On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/







It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end, just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he? That's what you morons believe.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:50:47 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

Of which YOU would be a PRIME example, dreckserb!

--
Retarded, anal, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident
psychopath, dumb serbian bitch G. Razovic (aka "The Rectum").

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 05:58:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Yep, and you can't get any more stupid than that.

Nor can you and the retarded serbian psycho! G

--
Bod addressing senile Rot:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
Message-ID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:53:48 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:


Intelligent people know that the rules of grammar, which have evolved
over MANY years, are a given and are sensible. If everyone started
making up their own grammar rules, you'd end up without a ****ing language.

Complete NONSENSE as the creation of French grammar showed, retarded serb
peasant!

--
tomcov about poor psychotic asshole Razovic:
"Assholes come
Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
MID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:01:35 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:33:08 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:45:28 +0100, GB wrote:

How far has this 90% of the population got? Dead end jobs and massive
credit card debt.

Banks are the stupid ones for lending to those who cannot afford. They
lost, they don't have to be paid back :-)

Lending always carries a risk.

And they ****ed up big time, hence all those banks going belly up.

Careless lending in the past has resulted in the tight credit squeeze
you see today.

What tight credit squeeze? I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit card companies.

Those who default on their loans suffer the consequences.

No, unsecured loans can **** off.

No more credit for them, then. Ever.

I doubt they want any more.

You'll end up writing in textspeak, wontcha m8!

Which is easily understood.

Only by cretins glued to their smartphones all day. Are you one?

No, my phone is for texts and calls. I wouldn't dream of trying to use
the internet ion a 4" screen.

So do you spend all day glued to your smartphone texting people?

No, I use it to send a quick message, like "running late, be there at 11."

Probably while you're driving...drunk!

I did once text while driving with a broken arm. I can multitask you see.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:56:52 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:

FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest absolutely idiotic
bull****

....and nothing's left, as usual! LOL

--
Dumb anal Razovic's confession on June 30th, 2018:
"Oh no I got a jew hair in my mouth from sucking jew ani"
MID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:58:53 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end, just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was

Nope, no convicts what so ever.

and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same ****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

That's how genes work.

For some things, like the size of your nose. But being a criminal is probably more your upbringing.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you the
one who was going on about god earlier?

Yep, and you can't get any more stupid than that.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, we should have got rid of that **** by now.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:01:35 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:

FLUSH all the psychopathic bull****

....and nothing's left, AGAIN! LOL

--
"GB" adressing poor dumb anal Razovic:
"You really are painfully stupid, as well as deranged."
MID:

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 06:01:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Nope, they get safer wiring.

Something appears not to be correctly "wired" inside your and his sick head!
LOL

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 05:56:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two asshole trolls' troll****

--
Bill Wright to Rot Speed:
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****."
MID:

On 6/13/2019 1:35 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:53:48 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:34:39 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:42:07 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:25 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:24:48 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention to
these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one
is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/









It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people who
think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Any unnecessary rules are OCD.

There are no unnecessary rules in grammar.* It is what it is.

"It is what it is" says it all - you're a robot that follow rules
without understanding.

What's there to understand?* The grammar is there, you learn it, end of
****ing story.

No, you use the rules that make sense.* Intelligent people know which
rules are sensible.* "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the
guidance of wise men".

Intelligent people know that the rules of grammar, which have evolved
over MANY years, are a given and are sensible.* If everyone started
making up their own grammar rules, you'd end up without a ****ing
language.

People with a brain can choose which rules to bother following.

People with a brain don't need to choose which rules to follow. They
have better things to occupy their minds with. You obviously don't.

Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Yes, they're both pointless.

For morons like you who think that only the laws of physics have to be
obeyed.

I know only the laws of physics have to be obeyed.* Do you stop at a red
light when you can see there's nothing coming?

Of course. It's the law. Don't you?

On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****? God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit. Apart from original sin, of course.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

On 6/13/2019 1:52 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:01:35 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:33:08 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:45:28 +0100, GB
wrote:

How far has this 90% of the population got?* Dead end jobs and
massive
credit card debt.

Banks are the stupid ones for lending to those who cannot afford.
They
lost, they don't have to be paid back :-)

Lending always carries a risk.

And they ****ed up big time, hence all those banks going belly up.

Careless lending in the past has resulted in the tight credit squeeze
you see today.

What tight credit squeeze?* I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit
card companies.

Yes, but wait till you actually try to apply for a card.

Those who default on their loans suffer the consequences.

No, unsecured loans can **** off.

No more credit for them, then.* Ever.

I doubt they want any more.

Of course they do. Everyone wants credit so that they can live outside
their means.

You'll end up writing in textspeak, wontcha m8!

Which is easily understood.

Only by cretins glued to their smartphones all day.* Are you one?

No, my phone is for texts and calls.* I wouldn't dream of trying to
use
the internet ion a 4" screen.

So do you spend all day glued to your smartphone texting people?

No, I use it to send a quick message, like "running late, be there at
11."

Probably while you're driving...drunk!

I did once text while driving with a broken arm.* I can multitask you see.

You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:58:53 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was

Nope, no convicts what so ever.

and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same ****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

That's how genes work.

For some things, like the size of your nose.

And how your brain works.

But being a criminal is probably more your upbringing.

That's certainly part of it, but its also in your genes, most
obviously with those who choose to ignore the law etc.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you
the
one who was going on about god earlier?

Yep, and you can't get any more stupid than that.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, we should have got rid of that **** by
now.

Cant see it. Its essentially a crutch for their pathetically inadequate
'minds'

The just cant accept that no individual is any more significant
than pond slime, that there is no purpose to life and that we
will all die and cease to exist sometime.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:10:27 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:58:53 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was

Nope, no convicts what so ever.

and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same ****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

That's how genes work.

For some things, like the size of your nose.

And how your brain works.

Nope, I know a very clever woman who is the daughter of two dopey council estate parents.

But being a criminal is probably more your upbringing.

That's certainly part of it, but its also in your genes, most
obviously with those who choose to ignore the law etc.

Bull****. Neither of my parents ever break the law.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you
the
one who was going on about god earlier?

Yep, and you can't get any more stupid than that.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, we should have got rid of that **** by
now.

Cant see it. Its essentially a crutch for their pathetically inadequate
'minds'

The just cant accept that no individual is any more significant
than pond slime, that there is no purpose to life and that we
will all die and cease to exist sometime.

We should have got rid of the stupid folk by now, but we keep on protecting them....

On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns more government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They referred to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.


So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

--
Adam

On 6/13/2019 2:24 PM, ARW wrote:
On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second one is
FAR more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns more government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They referred to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.


So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

It's certainly beginning to look that way.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:01:17 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

Which part of you does the "thinking", gay anal Razovic? We all know it:
it's your over-excited asshole! LOL

--
Dumb anal serb peasant Goran Razovic and her "Latin" she learned from her
limey priests:
"Caco ergo sum."
MID:

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:10:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH all the incredibly idiotic ****

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own ****?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the ****."

MID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:58:50 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:

FLUSH 165 !!! lines of the psychopathic assholes ****

....and nothing's left! LOL

--
The REAL "GB" addressing psychopathic loser Razovic on Usenet:
"You are so sad and wretched. How could one not feel pity for you? A
foul, loathsome creature, wallowing in your own filth. Never seeing the
light of day. A life utterly wasted."
MID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:03:51 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:


You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

BOTH of you two clinically insane are not supposed to be breathing!

--
The REAL "GB" adressing poor dumb anal Razovic:
"You really are painfully stupid, as well as deranged."
MID:

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:47:24 -0700, clinically insane, serbian bitch
Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual
cripple, IMPERSONATING her master "GB", farted again:


So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

It's certainly beginning to look that way.

To someone clinically insane, yes, psycho! BG

--
Avenging Angel to dumb anal Razovic:
"You however are a stain on humanity that needs to be bleached out."
MID: XnsA91566FBA6562greyghost471bazinga@85

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:47:24 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 2:24 PM, ARW wrote:
On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is
FAR more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns more government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They referred to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.


So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

It's certainly beginning to look that way.

Talking of it's. Explain to me, logically, not just "it's the rules", why it's cannot be possessive. John's car. Fred's motorcycle. The tree's leaves. It's doorhandle.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:24:28 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns more government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They referred to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

How do you split the proceeds when they only stole one?

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:03:51 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:52 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:01:35 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:33:08 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:45:28 +0100, GB
wrote:

How far has this 90% of the population got? Dead end jobs and
massive
credit card debt.

Banks are the stupid ones for lending to those who cannot afford.
They
lost, they don't have to be paid back :-)

Lending always carries a risk.

And they ****ed up big time, hence all those banks going belly up.

Careless lending in the past has resulted in the tight credit squeeze
you see today.

What tight credit squeeze? I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit
card companies.

Yes, but wait till you actually try to apply for a card.

Well they're trying to find customers. So no credit squeeze. Anyway, so what if there is, it would be better if nobody ever lent anyone anything.

Those who default on their loans suffer the consequences.

No, unsecured loans can **** off.

No more credit for them, then. Ever.

I doubt they want any more.

Of course they do. Everyone wants credit so that they can live outside
their means.

Once they get 70 grand they never have to pay back, they don't care.

You'll end up writing in textspeak, wontcha m8!

Which is easily understood.

Only by cretins glued to their smartphones all day. Are you one?

No, my phone is for texts and calls. I wouldn't dream of trying to
use
the internet ion a 4" screen.

So do you spend all day glued to your smartphone texting people?

No, I use it to send a quick message, like "running late, be there at
11."

Probably while you're driving...drunk!

I did once text while driving with a broken arm. I can multitask you see.

You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

Driving is already multitasking.

And there you go again with your silly little rules. "Not supposed to be". Those with intelligence do what they believe is right, not what everyone else believes is right.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:01:17 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he? That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****? God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit. Apart from original sin, of course.

Every moron like yourself that believes in god told me it. Or have you guys changed your tune to suit the situation like you usually do. You're just like those greenies. Global warming suddenly becomes climate change when they realise it might not be warmer but something else. Let's cover all the bases. If anything changes about the climate, we'll blame it on the CO2 emissions. It never would have changed by itself....

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

You follow the rules, you think inside the box, I'm the one that thinks for himself, outside the box.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:56:34 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:07:45 +0100, tim...
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own
home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is FAR
more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

Not helped by it being wrong

You CAN add an extra socket as a spur yourself (subject to it being a
valid
place to add a spur)

It's adding socket as part of the ring that you can't do

Why would one be more dangerous than the other?

Its not dangerous to the individual, it's the fire risk.

Which could happen equally with either if done wrong.

In fact it's more likely you **** up a spur, like using 15A cable because
you only put one socket there.

That's wrong too.

15A cable protected by a 30A fuse is a fire risk.

The whole idea of the ring main is dangerous anyway.

Nope.

If one cable breaks, it continues working

Yes.

with inadequate protection at the fusebox.

Nope.

One 15A cable, one 30A fuse, whoops, no tripping. Much better to use 30A cable and not have a ring, just a straight line. Rings were invented to save copper after the war and are dangerous.

In article ,
says...

People with a brain don't need to choose which rules to follow. They
have better things to occupy their minds with. You obviously don't.

Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Yes, they're both pointless.

For morons like you who think that only the laws of physics have to be
obeyed.

I know only the laws of physics have to be obeyed.* Do you stop at a red
light when you can see there's nothing coming?

Of course. It's the law. Don't you?



What about the message 'rule' that says to only quote a few lines insted
of the whole message. I seldom look at messages that are a page or more
long and then have one or two sentences at the end.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:26:45 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:19:24 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:16:18 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to
your
own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one
is
FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring
to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

I guess it's one of those rules that nobody understands. A (Scottish,
therefore not subject to part P) electrician told me you couldn't even
replace a lightswitch in England without a certificate.

That is not what the list you posted said in things you can do.

+1

The list is also somewhat contradictory and stupid in at leas some places.
Like:

DIY Not allowed:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip


Allowed:

Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like
Make repairs to loose wirings in switches, light fittings, or plugs
Replace light switches
Replace sockets

So if you have a light fixture with an obvious short, you can't
replace it yourself. And good luck enforcing that BS.

You're not allowed to install a "home entry system". What's that?
Security alarm?

I think they are saying that if you have a wiring fault you should
call a pro but you can throw a receptacle, switch or luminaire at it
to see if that fixes anything first.

I doubt many of us on the left side of the pond know much about
ring circuits but it might be confusing the first time you see one.

Not really, the main difference is the fusing. All pretty simple really.

The fusing isn't different at all. The difference is instead of a 30A cable, we use two 15A cables. Saves on copper after the war....

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:25:01 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:19:24 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:16:18 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is
FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

I guess it's one of those rules that nobody understands. A (Scottish, therefore not subject to part P) electrician told me you couldn't even replace a lightswitch in England without a certificate.

That is not what the list you posted said in things you can do.

+1

The list is also somewhat contradictory and stupid in at leas some places.
Like:

DIY Not allowed:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip


Allowed:

Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like
Make repairs to loose wirings in switches, light fittings, or plugs
Replace light switches
Replace sockets

So if you have a light fixture with an obvious short, you can't
replace it yourself. And good luck enforcing that BS.

You're not allowed to install a "home entry system". What's that?
Security alarm?

I think they are saying that if you have a wiring fault you should
call a pro but you can throw a receptacle, switch or luminaire at it
to see if that fixes anything first.

Which is insane, because an idiot could just as easily cause a fire by replacing a switch badly.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:35:44 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:43:03 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

Pat Sajak said it best:

"Only when we have enough laws to properly govern our behavior can we
truly enjoy the freedoms of America".

He was entirely wrong. There is no freedom with all these rules. Leave us alone!

Fortunately, other than being a game show host, nobody listens to Pat
Sajack about much of anything.
Here in Florida we may not be able to count votes but we can do our
own electrical work and damned near anything else in our own home.
You can pull your own permit for anything from a total house rewire to
doing all of the plumbing and all of the HVAC, along with building the
whole house yourself.
In my area they aren't even very particular about getting a permit if
you can't see the work from the street.
You can count on the tax man showing up tho. He is airborne.

In Scotland I can do anything I like unless it impinges on a neighbour. I can build a garage, a conservatory, I can do anything electrical. Not gas, but who can see :-) An extension to the house apparently needs planning permission, but all that means is paying a small fee and having all the neighbours the opportunity to say "it would block my light". But if it's got enough windows, it's called a conservatory and is exempt :-)

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:04:23 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

[snipped spurious newsgroups,

They're relevant newsgroups, arsehole.

added by pet troll]

Why do you keep replying to a thread created by someone you call a troll? Are you a ****ing idiot? Learn to operate your killfile properly.

On 12/06/2019 18:16, Brian Reay wrote:
On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to
your own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one is FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

The article quoted is full of nonsense anyway.

Excuse me while I laugh "theyre a legal requirement and are strictly
enforced.", yeah right.

Part P does not have a requirement to use a "fully qualified"
electrician. In cases were work is notifiable, work would need to either:

1) be done by someone who is a member of a competent person scheme;
(might be someone who has done a part P domestic installer course, and
does not know ohms law from his elbow).

2) be done under the auspices of building control;

3) be tested and signed off by someone who is a member of a third party
inspection scheme.

(the latter option being newer than the first two)

Of their list of "notifiable jobs". The following are not notifiable:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip
Install outdoor or garden lights that run off mains electricity
Install additional sockets or a light switch as a spur from a ring main
Install communal hallway smoke alarms or emergency lighting
Install home entry systems
Install electric radiators (where there werent any before)

There are only a small number of notifiable jobs now:

Installing a new circuit
Replacement of a Consumer unit

So was I a naughty boy when I moved my consumer unit to another room? What about my gas pipe? It's my ****ing house, nobody's business.

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 00:02:52 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:03:40 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:47:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:06:34 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:30:00 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:57:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:45:27 +0100, Rod Speed

wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to
these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket
to
your
own home,

That's a pig ignorant lie.

Well that's what the link says.

Its wrong.

It is interest ring that the people who still live under a queen

They dont.

can't read the queen's English

That isnt Liz's english.

"Repairs you can do yourself

However, there are some jobs that you can do yourself without
calling
in a qualified electrician as long as you are competent with
DIY/Handyman works around the house. These do not fall under €˜Part
P
guidelines, so you dont have to notify your local building
control
body if you want to:

Replace light bulbs or plug fuses
Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like"

In fact you are free to add a new socket to the ring main too.

You can do what the **** you like as it's in your own home and
nobody
inspects it.

I meant its legal to do that.

Apparently not, only replacing existing ones.

Wrong, ask Adam.

Like he'd know any more than any other electrician.

Corse he knows whats legal.

You claimed mine didn't.

He clearly doesnt.

I don't think anybody does, or cares.

Adam lives in a council house, mine owns three properties.

Irrelevant to how well yours knows the english regulations.

I doubt Adam is any more intelligent than my bloke.

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 23:50:03 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 12/06/2019 21:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

For the current state of the flat. If he modifies it, new work isn't
covered. Obviously a certificate doesn't cover work in the future!!

The job creation scheme for pointless bureaucrats covering electrical
work concerns the wiring, not the fittings.

Besides, the paperwork doesn't specify in detail what has been done, so
who's to know if something is changed later?

Indeed, it's all a crock of ****, as they say in Australia.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:10:27 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:58:53 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you
referring
to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?
They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from? Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant. Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it. If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was

Nope, no convicts what so ever.

and has inherited criminal tendencies. Same ****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

That's how genes work.

For some things, like the size of your nose.

And how your brain works.

Nope,

Yep.

I know a very clever woman who is the daughter of two dopey council estate
parents.

But intelligence is in fact considerably genetically determined, stupid.

But being a criminal is probably more your upbringing.

That's certainly part of it, but its also in your genes, most
obviously with those who choose to ignore the law etc.

Bull****.

Fact.

Neither of my parents ever break the law.

Your problem is that you were dropped on your head when
they ****ed themselves laughing at your micro dick.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post. Aren't you
the
one who was going on about god earlier?

Yep, and you can't get any more stupid than that.

Indeed. This is the 21st century, we should have got rid of that ****
by
now.

Cant see it. Its essentially a crutch for their pathetically inadequate
'minds'

The just cant accept that no individual is any more significant
than pond slime, that there is no purpose to life and that we
will all die and cease to exist sometime.

We should have got rid of the stupid folk by now,

Not even possible, there will always be some that are more stupid
than others and given that the absolute vast majority of individuals
did believe in some god or other at one time, we clearly are still
improving the gene pool.

but we keep on protecting them....

We always do with kids particularly, stupid.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:24:28 +0100, ARW
wrote:

On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


It's not about safety. The electrician's union owns more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all? He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all? They referred to
an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

How do you split the proceeds when they only stole one?

They don't, the biggest goon grabs it.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:03:51 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:52 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:01:35 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:33:08 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:45:28 +0100, GB
wrote:

How far has this 90% of the population got? Dead end jobs and
massive
credit card debt.

Banks are the stupid ones for lending to those who cannot afford.
They
lost, they don't have to be paid back :-)

Lending always carries a risk.

And they ****ed up big time, hence all those banks going belly up.

Careless lending in the past has resulted in the tight credit squeeze
you see today.

What tight credit squeeze? I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit
card companies.

Yes, but wait till you actually try to apply for a card.

Well they're trying to find customers. So no credit squeeze.

You'd see the squeeze if you applied for the card, it would be refused.

Anyway, so what if there is, it would be better if nobody ever lent anyone
anything.

In that case you'd be camping in your car instead of 'living' in that house.

Those who default on their loans suffer the consequences.

No, unsecured loans can **** off.

No more credit for them, then. Ever.

I doubt they want any more.

Of course they do. Everyone wants credit so that they can live outside
their means.

Once they get 70 grand they never have to pay back,

That doesn't happen.

they don't care.

They do when they don't.

You'll end up writing in textspeak, wontcha m8!

Which is easily understood.

Only by cretins glued to their smartphones all day. Are you one?

No, my phone is for texts and calls. I wouldn't dream of trying to
use
the internet ion a 4" screen.

So do you spend all day glued to your smartphone texting people?

No, I use it to send a quick message, like "running late, be there at
11."

Probably while you're driving...drunk!

I did once text while driving with a broken arm. I can multitask you
see.

You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

Driving is already multitasking.

And there you go again with your silly little rules. "Not supposed to
be". Those with intelligence do what they believe is right, not what
everyone else believes is right.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:56:34 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:07:45 +0100, tim...
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own
home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second one is
FAR
more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

Not helped by it being wrong

You CAN add an extra socket as a spur yourself (subject to it being a
valid
place to add a spur)

It's adding socket as part of the ring that you can't do

Why would one be more dangerous than the other?

Its not dangerous to the individual, it's the fire risk.

Which could happen equally with either if done wrong.

Wrong. A ring main socket has something like half the ring
current going thru it when any of the sockets are delivering
power to anything plugged into them. The spur only has
that when what is plugged into its socket is taking power.

In fact it's more likely you **** up a spur, like using 15A cable
because
you only put one socket there.

That's wrong too.

15A cable protected by a 30A fuse is a fire risk.

The fuse is actually protecting against a much higher
current than the cable rating. The plug fuse will have
blown before the CU fuse unless someone does
something stupid and drives a nail thru the cable etc.

The whole idea of the ring main is dangerous anyway.

Nope.

If one cable breaks, it continues working

Yes.

with inadequate protection at the fusebox.

Nope.

One 15A cable, one 30A fuse, whoops, no tripping.

There is when someone puts a nail thru the cable.

A 15A cable will take 30A fine with no risk of fire forever.

Much better to use 30A cable and not have a ring, just a straight line.

That's wrong too. With no ring, there are a lot more
cables and so more risk of putting a nail thru one.

Rings were invented to save copper after the war

Yep.

and are dangerous.

Wrong.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...

People with a brain don't need to choose which rules to follow. They
have better things to occupy their minds with. You obviously don't.

Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Yes, they're both pointless.

For morons like you who think that only the laws of physics have to be
obeyed.

I know only the laws of physics have to be obeyed. Do you stop at a
red
light when you can see there's nothing coming?

Of course. It's the law. Don't you?



What about the message 'rule' that says to only quote a few lines insted
of the whole message.

There is no such rule and you didn't observe it yourself.

I seldom look at messages that are a page or more
long and then have one or two sentences at the end.

Your problem, as always.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:26:45 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:19:24 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:16:18 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to
your
own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one
is
FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd
be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry
referring
to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

I guess it's one of those rules that nobody understands. A
(Scottish,
therefore not subject to part P) electrician told me you couldn't
even
replace a lightswitch in England without a certificate.

That is not what the list you posted said in things you can do.

+1

The list is also somewhat contradictory and stupid in at leas some
places.
Like:

DIY Not allowed:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip


Allowed:

Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like
Make repairs to loose wirings in switches, light fittings, or plugs
Replace light switches
Replace sockets

So if you have a light fixture with an obvious short, you can't
replace it yourself. And good luck enforcing that BS.

You're not allowed to install a "home entry system". What's that?
Security alarm?

I think they are saying that if you have a wiring fault you should
call a pro but you can throw a receptacle, switch or luminaire at it
to see if that fixes anything first.

I doubt many of us on the left side of the pond know much about
ring circuits but it might be confusing the first time you see one.

Not really, the main difference is the fusing. All pretty simple really.

The fusing isn't different at all.

Corse it is. Much higher fuse ratings with a ring.

The difference is instead of a 30A cable, we use two 15A cables.

Wrong again. And a lot less cabling is required.

Saves on copper after the war....

Yes. But that isnt the only advantage of a ring.