On 5/16/2020 8:24 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:01:01 +0100, Paul wrote:

Drywall has reasonable properties, and there are enough variants,
you can get more armor-plated versions ("Type X") if you want.

It's **** compared to wood.

You must be some kind of treeist....r

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On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:40:22 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:49 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:42 +0100, Rod Speed
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
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On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that,
you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are
dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the
joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape. There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done
an
apprenticeship. But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name,
but not
a
very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps? Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws! Isn't that
tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the
tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

Because the tape is stronger in tension than plaster, stupid.

But the filler still has to stretch,

Nope, the tape stops any movement.

It ain't strong enough to stop something 50 billion times heavier than
itself from moving.

Now you're talking like a 5 year old!

Nope, just pointing out that tape cannot stop those big heavy sheets
moving.

That's not what its there for. That's what the plasterboard screws are for.

So there's no point in having the tape.

Yes there is. It has the tensile strength that the plaster doesn't.

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On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:42:29 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 8:54 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

It is. Did my kitchen out with it 20 years ago. That house was built in
53 and it had gypsum sheeting so it isn't new by any stretch of the
imagination.

Wait till you want to remove it. Get a dust mask ready.

Don't need one when you do it properly.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:32:37 -0700, RH Drano, the brain dead, notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


You must be some kind of treeist....r

No, he's a troll, you troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal idiots' endless blather

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that
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:43:54 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it! So what if the tape gives, the plaster
over it will still crack.

If you have done the sheeting properly, the tape won't give and the
plaster won't crack.

If you've done the sheeting properly, there is no need for the tape.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK. Horrid stuff, try removing it.

Easy to remove. Did it in my kitchen 20 years ago.

Without it crumbling? Are you a magician?

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:43:54 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it! So what if the tape gives, the plaster
over it will still crack.

If you have done the sheeting properly, the tape won't give and the
plaster won't crack.

If you've done the sheeting properly, there is no need for the tape.

Wrong, as always. There will always be some
movement in what the sheeting is attached to.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK. Horrid stuff, try removing
it.

Easy to remove. Did it in my kitchen 20 years ago.

Without it crumbling?

Yep.

Are you a magician?

Don't need to be.

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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it! So what if the tape gives,

It doesn't.

If the boards don't move apart, the plaster wouldn't have cracked anyway. If they do, the tape won't help.

the plaster over it will still crack.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK. Horrid stuff, try removing it.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:04:30 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed
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On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

You wouldn't know how.

Why would I use the complicated messy **** when a wood panel is easier to put up, easier to remove, and easier to attach things to.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:16:38 +0100, F Murtz wrote:

On 16/5/20 6:35 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints. Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape. There must be a generic
name for it.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps? Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws! Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?
Pros use paper tape OIYers use sticky mesh tape

OIY? That's Aussie for "yoohoo!"

If you're a pro you shouldn't need tape.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:33:08 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 8:30 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with paper.

Nope, the paper is just the surface.

Under the paper is just powder. Ever tried removing some?

Use wood for crying out loud.

No thanks, much more expensive for a wall or ceiling

But a better finished product.

No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

Wood does not crumble. Wood panels attached with screws come off by

Chipboard does. You need to get out more.

Nothing like what plasterboard does. And you don't have to use chipboard.

simply undoing some screws. You can even reuse the wood. But

You cover up the screw heads. How are you going to get at them or get a
screwdriver into the (usually phillips head) recess?

Easy, I've done that before, scrape the paint out of it with a Stanley knife.

What about corrosion of the screw shank?

Use non-rusting screws you cheapskate.

Ah, you seem to be lacking in practical realities.

Contrarywise.

plasterboard ends up in a cloud of dust and mess.

easier to screw things into like a picture frame etc.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 16:42:01 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 16/05/2020 15:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 06:17:05 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 23:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:27:13 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:10 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:28:00 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

I still buy 2 by 1, but the blasted stuff sold
as PAR (planed all round) is nowhere near 2 x 1.

Local builder's merchant here sells what I ask for. They have
several
sizes.
oooh lucky you .... four by two is the rough sawn size....when
planed it
is smaller....

Mine sells by the mm. They quote on the website the precise size
it is
when you buy it. Why would I want to buy a rough size which may not
match what I already have? Your houses must end up really wonky.
It's just just they way things are.....

Don't accept inferior products. If you buy something that's supposed to
16 of something, and it's 15, that's not fit for purpose.
so you just throw away the traditions of the building industry ? ...

I prefer to get what I ask for, not something that's traditional. Would
you buy a traditional cuckoo clock that couldn't keep the correct time?
you would argue black it white and get run over on the next zebra
crossing .....

Unlike most people I look before crossing. I do love scaring pedestrians who seem to think they have right of way. I do not have to stop by law unless they are already on it.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:00:21 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:52, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry, unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.


We have Pink stuff in the UK. Reinforced with glassfibre and
15mm thick to give 1 hour fire resistance (until sometime later
a thicko tradesman or his apprentice makes holes in it to run
in some new water pipes or cables and doesn't reseal the holes).

Glass fibre is the devil's work, gets in your skin and lungs, should be banned like asbestos.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:04:04 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 16/05/2020 06:17, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 23:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:28:17 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall,
sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with paper.
Use wood for crying out loud. No crumbling, easier to remove,
easier to
screw things into like a picture frame etc.
easier to go up in flames....needs a spread of flame rating ...

Top tip - don't light fires inside your house.
Lets all do that and we can save a fortune on the fire service ....

Hmm. Definately ban all those tea-tree lights, and all those dodgy
fake apple phone chargers. Not foregtting all the illegal east
european fags without safety guard rings that are being imported
and sold under the counter.

Pansy.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:06:01 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 15/05/2020 23:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:46:07 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



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On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with paper.

Nope, the paper is just the surface.

Under the paper is just powder. Ever tried removing some?

Use wood for crying out loud.

No thanks, much more expensive for a wall or ceiling

But a better finished product.


Use Fermacell then. Strong as timber and Class O fire
resistance.

I don't make a habit of burning my house down.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:09:18 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 16/05/2020 15:09, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 16/05/2020 14:34, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 3:19 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?

Just replace the plasterboard sheet as part of the repair/rebuild. It
isn't hard.

makes a right mess luckily some times there is a double plasterboard
thickness between th toilet and a bedroom so people can't hear plopping
noises and you can just fill the one missing sheet in....

Only if a BCO was involved. If not then single layer and a bit of
fibreglass wadding if you're lucky.

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/BCO

BCO Banco
BCO Boston Classical Orchestra (Boston, MA)
BCO Booking Centre Online (Spain)
BCO Bargain Catalog Outlet
BCO British Council for Offices (UK)
BCO BMC Capacity Optimization (software)
BCO Building Code Official (various locations)
BCO Boulder, Colorado
BCO Battalion Commanding Officer (US Navy)
BCO Bureau of Charitable Organizations (Pennsylvania)
BCO Biodiversity Convention Office (Canada)
BCO Beneficial Cargo Owner (importer of record who takes possession of cargo at destination)
BCO Building Control Officer (UK)
BCO Building Communication Opportunities (development alliance)
BCO Baker College Online (Michigan)
BCO Basic Center Operations
BCO Bonded Concrete Overlay
BCO Ballast Control Operator (offshore drilling)
BCO Binary Coded Octal
BCO Block Coincidence (robotics)
BCO Business Capacity Owner
BCO Battery Control Officer
BCO Base Central Office
BCO Belmont Community Organization
BCO Bristol Concert Orchestra (Bristol, UK)
BCO Battery Cut-Off
BCO Base Communications Officer
BCO Base Contracting Office
BCO Bird Carvers Online
BCO Basket Club d'Orchies (French basketball club)
BCO Branch Compliance Officer
BCO Bridge Cutoff
BCO Business Conduct Office
BCO Boa Constrictor Occidentalis (herpetoculture)
BCO Bright Class O (insulation)
BCO Bidability/Constructability/Operability
BCO Broomfield Civic Orchestra (Broomfield, CO)
BCO Broad Concept of Operations
BCO Bombardment Control Officer
BCO Balcones Community Orchestra (Austin, TX)
BCO Bounded Crystal Orbital
BCO Badminton Club Orangeois (French badminton club)
BCO Barrack Control Officer
BCO Basket Club Octeville (French basketball club)
BCO Bye Control Officer
BCO Basket Club Ostwald (French basketball club)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:12:28 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 16/05/2020 15:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:34:50 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 3:19 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?

Just replace the plasterboard sheet as part of the repair/rebuild. It
isn't hard.

Do you like replacing two things instead of one?

It's only £6 a sheet though.

It's the time taken I was thinking of.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:30:29 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 16/05/2020 02:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 01:02:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"newshound" wrote in message
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On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

It is in fact much more recent than timber walls

Doesn't mean it's better, just cheap ****. Dyson bagless hoovers are
more recent, doesn't mean it's a good idea to have your dust float all
over the room when you try to empty it.

And if you want cheap, just buy chipboard. Easier and cleaner to cut,
put up, remove, and screw things into.

Absolutely no fire resistance, and is even worse than 'wood' in a fire
because the glue gives off seriously nasty toxic smoke.

Why are you so obsessed with fire safety? You're such a snowflake.

Also expands and contracts as the weather goes from cold/wet to
cold/dry and hot/humid. Even more cracking and movement.

Try heating your home.

Oh and go into your attic and look at what's under your roof tiles. WOOD! Has it buckled? No!

On Sat, 16 May 2020 21:32:37 +0100, RH Draney wrote:

On 5/16/2020 8:24 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:01:01 +0100, Paul wrote:

Drywall has reasonable properties, and there are enough variants,
you can get more armor-plated versions ("Type X") if you want.

It's **** compared to wood.

You must be some kind of treeist....r

I just like wood as it's very easy to work with.

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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it! So what if the tape gives,

It doesn't.

If the boards don't move apart,

They can do a little when what they are screwed to moves a little.

the plaster wouldn't have cracked anyway.

If they do, the tape won't help.

Wrong, as always. Plaster itself has no tensile strength at all, easy to
crack.

the plaster over it will still crack.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK. Horrid stuff, try removing
it.

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On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:04:30 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:



"newshound" wrote in message
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On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

You wouldn't know how.

Why would I use the complicated messy **** when a wood panel is easier to
put up, easier to remove, and easier to attach things to.

Because real wood is stupidly expensive, burns if you have a fire.

The sort of fake wood panelling used in the 70 is an obscenity.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:16:38 +0100, F Murtz wrote:

On 16/5/20 6:35 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape. There must be a generic
name for it.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps? Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws! Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?
Pros use paper tape OIYers use sticky mesh tape

OIY? That's Aussie for "yoohoo!"

If you're a pro you shouldn't need tape.

Wrong. as always. What the plasterboard is screwed to always moves a bit.

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On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:06:01 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 23:30, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:46:07 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal

wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall,
sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with
paper.

Nope, the paper is just the surface.

Under the paper is just powder. Ever tried removing some?

Use wood for crying out loud.

No thanks, much more expensive for a wall or ceiling

But a better finished product.


Use Fermacell then. Strong as timber and Class O fire
resistance.

I don't make a habit of burning my house down.

But it can happen anyway and only a fool; ignores that possibility.

You are that fool.

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On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:30:29 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 16/05/2020 02:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 01:02:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"newshound" wrote in message
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On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you
call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with
skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

It is in fact much more recent than timber walls

Doesn't mean it's better, just cheap ****. Dyson bagless hoovers are
more recent, doesn't mean it's a good idea to have your dust float all
over the room when you try to empty it.

And if you want cheap, just buy chipboard. Easier and cleaner to cut,
put up, remove, and screw things into.

Absolutely no fire resistance, and is even worse than 'wood' in a fire
because the glue gives off seriously nasty toxic smoke.

Why are you so obsessed with fire safety?

Because fires can happen.

pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it belongs

Also expands and contracts as the weather goes from cold/wet to
cold/dry and hot/humid. Even more cracking and movement.

pathetic excuse for a troll flushed where it belongs

Oh and go into your attic and look at what's under your roof tiles. WOOD!
Has it buckled? No!

Look where it has got we and see the rot.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:53:40 UTC, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Xeno" wrote in message
...
On 16/5/20 2:12 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard "drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry, unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not when you put it up in *sheets* Rod.

That's not PLASTERED, that's drywalled or in our case gyprocked.

Plastered means applying plaster to the wall using a trowel
and a pile of wet plaster. Similar to rendering a wall but using
plaster instead of render. The poms still do quite a bit of that
plastering with infernal walls, particularly in older houses.

Only the joints are wet - for a short time.

Not with traditional plastering. The whole wall is quite wet for quite a
while.

And if you are Michelangelo you paint the wall while it's wet.

--
John Varela

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 21:32:37 +0100, RH Draney wrote:

On 5/16/2020 8:24 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:01:01 +0100, Paul wrote:

Drywall has reasonable properties, and there are enough variants,
you can get more armor-plated versions ("Type X") if you want.

It's **** compared to wood.

You must be some kind of treeist....r

I just like wood as it's very easy to work with.

Pity about the cost with real wood panelling, not the fake **** you povs
use.

On 17/5/20 1:25 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:01:09 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 16/05/2020 13:38, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 3:20 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 23:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:26:16 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at
that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are
dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the
joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's
done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name,
but not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that
tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape
and fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the
tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?
it just doesn't ....

You sound like a builder.* They do things because they're told that's
the way it's done.* Ask them why and they get confused.
yes why re-invent the wheel ? ....

Indeed. LOL

totly..there are many skills and methods in good old fashioned building
practice that the modern slap it together I can do anything modern scum
can't master....

Builders don't have skills, they're robots following what they were
taught in their apprenticeships.* They don't actually understand what
they're doing.

As a teacher of tradesmen, now retired, I can very assuredly tell you
that you are totally wrong and haven't a clue. As I said in another
post, it's easy to see you aren't a tradesman.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

"John Varela" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:53:40 UTC, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Xeno" wrote in message
...
On 16/5/20 2:12 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not when you put it up in *sheets* Rod.

That's not PLASTERED, that's drywalled or in our case gyprocked.

Plastered means applying plaster to the wall using a trowel
and a pile of wet plaster. Similar to rendering a wall but using
plaster instead of render. The poms still do quite a bit of that
plastering with infernal walls, particularly in older houses.

Only the joints are wet - for a short time.

Not with traditional plastering. The whole wall is quite wet for quite a
while.

And if you are Michelangelo

I'm not.

you paint the wall while it's wet.

Even he doesnt anymore for some reason.

On 17/5/20 6:31 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:40:22 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:49 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:42 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:43:26 +0100, Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at
that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are
dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the
joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's
done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name,
but not
a
very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that
tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the
tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

Because the tape is stronger in tension than plaster, stupid.

But the filler still has to stretch,

Nope, the tape stops any movement.

It ain't strong enough to stop something 50 billion times heavier than
itself from moving.

Now you're talking like a 5 year old!

Nope, just pointing out that tape cannot stop those big heavy sheets
moving.* So there's no point in having the tape.

As Clare just stated, the wall studs provide the location and the
nails/screws prevent movement. Nothing more is needed.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 1:05 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/16/2020 7:51 AM, Xeno wrote:
...

Flathead galvanised Nails, the standard method of attaching plaster.
Nowadays they glue and nail. Some even use plasterboard screws.

You'd be hard pressed to find anybody nailing in the US these days...and
I suspect that's true virtually everywhere.* W/ metal studs, there's no
choice.

Very little on a percentage basis is glued...I don't recall that I've
ever seen it on walls; a rare few ceilings.

It was common here a couple of decades back when I had my kitchen done.
Possibly not now. The problem with screws on a reno is that the wall
studs in my old house were hardwood. That wood had become as hard as the
hobs of hell and screws wouldn't penetrate. Yes, only the ceiling was
glued AFAICR. The original was nailed with fibre & plaster laths
strapped over roof beams at strategic locations.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 4:56 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:51:43 +1000, Xeno
wrote:

On 16/5/20 11:01 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 00:54:20 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 6:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it!Â* So what if the tape gives, the plaster
over it will still crack.

Not unless the wall moves so much anything else would as well.

100 years applications prove the principle works pretty doggone well.

I don't see how the tape helps.Â* It's not going to reduce movement at
all.Â* Just put the plaster straight into the gap.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK.Â* Horrid stuff, try
removing it.

No problem at all--it's trivial to remove or cut into for access for
other work or repair such as electrical or plumbing and then repair
it--certainly far easier than lath and plaster.

Plasterboard is basically powder.Â* Cut it and you get a dusty mess.Â* Try
removing a whole sheet of it, especially when a moronic builder with no
long term planning has used nails which you can't remove without
crumbling the plasterboard to pieces.

Flathead galvanised Nails, the standard method of attaching plaster.
Nowadays they glue and nail. Some even use plasterboard screws.
Never used galvanized here - drywall nails were "blued" steel.
Virtually everything the last 20 or more years has been screwed -
black oxide coated drywall screws, generally

I notice the new plaster nails are no longer galvanised here also. Zinc
plated, IIRC. You can still get the galvanised ones at the local hardware.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 1:13 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/16/2020 8:37 AM, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 10:59 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
...


Lath and plaster, seen entire houses done with that method.
Admittedly, the houses were ancient but it looked like a very time
intensive job. Just think how hard it was to get surfaces flat.
Would have taken real skill.

can't get good lathers these days.... used to be an education to see
them work ....never mind getting horse hair......

I know a couple who do building restoration work back in my home state.

"Ancient" in what sort of time frame?* 100 years?* Still the routine way

Well, my first house was 53 vintage and it had plasterboard sheets. The
only difference between those and the current is that they had horsehair
through the middle of it.

then; gypsum board was in its infancy...the house here was all lath &
plaster until redid to add insulation to exterior walls in late '70s;
put drywall up instead of going back.* Virtually all ceilings/interior
walls are still original plaster.

The only lathwork in that house was in the shower. The shower cubicle
consisted of laths rendered with cement upon which tiles were laid. It
wasn't done that way on the reno. ;-)

I can call a half-dozen here in a town of under 30K population that are
quite good...they keep busy with remodels and repair work and the
occasional new construction that wants the original.

Comparatively, it is time-consuming which large part of why it has been
replaced -- labor costs are the easiest thing to trim to bring building
costs down.* A more time-efficient adequate solution will get the bid in
the majority of cases.

But, it's surprising to the non-experienced just how fast they can
go...but not as fast as the sheetrock crew can get from bare studs to
finished surface.


Indeed, plasterboard sheets go up very quickly.






--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 10:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:52:00 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it!* So what if the tape gives,

It doesn't.

If the boards don't move apart, the plaster wouldn't have cracked
anyway.* If they do, the tape won't help.

Since the plasterboard sheets are attached to the same studs, one above
the other, it would be a miracle if they moved in relation to each other.

the plaster over it will still crack.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK.* Horrid stuff, try
removing it.



--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 7:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:43:54 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it!* So what if the tape gives, the plaster
over it will still crack.

If you have done the sheeting properly, the tape won't give and the
plaster won't crack.

If you've done the sheeting properly, there is no need for the tape.

The sheeting is designed for use with tape.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK.* Horrid stuff, try
removing it.

Easy to remove. Did it in my kitchen 20 years ago.

Without it crumbling?* Are you a magician?

I must be. It came off in complete sheets. But then, I'm a tradesman.


;-)


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

"Xeno" wrote in message
...
On 17/5/20 10:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:52:00 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it! So what if the tape gives,

It doesn't.

If the boards don't move apart, the plaster wouldn't have cracked anyway.
If they do, the tape won't help.

Since the plasterboard sheets are attached to the same studs, one above
the other, it would be a miracle if they moved in relation to each other.

Pity about the vertical joins.

the plaster over it will still crack.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK. Horrid stuff, try removing
it.

On 17/5/20 6:31 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:42:29 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 8:54 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

It is. Did my kitchen out with it 20 years ago. That house was built in
53 and it had gypsum sheeting so it isn't new by any stretch of the
imagination.

Wait till you want to remove it.* Get a dust mask ready.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? *I did remove it* 20 years ago
when I redid my kitchen. Also did the laundry, bathroom and toilet at
the same time. The rest of the house didn't require new plaster sheeting.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 17/5/20 6:30 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:35:51 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 7:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name, but not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

Do the plaster sheeting properly in the first place and it should never
crack.

In which case what's the point in the tape?

It's called a *guarantee*.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

"Xeno" wrote in message
...
On 17/5/20 6:30 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:35:51 +0100, Xeno
wrote:

On 16/5/20 7:02 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape. There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done an
apprenticeship. But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name, but
not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps? Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws! Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

Do the plaster sheeting properly in the first place and it should never
crack.

In which case what's the point in the tape?

It's called a *guarantee*.

Not with the vertical joints.

On 17/5/20 10:49 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 18:30:29 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 16/05/2020 02:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 01:02:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"newshound" wrote in message
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On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you
call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with
skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

It is in fact much more recent than timber walls

Doesn't mean it's better, just cheap ****.* Dyson bagless hoovers are
more recent, doesn't mean it's a good idea to have your dust float all
over the room when you try to empty it.

And if you want cheap, just buy chipboard.* Easier and cleaner to cut,
put up, remove, and screw things into.

Absolutely no fire resistance, and is even worse than 'wood' in a fire
because the glue gives off seriously nasty toxic smoke.

Why are you so obsessed with fire safety?* You're such a snowflake.

Also expands and contracts as the weather goes from cold/wet to
cold/dry and hot/humid. Even more cracking and movement.

Try heating your home.

Oh and go into your attic and look at what's under your roof tiles.
WOOD!* Has it buckled?* No!

No wood under my roof tiles, just foil type insulation and the battens.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)