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OT - technically inept commercials
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This isn't on topic, but I felt the need to vent and I figured this NG might understand. Last night I saw a commercial for a tire store or manufacturer that featured a woman parking a Jeep on a steep hill, pulling the parking brake and getting out. The Jeep then slid down the hill with the front wheels locked supposedly illustrating the point that the woman's car needed tires. This bugged me because the parking brake doesn't work on the front wheels... Recently there was commercial that had a guy on a chopper sitting at a light revving his engine. The sound of a largely unmuffled Harley motor permeates the air. The chopper however, has an old Honda SOHC 750 motor. My favorite was a guy in a fragrance commercial standing at the back of a bathtub Porsche with the rear cowl up and... wait for it... steam coming out. I suppose I shoould be impressed that he had the cowl on the right end of the car open. There are many more I've noticed over the years. One would think that ad agencies would employ technically aware to prevent stupid stuff like this. I guess the reality is that most folks don't notice. Rant off, Peter |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:27:55 -0500, Rex B wrote:
wrote: My favorite was a guy in a fragrance commercial standing at the back of a bathtub Porsche with the rear cowl up and... wait for it... steam coming out. I suppose I shoould be impressed that he had the cowl on the right end of the car open. Could have been oil smoke from that seeping valve cover. Of course the valve cover gaskets leak - how else are you supposed to know it's getting enough oil?!??!!? |
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CSI, with all of their technostuff, has also made some goofs. I
recall Grissom attracting dust, from a footprint I think, to a sheet of plastic film -- using a car battery as a source of electrostatic potential. When he connected an alligator clip the dust jumped to the film. Musta been one seriously overcharged battery! |
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Have you seen commercials for pickup trucks lately? They'd have you believe
the vehicles only run through deep mud and water, and operate in skid. There's almost never a shot of a clean one going straight. Bob Swinney "Don Foreman" wrote in message ... CSI, with all of their technostuff, has also made some goofs. I recall Grissom attracting dust, from a footprint I think, to a sheet of plastic film -- using a car battery as a source of electrostatic potential. When he connected an alligator clip the dust jumped to the film. Musta been one seriously overcharged battery! |
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Robert Swinney wrote:
Have you seen commercials for pickup trucks lately? They'd have you believe the vehicles only run through deep mud and water, and operate in skid. There's almost never a shot of a clean one going straight. That's because a clean pickup, going straight on a dry day on the freeway with one passenger is just a gas guzzler. A pickup sliding sideways in the dust is an Expression of Manliness. This is why ads for pickups and SUV's feature the mud and rocks instead of clips of gas tanks with whirlpools or the underside of the upside-down vehicle with the wheels still spinning and sirens in the distance. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Don Foreman wrote: CSI, with all of their technostuff, has also made some goofs. Some? A typical episode is chock full of rediculous stuff. I recall Grissom attracting dust, from a footprint I think, to a sheet of plastic film -- using a car battery as a source of electrostatic potential. When he connected an alligator clip the dust jumped to the film. Musta been one seriously overcharged battery! In the first episode I watched a construction worker fell "with a terminal velocity of 32 feet per second squared" and it turned out he had been electrocuted but there were no burns on his body because he had been taking iron suppliments. -- FF |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:24:38 -0500, F George McDuffee wrote:
So did the SAAB 99 and most of the earlier SAAB cars. For values of "earlier" which include only "later", yes. the 92/93/95/96/97 all have the handbrake actuate on the rear wheels. The 99s and 900s are on the front, not sure about the 9-3 and 9-5. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:28:31 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote: That's because a clean pickup, going straight on a dry day on the freeway with one passenger is just a gas guzzler. A pickup sliding sideways in the dust is an Expression of Manliness. This is why ads for pickups and SUV's feature the mud and rocks instead of clips of gas tanks with whirlpools or the underside of the upside-down vehicle with the wheels still spinning and sirens in the distance. LOL! On the other hand, I've never seen a Miata with a class III hitch.... |
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Ooopps! Did I overlook the macho angle? Sorry - guess I'll have to
conserve my admiration for the "real men" types that uncouple cars from moving trains (no slack) by lifting the coupler pin. Bob Swinney "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... Robert Swinney wrote: Have you seen commercials for pickup trucks lately? They'd have you believe the vehicles only run through deep mud and water, and operate in skid. There's almost never a shot of a clean one going straight. That's because a clean pickup, going straight on a dry day on the freeway with one passenger is just a gas guzzler. A pickup sliding sideways in the dust is an Expression of Manliness. This is why ads for pickups and SUV's feature the mud and rocks instead of clips of gas tanks with whirlpools or the underside of the upside-down vehicle with the wheels still spinning and sirens in the distance. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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wrote: Hi all, This isn't on topic, but I felt the need to vent and I figured this NG might understand. Last night I saw a commercial for a tire store or manufacturer that featured a woman parking a Jeep on a steep hill, pulling the parking brake and getting out. The Jeep then slid down the hill with the front wheels locked supposedly illustrating the point that the woman's car needed tires. This bugged me because the parking brake doesn't work on the front wheels... Probably not on that model but I had a Subaru on which the parking brake operated on the front disc brakes. Did she also leave it in gear and in 4WD? Wouldn't that lock the front wheels too? She probably didn't know it had 4WD :-). Chris |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy wrote:
Anyway, one of the guys says "Her mix is all to cock! That's too much acetylene." Then you see the TV they're watching, and it's actually stick welding. Well, if she's stick welding, any acetylene would be "too much", wouldn't it now. |
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I know that some cars had parking brakes that worked on the rear
wheels. They are uncommon and the Jeep isn't one of them. I thought about the 4WD thing, but the car was on pavement and even if it were in 4WD, the wheels wouldn't not roll. Obviously, the commercial wasn't meant to be taken literally - it just got me thinking. Peter |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Tidy wrote: Anyway, one of the guys says "Her mix is all to cock! That's too much acetylene." Then you see the TV they're watching, and it's actually stick welding. Well, if she's stick welding, any acetylene would be "too much", wouldn't it now. A better description might have been to say she was making a load of sparks with a stick welding set :-). Chris |
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I can't count the number of times I've seen a commercial, show,
or movie where a vehicle is speeding around a corner and the tires are squealing like crazy .... on a dirt road. Oscar wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, This isn't on topic, but I felt the need to vent and I figured this NG might understand. Last night I saw a commercial for a tire store or manufacturer that featured a woman parking a Jeep on a steep hill, pulling the parking brake and getting out. The Jeep then slid down the hill with the front wheels locked supposedly illustrating the point that the woman's car needed tires. This bugged me because the parking brake doesn't work on the front wheels... Recently there was commercial that had a guy on a chopper sitting at a light revving his engine. The sound of a largely unmuffled Harley motor permeates the air. The chopper however, has an old Honda SOHC 750 motor. My favorite was a guy in a fragrance commercial standing at the back of a bathtub Porsche with the rear cowl up and... wait for it... steam coming out. I suppose I shoould be impressed that he had the cowl on the right end of the car open. There are many more I've noticed over the years. One would think that ad agencies would employ technically aware to prevent stupid stuff like this. I guess the reality is that most folks don't notice. Rant off, Peter |
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On 13 Sep 2005 09:09:29 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
quickly quoth: There are many more I've noticed over the years. One would think that ad agencies would employ technically aware to prevent stupid stuff like this. I guess the reality is that most folks don't notice. Sadly true. I'll never forget the self-adjusting channel-lock type wrench Searz was selling. The guy in the commercial put it on the severely damaged bicycle front-axle nut -backwards- and turned while it stripped the nut even worse. All the while, metal shavings were falling during this camera closeup. TYPICAL Searz crap. I really should have saved a copy of that commercial on tape. ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications |
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On 13 Sep 2005 14:22:15 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
quickly quoth: I know that some cars had parking brakes that worked on the rear wheels. They are uncommon and the Jeep isn't one of them. I thought about the 4WD thing, but the car was on pavement and even if it were in 4WD, the wheels wouldn't not roll. Obviously, the commercial wasn't meant to be taken literally - it just got me thinking. The only way that could happen (front wheels locked but rear rolling with the emer brake on) is if she had a line-lock on the fronts and the rear was WaaaaaaayTF out of adjustment. http://www.hotrod.com/howto/49619/ ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications |
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The Mission Impossible episode in which the techninerd finally managed
to diagnose a burnt out Selenium rectifier in a TV monitor. Somewhat challenged in the olfactory department? /mark Jeff Wisnia wrote: wrote: Hi all, This isn't on topic, but I felt the need to vent and I figured this NG might understand. Last night I saw a commercial for a tire store or manufacturer that featured a woman parking a Jeep on a steep hill, pulling the parking brake and getting out. The Jeep then slid down the hill with the front wheels locked supposedly illustrating the point that the woman's car needed tires. This bugged me because the parking brake doesn't work on the front wheels... Recently there was commercial that had a guy on a chopper sitting at a light revving his engine. The sound of a largely unmuffled Harley motor permeates the air. The chopper however, has an old Honda SOHC 750 motor. My favorite was a guy in a fragrance commercial standing at the back of a bathtub Porsche with the rear cowl up and... wait for it... steam coming out. I suppose I shoould be impressed that he had the cowl on the right end of the car open. There are many more I've noticed over the years. One would think that ad agencies would employ technically aware to prevent stupid stuff like this. I guess the reality is that most folks don't notice. Rant off, Peter Didja ever think that maybe they do that deliberately just to catch your attention, Peter? Naw, they couldn't be that smart....Or could they? Your post is very reminicent of my going to the movies with a bunch of my MIT classmates back in the 50s and hearing loud guffaws and derisive comments every time there was a techno impossibility on screen, particularly if it was a sci-fi movie. The years take their toll on my memory, and the only one I can recall laughing at now was a scene from a horror movie, inside some ancient castle with the wall torches casting shadows of their own flames on the walls behind them because of the Kleig lights used to illuminate the scene. Jeff |
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wrote in message ups.com... I know that some cars had parking brakes that worked on the rear wheels. They are uncommon and the Jeep isn't one of them. I thought about the 4WD thing, but the car was on pavement and even if it were in 4WD, the wheels wouldn't not roll. Obviously, the commercial wasn't meant to be taken literally - it just got me thinking. Peter Have to ask if it was a Jeep Jeep or one of the other flavors? The Grand Cherokee (I have one), is full time 4wd. Although computer controlled, I wonder if putting it in park locked the front wheels as well? A true 4wd it is too, and it really goes well in the snow. Better than the Dodge 2500 that I have. Might have to try it when the tires bet bald.  -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... Have to ask if it was a Jeep Jeep or one of the other flavors? The Grand Cherokee (I have one), is full time 4wd. Although computer controlled, I wonder if putting it in park locked the front wheels as well? A true 4wd it is too, and it really goes well in the snow. Better than the Dodge 2500 that I have. Might have to try it when the tires bet bald. It was a Grand Cherokee but the wheels still wouldn't lock with the parking brake on. Too many viscous couplings and such. I suppose if a 4WD vehicle had a locked diff front and rear, and had a locked transfer case, the fronts would lock with the parking brake on. Peter |
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"Peter Grey" wrote in message .net... "Chris" wrote in message ... Have to ask if it was a Jeep Jeep or one of the other flavors? The Grand Cherokee (I have one), is full time 4wd. Although computer controlled, I wonder if putting it in park locked the front wheels as well? A true 4wd it is too, and it really goes well in the snow. Better than the Dodge 2500 that I have. Might have to try it when the tires bet bald. It was a Grand Cherokee but the wheels still wouldn't lock with the parking brake on. Too many viscous couplings and such. I suppose if a 4WD vehicle had a locked diff front and rear, and had a locked transfer case, the fronts would lock with the parking brake on. Peter \ Ok got that much. I am not bashing your claim as I agree 100% with the your post. I am just starting to think that this particular vehicle might not be the norm. Just thinking out loud: I do know the Grand Cherokee cannot be towed by a normal tow truck even with the transfer in neutral. They have to flat bed it. Something about not being able to tow the thing with either axle off the ground. Of course you see plenty behind RVs being towed with all four wheels on the ground, which is ok. The Grand Cherokee does have more or less lockers in the front and rear. Are you saying that she left the thing in gear not in park? This would than lead me to question how they did the commercial. Did they perform some type of work to lock up all four tires, or did they select this vehicle, knowing that all four tires would drag? I am starting to think that maybe this might be possible with this vehicle and they just pulled the thing with a winch. As an owner it has sparked my curiosity. I do have some real loose gravel on a road on my property, and a winch. Might just give it a try. -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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I can't count the number of times I've seen a commercial, show,
or movie where a vehicle is speeding around a corner and the tires are squealing like crazy .... on a dirt road. Oscar Not to counter your thinking, but I used to believe that this wasn't possible either UNTIL.... I'm out in the woods with my pickup truck (4WD), and chained onto a pretty good sized log. Going to pull it out onto the "path" to cut it up for firewood. Didn't think I was going to need the 4WD so proceeded. Dusty clay path, chain tight, started pulling - back wheels started spinning - and then HOWLING. I couldn't believe my ears, but YES, you can squeal tires on dirt... Ken. |
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wrote: Hi all, This isn't on topic, but I felt the need to vent and I figured this NG might understand. Last night I saw a commercial for a tire store or manufacturer that featured a woman parking a Jeep on a steep hill, pulling the parking brake and getting out. The Jeep then slid down the hill with the front wheels locked supposedly illustrating the point that the woman's car needed tires. This bugged me because the parking brake doesn't work on the front wheels... Probably not on that model but I had a Subaru on which the parking brake operated on the front disc brakes. Did she also leave it in gear and in 4WD? Wouldn't that lock the front wheels too? If (great big IF) I remember right my Saab 850 GT also had emergency (parking) brake on the front discs. ...lew... |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:34:17 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On 13 Sep 2005 09:09:29 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, quickly quoth: There are many more I've noticed over the years. One would think that ad agencies would employ technically aware to prevent stupid stuff like this. I guess the reality is that most folks don't notice. Sadly true. I'll never forget the self-adjusting channel-lock type wrench Searz was selling. The guy in the commercial put it on the severely damaged bicycle front-axle nut -backwards- and turned while it stripped the nut even worse. All the while, metal shavings were falling during this camera closeup. TYPICAL Searz crap. I really should have saved a copy of that commercial on tape. ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications My current favorite is the "Swiffer Duster" add showing the crime scene investigator who is astonished at the dusting efficiency of the advertized article. much to his supervisors chagrin. The background radio noise "This is Toronto International Airport information Delta" - the Automated Terminal Information Service (ATIS) loop tape broadcast giving pilots local information. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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I know this commercial. I hadn't noticed the contect of the radio
broadcast. I'll listen next time. Peter "Gerald Miller" wrote in message ... My current favorite is the "Swiffer Duster" add showing the crime scene investigator who is astonished at the dusting efficiency of the advertized article. much to his supervisors chagrin. The background radio noise "This is Toronto International Airport information Delta" - the Automated Terminal Information Service (ATIS) loop tape broadcast giving pilots local information. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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"Christopher Tidy" wrote...
[ snip ] Have folks here seen the film "The Full Monty"? It's a great film, but it contains one classic of this kind. A few unemployed steelworkers are watching a semi-porn movie in which a woman is trying to weld (don't ask, I never did get what the video was about). Anyway, one of the guys says "Her mix is all to cock! That's too much acetylene." Then you see the TV they're watching, and it's actually stick welding. "Airplane" -- What does a jet airliner sound like from outside? Not like a Super Connie, I'm sure.... -jc- |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... Ok got that much. I am not bashing your claim as I agree 100% with the your post. I am just starting to think that this particular vehicle might not be the norm. That's OK. I'm not taking this personally. This has interested me enough to check out the Jeep's specs a little bit. Just thinking out loud: I do know the Grand Cherokee cannot be towed by a normal tow truck even with the transfer in neutral. They have to flat bed it. Something about not being able to tow the thing with either axle off the ground. Of course you see plenty behind RVs being towed with all four wheels on the ground, which is ok. The new Jeeps have a neutral position on the transfer case that allows one to tow the thing. This leads me to think that the issue is uncontrolled heating of the fluid and /or clutch packs in the transfer case. The Grand Cherokee does have more or less lockers in the front and rear. Both the transfer case and the diffs on the new GC are electronically controlled (hydraulically controlled on the older cars) clutch packs that can range from open to fully locked. I'd be surprised if they become fully locked with the ignition off (in fact that would make it hard to tow with the engine not running). I believe they may lock when the computer tells them to lock, but I bet in a "resting state" they're pretty much open. If the transfer case and the front diff doesn't lock when one turns the car off, then the scenario shown in the commercial wouldn't work. Are you saying that she left the thing in gear not in park? No. I bet that if you jack up the front of your car with the parking brake on and the car in "park" that you'll be able to spin a front wheel with your hands. Try it and let me know what happens. This would than lead me to question how they did the commercial. Did they perform some type of work to lock up all four tires, or did they select this vehicle, knowing that all four tires would drag? I am starting to think that maybe this might be possible with this vehicle and they just pulled the thing with a winch. I'm thinking they had someone sitting in the car pressing the brake pedal while it was being pulled. Or they locked the brakes somehow. Or I could be completely wrong and I'm making a fool of myself. I'm SURE about the chopper and Porsche thing, though...  Peter |
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"Airplane" -- What does a jet airliner sound like from outside?
Not like a Super Connie, I'm sure.... That was the result of a power struggle between director and producer (or something like that). The original screenplay was a period piece set in the '40s, just after WWII which is where the Robert Hays character got shell shocked into his "drinking problem", but the producer wanted it set in current times with a jetliner, so the compromise was jet with prop soundtrack whenever they showed the outside of the plane :-). -- Regards, Carl Ijames carl.ijames at verizon.net |
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"Peter Grey" wrote in message ink.net... "Chris" wrote in message ... Ok got that much. I am not bashing your claim as I agree 100% with the your post. I am just starting to think that this particular vehicle might not be the norm. That's OK. I'm not taking this personally. This has interested me enough to check out the Jeep's specs a little bit. Just thinking out loud: I do know the Grand Cherokee cannot be towed by a normal tow truck even with the transfer in neutral. They have to flat bed it. Something about not being able to tow the thing with either axle off the ground. Of course you see plenty behind RVs being towed with all four wheels on the ground, which is ok. The new Jeeps have a neutral position on the transfer case that allows one to tow the thing. This leads me to think that the issue is uncontrolled heating of the fluid and /or clutch packs in the transfer case. The Grand Cherokee does have more or less lockers in the front and rear. Both the transfer case and the diffs on the new GC are electronically controlled (hydraulically controlled on the older cars) clutch packs that can range from open to fully locked. I'd be surprised if they become fully locked with the ignition off (in fact that would make it hard to tow with the engine not running). I believe they may lock when the computer tells them to lock, but I bet in a "resting state" they're pretty much open. If the transfer case and the front diff doesn't lock when one turns the car off, then the scenario shown in the commercial wouldn't work. Are you saying that she left the thing in gear not in park? No. I bet that if you jack up the front of your car with the parking brake on and the car in "park" that you'll be able to spin a front wheel with your hands. Try it and let me know what happens. This would than lead me to question how they did the commercial. Did they perform some type of work to lock up all four tires, or did they select this vehicle, knowing that all four tires would drag? I am starting to think that maybe this might be possible with this vehicle and they just pulled the thing with a winch. I'm thinking they had someone sitting in the car pressing the brake pedal while it was being pulled. Or they locked the brakes somehow. Or I could be completely wrong and I'm making a fool of myself. I'm SURE about the chopper and Porsche thing, though... Peter Peter, Not making a fool at all. I just think that the Jeep in this case could be a little odd. Than again we could all be wrong. I do have the newer Jeep that I think you are referring to, a 2000 model. It does have the N on the transfer case, but they still will not tow it. I do remember something being mentioned about the way the "lockers" work when the vehicle is not running. Either way I am curious and have enough machines here to drag the Jeep around and see what happens. I will report back the findings, and hopefully you will look better with the results. Chris |
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