Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.


Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.

The use of private pharmacies has been going on here a week or two.
The problem is the available shots sell out in seconds.
All of the majors are ready to go as soon as they can come up with the
juice

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody. That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
and it was their job to successfully manage it. The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it. It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more. Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 4:12:25 PM UTC-6, micky wrote:
Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.
There are two vaccination days scheduled for my area in Nebraska. The first one is for people who turn 89 and over this year. The second one is for people who are 84 this year. One either has to be a resident of my county or already receive medical care here.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody. That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
and it was their job to successfully manage it. The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it. It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more. Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.

They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 8:51:38 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 4:12:25 PM UTC-6, micky wrote:
Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine..

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.
There are two vaccination days scheduled for my area in Nebraska. The first one is for people who turn 89 and over this year. The second one is for people who are 84 this year. One either has to be a resident of my county or already receive medical care here.

You are apparently in one of the few competent places.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:58:55 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody. That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
and it was their job to successfully manage it. The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it. It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more. Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.
They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

Which is why it was dumb to open it to everyone over 65 all at once.

Here in NJ, there is also a state website to register. But it's mired in confusion.
Starting with that they tell you an alternate route is to sign up at any of the
200+ places giving the vaccine. And they have never said what the state
database directs to. The state has 6 mega sites, I would expect that it directs
you to at least those, probably only those, but no one knows. Further confusing
it is that on the list of 200+ places, the six mega sites are listed first. Each place
has a link for it. For the state mega sites, only one has the state registration
website as the link. All the others take you to a hospital, etc that is running that
particular state site. Go there and they are taking reservations too, though
sporadically. So, its not clear what list these mega sites pull from, whether
you should try to register everywhere. Totally unnecessary mass confusion
and tremendous waste of people's time.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the
vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the
date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they
update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody. That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
and it was their job to successfully manage it. The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it. It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more. Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.

They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

Its stupid to be vaccinating all the over 65s with so little vaccine right
now.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do.

You said before that it was always at the discretion of the states,
which means they coudl have lowered it to 65 no matter what the feds
suggested.

. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody.

That's an unwarranted stretch. And no state or the CDC has a rule
that admits people who are "just...overweight". The standard is obese,
which is defined. For example, "A BMI of 25 to 29.9 is considered
overweight. A BMI of 30 and above is considered obese." And which can
very often be determined just by looking at someone.

That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are

Yes, it's pretty impressive how unprepared they have been in many or
most states. Trump would see here only the word "impressive" and think
it was a success.

It also seems that in some rather prepared states, one is supposed to
sign up with the county, with a drugstore or 2 or 3, with your doctor's
medical practice, and with your insurance company, and wait to see who
calls or emails you first, an inconvenience to you, while to some extent
or other using up the resources of all the ones that don't contact you
first. For one thing, after people are called and they get their shot
and an appointment for the second one, most people won't, even if there
is a procedure and there might not be, bother to take their names off
the lists at the other places they've signed up. If things were done
just right, they'd get their names removed there, but I doubt that will
happen, and they will be scheduled in to the detriment of others who
could have been scheduled.

Scheduling means an email is sent asking the person to pick a day and
time, and when he doesn't reply, aftr enough time has passed, that could
enable them (the computer) to write someone else, but at the very least
that means the other person gets 2 days' less notice. The possible
problems are endless and I don't know how it's set up but it couldn't be
efficicient or fair to have aggressive people signing up for 2 or more
sources, and normal or passive people just signing up for one.

This all refers to where it's working "well".

crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Terrible. Someone here praised Florida recently but that was the case
at least one place, probably more when Florida started.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow

Yes, but they were told how much they were going to get, the offered
appointments based on that

and it was their job to successfully manage it.

Manage it, not less than it.

The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it.

Now you're calling it a suggestion again, but at the top, you said it
was a mistake to leave it to the discretion of the states. And earlier
you said it was always at the discretion of the states. Anyhow, the
feds did suggest starting with old people and working the way down. They
just went down faster than was possible, but acc. to you the states
didn't have to do what was suggested.

It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more.

ROTFLOL.

Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.

In the past you would have blamed the right person, trump who either
doesn't care or actually rejoices in how many people he can kill without
going to jail, and the slugs he chose to run things, but since he's
gone, even though his mess remains, you've turned your sights on
liberals again.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:51:34 -0800 (PST), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 4:12:25 PM UTC-6, micky wrote:
Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

There are two vaccination days scheduled for my area in Nebraska. The first one is for people who turn 89 and over this year. The second one is for people who are 84 this year. One either has to be a resident of my county or already receive medical care here.

Sounds old, but fair.

And related to another thread here, if they can show they are getting
medical care in your county, a jurisdiction that gives elevated priortiy
to those with certain medical conditions could let those people show it
in the same way people in your county show they have been getting
medical care there.

I hope they can schedule more days soon, for you and me both.

On 1/30/2021 2:09 PM, micky wrote:

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do.

You said before that it was always at the discretion of the states,
which means they coudl have lowered it to 65 no matter what the feds
suggested.

. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody.

It also seems that in some rather prepared states, one is supposed to
sign up with the county, with a drugstore or 2 or 3, with your doctor's
medical practice, and with your insurance company, and wait to see who
calls or emails you first, an inconvenience to you, while to some extent
or other using up the resources of all the ones that don't contact you
first.
Scheduling means an email is sent asking the person to pick a day and
time, and when he doesn't reply, aftr enough time has passed, that could
enable them (the computer) to write someone else, but at the very least
that means the other person gets 2 days' less notice. The possible
problems are endless

Yes, the problems are endless. How do you email the elderly that have
no computer, no email, no smart phone? So, your ideal us useless to
many thousands of the most vulnerable. While computer sign up is good,
it must also have phone sign up ability too.

Where do you do the shots? Many are being done at parks and parking
lots. When I go, it is about 12 miles. No problem, but what about the
low income elderly park where many do not own a car?

The problems are endless and no matter the solution, the people left out
will bitch about it. The number one problem still is the lack of vaccine.

Lack of planning seems to be the next biggest culprit in getting a list
together.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:05:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 1/30/2021 2:09 PM, micky wrote:

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do.

You said before that it was always at the discretion of the states,
which means they coudl have lowered it to 65 no matter what the feds
suggested.

. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody.

It also seems that in some rather prepared states, one is supposed to
sign up with the county, with a drugstore or 2 or 3, with your doctor's
medical practice, and with your insurance company, and wait to see who
calls or emails you first, an inconvenience to you, while to some extent
or other using up the resources of all the ones that don't contact you
first.
Scheduling means an email is sent asking the person to pick a day and
time, and when he doesn't reply, aftr enough time has passed, that could
enable them (the computer) to write someone else, but at the very least
that means the other person gets 2 days' less notice. The possible
problems are endless

Yes, the problems are endless. How do you email the elderly that have
no computer, no email, no smart phone? So, your ideal us useless to
many thousands of the most vulnerable. While computer sign up is good,
it must also have phone sign up ability too.

Where do you do the shots? Many are being done at parks and parking
lots. When I go, it is about 12 miles. No problem, but what about the
low income elderly park where many do not own a car?

The problems are endless and no matter the solution, the people left out
will bitch about it. The number one problem still is the lack of vaccine.

Lack of planning seems to be the next biggest culprit in getting a list
together.

Yep, to all of that.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:06:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:51:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:58:55 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody. That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.

Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
and it was their job to successfully manage it. The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it. It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more. Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.
They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

Which is why it was dumb to open it to everyone over 65 all at once.

That was just the window for the open appointments. There are separate
programs for nursing homes and other groups. The VA seems to have the
best deal but you have to be in their medical system. I always had
good insurance so I never signed up.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:05:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Yes, the problems are endless. How do you email the elderly that have
no computer, no email, no smart phone?

Call them on their land line or have their kids as the contact. That
is what I did with my FIL for the latest deal.

On 1/30/2021 10:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:05:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Yes, the problems are endless. How do you email the elderly that have
no computer, no email, no smart phone?

Call them on their land line or have their kids as the contact. That
is what I did with my FIL for the latest deal.


That may work for some but not all. Not everyone has kids for starters.
Others do but they could have jobs with no access to email or texts.

On 1/30/2021 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:06:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:12:25 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D

Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

Where are those drive thru testing sites that Walgreens, CVS, Walmart, etc
that Trump said were about to open last March? Anyone see the national
database that Trump swore Google had 2500 engineers working on that
was going to direct people to test sites? Meanwhile what should have been
created was a national, uniform website for people to register for the vaccine.
Trump had 9 months, did nothing, just punted it.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:10:02 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:20:53 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 29 Jan 2021 17:12:17 -0500, micky
wrote:

Here is a list including every state of Who is eligible for the vaccine.

It's dated Version 26: January 27, 2021, and doesn't indicate who was
eligible last week or next week, but it's probably accurate wrt the date
issued. (26 versions in only 2 or 3 months. I think the version
changes even when only one state changes who's eligible, and they update
it more than once a week.)


https://www.walgreens.com/images/ada...3%2C513%2C0%5D
And if you search on the word years you see that some states say
over 65, some 75, some 70 and North Dakota for example only says
Long-term care facility residents and staff
First responders
Health workers in direct contact with COVID-19

Either ND has not updated Walgreens, or some central source that
Walgreens uses, or they are behind some other states. Who knows!

I could look on a ND site and find out, but no time now.
Walgreens say "The COVID-19 vaccine is on the way.
As pharmacy experts, this is what we train for. We're ready to deliver
vaccinations safely in accordance with state-specific eligibility
requirements."

And I'm sure they are since they gave me a flu shot. I had to ask her
her name though, it wasn't on her jacket. Of course i want to know her
name.

But this is the same message for the whole country,
and maybe Canada ;-) .

It doesn't say when they'll start, and I doubt they know when they will
start. They're 4 blocks away so it would be very convenient. They're
usually quiet but if they make it first come, first served, they won't
be. Maryland knows how to make appointments, but will drugstores?
Maybe.


And btw, Illinois is the only state that lists prisoners as being
eligible. Eventually that will change, at last at the very end.
Someone who really cares can use Find at the link above.

The huge mistakes here were the feds lowering the age to 65 and leaving
it at the discretion of the states as to what to do.
You said before that it was always at the discretion of the states,
which means they coudl have lowered it to 65 no matter what the feds
suggested.

It was Trump that left it to the states, he did not have to. And AFAIK,
no state went to 65 until the CDC changed the guidelines, in other words
they were following them.



. Most governors, eg
Cuomo, Murphy, DeSantis were stupid and just lowered it right to 65,
plus they included people under 65 that had pre-existing conditions like
high blood pressure, smoking, obesity, or just being overweight. In other
words they pretty much opened it up to everybody.
That's an unwarranted stretch. And no state or the CDC has a rule
that admits people who are "just...overweight". The standard is obese,
which is defined. For example, "A BMI of 25 to 29.9 is considered
overweight. A BMI of 30 and above is considered obese." And which can
very often be determined just by looking at someone.
That
lead to a totally predictable cluster f***, compounded by the fact that
despite having 9 months to get systems in place, few locations were
prepared with websites, phone banks, etc. The predictable results are
Yes, it's pretty impressive how unprepared they have been in many or
most states. Trump would see here only the word "impressive" and think
it was a success.

It also seems that in some rather prepared states, one is supposed to
sign up with the county, with a drugstore or 2 or 3, with your doctor's
medical practice, and with your insurance company, and wait to see who
calls or emails you first, an inconvenience to you, while to some extent
or other using up the resources of all the ones that don't contact you
first. For one thing, after people are called and they get their shot
and an appointment for the second one, most people won't, even if there
is a procedure and there might not be, bother to take their names off
the lists at the other places they've signed up. If things were done
just right, they'd get their names removed there, but I doubt that will
happen, and they will be scheduled in to the detriment of others who
could have been scheduled.

I had thought about that too, that there could be a big problem coming soon
as they start to choose people who have already been vaccinated. If they
just scheduled them for Monday, then you could have empty spots because
no one shows up. But they aren't doing it that way anywhere that I've heard.
The limited view I've had here in NJ, looks like they notify way more people
then there are actual spots available. A friend of mine got notified at 8PM
by email that he could make an appointment for any of the next three days.
It was about an hour and 15 mins
later when he went online. After entering his code and trying to get the
appointment it told him, no more appointments, see you later.





Scheduling means an email is sent asking the person to pick a day and
time, and when he doesn't reply, aftr enough time has passed, that could
enable them (the computer) to write someone else, but at the very least
that means the other person gets 2 days' less notice. The possible
problems are endless and I don't know how it's set up but it couldn't be
efficicient or fair to have aggressive people signing up for 2 or more
sources, and normal or passive people just signing up for one.

Yes, that's the potential problem that I saw too. But when you actually do it
via the process in use here, it can't happen. This is a simple queuing theory
problem and there are plenty of experts and solutions available. Unfortunately
the stupid govts just rolled their own. Registration should have started in an
orderly fashion back in early fall. And people should have been told that a
random pull system, based only on age and conditions would be used, ie
there is no advantage to be trying to be the first to call or log in.



This all refers to where it's working "well".
crashed websites, phone banks that have people on hold for 4 hours,
then disconnect, old people in long lines at 3AM.
Terrible. Someone here praised Florida recently but that was the case
at least one place, probably more when Florida started.
Now the morons like Cuomo and deBlasio are whining, that there isn't
enough vaccine. Yet everyone knew that the ramp up would be slow
Yes, but they were told how much they were going to get, the offered
appointments based on that
and it was their job to successfully manage it.
Manage it, not less than it.
The ramp up has been
about what was forecast two months ago. What they should have
done was slowly work their way down in age and the feds should have
suggested it.
Now you're calling it a suggestion again, but at the top, you said it
was a mistake to leave it to the discretion of the states.

What I'm saying is the feds either could have made the rules fixed or
if not, then when they went to 65 they should have strongly suggested to
the states that they only move to people that are 65 in situations where
there is excess vaccine and they can't find other, more urgent people.
I think they just botched this. At the time there were reports that only
10% of the vaccine was being given and I think the feds reacted to that,
trying to give the states flexibility. But they should have then made it
clear that moving to 65 is only if it's really necessary, that it's OK temporarily
so that vaccine does not got to waste, etc.





And earlier
you said it was always at the discretion of the states. Anyhow, the
feds did suggest starting with old people and working the way down. They
just went down faster than was possible, but acc. to you the states
didn't have to do what was suggested.
It just shows the incompetence of govt, yet the libs want
the govt to do more.
ROTFLOL.
Next they are going to create a new, wonderful
green energy economy, while killing off the existing one and it's jobs,
eg XL pipeline.
In the past you would have blamed the right person, trump who either
doesn't care or actually rejoices in how many people he can kill without
going to jail, and the slugs he chose to run things, but since he's
gone, even though his mess remains, you've turned your sights on
liberals again.

That's not true. I've always been against big govt, because it's obvious how
incompetent, inefficient, much of govt is. This is a classic example. Nine
months to put a scheduling system and the resources in place and they
basically did almost nothing until the vaccine was about to ship.

On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.
It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton

We had about a foot of snow in my area of Nebraska. The TV people all had
to stand outside during the storm. Then they were out and about bugging the snow
removal crews after it was over.
School kids here got a real snow day. I haven't noticed any snowmen yet.

On 31/01/2021 16:12, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton

Here in the south of England we had snow for the first time in years
last week, all of about 3cm. -1C today.

On 01/31/2021 08:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

Shovel a little snow and go ice fishing.... Arizona offers the same
warm winters, has mountains, and fewer insects.

I lived in Flatland for over a year on a contract in Ft. Wayne. That was
enough. I'd go down to Brown County for some relief.

On 01/31/2021 09:12 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Other than work, I don't have A/C. I sit under the crab apple and watch
the hummingbirds.


Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Yeah, I see a lot of grass and it's supposed to be in the 40's this
week. I don't mind using my snow shovel for a lawn ornament but the
snowpack is below normal. Winter isn't over yet thought.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:21:59 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again:


Yeah, I see a lot of grass and it's supposed to be in the 40's this
week. I don't mind using my snow shovel for a lawn ornament but the
snowpack is below normal. Winter isn't over yet thought.

More useless idiotic senile gossip! Simple unbelievable!

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:13:55 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:



Shovel a little snow and go ice fishing.... Arizona offers the same
warm winters, has mountains, and fewer insects.

I lived in Flatland for over a year on a contract in Ft. Wayne. That was
enough. I'd go down to Brown County for some relief.

Just to what kind of ng could you **** off where this kind of off topic
senile bull**** would fit in, eh, endlessly blathering lowbrowwoman?

On 1/31/2021 7:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs.Â* Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees.Â* Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

I've survived the last last 40 years without needing much A\C, although
a couple of my vehicles had it, but it was rarely used.

On 1/31/2021 10:21 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 01/31/2021 09:12 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Other than work, I don't have A/C. I sit under the crab apple and watch
the hummingbirds.

I watch the hummingbirds year round.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:14:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/30/2021 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:06:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

We thank you for that.
Tell your friends, tell your neighbors.
It sucks down here.
It is hot.
We have snakes, alligators, hurricanes and roaches the size of your
thumb.
This is not a place for girly men.
Sip your latte and look out the window at the rain.

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:56:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

If you were in Baltimore or DC in July and August you would be sitting
in the AC too. It gets **** hot in DC if you are inside the beltway.
(100 or more on a hot day)

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:21:59 -0700, rbowman
wrote:

On 01/31/2021 09:12 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Other than work, I don't have A/C. I sit under the crab apple and watch
the hummingbirds.


Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Yeah, I see a lot of grass and it's supposed to be in the 40's this
week. I don't mind using my snow shovel for a lawn ornament but the
snowpack is below normal. Winter isn't over yet thought.

Where you are altitude is the deciding factor. There are places up in
the mountains where the snow never melts.
If I hit the lotto, I would have a house in Montana and one here.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:27:05 -0800 (PST), Dean
Hoffman wrote:

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.
It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton

We had about a foot of snow in my area of Nebraska. The TV people all had
to stand outside during the storm. Then they were out and about bugging the snow
removal crews after it was over.
School kids here got a real snow day. I haven't noticed any snowmen yet.

The snowmen had a rally in Omaha, and then they all went to the Capital,
surrounded it, and froze all the nigh****chmen to death.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 31 Jan 2021 14:12:05 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 1/31/2021 7:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs.* Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees.* Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

I've survived the last last 40 years without needing much A\C, although
a couple of my vehicles had it, but it was rarely used.

In the car I never used the AC until it was over 90 (although in the
last couple years I've been decadent).

At home my AC has been broken for years, but even without the fan below,
there are only 6 to 8 days a summer when I really want it. I have a
laundry chute in the 2nd floor hall and I found a fan that fits the
opening, and I run it to blow cool air from the basement to the second
floor. Not sure but I think it lowers the temp 2-3 degrees, which is
often the margine between bad and good. .

On 1/31/2021 7:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:14:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/30/2021 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:06:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

We thank you for that.
Tell your friends, tell your neighbors.
It sucks down here.
It is hot.
We have snakes, alligators, hurricanes and roaches the size of your
thumb.
This is not a place for girly men.
Sip your latte and look out the window at the rain.


That rain means gobs of snow just an hour away. Wahooo!

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 20:59:12 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/31/2021 7:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:14:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/30/2021 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 14:06:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 09:58:23 -0500,
wrote:


They now have the waiting list lottery. You sign up and wait for the
call. There was no "short window" thing and the site worked just fine.
It is still a problem of supply and demand.
Florida had a huge problem that we have a disproportional number of
snowbirds at this time of year and most are over 65.

FWIW, my mother didn't want to move to Florida when she got old. She'd
been there and thought it was too hot! That AC exists didn't change
that for her. Some old people can't take the cold in the North, but I
dont' remember ever hearing my mother complain about that in Allentown,
Pa. or Baltimore (which is I think warmer than Allentown) nor when she
was younger in even colder places.

When I was little, it would snow in November or December and the snow
would stay on the ground until March. We woldn't see the grass for those
months. Talking to the parents of my friend, who were still there 50
years later, I learned it's not that cold there anymore.

It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

We thank you for that.
Tell your friends, tell your neighbors.
It sucks down here.
It is hot.
We have snakes, alligators, hurricanes and roaches the size of your
thumb.
This is not a place for girly men.
Sip your latte and look out the window at the rain.


That rain means gobs of snow just an hour away. Wahooo!

Snow is OK for a ski trip but I don't want to live with it. I like my
boat too much.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.
It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton
We had about a foot of snow in my area of Nebraska. The TV people all had
to stand outside during the storm. Then they were out and about bugging the snow
removal crews after it was over.

Same here, every time we get a couple inches. This morning the TV weatherman
was running a shovel across the plowed street, showing there was no snow there,
but wow, look over here on the side, it's a foot deep where the plow threw it.
I turned it off.

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 7:32:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.

Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my friend
in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot of snow.
Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.
It's worth mentioning that in Michigan in July and August I'm sitting in
AC, not outside.

Last night's snowfall underperformed. I can still see grass poking up
through it. We expect to see the sun in a couple of days. Woohoo!

Cindy Hamilton
We had about a foot of snow in my area of Nebraska. The TV people all had
to stand outside during the storm. Then they were out and about bugging the snow
removal crews after it was over.
Same here, every time we get a couple inches. This morning the TV weatherman
was running a shovel across the plowed street, showing there was no snow there,
but wow, look over here on the side, it's a foot deep where the plow threw it.
I turned it off.

Good grief! Is the target audience made up of children?

Cindy H amilton