One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is seating
properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to properly seal
when it goes down. There should also be a little slack in the chain
when closed too.

On 11/18/20 10:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

Is it overfilling? Maybe the intake valve is letting the water
level to
rise too far and then the water is running out the overflow.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the
other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper
was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal -
Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks despite the new
flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve now? If so what do
you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is seating
properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to properly
seal when it goes down. There should also be a little slack in the
chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to my
plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal 2001CM
flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and wiped the
lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it. It feels
smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 11:31:24 -0600, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

On 11/18/20 10:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

Is it overfilling? Maybe the intake valve is letting the water
level to
rise too far and then the water is running out the overflow.


Over-filling wouldn't cause it to fill quickly
in the middle of the night - it would be
constantly slowly filling.
John T.

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?


Could also be tank to bowl connection. I had to replace the seal once.
I would also check the bolts of tank to bowl although leak with
corroded bolt is normally outside. If you replace the seal, I would
also replace the bolts.

Frank wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the
other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper
was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal -
Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks despite the new
flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve now? If so what do
you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


Could also be tank to bowl connection. I had to replace the seal
once. I would also check the bolts of tank to bowl although leak
with corroded bolt is normally outside. If you replace the seal, I
would also replace the bolts.


Don't the bolts go outside of the bowl? There is no water on the floor
or at the nuts.

On 11/18/2020 2:20 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Frank wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the
other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper
was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal -
Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks despite the new
flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve now? If so what do
you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


Could also be tank to bowl connection. I had to replace the seal
once. I would also check the bolts of tank to bowl although leak
with corroded bolt is normally outside. If you replace the seal, I
would also replace the bolts.


Don't the bolts go outside of the bowl? There is no water on the floor
or at the nuts.


Yes, I was thinking that a broken bolt might not leak on floor but cause
a slight imbalance on the tank to bowl seal. It was many years ago that
I had to replace a tank to bowl seal and cannot recall the problem as it
presented itself but must have been a leak.

Cannot imagine a flapper not sealing if it fits the opening. I do have
a Toto that requires an OEM flapper but problem is in the flush itself.

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the
other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper
was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal -
Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks despite the new
flapper. *Do I need to replace the flush valve now?* If so what do
you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is seating
properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to properly
seal when it goes down. There should also be a little slack in the
chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to my
plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal 2001CM
flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and wiped the
lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it. It feels
smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal.
1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:22:01 AM UTC-5, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

Sounds like that is the best option now. Replace the whole assembly, they are cheap
and it's not that hard to do, unless I guess if bolts won't come off, etc.

In writes:

[snip]

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal.
1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

We had a really hard to diagnose similar problem. Yes,
thanks to the "food dye" test, we confirmed that water
was slowly seeping from the tank into the bowl.

After much agonizing work, including removing the unit,
separating the tank and the bowl, putting it back
together, etc., etc., we discovered that...

.... that the gasket between the tank and bowl
had disintegrated enough that water was seeping
through it and into the bowl.

Fortunately not onto the floor.

Solution: I stopped by the local shoe repair
place, picked up a 5 inch square of rubberized
material, cut a hole in it, and used it as
a replacement "O ring".

(Any similar material would have worked; the
shoe place was the most convenient).

What caused this?

We were using a pseudo chlorine tablet
in the tank for sanitary purposes (yeah, save
me the arguments about whether they work), and
that little bit of chlorine ate away at
the gasket.

If you go a'serch'in for:

"chlorine tablets eating away toilet gaskets"

you'll find lots of stories..

(if you're not using these then the chances
of an "o ring" degradation are slimmer, but
still could behappening).

--
__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key

[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is
seating properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down. There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal. 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction. Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals. Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

On 11/18/20 4:29 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is
seating properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down. There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal. 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction. Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals. Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

Personally I always get these types of items from ACE Hardware. A nearby
plumbing store would be next choice.

Good to hear you found the source :-)

On 11/18/20 5:31 PM, wrote:
On 11/18/20 4:29 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl.Â* The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly.Â* I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers.Â* The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.Â* The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper.Â* *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?*Â* If so what do you suggest?Â* Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper?Â* Did you check that is is
seating properly?Â* There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down.Â* There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend.Â* He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper.Â* And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me.Â* There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal.Â* 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction.Â* Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals.Â* Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

Personally I always get these types of items from ACE Hardware. A nearby
plumbing store would be next choice.

Good to hear you found the source :-)

Also I would suggest you disassemble toilet and take old seal and bolts
to store to match. Appears that U-R may use different sizes.

https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html

On 11/18/2020 5:46 PM, wrote:
On 11/18/20 5:31 PM, wrote:
On 11/18/20 4:29 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl.Â* The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly.Â* I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers.Â* The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.Â* The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper.Â* *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?*Â* If so what do you suggest?Â* Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper?Â* Did you check that is is
seating properly?Â* There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down.Â* There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend.Â* He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper.Â* And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me.Â* There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal.Â* 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction.Â* Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals.Â* Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

Personally I always get these types of items from ACE Hardware. A
nearby plumbing store would be next choice.

Good to hear you found the source :-)

Also I would suggest you disassemble toilet and take old seal and bolts
to store to match. Appears thatÂ* U-R may use different sizes.

https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


That's what I would do. I recall my parts came from a hardware store.

On 11/18/2020 09:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?


Are you sure it's leaking into the bowl and not around the base of the
tank?

On 11/18/2020 02:29 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals. Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

I got mine from Home Depot but I took the old seal to be sure. If you're
lucky the two mounting bolts won't be completely corroded. That's why
the kits have new ones.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC),
"badgolferman" wrote:

wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is
seating properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down. There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal. 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction. Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals. Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

I read this thread with great interest because I think I have the same
problem. I looked in the tank and saw the bolts, and the thought of
taking the whole thing apart this week didn't seem good. But that was
about 30 hours ago and it doesn't seem to have leaked or run since then.

Some time after I moved in, I saw that the bathtub leaked when it
drained, and water went down the chain to the dining room light's glass
sphere. I finallly noticed when there were 2 inches of water in it.
But that stopped after a few months and never leaked again. I concluded
that the dirt in the bathtub, my dead skin and whatever else, had
plugged the leak.

Isn't it possible that this could happen with this toilet leak, and
isn't there a way to speed that up, to do what radiator stop-leak or raw
eggs would do? I don't mean those products because radiators are hot,
and leaks open into the air. (Maybe this toilet leak also opens into
the air?)

But something else. Powdered something, even dirt, that would gradually
fill the leak, which is certainly small to begin with. And any "powder"
that doesn't go into the leak would be flushed down the toilet with the
other water.

My problem just started about 4 weeks ago -- I noticed it just after I
posted about replacing the valve -- and may have ended already. I'm
certainly going to wait another month before I do anything.

And my water is pretty clean, so clear it's hard to tell if the tank is
full or empty. Imagine how fast the leak would end if the water had
dissolved or suspended solids of some sort. While I wait, I'm going to
try to think of something to plug the leak with, some powder or
something.

Any suggestions?

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

Hi badgolferman,

I do NOT have the solution to your issue.
o All I can do is commiserate with your problem set

To illustrate why, I snapped this illustrative photo for you just now
o https://i.postimg.cc/pL9qvjXs/stopper01.jpg

That's just the Korky & Kohler flappers & FluidMaster valves I had handy.
o That's how bad the situation is (and yes, I have lots of bathrooms).

I believe they all have "lifetime warranties" where I'd love to know if
you, or anyone else, has ever bothered to take them up on their bluff.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 22:44:44 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

Hi badgolferman,

I do NOT have the solution to your issue.
o All I can do is commiserate with your problem set

To illustrate why, I snapped this illustrative photo for you just now
o https://i.postimg.cc/pL9qvjXs/stopper01.jpg

That's just the Korky & Kohler flappers & FluidMaster valves I had handy.
o That's how bad the situation is (and yes, I have lots of bathrooms).

I believe they all have "lifetime warranties" where I'd love to know if
you, or anyone else, has ever bothered to take them up on their bluff.

Kohler worked with me on the one piece I had and sent me a new
flapper. They are also the ones who told me the link you use on the
flapper chain is critical. One off in either direction will fail.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 03:33:42 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC),
"badgolferman" wrote:

wrote:

On 11/18/20 12:32 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/18/2020 11:21 AM, badgolferman wrote:
One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear
the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped
flappers with the other toilet and even bought two new
flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend
said it was for other model toilets and I needed a Universal
type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The
toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. *Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


Did you put in the right flapper? Did you check that is is
seating properly? There could be some buildup not allowing it to
properly seal when it goes down. There should also be a little
slack in the chain when closed too.


As far as I can tell the flapper is correct, at least according to
my plumber friend. He sent me a picture of the Korky Universal
2001CM flapper. And yes, I took the scratchy side of a sponge and
wiped the lip of the valve seat real good to get any crud off it.
It feels smooth to me. There is about half inch slack in the chain.


The leaking refill flush valve would not cause your problem of
intermittent refills. It would cause overfilling, with water running
down the overflow tube, and no need for a "refill".

If your convinced the new flapper is sealing OK, you could test for a
leak in the tank-to-bowl seal. 1. Shutoff the cold water line valve.
2. Flush the toilet normally
3. Some water should remain in tank up to the lip of the flapper seal.
4. Add a small bottle of red food coloring to the water in tank.
5. Wait awhile to see if red water shows up in bowl.

Good Luck...

I believe you have pointed me in the right direction. Indeed there was
colored water in the bowl after trying the above method.

Now I will need a new bowl seal, bolts and seals. Do you think the
ones at the box store are sufficient for my Universal-Rundle or should
I go to a plumbing store?

Thanks!

I read this thread with great interest because I think I have the same
problem. I looked in the tank and saw the bolts, and the thought of
taking the whole thing apart this week didn't seem good. But that was
about 30 hours ago and it doesn't seem to have leaked or run since then.

Some time after I moved in, I saw that the bathtub leaked when it
drained, and water went down the chain to the dining room light's glass
sphere. I finallly noticed when there were 2 inches of water in it.
But that stopped after a few months and never leaked again. I concluded
that the dirt in the bathtub, my dead skin and whatever else, had
plugged the leak.

Isn't it possible that this could happen with this toilet leak, and
isn't there a way to speed that up, to do what radiator stop-leak or raw
eggs would do? I don't mean those products because radiators are hot,
and leaks open into the air. (Maybe this toilet leak also opens into
the air?)

But something else. Powdered something, even dirt, that would gradually
fill the leak, which is certainly small to begin with. And any "powder"
that doesn't go into the leak would be flushed down the toilet with the
other water.

My problem just started about 4 weeks ago -- I noticed it just after I
posted about replacing the valve -- and may have ended already. I'm
certainly going to wait another month before I do anything.

And my water is pretty clean, so clear it's hard to tell if the tank is
full or empty. Imagine how fast the leak would end if the water had
dissolved or suspended solids of some sort. While I wait, I'm going to
try to think of something to plug the leak with, some powder or
something.

Any suggestions?
Leaking that allows water to flow into the bowl GENERALLY does not
require splitting the tank and bowl. Often just cleaning the flapper
valve and its seat does the job, but even replacing the flapper is
generally a simple quick job. (not to mention low cost)
The leaks also tend to be intermittent - depending on how the flapper
seats

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 19:34:29 -0500, wrote:

I believe they all have "lifetime warranties" where I'd love to know if
you, or anyone else, has ever bothered to take them up on their bluff.

Kohler worked with me on the one piece I had and sent me a new
flapper. They are also the ones who told me the link you use on the
flapper chain is critical. One off in either direction will fail.

Hi gfretwell,

Thank you for your purposefully helpful post for badgolferman, where the
signal to noise ratio on this newsgroup is overwhelmingly spam & trolls, so
I only happened to see this when I was looking it up for badgolferman
(where I generally converse with badgolferman on the Apple newsgroups where
he knows me to be honest, open, detailed, and always up front with facts,
like you seem to always be).

Sometimes I have good experiences with warranties for home items, e.g.,
Fiskars is great - you just send them a photo & they send you a replacement
https://www.fiskars.eu/Support/product-warranties

But some outfits require you to send in the item for them to inspect it,
which seems fair enough, but which ends up meaning the warranty is
worthless for items which cost almost as much to ship as to replace.

Did Kohler require you to send in the old flapper valves?
o Or just a photo of them?

I think I have about a dozen somewhere in a box, all worthless to me.
--
PS: One plumber told me to NOT get the red ones because, he said, the black
ones deteriorate just as fast, but they leave black smudge all over, sort
of as an "indicator" ink of sorts, while the red flapper valves go bad just
as fast, but they don't leave red indicator ink all over the place.

badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other
toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a
Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I
needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question. The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need
to replace the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water out
except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank. That
trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the flush
valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I bought a new
Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that. It comes with
its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush valve
seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the valve. I
have taken some pictures which you can view below. I didn't see any
cracks in the tank or anything else. Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other
toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a
Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I
needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question. The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need
to replace the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water out
except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank. That
trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the flush
valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I bought a new
Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that. It comes with
its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush valve
seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the valve. I
have taken some pictures which you can view below. I didn't see any
cracks in the tank or anything else. Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the separate tank
to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html

wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom
is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank
fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with
the other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first
flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other
model toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks
despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve
now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water
out except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank.
That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the
flush valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I
bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that.
It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush
valve seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the
valve. I have taken some pictures which you can view below. I
didn't see any cracks in the tank or anything else. Any
suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the separate
tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket, bolts
and washers. They were all fine and supple. There is no leak out of
the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl. How would the tank to
bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl? The water has to get past the
flush valve to tank seal.

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom
is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank
fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with
the other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first
flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other
model toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks
despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve
now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water
out except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank.
That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the
flush valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I
bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that.
It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush
valve seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the
valve. I have taken some pictures which you can view below. I
didn't see any cracks in the tank or anything else. Any
suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the separate
tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket, bolts
and washers. They were all fine and supple. There is no leak out of
the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl. How would the tank to
bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl? The water has to get past the
flush valve to tank seal.

Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube? A crack in it maybe?

Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I
hear the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have
swapped flappers with the other toilet and even bought two
new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber
friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question. The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper.
Do I need to replace the flush valve now? If so what do you
suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the
water out except for what remains, then put food coloring in
the tank. That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal
to tank of the flush valve when the colored water showed up in
the toilet. I bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve
and installed that. It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as
before. It looks like it's leaking through/below the front of
the the flush valve seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to
the front of the valve. I have taken some pictures which you
can view below. I didn't see any cracks in the tank or
anything else. Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the
separate tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket,
bolts and washers. They were all fine and supple. There is no
leak out of the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl. How would
the tank to bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl? The water has
to get past the flush valve to tank seal.

Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube? A crack in it
maybe?



The flush valve assembly and its seal has been replaced. The overflow
tube is part of that. Remember that I have let all the water out of
the tank except for what's left below the lip of the flush valve. The
overflow tube isn't even part of the equation at this point.

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 22:03:16 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman"
wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill
itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other
toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a
Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I
needed a Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question. The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need
to replace the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any
gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water out
except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank. That
trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the flush
valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I bought a new
Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that. It comes with
its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush valve
seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the valve. I
have taken some pictures which you can view below. I didn't see any
cracks in the tank or anything else. Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v

I am assuming you only replaced the fluidmaster and the flapper - not
the flapper seat and the standpipe? If so check the seat the flapper
seals to and make sure it is clean and smooth. Also make sure the
level is set properly on the fluidmaster so no water flows into the
standpipefrom the tank

If the gasket between the seat and the tank is bad the tank has to
come off and the seat, standbipe, and gasket will all need to be
replaced. I've found USUALLY just giving the seat a good rub-down with
a scotchbrite pad and a bit of CLR solves the problem

On 11/21/20 5:13 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I
hear the tank fill itself back up very quickly. I have
swapped flappers with the other toilet and even bought two
new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber
friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question. The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper.
Do I need to replace the flush valve now? If so what do you
suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the
water out except for what remains, then put food coloring in
the tank. That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal
to tank of the flush valve when the colored water showed up in
the toilet. I bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve
and installed that. It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as
before. It looks like it's leaking through/below the front of
the the flush valve seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to
the front of the valve. I have taken some pictures which you
can view below. I didn't see any cracks in the tank or
anything else. Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the
separate tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket,
bolts and washers. They were all fine and supple. There is no
leak out of the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl. How would
the tank to bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl? The water has
to get past the flush valve to tank seal.

Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube? A crack in it
maybe?



The flush valve assembly and its seal has been replaced. The overflow
tube is part of that. Remember that I have let all the water out of
the tank except for what's left below the lip of the flush valve. The
overflow tube isn't even part of the equation at this point.

The instructions on the last fill valve I changed said to set the
fill level at 1" below the overflow tube height. Does the leak stop
if you let the tank fill only halfway somehow? Dump some food coloring
in the tank just to be sure.

On 11/21/2020 7:18 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/21/20 5:13 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl.* The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night I
hear the tank fill itself back up very quickly.* I have
swapped flappers with the other toilet and even bought two
new flappers.* The first flapper was a Korky but my plumber
friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in
question.* The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper.
Do I need to replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you
suggest?* Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the
water out except for what remains, then put food coloring in
the tank.* That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal
to tank of the flush valve when the colored water showed up in
the toilet.* I bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve
and installed that.* It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains.* It still leaks exactly the same as
before.* It looks like it's leaking through/below the front of
the the flush valve seal.* I also noticed bubbles clinging to
the front of the valve.* I have taken some pictures which you
can view below.* I didn't see any cracks in the tank or
anything else.* Any suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the
separate tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket,
bolts and washers.* They were all fine and supple.* There is no
leak out of the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl.* How would
the tank to bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl?* The water has
to get past the flush valve to tank seal.

**** Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube?* A crack in it
maybe?



The flush valve assembly and its seal has been replaced.* The overflow
tube is part of that.* Remember that I have let all the water out of
the tank except for what's left below the lip of the flush valve.* The
overflow tube isn't even part of the equation at this point.

**** The instructions on the last fill valve I changed said to set the
fill level at 1" below the overflow tube height.* Does the leak stop
if you let the tank fill only halfway somehow?* Dump some food coloring
in the tank just to be sure.

I think what the most recent (immediately above) post is suggesting is
that sometimes, the weight of a full tank of water presses the flapper
valve down enough to prevent a leak that otherwise might occur if
there's only an inch or so of water above the flapper valve. Is the
chain between the flush lever and the flapper valve taut or is there a
little bit of slack. Sometimes, there's just enough upward pull from
the chain to cause a very slow leak. Try adjusting the chain just one
link longer and see what happens (unless you've already tried that
without success). As a final thought, I've seen repair kits that
include an add-on flapper valve seat with a strong but flexible adhesive
on the bottom side. Supposedly it can solve a leak when the only other
alternative is to unbolt the tank again and entirely replace the
existing flapper valve seat. Never needed to try it so I can't report
how well it does or doesn't work.

Peter wrote:

On 11/21/2020 7:18 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/21/20 5:13 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl.* The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night
I hear the tank fill itself back up very quickly.* I
have swapped flappers with the other toilet and even
bought two new flappers.* The first flapper was a Korky
but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question.* The toilet
still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you
suggest?* Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all
the water out except for what remains, then put food
coloring in the tank.* That trick confirmed water was
leaking past the seal to tank of the flush valve when the
colored water showed up in the toilet.* I bought a new
Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that.* It
comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains.* It still leaks exactly the same as
before.* It looks like it's leaking through/below the
front of the the flush valve seal.* I also noticed
bubbles clinging to the front of the valve.* I have taken
some pictures which you can view below.* I didn't see any
cracks in the tank or anything else.* Any suggestions
welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the
separate tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl
gasket, bolts and washers.* They were all fine and supple.*
There is no leak out of the tank onto the floor, only into
the bowl.* How would the tank to bowl gasket cause a leak
into the bowl?* The water has to get past the flush valve to
tank seal.

**** Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube?* A crack
in it maybe?



The flush valve assembly and its seal has been replaced.* The
overflow tube is part of that.* Remember that I have let all the
water out of the tank except for what's left below the lip of the
flush valve.* The overflow tube isn't even part of the equation
at this point.

**** The instructions on the last fill valve I changed said to set
the fill level at 1" below the overflow tube height.* Does the leak
stop if you let the tank fill only halfway somehow?* Dump some food
coloring in the tank just to be sure.

I think what the most recent (immediately above) post is suggesting
is that sometimes, the weight of a full tank of water presses the
flapper valve down enough to prevent a leak that otherwise might
occur if there's only an inch or so of water above the flapper valve.
Is the chain between the flush lever and the flapper valve taut or is
there a little bit of slack. Sometimes, there's just enough upward
pull from the chain to cause a very slow leak. Try adjusting the
chain just one link longer and see what happens (unless you've
already tried that without success). As a final thought, I've seen
repair kits that include an add-on flapper valve seat with a strong
but flexible adhesive on the bottom side. Supposedly it can solve a
leak when the only other alternative is to unbolt the tank again and
entirely replace the existing flapper valve seat. Never needed to
try it so I can't report how well it does or doesn't work.


I am thinking of putting a bead of silicone between the flush valve
rubber gasket and the hole of the tank. It must be leaking at that
point.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all of us to
digest...


One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom is
attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank fill itself
back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with the other toilet
and even bought two new flappers. The first flapper was a Korky but my
plumber friend said it was for other model toilets and I needed a
Universal type Korky for the Universal - Rundle toilet in question.
The toilet still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace
the flush valve now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be
wary of?

I would go to the plumbing supply store and get a genuine U/R flapper, bowl
gasket and brass tank bolts. Might want to get a new supply hose too. Make sure
the shutoff valve works before staring any major work like removing the supply
line or tank bolts.

--
Tekkie

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 22:47:03 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all of us to
digest...


wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom
is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank
fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with
the other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first
flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other
model toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks
despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve
now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all the water
out except for what remains, then put food coloring in the tank.
That trick confirmed water was leaking past the seal to tank of the
flush valve when the colored water showed up in the toilet. I
bought a new Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that.
It comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains. It still leaks exactly the same as before. It
looks like it's leaking through/below the front of the the flush
valve seal. I also noticed bubbles clinging to the front of the
valve. I have taken some pictures which you can view below. I
didn't see any cracks in the tank or anything else. Any
suggestions welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the separate
tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl gasket, bolts
and washers. They were all fine and supple. There is no leak out of
the tank onto the floor, only into the bowl. How would the tank to
bowl gasket cause a leak into the bowl? The water has to get past the
flush valve to tank seal.

It's probably the flapper. I will post a link to help you determine the part
you need. Sometimes this "universal" part just doesn't do the job.
I know I am coming in late but trying to help...
Let us know when you achieve man over machine.

https://www.plumbingsupply.com/universal-rundle-toilets.html

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Tekkie

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 20:36:32 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all of us to
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Peter wrote:

On 11/21/2020 7:18 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/21/20 5:13 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/21/20 4:47 PM, badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

On 11/21/20 5:03 PM, badgolferman wrote:
badgolferman wrote:

One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl.* The
bathroom is attached to the bedroom so during the night
I hear the tank fill itself back up very quickly.* I
have swapped flappers with the other toilet and even
bought two new flappers.* The first flapper was a Korky
but my plumber friend said it was for other model
toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question.* The toilet
still leaks despite the new flapper. Do I need to
replace the flush valve now?* If so what do you
suggest?* Any gotchas to be wary of?


I received a suggestion to shut off the water and let all
the water out except for what remains, then put food
coloring in the tank.* That trick confirmed water was
leaking past the seal to tank of the flush valve when the
colored water showed up in the toilet.* I bought a new
Fluidmaster Universal flush valve and installed that.* It
comes with its own flapper.

The problem remains.* It still leaks exactly the same as
before.* It looks like it's leaking through/below the
front of the the flush valve seal.* I also noticed
bubbles clinging to the front of the valve.* I have taken
some pictures which you can view below.* I didn't see any
cracks in the tank or anything else.* Any suggestions
welcome.

https://ibb.co/Kxf0VTZ
https://ibb.co/cX2sxw5
https://ibb.co/TMBtspj
https://ibb.co/KwPQtmh
https://ibb.co/Kj0tZHQ
https://ibb.co/QPvFX7v


Did you also unbolt the tank from the bowl and replace the
separate tank to bowl gasket ??

Like these:
https://www.plumbingsupply.com/toile...l-gaskets.html


I took the tank off the bowl and checked the tank to bowl
gasket, bolts and washers.* They were all fine and supple.*
There is no leak out of the tank onto the floor, only into
the bowl.* How would the tank to bowl gasket cause a leak
into the bowl?* The water has to get past the flush valve to
tank seal.

**** Doesn't that lead you back to the overflow tube?* A crack
in it maybe?



The flush valve assembly and its seal has been replaced.* The
overflow tube is part of that.* Remember that I have let all the
water out of the tank except for what's left below the lip of the
flush valve.* The overflow tube isn't even part of the equation
at this point.

**** The instructions on the last fill valve I changed said to set
the fill level at 1" below the overflow tube height.* Does the leak
stop if you let the tank fill only halfway somehow?* Dump some food
coloring in the tank just to be sure.

I think what the most recent (immediately above) post is suggesting
is that sometimes, the weight of a full tank of water presses the
flapper valve down enough to prevent a leak that otherwise might
occur if there's only an inch or so of water above the flapper valve.
Is the chain between the flush lever and the flapper valve taut or is
there a little bit of slack. Sometimes, there's just enough upward
pull from the chain to cause a very slow leak. Try adjusting the
chain just one link longer and see what happens (unless you've
already tried that without success). As a final thought, I've seen
repair kits that include an add-on flapper valve seat with a strong
but flexible adhesive on the bottom side. Supposedly it can solve a
leak when the only other alternative is to unbolt the tank again and
entirely replace the existing flapper valve seat. Never needed to
try it so I can't report how well it does or doesn't work.


I am thinking of putting a bead of silicone between the flush valve
rubber gasket and the hole of the tank. It must be leaking at that
point.

I would nor do that. Get a kit like Peter suggested. I believe you are correct
in your thinking the seat may be the problem.

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Tekkie

Tekkie© wrote:


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all
of us to digest...


One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom
is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank
fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with
the other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first
flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other
model toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks
despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve
now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?

I would go to the plumbing supply store and get a genuine U/R
flapper, bowl gasket and brass tank bolts. Might want to get a new
supply hose too. Make sure the shutoff valve works before staring any
major work like removing the supply line or tank bolts.


I'm told Universal-Rundle is a very old brand and it's hard to find to
parts for it. Everyone I've spoken to recommended I give up on the
toilet. Nothing I can do will seal the flush valve screw to tank
junction enough to prevent water getting past the seal. I bought a new
toilet with dual flushing today for $89 and will install it tomorrow.

On 11/23/2020 3:43 PM, badgolferman wrote:
....

... I bought a new
toilet with dual flushing today for $89 and will install it tomorrow.

??? What would that look like for $100???

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On 11/23/20 5:55 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 3:43 PM, badgolferman wrote:
...

... I bought a new
toilet with dual flushing today for $89 and will install it tomorrow.

??? What would that look like for $100???

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Probably something like this:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/AquaSource-...ize/1000177179

https://tinyurl.com/yyhxn9b8

On 11/23/20 5:21 PM, wrote:
On 11/23/20 5:55 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 3:43 PM, badgolferman wrote:
...

... I bought a new
toilet with dual flushing today for $89 and will install it tomorrow.

??? What would that look like for $100???

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Probably something like this:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/AquaSource-...ize/1000177179


https://tinyurl.com/yyhxn9b8

It's missing the little flush handle where all the germs gather
after people use
their right hands for other things.

On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 21:43:43 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all of us to
digest...


Tekkie© wrote:


On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:21:51 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman posted for all
of us to digest...


One of our toilets has a slight leak into the bowl. The bathroom
is attached to the bedroom so during the night I hear the tank
fill itself back up very quickly. I have swapped flappers with
the other toilet and even bought two new flappers. The first
flapper was a Korky but my plumber friend said it was for other
model toilets and I needed a Universal type Korky for the
Universal - Rundle toilet in question. The toilet still leaks
despite the new flapper. Do I need to replace the flush valve
now? If so what do you suggest? Any gotchas to be wary of?

I would go to the plumbing supply store and get a genuine U/R
flapper, bowl gasket and brass tank bolts. Might want to get a new
supply hose too. Make sure the shutoff valve works before staring any
major work like removing the supply line or tank bolts.


I'm told Universal-Rundle is a very old brand and it's hard to find to
parts for it. Everyone I've spoken to recommended I give up on the
toilet. Nothing I can do will seal the flush valve screw to tank
junction enough to prevent water getting past the seal. I bought a new
toilet with dual flushing today for $89 and will install it tomorrow.

That's one way, it may be best. Choose carefully, everyone here has their
favorites. Don't get flushed

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Tekkie