The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range. I'd like to hear of any
indicators of him having a high I.Q., anyone have any?

What I am also interested in is finding out who thinks Bush is smarter than
they are. I'm only guessing but I think all of Bush's advisors think they
are smarter than he is. Whether it's Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Cheney, Rummy,
Rice, Libby, and the rest, I bet every one of them thinks they are smarter
than Bush is. I bet they are too. So the question is who among us will admit
to being dumber than George Bush. Sound off if you think Bush is smarter
than you are.

Hawke

Average intelligence is by definition an IQ of 100. I think that most
everyone would concede that Bush's IQ is above 100. One indicator that
he might have a high IQ is that his grades at Yale were slightly higher
than John Kerry's, but since I think that Kerry is dumber than dirt, I
don't think that proves much.

I am curious where you get the idea that stubborness has any
correlation to IQ?

Dan

Why would Bush *want* to be the smartest man in the room? Ask anyone who
has any measure of business success in life and they will tell you that they
became successful by surrounding themselves with good people. You don't
really think that any leader, be it Bush, Blair, Kerry, Clinton, corporate
CEO, or middle manager come up with all the ideas and options themselves do
you?

Leaders lead by having a set of principles and objectives that govern their
thoughts and actions. They then measure the advice given them by their
subordinates and advisors against those principles and objectives, weigh the
options and make a decision. To be sure, you need a measure of
intelligence to make the right decisions, but the point is that generally,
the options, risks and rewards details come from those other smart guys.

Michael Dell said it very well in a commencement address he gave at the
University of Texas at Austin in 2003: "Try never to be the smartest person
in the room. And if you are, I suggest you invite smarter people . or find a
different room."
(http://www.dell.com/downloads/global...mmencement.pdf).
I think you'll find this speech very inspirational and motivating if you
take a few minutes to read it all.

Robert

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time
now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right
appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So
there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range. I'd like to hear of any
indicators of him having a high I.Q., anyone have any?

What I am also interested in is finding out who thinks Bush is smarter
than
they are. I'm only guessing but I think all of Bush's advisors think they
are smarter than he is. Whether it's Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Cheney,
Rummy,
Rice, Libby, and the rest, I bet every one of them thinks they are smarter
than Bush is. I bet they are too. So the question is who among us will
admit
to being dumber than George Bush. Sound off if you think Bush is smarter
than you are.

Hawke

What's scary is the intelligence of all the Democrats that he snookered in
the "Vast right-wing conspiracy" So which is it? Is he too dumb not to
have "Found" some WMDs or is he so smart he set up this huge multi leveled
world manipulation? I've heard the Dems say it both ways so which am I to
believe? He's dumb as a rock or a brilliant criminal mastermind depending
on what point the Dems are trying to make as they implode. I pray for and
pity the Dems daily...I bet THAT really burns since they don't believe in
any God other than abortion, welfare, taxes and surrender.

Americans choose the best "C" student they can get, even if by a small
margin:

Kerry finished Yale with a cumulative score of 76.
Bush finished Yale with a cumulative score of 77.



--
Accidental creation should not be taught as a fact.
Intelligent creation should not be banned from teachings as
unconstitutional.

Intelligence is not the issue in our leaders. Jimmy Carter was said to be
very smart, but IMHO he was one of the worst leaders we have ever had.

Well I don't know if he's smarter than me but he's president and I'm
not.

Well I don't know if he's smarter than me but he's president and I'm
not.

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:57:38 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote:

The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range. I'd like to hear of any
indicators of him having a high I.Q., anyone have any?

What I am also interested in is finding out who thinks Bush is smarter than
they are. I'm only guessing but I think all of Bush's advisors think they
are smarter than he is. Whether it's Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Cheney, Rummy,
Rice, Libby, and the rest, I bet every one of them thinks they are smarter
than Bush is. I bet they are too. So the question is who among us will admit
to being dumber than George Bush. Sound off if you think Bush is smarter
than you are.

Hawke

It's totally irrelevant for a person in that postion, or anyone over
20 for that matter. Measure a man by what he does, nevermind scores
and metrics that might indicate potential of what he might be able to
do.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:58:14 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

What's scary is the intelligence of all the Democrats that he snookered in
the "Vast right-wing conspiracy" So which is it? Is he too dumb not to
have "Found" some WMDs or is he so smart he set up this huge multi leveled
world manipulation? I've heard the Dems say it both ways so which am I to
believe? He's dumb as a rock or a brilliant criminal mastermind depending
on what point the Dems are trying to make as they implode. I pray for and
pity the Dems daily...I bet THAT really burns since they don't believe in
any God other than abortion, welfare, taxes and surrender.

Point
Set
Match

Bravo!!!

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Hawke wrote in article
...
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time
now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right
appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So
there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range. I'd like to hear of any
indicators of him having a high I.Q., anyone have any?



People of HIGH intelligence discuss IDEAS......

People of AVERAGE intelligence discuss THINGS.....

People of LOW intelligence discuss PEOPLE.........


Author unknown......

In article ,
Clark Magnuson wrote:

Americans choose the best "C" student they can get, even if by a small
margin:

Kerry finished Yale with a cumulative score of 76.
Bush finished Yale with a cumulative score of 77.

But which one cheated harder?

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

"I bet THAT really burns since they don't believe in
any God other than abortion, welfare, taxes and surrender. "

Believe it or not, I once lost my way, and when I stopped at a place
for directions, I happened upon a religious ceremony taking place.
There upon the altar was a rusted coat hanger (signifying abortion), a
roast of fatted beef (welfare), and a pair of work pants with a penny
in the pocket (what's left for the working man after taxes), all
arranged on a white silk flag (surrender). There were people dressed in
tie-dyed hoods hugging other peolple dressed as trees and dolphins,
some rolling on the floor speaking in tongue of the founding fathers,
all the while chanting "Hillary... Hillary...Hillary..."
It was all quite surreal, until I noticed the sign above the door that
read "The Democratic Church of the Palpitating Pulpit".



Ron

Gus wrote:
Well I don't know if he's smarter than me but he's president and I'm
not.

I think that makes you smarter than him Gus :)
I doubt that a more thankless job exists on the planet and I don't exactly
know what wanting it means but I don't think it's intelligence.
LOL

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

In article , John R. Carroll
says...

Gus wrote:
Well I don't know if he's smarter than me but he's president and I'm
not.

I think that makes you smarter than him Gus :)

I was gonna say, just wait about three years gus, that'll
change.



Jim


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On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:57:38 -0800, Hawke wrote:
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time now.

And the troll aspect of Hawke, has never been in doubt. plonk again.
I don't know why you bother to nym-shift.

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:58:14 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:
What's scary is the intelligence of all the Democrats that he snookered in
the "Vast right-wing conspiracy" So which is it? Is he too dumb not to
have "Found" some WMDs or is he so smart he set up this huge multi leveled
world manipulation? I've heard the Dems say it both ways so which am I to
believe? He's dumb as a rock or a brilliant criminal mastermind depending
on what point the Dems are trying to make as they implode. I pray for and
pity the Dems daily...I bet THAT really burns since they don't believe in
any God other than abortion, welfare, taxes and surrender.
=========================
Even worse there is no one in charge at all and we are on a
run-away bus with no driver while the people up front squabble
over whch way to turn, if they should stop the bus, etc. while
preventing anyone from the back of the bus that knows how to
drive from getting to the drivers seat.

Its all about "doing things right," v. "doing the right things."

Uncle George

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:57:38 -0800, Hawke wrote:
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time
now.

And the troll aspect of Hawke, has never been in doubt. plonk again.
I don't know why you bother to nym-shift.

I agree. Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, says Dick Cheney.
But more importantly, he proved that you don't need brains to be president.
A nice smile and good hair can get you through.

The trick for the low-IQ and C-student presidents is to keep their jaws from
dropping when things happen, and to always change the subject when they're
asked a question.

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 05:16:16 GMT, "Emmo"
wrote:
Intelligence is not the issue in our leaders. Jimmy Carter was said to be
very smart, but IMHO he was one of the worst leaders we have ever had.
=====================
Latest thought is there are many different kinds of intelligence.
For example Mozart was a musical genius, but would most likely be
a failure as president if only because he would [want to] spend
all his time playing/composing.

Additional problem is the goals of the potential leader. They
may be ideally suited for the job with exactly the types of
intelligence required, but if their goal is to enrich themselves
and their friends at the expense of the vast majority, they would
not be a good choice either (at least from the point of the
majority).

If we can require routine periodic psychiatric
evlauation/examinations of our police officers, who at most carry
a rifle, it seems only reasonable that we require perodic
psychiatric examination and "vetting" of presidential candidates
who will have the resources of the United States under their
control including h-bombs and internal secret police.

Uncle George

F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 05:16:16 GMT, "Emmo"
wrote:
Intelligence is not the issue in our leaders. Jimmy Carter was said
to be very smart, but IMHO he was one of the worst leaders we have
ever had.
=====================
Latest thought is there are many different kinds of intelligence.
For example Mozart was a musical genius, but would most likely be
a failure as president if only because he would [want to] spend
all his time playing/composing.

Additional problem is the goals of the potential leader. They
may be ideally suited for the job with exactly the types of
intelligence required, but if their goal is to enrich themselves
and their friends at the expense of the vast majority, they would
not be a good choice either (at least from the point of the
majority).

If we can require routine periodic psychiatric
evlauation/examinations of our police officers, who at most carry
a rifle, it seems only reasonable that we require perodic
psychiatric examination and "vetting" of presidential candidates
who will have the resources of the United States under their
control including h-bombs and internal secret police.


George,
It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the yearly physical includes an
evaluation to a certain extent.
It wouldn't have to be obvious unless someone were genuinely concerned. It's
probably a pretty touchy subject given the political implications. After
all, the opposite side of the aisle sort of starts out with the assumption
that the other guy is nuts to some degree.


--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
]

[snip I agree. Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, says Dick
Cheney.
But more importantly, he proved that you don't need brains to be
president.
A nice smile and good hair can get you through.

The trick for the low-IQ and C-student presidents is to keep their jaws
from
dropping when things happen, and to always change the subject when they're
asked a question.

--
Ed Huntress


Hey, don't make fun of Ron. After four years of Carter the country wanted
someone who could act like a President - so we elected an actor.

Steve.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time
now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right
appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So
there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range.

"Bush's intelligence", isn't that an oxymoron?

Americans choose the best "C" student they can get, even if by a small
margin:

Kerry finished Yale with a cumulative score of 76.
Bush finished Yale with a cumulative score of 77.


But which one cheated harder?



A guy who was the worst engineering student in the graduating class,
could rise to top 1% engineering income in industry, using the skills he
gained cheating and getting others to do his homework. Ask me how I know
--
Accidental creation should not be taught as a fact.
Intelligent creation should not be banned from teachings as
unconstitutional.

People of HIGH intelligence discuss IDEAS......

People of AVERAGE intelligence discuss THINGS.....

People of LOW intelligence discuss PEOPLE.........


Author unknown......



Bush is probably too smart and too productive to read this forum.

--
Accidental creation should not be taught as a fact.
Intelligent creation should not be banned from teachings as
unconstitutional.

"SteveF" wrote in message
.. .

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
]

[snip I agree. Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter, says
Dick
Cheney.
But more importantly, he proved that you don't need brains to be
president.
A nice smile and good hair can get you through.

The trick for the low-IQ and C-student presidents is to keep their jaws
from
dropping when things happen, and to always change the subject when
they're
asked a question.

--
Ed Huntress


Hey, don't make fun of Ron. After four years of Carter the country wanted
someone who could act like a President - so we elected an actor.

Steve.

You nailed it.

--
Ed Huntress

On 2 Jan 2006 07:49:54 -0800, "doo" wrote:

"I bet THAT really burns since they don't believe in
any God other than abortion, welfare, taxes and surrender. "

Believe it or not, I once lost my way, and when I stopped at a place
for directions, I happened upon a religious ceremony taking place.
There upon the altar was a rusted coat hanger (signifying abortion), a
roast of fatted beef (welfare), and a pair of work pants with a penny
in the pocket (what's left for the working man after taxes), all
arranged on a white silk flag (surrender). There were people dressed in
tie-dyed hoods hugging other peolple dressed as trees and dolphins,
some rolling on the floor speaking in tongue of the founding fathers,
all the while chanting "Hillary... Hillary...Hillary..."
It was all quite surreal, until I noticed the sign above the door that
read "The Democratic Church of the Palpitating Pulpit".



Ron

ROFLMAO!!...well done Sir..well done indeed.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

After reading the responses to my query there was one thing that stood out,
nobody, not one person said they thought Bush was smarter than they are.
That doesn't surprise me and it says a lot too. It's like nobody mentioning
the 400lb. gorilla in the room. So I take that as tacit acknowledgement that
everyone knows that Bush really isn't very bright. It reminds me of when
there is a fat, ugly girl they want to fix you up with and people say she's
really nice. We all know what that means.

Surprisingly, numerous replies from people discounting the value of
intelligence were heard. Changes of topic were also common instead of
addressing the issue of Bush's intellectual abilities. Several people
pointed out that success was more inportant than brains and that it was
better not to be the smartest person in the room. Sadly, all those responses
run contrary to reality. In truth, being the smartest, richest, best-looking
person in the room is what everyone wishes they could be. Some folks don't
want to admit that though.

As expected there was a political bias too. Everyone excusing Bush's lack of
brains or those saying that he didn't really need brains to be a leader or
to be a success I assumed to be politically conservative. In the end what
seems to be the answer to the question is that Bush does not have a high
intellect. I came to that conclusion based on the fact that no one was able
to make a strong case that Bush was an individual posessing a high I.Q.
Liberals are saddened by that fact and conservatives make excuses for it.
Liberals think being smarter would make Bush, or anyone, a better president.
Conservatives argue that being the leader of the greatest nation on earth
doesn't require much intellectual capability. That's a weak argument in my
book but when you have an intellectually limited individual leading your
party what else can you say? The bottom line is that no one can come up with
a strong argument showing that Bush is smart. But then, that's what I
expected when I asked the question in the first place. Thanks for the
confirmation.

Hawke

Hawke wrote:
After reading the responses to my query there was one thing that stood out,
nobody, not one person said they thought Bush was smarter than they are.

It does not surprise me either. Most people think they are of above
average intelligence.


In truth, being the smartest, richest, best-looking
person in the room is what everyone wishes they could be. Some folks don't
want to admit that though.

I have never wanted to the smartest, richest, and best looking. Just
smart enough and rich enough.

The bottom line is that no one can come up with
a strong argument showing that Bush is smart. But then, that's what I
expected when I asked the question in the first place. Thanks for the
confirmation.

Yale graduate, Harvard Business School graduate. Won two presidential
elections. Works for me. Kerry ran on being smart. Bush was smart
enough not to do that.

Adial Stevenson was smart. When told that every intellectual was for
his election, he said something to the effect that he needed a lot more
votes than that.
Dan

Hawke

P.S. Where did you get that weird idea that stubborness has any
correlation to intellligence?

Hawke wrote:
After reading the responses to my query there was one thing that stood out,
nobody, not one person said they thought Bush was smarter than they are.
That doesn't surprise me and it says a lot too. It's like nobody mentioning
the 400lb. gorilla in the room. So I take that as tacit acknowledgement that
everyone knows that Bush really isn't very bright. It reminds me of when
there is a fat, ugly girl they want to fix you up with and people say she's
really nice. We all know what that means.

No, you missed the point because it did not agree with your
preconception. We think Bush is pretty sharp, probably as smart or more
than the average in this forum. He is no Einstein, and neither are we,
nor do we want a super-intellect running our country. After all, we
tried out a Rhodes Scholar for 8 years, and suffered national
embarrassment as a result.
The office of the president, even the government as a whole, was
designed by the FFs to be made up of ordinary men, not intellectuals.
Remember the line about "...rule of law, not of men"?
Anyone with military command experince knows that the best leaders
are rarely those with the highest intellect. The individual with common
sense, commitment and purpose will be a better leader. I don't think
it's an accident that both Bushes spent time as officers in the military.

Rex B wrote:
think Bush is pretty sharp, probably as smart or more
than the average in this forum. He is no Einstein, and neither are we,
nor do we want a super-intellect running our country.

Einstein got his girlfriend pregnant, got divorce, got married, and
cheated on his second wife.
He also remarked that he did not have the where withal to build a
telescope or keep track of money.

With Bush, you get a guy that is self made rich, keeps it in his pants,
two beautiful daughters, and got elected twice.

Probably not one person who criticizes Bush for being dumb on this forum
has the brains to be a Yale graduate and a Harvard Business School
graduate.

I have long marveled how the dumbest guy in the world, thinks that he is
smartest.

When you hire bums for a menial task, notice how egotistical they are.
Having the big ego is why they are bums.

Being humble is how Bush got so successful.

No one that wastes time on this forum has as much brains as Bush in
quite a few of the multi dimensions of intelligence.

Think you are half as good as Bush?
Prove it and stay away from BS forum issues like this.

Clark
--
Accidental creation should not be taught as a fact.
Intelligent creation should not be banned from teachings as
unconstitutional.

doo wrote:


Believe it or not, I once lost my way,

Many have lost their way

When Marx, Darwin, Sex, and Drugs are your religion, did you think good
things were going to happen?

--
Accidental creation should not be taught as a fact.
Intelligent creation should not be banned from teachings as
unconstitutional.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:23:59 -0800, "John Kunkel"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
...
The level of Bush's intellect has been food for thought for a long time
now.
Most people on the left believe him to be a moron. Those on the right
appear
to think that he is of high intellect. Without testing it's probably
impossible to know for sure but inarticulate people are usually not very
smart. We all know about Bush's speaking ability, or lack thereof. So
there
is one indicator right there. Stubbornness is also associated with a low
intellect so there is another indicator there. My thinking is that Bush's
intelligence is in the average or below range.

"Bush's intelligence", isn't that an oxymoron?

Perhaps on the same level as "Thinking Liberal"?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Clark Magnuson" wrote

With Bush, you get a guy that is self made rich, ...


Had Dubya's poppy been a longshoreman, and his grandpoppy a coal miner, the
above would _not_ be the stupidest statement ever made on usenet.

-- TP

What was Bush into Engineering ? and Kerry - political """Science""" not ?

When I was taking my Physics and Math Degrees my friends in the Business classes
were the party boys.

Grades are one thing - underwater basket weaving.....

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Clark Magnuson wrote:


Americans choose the best "C" student they can get, even if by a
small margin:

Kerry finished Yale with a cumulative score of 76.
Bush finished Yale with a cumulative score of 77.



But which one cheated harder?



A guy who was the worst engineering student in the graduating class,
could rise to top 1% engineering income in industry, using the skills he
gained cheating and getting others to do his homework. Ask me how I know

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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
What was Bush into Engineering ?

History. He was a history major at Yale, and got a C average. Think about
it.

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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
What was Bush into Engineering ? .......

Seems doubtful since Bush appears to have the science literacy of a turnip.
IIRC he was in one of the "arts" type of faculties (and did not do
particularly well at that).

Laurie Forbes

Hawke wrote:
After reading the responses to my query there was one thing that stood
out,
nobody, not one person said they thought Bush was smarter than they are.

It does not surprise me either. Most people think they are of above
average intelligence.

I'm not sure that's true. While some folks over rate their intelligence
there are plenty that under rate themselves or don't really know how smart
they are. In Bush's case he comes across as not being that bright, which may
be why so many average people think he's one of them, and why they think
they are as smart as he is.

In truth, being the smartest, richest, best-looking
person in the room is what everyone wishes they could be. Some folks
don't
want to admit that though.

I have never wanted to the smartest, richest, and best looking. Just
smart enough and rich enough.

The only thing that proves is there is an exception to the rule. You put 50
people in a room and everyone wants to be the best something or other.

The bottom line is that no one can come up with
a strong argument showing that Bush is smart. But then, that's what I
expected when I asked the question in the first place. Thanks for the
confirmation.

Yale graduate, Harvard Business School graduate. Won two presidential
elections. Works for me. Kerry ran on being smart. Bush was smart
enough not to do that.

Well, at least that is an argument that has some merit as far as proving
Bush is a smart guy. Even though there is no correlation between winning
elections and intelligence. However, consider that without being a Yale
legacy he could never have qualified on his own merit to go to that school.
The other thing is that from everything I have read when Bush was in college
the only thing he distinguished himself in was the fact that he was such a
poor student. Like I said, weigh the evidence and what is the logical
conclusion. Yes, Bush graduated from Ivy league schools. But he didn't
deserve to be accepted there and when there he was a poor student. I'd say
that weighs against his being too brainy.

Adial Stevenson was smart. When told that every intellectual was for
his election, he said something to the effect that he needed a lot more
votes than that.

Smart man.

P.S. Where did you get that weird idea that stubborness has any
correlation to intellligence?

I have to admit that I can't remember where I came across the correlation
between stubbornness and lack of intelligence. Maybe it came from the
comparisons of the stupidity of a mule which goes along with it's
stubbornness. On the other hand, it's more likely that I read that somewhere
for a psychology class I took.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

I'm not sure that's true. While some folks over rate their intelligence
there are plenty that under rate themselves or don't really know how smart
they are. In Bush's case he comes across as not being that bright, which
may
be why so many average people think he's one of them, and why they think
they are as smart as he is.

For what little it's worth, my own impression is that he's quite smart, but,
as one pundit put it, he's "an incurious man."

I doubt if his supporters think he's just of average intelligence. What they
like about his clumsy rhetoric and mispronunciations is that he disvalues
the same things they disvalue: the personal behaviors that they associate
with an elite education from an exclusive (meaning "excluding," to them)
institution (Andover, Yale, and Harvard). They resent those behaviors and
institutions and they hold negative connotations of people who have elite
educations, if they presume to speak and write like they have one. It's
clear that Bush never bought into the program. That's what they like.

Yale graduate, Harvard Business School graduate. Won two presidential
elections. Works for me. Kerry ran on being smart. Bush was smart
enough not to do that.

Well, at least that is an argument that has some merit as far as proving
Bush is a smart guy. Even though there is no correlation between winning
elections and intelligence. However, consider that without being a Yale
legacy he could never have qualified on his own merit to go to that
school.

No question. From the limited evidence that people will talk about, he
apparently had poor recommendations from Andover. The Ivy League in those
days put the legacy issue first -- especially if your parents had achieved
some degree of notoriety.

--
Ed Huntress

Clark Magnuson wrote:


People of HIGH intelligence discuss IDEAS......

People of AVERAGE intelligence discuss THINGS.....

People of LOW intelligence discuss PEOPLE.........


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Bush is probably too smart and too productive to read this forum.

You're right, he has the NSA reading it for him.

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 05:04:48 GMT, ff wrote:

Clark Magnuson wrote:


People of HIGH intelligence discuss IDEAS......

People of AVERAGE intelligence discuss THINGS.....

People of LOW intelligence discuss PEOPLE.........


Author unknown......



Bush is probably too smart and too productive to read this forum.

You're right, he has the NSA reading it for him.

Chuckle...the ABC agencies have been reading the newsgroups..the
militia, dope and other newsgroups since the inception of Usenet.

I know for a fact..that they have been poking their heads into some of
the newsgroups, rec.guns, misc.survivalism and so forth..since they
were created. It didnt bother me when Clintons droids were reviewing
my posts and emails via Echelon..why should it bother me when Bush;s
do it too?

Gunner