Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Whose post did I respond to? Maybe it's not the meds, perhaps you're
just stupid?

As for the shrub, you must be one of that very very exclusive
minority that still believe the shrub was elected solely on
his statesmanship? Yeah, right! LOL

Brad

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:14:39 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Whose post did I respond to? Maybe it's not the meds, perhaps you're
just stupid?

Just wondering. When you mentioned paranoia..it only seems to fit Jim
and his "puppet masters". So apparently your reading comprehension is
not the only damaged intellectual issue you suffer from. As to if
its the meds or not..only you can tell us. Im not taking any.

As for the shrub, you must be one of that very very exclusive
minority that still believe the shrub was elected solely on
his statesmanship? Yeah, right! LOL

Brad

Ah..no. Bush was elected because conservatives (and a **** load of
moderates and liberals ) were afraid that Clinton's dummy Algor would
be a far worse president than even Clinton was. Bush appeared to be,
and continues to appear to be a much better president than Algor would
have dreamed of being.

As far as you clods and your spew go..notice since Farinlie 9-11 came
out..Bush's approval rating is going back up again? 55% this week
isnt it?

It would appear that the public, bless their apathetic little hearts,
are getting tired of the same old spew of **** from you lefty ****wits
and are giving you the fickle finger.

Im amused by you and your ilk. Even the tired old claims of election
fraud keep popping up, even after skatyeight recounts by Lefties
themselves..snicker..

You boys appear to be hatefilled little pustules scared ****less that
your influence on politics has finally come to an end and the
political pendulum is swinging to the Right. Get used to it. The
political swing from right to left and back again is a normal pattern.

We have had 40 yrs of **** from the Left when it was their turn..now
its the Rights turn to do good or bad. And it will happen, no matter
how much you spew nor how much spittle drips from your mouth as you
spew and rave.

So unclutch, take a deep breath and realize that your guy lost in
2000, all fair and square and acording to the rules (not that you
****wits didnt try to **** it up).

Now tell me , what reason can you come up for anyone to vote FOR
Kerry/Edwards,. the #1 and #4 most liberal congress critters.

Having good hair and being anyone besides Bush are automatically
disqualified as reasons.

So tell me, Jizzbreath..why anyone should vote FOR the demented Duo?

Ill be waiting for you to enlighten me.

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:14:39 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Whose post did I respond to? Maybe it's not the meds, perhaps you're
just stupid?

Just wondering. When you mentioned paranoia..it only seems to fit Jim
and his "puppet masters". So apparently your reading comprehension is
not the only damaged intellectual issue you suffer from. As to if
its the meds or not..only you can tell us. Im not taking any.

As for the shrub, you must be one of that very very exclusive
minority that still believe the shrub was elected solely on
his statesmanship? Yeah, right! LOL

Brad

Ah..no. Bush was elected because conservatives (and a **** load of
moderates and liberals ) were afraid that Clinton's dummy Algor would
be a far worse president than even Clinton was. Bush appeared to be,
and continues to appear to be a much better president than Algor would
have dreamed of being.

As far as you clods and your spew go..notice since Farinlie 9-11 came
out..Bush's approval rating is going back up again? 55% this week
isnt it?

It would appear that the public, bless their apathetic little hearts,
are getting tired of the same old spew of **** from you lefty ****wits
and are giving you the fickle finger.

Im amused by you and your ilk. Even the tired old claims of election
fraud keep popping up, even after skatyeight recounts by Lefties
themselves..snicker..

You boys appear to be hatefilled little pustules scared ****less that
your influence on politics has finally come to an end and the
political pendulum is swinging to the Right. Get used to it. The
political swing from right to left and back again is a normal pattern.

We have had 40 yrs of **** from the Left when it was their turn..now
its the Rights turn to do good or bad. And it will happen, no matter
how much you spew nor how much spittle drips from your mouth as you
spew and rave.

So unclutch, take a deep breath and realize that your guy lost in
2000, all fair and square and acording to the rules (not that you
****wits didnt try to **** it up).

Now tell me , what reason can you come up for anyone to vote FOR
Kerry/Edwards,. the #1 and #4 most liberal congress critters.

Having good hair and being anyone besides Bush are automatically
disqualified as reasons.

So tell me, Jizzbreath..why anyone should vote FOR the demented Duo?

Ill be waiting for you to enlighten me.

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism


Do you wear a bib? You do dribble on?
Ask a couple of questions and what pours forth?
A demented blathering of crap!
Still that's you all over, never stops, your volume is
in indirect proportion to your value to the community!
Don't delude yourself that I have the same paranoid
obsessions that possess you, regardless of any political
forum I may favor.
Rabid jerks like you certainly need medicating! To think
that you may possibly be qualified to vote!

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:30:27 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:14:39 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On 13 Jul 2004 11:07:39 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Oh oh...does that mean Bush & Co are smarter than you?

I never said the guys *around* GWB are dumb. Quite the
opposite. They're quite crafty. Guys like rumsfeld and
wolfowitz and cheney knew exactly who should be at the
wheel of the ship.

Too bad the rudder isn't connected to the wheel....

Jim

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims or is this simply
Opinion, following the monkeys flying out your ass along with your
bias, hatred and bigotry?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Whose post did I respond to? Maybe it's not the meds, perhaps you're
just stupid?

Just wondering. When you mentioned paranoia..it only seems to fit Jim
and his "puppet masters". So apparently your reading comprehension is
not the only damaged intellectual issue you suffer from. As to if
its the meds or not..only you can tell us. Im not taking any.

As for the shrub, you must be one of that very very exclusive
minority that still believe the shrub was elected solely on
his statesmanship? Yeah, right! LOL

Brad

Ah..no. Bush was elected because conservatives (and a **** load of
moderates and liberals ) were afraid that Clinton's dummy Algor would
be a far worse president than even Clinton was. Bush appeared to be,
and continues to appear to be a much better president than Algor would
have dreamed of being.

As far as you clods and your spew go..notice since Farinlie 9-11 came
out..Bush's approval rating is going back up again? 55% this week
isnt it?

It would appear that the public, bless their apathetic little hearts,
are getting tired of the same old spew of **** from you lefty ****wits
and are giving you the fickle finger.

Im amused by you and your ilk. Even the tired old claims of election
fraud keep popping up, even after skatyeight recounts by Lefties
themselves..snicker..

You boys appear to be hatefilled little pustules scared ****less that
your influence on politics has finally come to an end and the
political pendulum is swinging to the Right. Get used to it. The
political swing from right to left and back again is a normal pattern.

We have had 40 yrs of **** from the Left when it was their turn..now
its the Rights turn to do good or bad. And it will happen, no matter
how much you spew nor how much spittle drips from your mouth as you
spew and rave.

So unclutch, take a deep breath and realize that your guy lost in
2000, all fair and square and acording to the rules (not that you
****wits didnt try to **** it up).

Now tell me , what reason can you come up for anyone to vote FOR
Kerry/Edwards,. the #1 and #4 most liberal congress critters.

Having good hair and being anyone besides Bush are automatically
disqualified as reasons.

So tell me, Jizzbreath..why anyone should vote FOR the demented Duo?

Ill be waiting for you to enlighten me.

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism


Do you wear a bib? You do dribble on?
Ask a couple of questions and what pours forth?
A demented blathering of crap!
Still that's you all over, never stops, your volume is
in indirect proportion to your value to the community!
Don't delude yourself that I have the same paranoid
obsessions that possess you, regardless of any political
forum I may favor.
Rabid jerks like you certainly need medicating! To think
that you may possibly be qualified to vote!

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards. Your weaseling and rather pitiful attempts at
deflecting the question is noted and found amusing.

So cough up your best and enlighten me.

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:14:29 GMT, Scott Moore
wrote:

Bassie Adriaensen wrote:
------------------------------------------

I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.



Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.




So nice to know that you are more of an expert in US law than the supreme court.
Have you thought of applying for a job there ? I am sure they need to be told
they are wrong.....
You don't apply for a job at the USSC, you have to be appointed by the
President, and I haven't received my call yet.
And in the case of the Fla SC of trying to change the established
rules on the fly, the USSC was correct in stopping the democrat
political nonsense.
Hope this helps you out with your problem.

Meanwhile, back to modeling......

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:31:20 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "Bassie Adriaensen"
not_applicable foisted Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:07:36 +0200 on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:
------------------------------------------
I think you should be more concerned about
the long history of democrat voting frauds that they
are famous worldwide for.


Not to mention the stealing of elections that republicans are world famous
for.

Is Bassie trying to say that Mayor Daley was a Republican?
It only shows how Bassie would be confused by the facts.

Here I thought Tammany Hall was the Democrat machine. Well, wonders
never cease.
Meanwhile, back to modeling.....

In article , Gunner says...

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims

No, forget it. I mean, it isn't like GWB got
his job from his dad or something....

Um... hold on a sec.....

Jim

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"Gunner" wrote

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards.


To **** _you_ off, Gunner :-)

-- TP

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:
Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Can you prove they (or someone like them) are _not_?



---
Annoy a politician: Be trustworthy, faithful, and honest!
---
http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

"Yakker" wrote in message
om...
Nothing the BushCheneyburton NeoCon Christian Reich pulls off amazes me
anymore.

I hearby invoke Godwin's law.
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms...win_s_Law.html

In article , tonyp says...


"Gunner" wrote

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards.


To **** _you_ off, Gunner :-)

Side bonus. The *real* reason is that a number of
supreme court justices will be retiring in the next
term.

Jim

==================================================
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==================================================

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:52:13 -0400, "tonyp"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards.


To **** _you_ off, Gunner :-)

-- TP


Still waiting G

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:38:26 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Gunner
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:06:53 +1200, Brad wrote:
Hey dude, looks like you're on those generic meds that were
meant for the Sudan. Check the UBD. They reckon paranoia is
a by product of cheap meds, and let's face it, you're cheap!

Are you talking to me, or to Jim, who claims that the Illuminati is
pulling Bush's puppet strings?

Can you prove they (or someone like them) are _not_?


I didnt make the original claim. It has to be handled first. Then Ill
try to refute.

Thats how it works.

Gunner



---
Annoy a politician: Be trustworthy, faithful, and honest!
---
http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On 14 Jul 2004 07:13:49 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims

No, forget it. I mean, it isn't like GWB got
his job from his dad or something....

Um... hold on a sec.....

Jim


Actually Jim, he got his job from the People.

Gunner

================================================= =
please reply to:
JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com
================================================= =

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:59:00 +0100, "bob mologna"
wrote:

"Yakker" wrote in message
. com...
Nothing the BushCheneyburton NeoCon Christian Reich pulls off amazes me
anymore.

I hearby invoke Godwin's law.
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms...win_s_Law.html


Actually you have to use the exact words "hitler" or "Nazi" to invoke
Godwin. But your heart is in the right place G

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

On 14 Jul 2004 07:13:49 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

So you have cites for your puppet masters claims

No, forget it. I mean, it isn't like GWB got
his job from his dad or something....

Um... hold on a sec.....

Jim


Actually Jim, he got his job from the People.

Actually, he got it from a judge in Florida. Probably one appointed by
his brother Jeb, although I haven't bothered to find out how/when/by
whose actions the judge in question arrived on the bench.

--
Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004.
Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the
subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address.
See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details.

"Kurt Laughlin" wrote in message . ..
Speaking of Newsweek, how come you didn't mention this tidbit: "The
selection of Sen. John Edwards as John Kerry's running mate has raised
concerns inside the FBI and among civil-liberties groups that the North
Carolina senator will use the campaign to promote his controversial proposal
to create a new domestic spy agency."


KL


Well, if he does, he had the road paved very smoothly for him by Bush
and his cronies via the Patriot Act. I still don't understand why
those of you in this group who lean "somewhat" to the right aren't
literally up in arms over your loss of civil liberties due to this
law.!


As for a reason to vote for Kerry/Edwards, how about as a means to
lessen the likelihood of establishing a Bush family dynasty, which
they are clearly preparing to do. If GW wins again, who do you
suppose will run for the GOP in 2008? Do you think his name begins
with "B"?

Regards,,

Bob

In article , Gunner says...

... it isn't like GWB got
his job from his dad or something....

Um... hold on a sec.....

... he got his job from the People.

Buy many bridges do you?

Jim

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JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com
==================================================

In article , Gunner says...

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards.

To **** _you_ off, Gunner :-)

Still waiting G

Well you *had* my answer. I think it's probably
the best reason of all. If kerry gets elected
he probably won't do well, given what he would
be inheriting. I'd be more than happy to sacrifice
him though, for the greater good.

Jim

==================================================
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JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com
==================================================

On 14 Jul 2004 14:13:51 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Im still waiting for you to tell me WHY we should vote for
Kerry/Edwards.

To **** _you_ off, Gunner :-)

Still waiting G

Well you *had* my answer. I think it's probably
the best reason of all. If kerry gets elected
he probably won't do well, given what he would
be inheriting. I'd be more than happy to sacrifice
him though, for the greater good.

Jim

Given what he will inherit? 40 yrs of Lieberal damages with a 4 yr
Republican hiatus marked by the new war on terrorism?

Brrrrrr..

Course..having a solidly Conservative Congress should prove
interesting. I wonder how many judicial candidates will get approved?

Snicker......


Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:39:34 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:



Actually Jim, he got his job from the People.

Actually, he got it from a judge in Florida. Probably one appointed by
his brother Jeb, although I haven't bothered to find out how/when/by
whose actions the judge in question arrived on the bench.

Got cites to go with your whine?

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

On 14 Jul 2004 14:12:06 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

... it isn't like GWB got
his job from his dad or something....

Um... hold on a sec.....

... he got his job from the People.

Buy many bridges do you?

Jim

Think he bought the Electoral College?

Remember Jim..shiney side out.

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Don Bruder
foisted Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:39:34 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

Actually Jim, he got his job from the People.

Actually, he got it from a judge in Florida. Probably one appointed by
his brother Jeb, although I haven't bothered to find out how/when/by
whose actions the judge in question arrived on the bench.

Bzzt thank you for playing. You don't even get a lousy copy of the home
game.

Next time, remember, shiny side out.

toodles


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--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "Kurt Laughlin"
foisted Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:48:58 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

"William H. Shuey" wrote

About 20 years ago a Japanese delegation of Engineers were given a tour
of the plant where I worked. After the tour there was a get together in
the plant cafeteria. The slippage of U.S. technology was a subject that
came up.
One Japanese engineer smiled and said:
"Graduation of U.S. colleges is answer; two lawyers to every engineer.
Japanese colleges graduate 4 engineers to every lawyer!"


And about ten years after that their economy imploded - mainly because the
banks and real estate market collapsed. (All those engineers couldn't
invent their way outta that.) Now they have four unemployed engineers for
each of ours . . .

And the Japanese economy remains in a deflationary spiral, hobbled by
the fact that while the real estate market bubble popped, the loans based
on those inflated values haven't been "adjusted". Of course, as long as
payments are made, those loans are still counted as "good". But the
economy is going nowhere, slowly.

KL
"I'm an engineer. Where are my two lawyers?"


--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "Kurt Laughlin"
foisted Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:48:58 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

"William H. Shuey" wrote

About 20 years ago a Japanese delegation of Engineers were given a tour
of the plant where I worked. After the tour there was a get together in
the plant cafeteria. The slippage of U.S. technology was a subject that
came up.
One Japanese engineer smiled and said:
"Graduation of U.S. colleges is answer; two lawyers to every engineer.
Japanese colleges graduate 4 engineers to every lawyer!"


And about ten years after that their economy imploded - mainly because the
banks and real estate market collapsed. (All those engineers couldn't
invent their way outta that.) Now they have four unemployed engineers for
each of ours . . .

And the Japanese economy remains in a deflationary spiral, hobbled by
the fact that while the real estate market bubble popped, the loans based
on those inflated values haven't been "adjusted". Of course, as long as
payments are made, those loans are still counted as "good". But the
economy is going nowhere, slowly.

KL
"I'm an engineer. Where are my two lawyers?"


at one time tohoyo has a paper value higher than that of the
entire u.s. or so said an announcer on that japanese-english
sat station.

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what (e)
foisted Thu, 15 Jul 2004 05:34:48 GMT on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

"I'm an engineer. Where are my two lawyers?"


at one time tohoyo has a paper value higher than that of the
entire u.s. or so said an announcer on that japanese-english
sat station.

Classic real estate bubble. When the value of a piece of real estate
can only be recovered by selling the property, not by selling anything made
on the property, you have an over valued market. Similar in kind to the
dot.com bubble, or the famous Amsterdam Tulip craze.



--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

In article , Tom Quackenbush says...

So, he's looking at a "what if"? As I recall, considering worst case
scenarios and determining what can and cannot be done ahead of time is part
of Ridge's job.

Hmm. Where was he when they said "what if" somebody flys a
commercial airliner into a the pentagon? Not very good at
"let's play what if" then, what's to say he's any better at
it now?

Okay, I looked at the first part of the post again, but I'm still
missing your point. It looked like you were saying that Ridge did a
poor job of anticipating the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon, yes?

Did he have some national security responsibilities in September 2001
that I'm not aware of?

He had security responsibilities in his capacity at that time,
didn't he? Granted it isn't like folks were saying "hey,
what are these folks doing getting pilot licences here" or
maybe "why do these guys act like they're trying to hijack planes
here" or whatnot.

But the mechanism of attack was pretty obvious in retrospect, and
almost nobody flagged it. He sure didn't, in the job he had at
the time.

Some folks *did*. They were ignored. My point was, putting
"experts" in charge of stuff like this (predicting the 'next
big thing') is not always a good idea.

Jim

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On 15 Jul 2004 09:35:48 -0700, jim rozen
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Some folks *did*. They were ignored. My point was, putting
"experts" in charge of stuff like this (predicting the 'next
big thing') is not always a good idea.

Jim

blink blink....so then...if we take the oldest group of kids from the
St. Mary's home for retarded children, or a typical group of
methamphetamine users, or a group of Democrat poll watchers and put
them in an office, they will be able to predict the next terrorist
attack?

Interesting comment Jim......blink blink....

Gunner, who strongly believes in Murphys law..and the concept of "****
happens"


"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

In article , Gunner says...

On 14 Jul 2004 14:13:51 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

Given what he will inherit? 40 yrs of Lieberal damages with a 4 yr
Republican hiatus marked by the new war on terrorism?

Hmm. The hiatus was democratic if you think about it.

Reagan

(clinton)

Bush1

Bush2

Which one of those was a democrat?

Course..having a solidly Conservative Congress should prove
interesting. I wonder how many judicial candidates will get approved?

That's what the checks and ballances are all about. I
suspect that about three or four of them will be approved.

Rhenquist
Stevens
O'Conner

probably more.

Jim

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On 15 Jul 2004 10:57:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

On 14 Jul 2004 14:13:51 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

Given what he will inherit? 40 yrs of Lieberal damages with a 4 yr
Republican hiatus marked by the new war on terrorism?

Hmm. The hiatus was democratic if you think about it.

Reagan

(clinton)

Bush1

Bush2

Which one of those was a democrat?


Chuckle..Jim..which ones of those were Conservatives? (1)

Course..having a solidly Conservative Congress should prove
interesting. I wonder how many judicial candidates will get approved?

That's what the checks and ballances are all about. I
suspect that about three or four of them will be approved.

Rhenquist
Stevens
O'Conner

probably more.

Jim


Ah..Jim..they are already Judges. Until they die, or retire. Its the
new judges that Im talking about..those that get picked to fill spots
newly vacant. Like those that the Left have been blocking. Which oddly
enough..are mostly Minority judges nominated by the Right. Estrada
for example..and a black woman who's name escapes me at the moment.
and a host of others.

Seems the Left doesnt much care for minority judges who are not
extreme leftists.

Gunner

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In article , Gunner says...

Chuckle..Jim..which ones of those were Conservatives?

Well, *one* of them was a fiscal conservative. He had
a balanced budget.


Rhenquist
Stevens
O'Conner

probably more.

Ah..Jim..they are already Judges. Until they die, or retire.

Earth to Gunner - those guys are going to retire within the
next presidential term. Count on it.

... Like those that the Left have been blocking.

Strange. I though playing petty politics was the republican's
job. Funny how they start crying and blubbering when the other
side starts doing the same thing. I think they made their bed,
now they start complaining about it...

Jim

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In article , Gunner says...

... My point was, putting
"experts" in charge of stuff like this (predicting the 'next
big thing') is not always a good idea.

blink blink....so then...if we take the oldest group of kids from the
St. Mary's home for retarded children, or a typical group of
methamphetamine users, or a group of Democrat poll watchers and put
them in an office, they will be able to predict the next terrorist
attack?

Once again you are asking the *wrong* question. Not 'could they
do any better,' but rather, could your group of misfits "do
any _worse_?"

Jim

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Gunner wrote:


And then we can discuss the Daley Machine..where party loyalty extends
to even those long dead .......


Sounds like Baltimore. I remember many years ago, back when the
Baltimore Sun still had some editorial integrity, they did a check after
an election and noted a large number of votors with addresses on certain
blocks of North Avenue. Turned out to be a big old cemetery there. The
Sunpapers editor joked that he wondered if John Wilkes Booth came back
to vote for mayor DeAlesandro. The cemetery is where Booth was buried in
1865.

Bill Shuey

On 15 Jul 2004 13:51:32 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

... My point was, putting
"experts" in charge of stuff like this (predicting the 'next
big thing') is not always a good idea.

blink blink....so then...if we take the oldest group of kids from the
St. Mary's home for retarded children, or a typical group of
methamphetamine users, or a group of Democrat poll watchers and put
them in an office, they will be able to predict the next terrorist
attack?

Once again you are asking the *wrong* question. Not 'could they
do any better,' but rather, could your group of misfits "do
any _worse_?"

Jim

Answer my question first.

Btw..when was the last terrorist attack on the continental US?

Gunner


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particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or
responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect
to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by
any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it
into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts
that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other
agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within
five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or
by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron
who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece
of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a
bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.'

On 15 Jul 2004 13:49:04 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Chuckle..Jim..which ones of those were Conservatives?

Well, *one* of them was a fiscal conservative. He had
a balanced budget.

Only if you used smoke and mirrors.

Rhenquist
Stevens
O'Conner

probably more.

Ah..Jim..they are already Judges. Until they die, or retire.

Earth to Gunner - those guys are going to retire within the
next presidential term. Count on it.

Time will tell.

... Like those that the Left have been blocking.

Strange. I though playing petty politics was the republican's
job. Funny how they start crying and blubbering when the other
side starts doing the same thing. I think they made their bed,
now they start complaining about it...

Shows what sort of wierd **** you can come up with when Thinking, huh?

Now about Estrada.....

Gunner


Jim

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imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any
particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or
responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect
to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by
any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it
into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts
that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other
agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within
five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or
by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron
who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece
of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a
bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.'

In article , Gunner says...

Rhenquist
Stevens
O'Conner

probably more.

Ah..Jim..they are already Judges. Until they die, or retire.

Earth to Gunner - those guys are going to retire within the
next presidential term. Count on it.

Willing to bet? I would wager a sixpack of Mt Dew against
a sixpack of coke that, no matter who is elected next term,
at least two of the three justices will announce their retirement
and they will begin the selection process.

Jim

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In article , Tom Quackenbush says...

I've no idea what Tom Ridge's qualifications for Director of
Homeland Security are, or who might be better qualified.

I think gunner had a pretty good list there.

At this time, those are his responsibilites. So
a discussion of his employment history, in light
of those, is appropriate IMO.

Jim

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President for Life (AKA King). I thought that was one of the reasons
we went to war with England.