NeoCon Christian Reich pulls off amazes me anymore.

OUR CORPORATIONS MUST HAVE SLAVE LABOR TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE!
although you never see lower prices........

TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH CREATE JOBS
$9.75 per hour with no benefits!

WE IS A FREEDUM LUVVIN' PEOPLE!
just wait till Patriot Act XII

"Boris Beizer" wrote in message nk.net...
Delayed Election:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

To delay the election would be the greatest terrorist attack of all. There
can be no circumstances, short of the assasination of all the candidates
that would warrant delaying the election -- what is it now? First they steal
the election and now they want to make that permanent?

Every dictatorship that started by a democratically elected administration
retained its power by "delaying" the election for supposed external threats.
In recent history, we have Italy, Germany, the Soviet Union -- to name a few
prominent ones.

I can't imagine a more important thing at the moment than to make a stink
about this "examination" -- or is it a plan -- of how to destroy our
Democracy and hand the terrorists a victory by turning our country into
exactly the kind of police state that they want to create for the world.


Boris Beizer

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Bassie Adriaensen wrote:
------------------------------------------

I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.



Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.




So nice to know that you are more of an expert in US law than the supreme court.
Have you thought of applying for a job there ? I am sure they need to be told
they are wrong.....

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:58:03 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:35:06 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
foisted Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:44:59 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

Yup. The only qualifier would be a city or multiple cities wide attack
on America by terrorists. At which point would You care to go to the
polls if you were in one of those areas?

I know Ill be standing in line. Heavily armed, cocked & locked, full
combat load, and with someone to hold my gear while I go in to vote,
and then Ill hold their gear while they vote. Then we will stand off
and guard the polling place until closing time.

And such will be happening all over America. Bank on it.

Bwahaahahahaha! Its all part of the fiendish plot to be elected
President!

Seriously, I was thinking that the parts of the country where this
might happen, and work, would be the parts more likely to have been colored
red in the last election. But in the Democrat areas, nobody would think of
doing that, they'd still be waiting three days after the election for FEMA
to come and tell them what to do.


tschus
pyotr

Of course. Which is why we live in a "red" zone. " We be
conservative, we care, we be bad and we be heavily armed."

And of course, its Bush's fault. Everything. Global warming, wheat
rust, global cooling, the Clinton gun ban, heat rash, whiney liberals,
bad teeth, warts, the entropy cycle, and plugged arteries. Its all
Bush's fault..or those nefarious mysterious Them that pull his
strings...Illuminati? Hamiltonians? The Bear clones?

Anyways..its all Bush's fault.

YEah. And that "earthquake" in Iran? That was no "accident". Nope,
not at all. Everybody just _thinks_ Halburton only has oil wells in the
Gulf. Well, they do have oil wells, but that's not all .... bwahaahahaha!

All seriousness aside, the "details" of the letter seem to be more of a
"heads up"/"What if"? kind of thing. As in, what happens if there is a
major event which prevents voting to occur? Cold be anything: flood, fire,
power outage, or even(gasp) a "terrorist" "attack". Now, I'm sure there
are a few survivalists who are prepared to get into their GI Surplus MOPP
suit to go vote, but will there be any one there at the polling place?
So what happens if the power goes out in a major urban area? Close the
polls at 8 pm, and say "Better luck next time?"
Do the Dems prefer to be disenfranchised, or have their votes counted
late? Apparently, they would rather not be counted were such a thing to
occur, rather than consider the matter in a rational manner.
--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "Bassie Adriaensen"
not_applicable foisted Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:36 +0200 on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:
------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.

Is Bassie trying to say that Mayor Daley was a Republican?

Here I thought Tammany Hall was the Democrat machine. Well, wonders
never cease.



--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Old Nick
foisted Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:21:00 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

What easy pickings: Damn the administration for daring to think about the
unthinkable, then damn them for not having the foresight to prevent the next
terrorist attack.

There seems to be a logic problem here.

Having delayed elections because of a terror threat, how are you ever
going to have safe elections? Bush is in until there is "no more
terror"?

So the alternative is to simply ignore the uncast votes resulting from
a real event? Considering that the likely targets are still in the Liberal
Democrat camp, that might not be a bad idea.
Or should the residents of San Francisco get a chance to vote at a
later time if some catastrophe makes it difficult to do during the regular
hours?

Of course, this also is a question which hasn't been address in terms
of "natural disasters". Say the power is out in New England on election
day. "Oh, so sorry, the Democrats don't want you to have an alternate
option, the polls will close at eight pm, whether power is up or not."

Considering that the "real" election of the President is in January,
the details of how a state chooses its electors is up to the state
legislature.


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

wrote in message . ..


Republicans have no need to steal elections, but
democrats make it a life long career.

No need until the truth comes out, and no need unless they want to win.

pyotr filipivich wrote:

as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

About 20 years ago a Japanese delegation of Engineers were given a tour
of the plant where I worked. After the tour there was a get together in
the plant cafeteria. The slippage of U.S. technology was a subject that
came up.
One Japanese engineer smiled and said:
"Graduation of U.S. colleges is answer; two lawyers to every engineer.
Japanese colleges graduate 4 engineers to every lawyer!"

Bill Shuey

"William H. Shuey" wrote

About 20 years ago a Japanese delegation of Engineers were given a tour
of the plant where I worked. After the tour there was a get together in
the plant cafeteria. The slippage of U.S. technology was a subject that
came up.
One Japanese engineer smiled and said:
"Graduation of U.S. colleges is answer; two lawyers to every engineer.
Japanese colleges graduate 4 engineers to every lawyer!"


And about ten years after that their economy imploded - mainly because the
banks and real estate market collapsed. (All those engineers couldn't
invent their way outta that.) Now they have four unemployed engineers for
each of ours . . .

KL
"I'm an engineer. Where are my two lawyers?"

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:55:16 GMT, "Boris Beizer"
wrote:

There is an article in the July 19th edition of Newsweek relating to Ridge's
examination of what needs to be done in order to delay the November
election -- putatively in case of a terrorist attack at election time.

Hey Bosco,
I would think the Democrats would be in favor of this. It would give
them more time to come up with a viable candidate!!!

Rob

P.S.
Why don't you crawl back under the cross-posting rock from whence you
emerged?