On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible. It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year. I like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

On 2018-12-15 3:26 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will
be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are
underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires
(but underground mains wires).* Did they forget them when
building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was
collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses.* And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible.* It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year.* I like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

are you asking me or informing me ,
if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:10:39 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 3:26 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will
be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are
underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when
building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was
collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible. It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year. I like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

are you asking me or informing me ,

Well the question mark usually means asking.

if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

On 2018-12-15 4:45 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:10:39 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 3:26 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming
through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in
the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will
be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are
underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires
(but underground mains wires).* Did they forget them when
building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was
collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses.* And the overhead lines are
from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible.* It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy
season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year.* I
like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

are you asking me or informing me ,

Well the question mark usually means asking.

if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

no , not really , it doesn't make all that much difference in my day to
day living

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 00:00:00 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 4:45 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:10:39 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 3:26 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming
through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in
the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will
be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are
underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when
building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was
collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are
from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible. It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy
season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year. I
like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

are you asking me or informing me ,

Well the question mark usually means asking.

if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

no , not really , it doesn't make all that much difference in my day to
day living

Scandinavians get a lot of depression and suicides because of it.

On 12/15/18 2:53 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

You can get a substantial spike on underground phone lines with a close
lightning strike. You can also get the underground mulitipair cables fried
by lighting and have to be replaced after that too.

This wasn't a phone line but a single 14 awg wire buried on a loop.
It had a break in it because of a lightning strike. There was a hole in the
ground that went down to the wire buried maybe 30" deep. Corn stalks
adjacent to the hole were burned. They were still green in the rest of the
field.
The owner of the farm told me about the old timers talking about that
kind of stuff. He was skeptical and so was I. It happened there and in
at least one other place I remember.

On 2018-12-15 5:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 00:00:00 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 4:45 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:10:39 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 3:26 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:50:51 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:39 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:29:33 -0000, % % wrote:

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed

wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in
any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming
through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in
the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will
be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are
underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead
phone
wires
(but underground mains wires).* Did they forget them when
building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was
collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went
overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses.* And the overhead lines are
from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

Ground water is possible.* It's clay soil in my garden, and BT has a
problem with a wet junction box under the pavement in the culdesac.

If I dig, I get water only 2 feet below the ground in the rainy
season.

ROFL, rainy season, this is Scotland, so that's 364 days a year.* I
like
summer in Scotland, this year it was a Wednesday.

i live about 500 miles south of alaska ,
we don't have summer we have day time and night time

That far north isn't daytime 6 months and nighttime 6 months?

are you asking me or informing me ,

Well the question mark usually means asking.

if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

no , not really , it doesn't make all that much difference in my day to
day living

Scandinavians get a lot of depression and suicides because of it.

keep up with the vitamin , " d " and if you need ,
there are those glasses with the natural lighting and sun lamps

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:47:58 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but
I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they
were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

Not sure what you mean by "phone box on the house".

Quite a few phone systems have a phone box on the side
of the house where the phone wire coming to the house is
terminated and then there is a different cable into the house.
Hear its often called a Madison box.
https://www.tradezone.com.au/product...ver-22787.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93TBmmJyZY

Its not legally required and I don't have one at my place.
I have an underground service and have a conduit that
I put in the concrete slab on the ground before the slab
was poured. That comes up in the cavity of the 8" concrete
block front wall of the house and there is a wall plate with
a phone socket on it inside that room and that is where
I join the two cables, the one that comes from the pit
in the corner of the block of land which has the multipair
street cable going thru it down my side of the street and
the cable that loops thru the various phone sockets inside
the house. We don't have the master socket concept here,
the phone sockets are all wired in parallel electrically.

In the UK an underground twisted pair wire inside a plastic hose comes
right inside the house and terminates in a socket on the inside of a room
wall (same size as a lightswitch or power outlet).

So is mine.

There's no earthing anywhere,

We do sometimes have a lightning arrestor that can
be installed in the madison box, normally only seen
with overhead phone lines and normally only used
in very lightning prone areas. They are essentially
an spark gap type thing from the phone lines to
the earth which has to be run to the madison box.

unless it's further back at the exchange

There is that protection back at the exchange or the RIM or CMUX.

or a junction box.

There are pillars here where the various multipair cables
in the distribution area join the much bigger multipair
cables that go back to the exchange, RIM or CMUX.
https://say.telstra.com.au/res/image...001/Pillar.jpg

These don't have lightning arrestors normally.

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

OK, I thought you meant a block of flats/terrace houses.

What you got is just a policy change. We had that here. Our phone services
are all underground in the streets here, but the next few later were back on
the power poles for some reason I now forget and then back underground
again for the ones done later further out.

"Dean Hoffman" wrote in message
news
On 12/15/18 2:53 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

You can get a substantial spike on underground phone lines with a close
lightning strike. You can also get the underground mulitipair cables
fried
by lighting and have to be replaced after that too.

This wasn't a phone line but a single 14 awg wire buried on a loop.
It had a break in it because of a lightning strike. There was a hole in
the
ground that went down to the wire buried maybe 30" deep. Corn stalks
adjacent to the hole were burned. They were still green in the rest of
the
field.
The owner of the farm told me about the old timers talking about that
kind of stuff. He was skeptical and so was I. It happened there and in
at least one other place I remember.

Interesting. Never seen that happen with an underground wire.

We do see that happen with fences at times and where someone
has run a cable along a fence so it doesn't get physically damaged.
That does usually kill whats plugged into that data line.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:41:06 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:



Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

You'd think the acid would only damage the outer layers of the eyeball, which should be repairable, unless it got inside the eye socket and dripped round the back?

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Can't you just rig something up with a Van-de-Graff or the insides of an insect zapper and a phone not connected to the main line?

Lightning is 1000's of times stronger than that. I guess I'll have to
settle for what hearing powers I have.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 09:55:23 -0000, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:41:06 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:



Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

You'd think the acid would only damage the outer layers of the eyeball, which should be repairable, unless it got inside the eye socket and dripped round the back?

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Can't you just rig something up with a Van-de-Graff or the insides of an insect zapper and a phone not connected to the main line?

Lightning is 1000's of times stronger than that. I guess I'll have to
settle for what hearing powers I have.

But the small amount that comes through the phone and into you is much much less, or you'd be dead.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 04:55:23 -0500, micky, a mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

Good Lord! Yet another brain damaged senile Yank who is thankful that some
sociopathic Scottish troll and attention whore keeps baiting him! tsk

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:16:10 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Interesting. Never seen that happen with an underground wire.

We do see that happen with fences at times and where someone
has run a cable along a fence so it doesn't get physically damaged.
That does usually kill whats plugged into that data line.

What is this **** about now again? Is this still about eyeballs? BG

F'up to alt.idiots where all your sick **** belongs.

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:38:53 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


OK, I thought

Good one, senile idiot! BG

F'up to alt.idiots

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:09:18 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Quite a few phone systems have a phone box on the side

Is this about phone boxes or eyeballs, you ****ing stupid senile troll?

F'up to alt.idiots again

--
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp addressing Rot Speed:
"You really are a clueless pillock."
MID:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers, I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them. Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line, although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...


--
Tony Sayer

if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

no , not really , it doesn't make all that much difference in my day to
day living

Scandinavians get a lot of depression and suicides because of it.

Seasonal Affective Disorder syndrome, SAD, well known in those places
even affects people in the lower 52 deg latitudes used to live with a
lady thus affected;!..

Lack of sunlight in the main..
--
Tony Sayer

I

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine
is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there
probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or
satellite dishes.

We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

--
Tony Sayer

On 16/12/2018 12:30, tony sayer wrote:
if you're asking , yes it is ,
if you're informing ,
i get about 22 hours of day in summer ,
and about 22 of dark in winter

Does the 2 hours light in winter not **** you off?

no , not really , it doesn't make all that much difference in my day to
day living

Scandinavians get a lot of depression and suicides because of it.

Seasonal Affective Disorder syndrome, SAD, well known in those places
even affects people in the lower 52 deg latitudes used to live with a
lady thus affected;!..

Lack of sunlight in the main..

I take vitamin D as just another pill in the collection these days.

it's not expensive and it does no harm - and may do some good.



--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers, I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them. Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line, although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike, but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into computers, so a spark gap takes that off. If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole thing would literally explode - just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two, explosively.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 +0000, tony sayer, another brain dead,
troll-feeding senile idiot blathered:

Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Is this still about "eyeballs", you two ****ed up endlessly blathering
abnormal idiots? LOL

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:30:22 +0000, tony sayer, another brain damage,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, driveled again:

Seasonal Affective Disorder syndrome, SAD, well known in those places
even affects people in the lower 52 deg latitudes used to live with a
lady thus affected;!..

Lack of sunlight in the main..

What has this sick **** got to do with ANY of the groups you keep
crossposting it to, you driveling idiots?

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:36:09 +0000, tony sayer, another mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

Is this still about "eyeballs", you ****ed up senile driveling idiot?

In article ,
says...

I

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine
is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there
probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or
satellite dishes.

We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

Oh yes there is! (Well, it IS panto season!).

There is an earth rod in every cabinet - it's all run by
electrickery, after all, so you wouldn't want it floating!

However, at the point of entry into the house, there is an
isolator which passes the signal but prevents any nasties in
the house from damaging the equipment in the street.

Here's a typical example:

http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/1/...lland_CISP.jpg

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"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it
becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out
free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in
the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly
perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew
up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but
a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally
black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers,
I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards
were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them.
Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card
in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line,
although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed
on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in
the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike,

TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into
computers, so a spark gap takes that off.

Not convinced that it does now with modern electronics.
Works fine for primitive non electronic phones tho.

If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole
thing would literally explode

They don't actually.

- just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two,
explosively.

That's due to an effect you don't see with computers,
the sap vaporising and that gas blowing the trunk apart.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:53:06 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it
becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out
free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in
the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly
perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew
up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but
a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally
black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers,
I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards
were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them.
Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card
in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line,
although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed
on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in
the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike,

TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into
computers, so a spark gap takes that off.

Not convinced that it does now with modern electronics.
Works fine for primitive non electronic phones tho.

https://www.dehn-usa.com/sites/defau...e-ethernet.pdf

If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole
thing would literally explode

They don't actually.

Probably because it's rare for lightning to directly hit a computer. They don't tend to be operated outside on top of a hill.

- just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two,
explosively.

That's due to an effect you don't see with computers,
the sap vaporising and that gas blowing the trunk apart.

Pretty much anything will explode when huge currents go through it. The capacitors for a start - as a kid I used to overvolt them for nice little fireworks.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:53:06 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

Is this still about "eyeballs", you two ****ed up, endlessly driveling
trolling idiots?

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:53:06 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it
becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out
free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both
in
the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was
"surprisingly
perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never
grew
up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in,
but
a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally
black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers,
I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards
were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them.
Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network
card
in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line,
although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and
landed
on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in
the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in
a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike,

TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires
into
computers, so a spark gap takes that off.

Not convinced that it does now with modern electronics.
Works fine for primitive non electronic phones tho.

https://www.dehn-usa.com/sites/defau...e-ethernet.pdf

If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole
thing would literally explode

They don't actually.

Probably because it's rare for lightning to directly hit a computer.

Nope, because there is nothing that explodes when that
much current goes thru it. The most you get is some of
the traces blown off, but that's not an explosion.

They don't tend to be operated outside on top of a hill.

Even when they are, they don't explode when struck by lightning.

People don't either and some of them do get struck by lightning.

- just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two,
explosively.

That's due to an effect you don't see with computers,
the sap vaporising and that gas blowing the trunk apart.

Pretty much anything will explode when huge currents go through it.

How odd that we don't have even a single example of
an exploded human after it has been struck by lightning.

The capacitors for a start - as a kid I used to overvolt them for nice
little fireworks.

That's not an explosion.

On 12/16/2018 9:36 AM, Terry Casey wrote:
In article ,
says...

I

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine
is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there
probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or
satellite dishes.

We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

Oh yes there is! (Well, it IS panto season!).

There is an earth rod in every cabinet - it's all run by
electrickery, after all, so you wouldn't want it floating!

However, at the point of entry into the house, there is an
isolator which passes the signal but prevents any nasties in
the house from damaging the equipment in the street.

Here's a typical example:

http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/1/...lland_CISP.jpg


That device says it includes surge protection, but does not show the
expected ground wire attachment point. My cable from the poles has a
smaller pass through device with a screw to tighten a ground wire into
it. I believe there is a filter at the power pole also.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:23:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH another 109 lines of stinking troll****

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Message-ID:

In article ,
says...

There is an earth rod in every cabinet - it's all run by
electrickery, after all, so you wouldn't want it floating!

However, at the point of entry into the house, there is an
isolator which passes the signal but prevents any nasties in
the house from damaging the equipment in the street.

Here's a typical example:

http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/1/...lland_CISP.jpg


That device says it includes surge protection, but does not show the
expected ground wire attachment point. My cable from the poles has a
smaller pass through device with a screw to tighten a ground wire into
it. I believe there is a filter at the power pole also.

I was specifically refering to a query about Virgin Media
cable in the UK which is all underground. Only BT and the
power companies are allowed overground distribution using
poles. The isolation is on the input and the cable is earthed
back at the street cabinet. The output side will be earthed to
the mains by the Set Top Box or internet router.

The one I linked to has provision for fixing screws - many
don't, as an internet search of your own will reveal. These
will simply clip into custom designed plastic housings with
security screws on the lid to prevent tampering.

The input cable will pass out of the back of the housing,
through a hole in the outside wall. All that will be visible
internally is the housing and the output socket

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On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 6:01:56 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 12/16/2018 9:36 AM, Terry Casey wrote:
In article ,
says...

I

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine
is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there
probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or
satellite dishes.

We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

Oh yes there is! (Well, it IS panto season!).

There is an earth rod in every cabinet - it's all run by
electrickery, after all, so you wouldn't want it floating!

However, at the point of entry into the house, there is an
isolator which passes the signal but prevents any nasties in
the house from damaging the equipment in the street.

Here's a typical example:

http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/1/...lland_CISP.jpg


That device says it includes surge protection, but does not show the
expected ground wire attachment point. My cable from the poles has a
smaller pass through device with a screw to tighten a ground wire into
it. I believe there is a filter at the power pole also.

It's likely designed to be used in a metal cabinet or housing which is bonded to ground. If used similar in a media distribution box in the house.

In article ,
Terry Casey scribeth thus
In article ,
says...

There is an earth rod in every cabinet - it's all run by
electrickery, after all, so you wouldn't want it floating!

However, at the point of entry into the house, there is an
isolator which passes the signal but prevents any nasties in
the house from damaging the equipment in the street.

Here's a typical example:

http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/1/...lland_CISP.jpg


That device says it includes surge protection, but does not show the
expected ground wire attachment point. My cable from the poles has a
smaller pass through device with a screw to tighten a ground wire into
it. I believe there is a filter at the power pole also.

I was specifically refering to a query about Virgin Media
cable in the UK which is all underground. Only BT and the
power companies are allowed overground distribution using
poles. The isolation is on the input and the cable is earthed
back at the street cabinet.


The output side will be earthed to
the mains by the Set Top Box or internet router.

How's that Terry seeing that most all of the net routers have a wall
wart supply and the only set top box here has a figure of 8 cable and no
earth?.

The one I linked to has provision for fixing screws - many
don't, as an internet search of your own will reveal. These
will simply clip into custom designed plastic housings with
security screws on the lid to prevent tampering.

The input cable will pass out of the back of the housing,
through a hole in the outside wall. All that will be visible
internally is the housing and the output socket


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In article ,
says...

In article ,
Terry Casey scribeth thus

The output side will be earthed to
the mains by the Set Top Box or internet router.

How's that Terry seeing that most all of the net routers have a wall
wart supply and the only set top box here has a figure of 8 cable and no
earth?.

Tony, yes, you are right but when I used to come into contact
with a lot of set top boxes, in particular, they were in metal
housings with three core mains leads.

Now, of course, it is all wall warts and plastic!

However, the fact remains that the customer side of the
isolator is never connected to earth, at least with Eastside
Cable, Encom, Bell Cablemedia, Cable & Wireless
Communications, ntl: and Virgin Media.

Of course, I have no knowledge of the many other companies
which have existed over the years but given that the isolator
is fitted immediately on entry to the building and there is no
guarantee that an earth connection would be conveniently
available, I think it highly unlikely.

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Bro when I was a kid I was playing on the trampoline with my brother; we had socks on and happened to get shocked in the eye. Ended up popping a blood vessel and it hurt for almost a week to blink or move around

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The mind boggles.
Is this a years old one again?
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"Damien" wrote in message
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Bro when I was a kid I was playing on the trampoline with my brother; we
had socks on and happened to get shocked in the eye. Ended up popping a
blood vessel and it hurt for almost a week to blink or move around

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It's not very old. According to al.howardknight.net it's dated 14 Dec 2018.

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On 12/06/2021 08:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
The mind boggles.
Is this a years old one again?
Brian

On 12/06/2021 05:15, Damien wrote:
Bro when I was a kid I was playing on the trampoline with my brother; we
had socks on and happened to get shocked in the eye. Ended up popping a
blood vessel and it hurt for almost a week to blink or move around


Before answering a 2 year old post from a broken website, please read
and digest this:
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 13:59:42 +0100, Fredxx posted for all of us to digest...


On 12/06/2021 05:15, Damien wrote:
Bro when I was a kid I was playing on the trampoline with my brother; we
had socks on and happened to get shocked in the eye. Ended up popping a
blood vessel and it hurt for almost a week to blink or move around


Before answering a 2 year old post from a broken website, please read
and digest this:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub

I will use this for my posts, thanks.

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