On 1/31/2021 5:12 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 1/31/2021 7:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live. Flat
and hot - yuk.


Trade offs.Â* Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my
friend in MA where it was 13 degrees.Â* Now they are expecting a foot
of snow. Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

I've survived the last last 40 years without needing much A\C, although
a couple of my vehicles had it, but it was rarely used.

I'm not even sure if my car windows work. Aside from the occasional
burger pickup there is no reason to put them down. Most cars have
pretty good climate control. I see no reason to have the wind whipping
through and the highway noise.

On 02/01/2021 01:43 PM, Heywood wrote:
On 1/31/2021 5:12 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 1/31/2021 7:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/31/2021 12:14 AM, Bob F wrote:




Florida is among the states I have never had any desire to live.
Flat and hot - yuk.


Trade offs. Yesterday I had lunch out on the lanai and called my
friend in MA where it was 13 degrees. Now they are expecting a foot
of snow. Do you want to go fishing or shovel snow?

The trade off is July and August when I'm sitting in AC, not outside.

I've survived the last last 40 years without needing much A\C,
although a couple of my vehicles had it, but it was rarely used.

I'm not even sure if my car windows work. Aside from the occasional
burger pickup there is no reason to put them down. Most cars have
pretty good climate control. I see no reason to have the wind whipping
through and the highway noise.

Most of the summer I'm on one motorcycle or the other so noise and wind
are part of my life. However in the Toyota an open window sets up some
really unpleasant buffeting so I use the A/C at highway speeds. I blme
it on the sophisticated aerodynamic modeling that assumes smooth laminar
flow over a closed window. The F150 has the aerodynamics of a barn door
and doesn't have the problem with an open window. Just as well since it
doesn't have A/C.

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Most of the summer I'm on one motorcycle or the other so noise and wind
are part of my life.

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It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Because DC has politicians?

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It is hotter in downtown DC in the summer than downtown Ft Myers. We
seldom se much over 95, DC gets over 100 and far less fresh air or sea
breeze.


Because DC has politicians?

Lot of hot air coming out of the Capitol for sure.
I suspect it is actually the heat island effect tho.
The airport where the "official" temperature is taken is also on the
river in Virginia where there is some cooling effect of the water. At
18th and K where our office was, you don't get any of that.

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On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 1:12:24 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.
And others with even half a clue know that Medicare for all makes a lot more
sense.

What do you think Medicare is? We pay premiums for Medicare ($148.50/month
in 2021, more if you were a high-wage earner). This is on top of all the Medicare
taxes we've paid over the years (or on top of current workers' Medicare taxes if
you view it as a Ponzi scheme).

Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance, but it might qualify
as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".

If you have health issues, you might also pay more for supplemental insurance to
cover things Medicare doesn't cover.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/4/2021 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 1:12:24 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.
And others with even half a clue know that Medicare for all makes a lot more
sense.

What do you think Medicare is? We pay premiums for Medicare ($148.50/month
in 2021, more if you were a high-wage earner). This is on top of all the Medicare
taxes we've paid over the years (or on top of current workers' Medicare taxes if
you view it as a Ponzi scheme).

Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance, but it might qualify
as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".

If you have health issues, you might also pay more for supplemental insurance to
cover things Medicare doesn't cover.

Cindy Hamilton


We waste half of our medical money by not having a decent medical care
system like EVERY OTHER developed country. We pay twice what the rest of
the world pays, for inferior medical results. At the very least,
insurance companies alone eat up 20% of our medical dollars, and
hospitals probably add almost as much to process each patients bills
through to their own insurance company. It is time to replace our
wasteful medical system with one that works better.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote

Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?

A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.

We pay premiums for Medicare

Nope, you pay a tax for that.

($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years

But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.

(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).

It isnt.

Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".

It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.

If you have health issues, you might also pay more for supplemental
insurance to cover things Medicare doesn't cover.

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On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:11:34 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?
A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.
We pay premiums for Medicare
Nope, you pay a tax for that.
($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years
But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.

Why would it be any less true if we suddenly added nearly 300 million
to a system that already doesn't pay for itself?

(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).
It isnt.
Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".
It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.

No, it's not. Here's what that $148.50/month gets you:

Medicare Part A helps cover hospital expenses such as room, board and other inpatient services, limited stay in a skilled nursing facility, and helps cover hospice care and home-health care.2

Medicare Part B helps cover medical expenses, such as doctor's services, outpatient services and other medical supplies. It also helps cover some occupational and physical therapy services and some home-health care. It also covers some preventive services. Typically, the monthly premium you pay for Medicare Part B is deducted from your Social Security benefits.3

No prescription drug coverage. And it does not cover 100% of the things it _does_
cover. It "helps". It doesn't pay for all.

Take a look at what it covers for in-patient hospital stays:

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/inpatient-hospital-care

That $1408 deductible probably won't get a person through the first
day of a hospital visit. Good thing the next 59 days are paid for.

And as for regular doctor visits:

Medicare Part B covers 80 percent of the cost of doctor's visits for preventive care and medically necessary services.

Cindy Hamilton

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote

Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?
A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.
We pay premiums for Medicare
Nope, you pay a tax for that.
($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years
But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.

Why would it be any less true if we suddenly added nearly 300 million

Because you would be claiming all your non cosmetic medical costs
so would be claiming for your entire life, not just when elderly.

to a system that already doesn't pay for itself?

Because the money you or your employer
had been paying to some insurance company
would now be available to fund the medicare
system and half of it wouldnt be ****ed against
the wall on insurance company profits and paying
stupid paper shufflers in the insurance system.

(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).

It isnt.

Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".

It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.

No, it's not.

Yes it is.

Here's what that $148.50/month gets you:

Medicare Part A helps cover hospital expenses such
as room, board and other inpatient services, limited
stay in a skilled nursing facility, and helps cover
hospice care and home-health care.2

Medicare Part B helps cover medical expenses, such
as doctor's services, outpatient services and other
medical supplies. It also helps cover some occupational
and physical therapy services and some home-health
care. It also covers some preventive services. Typically,
the monthly premium you pay for Medicare Part B is
deducted from your Social Security benefits.3

All irrelevant to whether Medicare is an insurance system
or a govt single payer health care funding system.

Same with all your other stuff.

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On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 10:54:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 1:12:24 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message

Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.
And others with even half a clue know that Medicare for all makes a lot more
sense.

What do you think Medicare is? We pay premiums for Medicare ($148.50/month
in 2021, more if you were a high-wage earner). This is on top of all the Medicare
taxes we've paid over the years (or on top of current workers' Medicare taxes if
you view it as a Ponzi scheme).

Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance, but it might qualify
as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".

If you have health issues, you might also pay more for supplemental insurance to
cover things Medicare doesn't cover.

Cindy Hamilton

You are pretty much required to buy the Plan D drug plan and you also
need the gap coverage if you are not rich enough to self insure. If
you are that rich, you might skip insurance anyway but it is not
likely.
Even for Medicare people, by the time you pay Part B, Part D and the
almost all inclusive Plan F you are getting close to $500 a month if
you add vision and dental.

On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:25:40 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:11:34 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?
A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.
We pay premiums for Medicare
Nope, you pay a tax for that.
($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years
But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.

Why would it be any less true if we suddenly added nearly 300 million
to a system that already doesn't pay for itself?

(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).
It isnt.
Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".
It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.

No, it's not. Here's what that $148.50/month gets you:

Medicare Part A helps cover hospital expenses such as room, board and other inpatient services, limited stay in a skilled nursing facility, and helps cover hospice care and home-health care.2

Medicare Part B helps cover medical expenses, such as doctor's services, outpatient services and other medical supplies. It also helps cover some occupational and physical therapy services and some home-health care. It also covers some preventive services. Typically, the monthly premium you pay for Medicare Part B is deducted from
your Social Security benefits.3

No prescription drug coverage. And it does not cover 100% of the things it _does_
cover. It "helps". It doesn't pay for all.

Take a look at what it covers for in-patient hospital stays:

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/inpatient-hospital-care

That $1408 deductible probably won't get a person through the first
day of a hospital visit. Good thing the next 59 days are paid for.

And as for regular doctor visits:

Medicare Part B covers 80 percent of the cost of doctor's visits for preventive care and medically necessary services.

Cindy Hamilton

OK plan B $148.50
You can plug those holes with Plan F that is about $200 a month in
Florida for a 65 year old female but that plan is either gone or going
soon. The next best is Plan G, about the same cost but it doesn't
cover the Plan A deductibles. Plan D (drugs) is required (buy in right
away or pretty much lose it forever because of the penalty) and it is
$100-150 depending on what co pays you can tolerate. You may still
want dental and vision. That is more.
Your "free" Medicare is suddenly $500 a month.

On 2/4/2021 3:28 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:25:40 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:11:34 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?
A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.
We pay premiums for Medicare
Nope, you pay a tax for that.
($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years
But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.

Why would it be any less true if we suddenly added nearly 300 million
to a system that already doesn't pay for itself?

(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).
It isnt.
Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".
It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.

No, it's not. Here's what that $148.50/month gets you:

Medicare Part A helps cover hospital expenses such as room, board and other inpatient services, limited stay in a skilled nursing facility, and helps cover hospice care and home-health care.2

Medicare Part B helps cover medical expenses, such as doctor's services, outpatient services and other medical supplies. It also helps cover some occupational and physical therapy services and some home-health care. It also covers some preventive services. Typically, the monthly premium you pay for Medicare Part B is deducted from
your Social Security benefits.3

No prescription drug coverage. And it does not cover 100% of the things it _does_
cover. It "helps". It doesn't pay for all.

Take a look at what it covers for in-patient hospital stays:

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/inpatient-hospital-care

That $1408 deductible probably won't get a person through the first
day of a hospital visit. Good thing the next 59 days are paid for.

And as for regular doctor visits:

Medicare Part B covers 80 percent of the cost of doctor's visits for preventive care and medically necessary services.

Cindy Hamilton

OK plan B $148.50
You can plug those holes with Plan F that is about $200 a month in
Florida for a 65 year old female but that plan is either gone or going
soon. The next best is Plan G, about the same cost but it doesn't
cover the Plan A deductibles.

When I switched from plan F to G, the difference in monthly rates saved
more than the deductible I would end up paying


?Plan D (drugs) is required (buy in right
away or pretty much lose it forever because of the penalty) and it is
$100-150 depending on what co pays you can tolerate. You may still
want dental and vision. That is more.
Your "free" Medicare is suddenly $500 a month.


And certainly a good deal.

On 2021-02-04, Bob F wrote:
We waste half of our medical money by not having a decent medical care
system like EVERY OTHER developed country.

The solution is to round up Leftists and ship them to predetermined
points around the country where they can then be exterminated.

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On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:25:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:11:34 PM UTC-5, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Rod Speed wrote
trader_4 wrote
Some would say that everyone should be able to get good insurance at a
reasonable cost, whether they are working or not.

And others with even half a clue know that
Medicare for all makes a lot more sense.

What do you think Medicare is?
A govt single payer health care system which
currently only applys to the elderly.
We pay premiums for Medicare
Nope, you pay a tax for that.
($148.50/month in 2021, more if you were a
high-wage earner). This is on top of all the
Medicare taxes we've paid over the years
But that wouldnt be true if it was universal.
Why would it be any less true if we suddenly added nearly 300 million
to a system that already doesn't pay for itself?
(or on top of current workers' Medicare
taxes if you view it as a Ponzi scheme).
It isnt.
Sure, it's not as expensive as off-the-peg private insurance,
but it might qualify as "good insurance at a reasonable cost".
It isnt insurance, its a govt single payer health care funding system.
No, it's not. Here's what that $148.50/month gets you:

Medicare Part A helps cover hospital expenses such as room, board and other inpatient services, limited stay in a skilled nursing facility, and helps cover hospice care and home-health care.2

Medicare Part B helps cover medical expenses, such as doctor's services, outpatient services and other medical supplies. It also helps cover some occupational and physical therapy services and some home-health care. It also covers some preventive services. Typically, the monthly premium you pay for Medicare Part B is deducted from your Social Security benefits.3

No prescription drug coverage. And it does not cover 100% of the things it _does_
cover. It "helps". It doesn't pay for all.

Take a look at what it covers for in-patient hospital stays:

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/inpatient-hospital-care

That $1408 deductible probably won't get a person through the first
day of a hospital visit. Good thing the next 59 days are paid for.

And as for regular doctor visits:

Medicare Part B covers 80 percent of the cost of doctor's visits for preventive care and medically necessary services.

Cindy Hamilton

Add to that, many, probably most people on Medicare also have it supplemented with
private insurance that they buy.