On 16/05/2020 13:45, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 9:54 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/15/2020 6:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it!* So what if the tape gives, the plaster
over it will still crack.

Not unless the wall moves so much anything else would as well.

100 years applications prove the principle works pretty doggone well.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK.* Horrid stuff, try
removing it.

No problem at all--it's trivial to remove or cut into for access for
other work or repair such as electrical or plumbing and then repair
it--certainly far easier than lath and plaster.

--

Lath and plaster, seen entire houses done with that method. Admittedly,
the houses were ancient but it looked like a very time intensive job.
Just think how hard it was to get surfaces flat. Would have taken real
skill.

can't get good lathers these days.... used to be an education to see
them work ....never mind getting horse hair......

On 16/05/2020 13:38, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 3:20 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 23:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:26:16 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering,
stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name,
but not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that
tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape
and fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the
tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?
it just doesn't ....

You sound like a builder.* They do things because they're told that's
the way it's done.* Ask them why and they get confused.
yes why re-invent the wheel ? ....

Indeed. LOL

totly..there are many skills and methods in good old fashioned building
practice that the modern slap it together I can do anything modern scum
can't master....

On 16/5/20 8:29 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:37:40 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
newsp.0kod5pt8wdg98l@glass...
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a generic
name for it.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?

Nope, it's the only sensible way to do it.

Skimming?

Skimming is to make a flat surface from a rough one. Plasterboard is
already flat. You only need to skim the joints once you have applied the
tape.

Kinda like sellotaping things together instead of using screws!

Nothing like. The tape doesn't hold it to the wall, stupid.

I didn't say it did.* But it can come off.

Not once the joint has been skimmed. BTW, have you ever seen the
jointing tape? Hint, run along to the local hardware and take a look at
some. That will inform you so preventing some of these ridiculous
comments coming from your direction.

Isn't that tape going to peel off at some later stage?

Nope.

Why not?* Is it magical?* Every other tape comes off.

Another ridiculous comment. See my hint above. After skimming, the tape
becomes an integral part of the wall.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/05/2020 13:37, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 8:27 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:26:16 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name, but
not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?
it just doesn't ....

You sound like a builder.* They do things because they're told that's
the way it's done.* Ask them why and they get confused.

Not at all. They do things because that's the *best way* to do the job.
It is quick, efficient and produces the outcome required. What more do
you need? BTW, I can tell you're not a builder - or any other type of
*tradesman*.

without doubt ....well said

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:37:51 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Not at all. They do things because that's the *best way* to do the job.
It is quick, efficient and produces the outcome required. What more do
you need? BTW, I can tell you're not a builder - or any other type of
*tradesman*.

No ****! You can't even tell that he's a ****ing stupid, clinically insane
troll! tsk

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:40:22 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:

Now you're talking like a 5 year old!

Guess WHY, you demented troll-feeding senile asshole!

On 16/5/20 8:26 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry, unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints. Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Plasterboard sheeting is far too skilful a task for a Scotsman, if
you're an example.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:43:54 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Easy to remove. Did it in my kitchen 20 years ago.

It certainly can't be as difficult as removing endlessly driveling idiots
like the two of you from these groups!

On 16/5/20 9:48 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
newsp.0kojaeyzwdg98l@glass...
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

You wouldn't know how.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:35:51 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Do the plaster sheeting properly in the first place and it should never
crack.

Stop feeding and humouring the clinically insane ****** and troll and he
will never post his retarded bull**** on these groups again, you brain dead
troll-feeding senile asshole from Oz!

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:34:25 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:

FLUSH another load of the troll-feeding senile asshole's usual
troll-fodder

Just what is it with you Ozzietards? I've come to the conclusion that you
idiots represent some of the dumbest posters that ever showed up in Western
newsgroups. There's that clinically insane Blatham and also this fawning
weirdo FMurtz. Both Australians like you and senile Rodent Speed; and you
all prefer Western ngs over Australian ngs for some strange reasons. BG

On 16/5/20 11:03 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2020 01:02:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
newsp.0kom2ffmwdg98l@glass...
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:48:01 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
newsp.0kojaeyzwdg98l@glass...
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:20:07 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall"
even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".

I was talking about lath and plaster, not joins in whatever you call
sheets
of drywall.

Wet plastering is still done in the UK, most obviously with skimming.

Far too skillfull a task for an American.

Wrong, they used to do it that way until they invented drywall.

You lot are too stupid to do it the better way.

I'd never use the Neanderthal stuff.

It is in fact much more recent than timber walls

Doesn't mean it's better, just cheap ****.* Dyson bagless hoovers are
more recent, doesn't mean it's a good idea to have your dust float all
over the room when you try to empty it.

And if you want cheap, just buy chipboard.* Easier and cleaner to cut,
put up, remove, and screw things into.

What do you do with the joints? BTW, you do realise that chipboard
sheets will have joints, don't you? Do you realise that the coefficient
of expansion of chipboard is much greater than plasterboard so cracked
joints *will* be an issue.

Just out of interest, I grew up in a house where the walls were sheeted
with *hardboard* sheets. These had nowhere near the expansion
coefficient of chipboard but, even so, the gaps couldn't be plastered.
Instead the flat gaps were covered with rounded edge wood strips and the
angled corners with quad strips. It was cheap but effective. That house
was extended and completely made over after we sold it so it probably
has plaster sheet wall coverings now.

you pathetic excuse for a troll.

Pot kettle black.* Everybody on here refers to you as that.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/5/20 6:35 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints. Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a generic
name for it.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?
Pros use paper tape OIYers use sticky mesh tape

On 16/5/20 3:20 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 23:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:26:16 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:50:53 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:46:25 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 20:41, newshound wrote:
On 15/05/2020 17:12, Rod Speed wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

I'm not astonished or amazed that you are astonished at that, you
have
always been that mindlessly obsessive about words.
Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Plastered walls are wet when you are doing the plastering, stupid.

Not usually in America, where they just tape and fill the joints.
Hence
"Drywall".
wonder what they call Ames tape ?

I assume that's a company name, like Duck Tape.* There must be a
generic
name for it.

scrim tape ...

I saw a van once with "Ames taping" on it and thought, that's a very
narrow field of work!
I saw another van with "Time served" which I think means he's done an
apprenticeship.* But I assumed it meant he's been in jail.
I saw another van with "A. Prentice" which I assume is his name, but
not
a very good advert.

Anyway, isn't that the cheating way of filling gaps?* Kinda like
sellotaping things together instead of using screws!* Isn't that tape
going to peel off at some later stage?

stops cracking at the joint.....you plaster flush over the tape and
fill
the joint...one side of plasterboard is bevelled to allow for the tape
and the filling of the joint....

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?
it just doesn't ....

You sound like a builder.* They do things because they're told that's
the way it's done.* Ask them why and they get confused.
yes why re-invent the wheel ? ....
and because it works and has been since it was invented

On 16/5/20 7:27 am, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:10 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:28:00 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

I still buy 2 by 1, but the blasted stuff sold
as PAR (planed all round) is nowhere near 2 x 1.

Local builder's merchant here sells what I ask for.* They have several
sizes.
oooh lucky you .... four by two is the rough sawn size....when planed it
is smaller....

Mine sells by the mm.* They quote on the website the precise size it
is when you buy it.* Why would I want to buy a rough size which may
not match what I already have?* Your houses must end up really wonky.
It's just just they way things are.....

Yeah, commonly known as the real world, something I suspect Mr Kinsey
isn't all that familiar with.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/5/20 8:27 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:27:13 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:10 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:28:00 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

I still buy 2 by 1, but the blasted stuff sold
as PAR (planed all round) is nowhere near 2 x 1.

Local builder's merchant here sells what I ask for.* They have several
sizes.
oooh lucky you .... four by two is the rough sawn size....when
planed it
is smaller....

Mine sells by the mm.* They quote on the website the precise size it is
when you buy it.* Why would I want to buy a rough size which may not
match what I already have?* Your houses must end up really wonky.
It's just just they way things are.....

Don't accept inferior products.* If you buy something that's supposed to
16 of something, and it's 15, that's not fit for purpose.

Since when has the building industry worked to the nearest millimetre?
To the nearest 100 millimetres more likely.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/5/20 7:03 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry, unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****.* It's powder held together with paper.
Use wood for crying out loud.* No crumbling, easier to remove, easier to
screw things into like a picture frame etc.

Easier to screw things into plasterboard, you just need the right
attachments or, alternatively, ensure you're screwing into a wall stud.

Plenty of drywall screw attachments to choose from as well as drywall
toggle cavity fasteners.

Your problem is a lack of real world experience. Only you can fix that!

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/5/20 7:28 am, charles wrote:
In article op.0koff3e6wdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with paper.
Use wood for crying out loud. No crumbling, easier to remove, easier to
screw things into like a picture frame etc.

and a lot more expensive.

You omitted *totally unsuited to task*.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 16/5/20 8:30 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:46:07 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
newsp.0koff3e6wdg98l@glass...
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****.* It's powder held together with paper.

Nope, the paper is just the surface.

Under the paper is just powder.* Ever tried removing some?

Use wood for crying out loud.

No thanks, much more expensive for a wall or ceiling

But a better finished product.

No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

Wood does not crumble.* Wood panels attached with screws come off by

Chipboard does. You need to get out more.

simply undoing some screws.* You can even reuse the wood.* But

You cover up the screw heads. How are you going to get at them or get a
screwdriver into the (usually phillips head) recess? What about
corrosion of the screw shank?

Ah, you seem to be lacking in practical realities.

plasterboard ends up in a cloud of dust and mess.

easier to screw things into like a picture frame etc.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:51:43 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Nowadays they glue and nail. Some even use plasterboard screws.

Suggestion: try to use your brain instead, troll-feeding senile Ozzietard!

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:01:24 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Another ridiculous comment. See my hint above. After skimming, the tape
becomes an integral part of the wall.

See MY hint above: you ARE a ridiculous troll-feeding senile asshole! Thanks
for confirming it! LOL

On 16/5/20 3:19 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?

Just replace the plasterboard sheet as part of the repair/rebuild. It
isn't hard.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:16:38 +1000, Fartz, another brain dead,
troll-feeding, senile Ozzietard, blathered:


Pros use paper tape OIYers use sticky mesh tape

Yep, Fartz, YOU were still missing among the troll-feeding senile assholes
in this thread! This thread is yet ANOTHER huge victory for the Scottish
******, thanks to all you senile assholes! BG

On 16/5/20 10:59 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 16/05/2020 13:45, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 9:54 am, dpb wrote:
On 5/15/2020 6:48 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 23:54:36 +0100, dpb wrote:

On 5/15/2020 4:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...

Why can't it still crack the flush plaster you put over the tape?

The paper if flexible enough to give.

But you have plaster over it!* So what if the tape gives, the
plaster over it will still crack.

Not unless the wall moves so much anything else would as well.

100 years applications prove the principle works pretty doggone well.

Surely gypsum board is in use throughout the world; can't be only US.

Yes but we call is plasterboard in the UK.* Horrid stuff, try
removing it.

No problem at all--it's trivial to remove or cut into for access for
other work or repair such as electrical or plumbing and then repair
it--certainly far easier than lath and plaster.

--

Lath and plaster, seen entire houses done with that method.
Admittedly, the houses were ancient but it looked like a very time
intensive job. Just think how hard it was to get surfaces flat. Would
have taken real skill.

can't get good lathers these days.... used to be an education to see
them work ....never mind getting horse hair......

I know a couple who do building restoration work back in my home state.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:16:13 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:

FLUSH the two subnormal idiots' endless blather

You are doing this on purpose, right, Ozzietard? Guess what, I'm doing this
on purpose too! Now let's see what will win out, senile cretin! LMAO

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:04:30 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


You wouldn't know how.

Rest assured, he KNOWS how to bait you, senile asshole! Just look at the
length of this idiotic thread thanks to senile assholes like you! BG

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:03:48 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Plasterboard sheeting is far too skilful a task for a Scotsman, if
you're an example.

ANOTHER retarded senile Arsetralian who thinks he might eventually win this
game! Just what is wrong with you Ozzietards? Is it something in the air
over there? And why don't you cretins hang out in your Arsetralian ngs? Do
they know over there how to handle their own morons? BG

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:21:31 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Since when has the building industry worked to the nearest millimetre?
To the nearest 100 millimetres more likely.

Isn't it about time you took the unwashed Scottish ******'s cock out of your
stupid Arstralian gob?

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:33:08 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Ah, you seem to be lacking in practical realities.

Why, he SURE knows how to get you to suck him off, every time he wants to be
sucked off by one of you toothless seniles! LOL

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:28:06 +1000, Xeno, another brainless, troll-feeding,
senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Easier to screw things into plasterboard

Trust me, it's VERY easy for HIM to screw YOU, any time he wants to screw
you, Arsetralian idiot! LOL

On 16/05/2020 14:19, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 7:27 am, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:10 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:28:00 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

I still buy 2 by 1, but the blasted stuff sold
as PAR (planed all round) is nowhere near 2 x 1.

Local builder's merchant here sells what I ask for.* They have several
sizes.
oooh lucky you .... four by two is the rough sawn size....when
planed it
is smaller....

Mine sells by the mm.* They quote on the website the precise size it
is when you buy it.* Why would I want to buy a rough size which may
not match what I already have?* Your houses must end up really wonky.
It's just just they way things are.....

Yeah, commonly known as the real world, something I suspect Mr Kinsey
isn't all that familiar with.

tee hee

On 16/05/2020 14:34, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 3:19 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?

Just replace the plasterboard sheet as part of the repair/rebuild. It
isn't hard.

makes a right mess luckily some times there is a double plasterboard
thickness between th toilet and a bedroom so people can't hear plopping
noises and you can just fill the one missing sheet in....

On 16/05/2020 14:28, Xeno wrote:
On 16/5/20 7:03 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****.* It's powder held together with
paper. Use wood for crying out loud.* No crumbling, easier to remove,
easier to screw things into like a picture frame etc.

Easier to screw things into plasterboard, you just need the right
attachments or, alternatively, ensure you're screwing into a wall stud.

Plenty of drywall screw attachments to choose from as well as drywall
toggle cavity fasteners.

Your problem is a lack of real world experience. Only you can fix that!

I like people like you who know what they are talking about......

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling!* So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

Drywall is a panel made of gypsum plaster pressed between two thick
sheets of paper. It is used to make interior walls and ceilings. Drywall
construction became prevalent as a speedier alternative to traditional
lath and plaster.

Sheetrock is a trademark for drywall made by the US Gypsum company

On Sat, 16 May 2020 03:53:54 +0100, williamwright wrote:

On 15/05/2020 16:56, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article op.0kn01ka0wdg98l@glass, says...

I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard "drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry, unless made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

We do many things backwards. We park our cars in the driveway and drive
on the parkways.

Your candidates run for office. Ours stand.

Don't be absurd, an American cannot possibly run.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-hB-sZIPBIk/hqdefault.jpg

Especially a pig.
https://youtu.be/MdkbxghMvYA

On Sat, 16 May 2020 06:17:05 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 15/05/2020 23:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:27:13 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:10 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 21:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 19:28:00 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

I still buy 2 by 1, but the blasted stuff sold
as PAR (planed all round) is nowhere near 2 x 1.

Local builder's merchant here sells what I ask for. They have several
sizes.
oooh lucky you .... four by two is the rough sawn size....when
planed it
is smaller....

Mine sells by the mm. They quote on the website the precise size it is
when you buy it. Why would I want to buy a rough size which may not
match what I already have? Your houses must end up really wonky.
It's just just they way things are.....

Don't accept inferior products. If you buy something that's supposed to
16 of something, and it's 15, that's not fit for purpose.
so you just throw away the traditions of the building industry ? ...

I prefer to get what I ask for, not something that's traditional. Would you buy a traditional cuckoo clock that couldn't keep the correct time?

On Sat, 16 May 2020 15:18:20 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

Drywall is a panel made of gypsum plaster pressed between two thick
sheets of paper. It is used to make interior walls and ceilings.

There's a the problem, it's not dryWALL if it's on the ceiling!

Drywall construction became prevalent as a speedier alternative to traditional
lath and plaster.

But nothing like as good as wood.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 06:17:48 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 15/05/2020 23:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 22:28:17 +0100, Jim GM4DHJ ...
wrote:

On 15/05/2020 22:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2020 21:52:05 +0100, Scott Lurndal
wrote:

Andrew writes:
On 15/05/2020 18:24, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 15/05/2020 16:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I was astonished to find Americans actually call plasterboard
"drywall" even if it's on a ceiling! So not a wall!

Daft in the first place to say "drywall", as all walls are dry,
unless
made of mud, which is still dry once it's set.

Lath and plaster with horse hair is a wet wall....


They say two by four as well ....

I always thought they called it SheetRock ?.

SheetRock is a brand name.

It's known regionally by different names, gypboard, drywall, sheetrock,
blueboard/greenboard (mold resistant), etc.

Whatever it's called, it's ****. It's powder held together with paper.
Use wood for crying out loud. No crumbling, easier to remove, easier to
screw things into like a picture frame etc.
easier to go up in flames....needs a spread of flame rating ...

Top tip - don't light fires inside your house.
Lets all do that and we can save a fortune on the fire service ....

I've managed to never do so, maybe you should be more careful?

Only house fires I know of a

My friend when I was at school set fire to a chip pan by forgetting it as on, and simply carried it outside.

My neighbour's roof caught fire because the incoming electricity feed (going into the attic!) came loose from it's mounting and shorted. 6 months after I had warned him it was loose and he said "not my problem, it's up to the electricity board". He lost his whole roof, including many family photos stored up there, and had builders repairing it on the insurance for a couple of months, while he rented another place, also at their expense. I was astonished that the fire service had no ability to turn off the power, and also wouldn't use their hoses without turning it off (they could have just earthed them). 30 minutes was wasted waiting in the middle of the night for the electricity board to come out and turn it off. Not sure who ended up paying. He claimed everything from the insurance, but if I was the insurance company, the electric board and the fire service would have been in big trouble.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 07:17:40 +0100, Clare Snyder wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2020 06:19:35 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote:



No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?
Easy - just remove and replace the plasterboard

Which makes a ****ing mess. Removing plasterboard (especially if the builder has never heard of screws and still uses nails) causes huge amounts of powder everywhere.

On Sat, 16 May 2020 14:34:50 +0100, Xeno wrote:

On 16/5/20 3:19 pm, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:


No crumbling, easier to remove,

Wrong, as always.

ever tried removing tiles from plasterboard....?

Just replace the plasterboard sheet as part of the repair/rebuild. It
isn't hard.

Do you like replacing two things instead of one?