.... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv

....I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
wrote:

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

What else do you know? I'd Like to know how smart you are.

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
wrote:

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

What else do you know? I'd Like to know how smart you are.

I know how to keep an idiot in suspense? ;^)

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:36:10 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
wrote:

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

What else do you know? I'd Like to know how smart you are.

I know how to keep an idiot in suspense? ;^)

I have my doubts of your capability to do so. Or perhaps you just
entertain yourself.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:36:10 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
wrote:

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:17:21 -0700 (PDT), bob_villa
wrote:

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

What else do you know? I'd Like to know how smart you are.

I know how to keep an idiot in suspense? ;^)

Careful, Bob, you're going to end up in a battle of wits and you are
clearly unarmed.

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 5:57:18 PM UTC-5, Gordon Shumway wrote:

Careful, Bob, you're going to end up in a battle of wits and you are
clearly unarmed.

....just like you're clearly original?

On 04/25/2015 03:12 PM, Oren wrote:
... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv




Maybe you missed this


http://bigthink.com/Resurgence/shari...ox-news-parent

On 4/25/2015 4:12 PM, Oren wrote:
... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv


I can understand that. Cute toys, not very practical for most people yet.

On 4/26/2015 10:03 AM, trader_4 wrote:


A rider's POV video of BMW's electric motorcycle made me very envious.
Silent, great acceleration, very low center of mass. It even has
computer torque control for racing on slippery pavement.

I can see an electric being a good choice for a second car that
is used locally, for commuting to the train station work days,
etc. But the range and charging hassles wouldn't make it an
acceptable choice for my main car. Another drawback is what it
takes to get the amps required to charge it into your garage.
In some houses, that could be easy, ie if the panel is right there.
In others, if the panel is at the other end of the house with
a finished basement, no easy path to the garage, it could be a
big problem.


Range is one reason I'm not interested. Along with that, the initial
cost and the cost of a battery replacement about five years down the road.

What I'm also interested in, how good is the climate control? The
temperatures here can vary from below zero to about 100 at the extemes.
My present gas powered cars handle it with ease after a few minutes
driving. Can the electrics give me the same comfort?

They may be practical some time in the future, but my guess is an
alternate fuel will be the long term answer.

trader_4 wrote:

I can see an electric being a good choice for a second car that
is used locally, for commuting to the train station work days,
etc.

I kept my last second car (2004 Buick Century) for ten years. With
current battery technology I probably would have had to replace the
battery at least once during that time at a cost of several thousand
dollars. My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG and
cost 10K less than the Prius. Perhaps when the ten years is up on this
car things will have changed enough that an electric car will make
more sense to me.

On 4/25/2015 4:17 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 3:12:44 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

and what part don't you understand?

Gas is cheaper and people aren't buying the chintzy vehicles.

On 4/26/2015 12:19 PM, J0HNS0N wrote:
trader_4 wrote:

I can see an electric being a good choice for a second car that
is used locally, for commuting to the train station work days,
etc.

I kept my last second car (2004 Buick Century) for ten years. With
current battery technology I probably would have had to replace the
battery at least once during that time at a cost of several thousand
dollars. My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG and
cost 10K less than the Prius. Perhaps when the ten years is up on this
car things will have changed enough that an electric car will make
more sense to me.


Never made sense to me either. I only drive about 6,000 miles/year and
keep cars over 10 years. Who's ever heard of batteries lasting that
long? This is a DYI news group and I'll bet there are others like me
that have thrown out perfectly good battery operated tools because the
cost of battery replacement was more than the value of the tool.

Oren wrote:

WOW! What incredibly biased commentary.

Clearly, record #'s of Americans have electric cars to trade in. Since gas
prices have dropped so much, it's hardly surprising some of those people get
SUVs. I bet some of those SUVs are hybrids too, but of course, FOX would not
mention that.

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:56:24 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

...I knew who posted this even before I opened it. How sad...

What else do you know? I'd Like to know how smart you are.

I know how to keep an idiot in suspense? ;^)

Careful, Bob, you're going to end up in a battle of wits and you are
clearly unarmed.

"...The fight will start again after the following sentences
have been said by the referee: "En garde" (On guard), "Êtes-vous prêts
?" (Are you ready ?, to which the fencers have to answer yes), "Allez"
(Go)."

Touche`
--
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
-- Lily Tomlin

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 01:32:57 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

Advances in battery technology could mean lower replacement costs, among
other advantages.

Nevada Gov. Sandoval just captured away from California a Tesla plant
to build batteries. When asked about when they could start building,
the local board members asked if they had a shovel in the truck

Water is another story.
--
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
-- Lily Tomlin

On 4/26/15 1:28 PM, Bob F wrote:
Oren wrote:

WOW! What incredibly biased commentary.

Clearly, record #'s of Americans have electric cars to trade in. Since gas
prices have dropped so much, it's hardly surprising some of those people get
SUVs. I bet some of those SUVs are hybrids too, but of course, FOX would not
mention that.


The term SUV is meaningless to me. It seems to include my aunt's CR-V
(34 highway, 27 city, just a car that doesn't require her to bend over)
and a neighbor's Expedition.

On 2015-04-26, J0HNS0N wrote:

My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG.....

Which pretty much sucks, IMO.

I hadda '87 Civic Si hatchback which got 36-37 up until about 200K
miles. Then, mileaged diminished to a low of 32-33. For other
reasons, I hadda buy a Japanese DX tranny to replace the abused close
ratio Si tranny and the higher gearing brought my mileage back up to
about 36 mpg. The car was still getting 34+ when I sold it w/ 250K on
the odometer. So I'm kinda baffled by the praise for a fairly new car
that's getting 5 mpg less than a worn out ol' clunker made 27 yrs ago.

In short, car mileage on today's cars is less than what it was.
What's wrong with this picture?

nb

notbob wrote:
J0HNS0N wrote:

My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG.....

Which pretty much sucks, IMO.

I hadda '87 Civic Si hatchback which got 36-37 up until about 200K
miles. Then, mileaged diminished to a low of 32-33. For other
reasons, I hadda buy a Japanese DX tranny to replace the abused close
ratio Si tranny and the higher gearing brought my mileage back up to
about 36 mpg. The car was still getting 34+ when I sold it w/ 250K on
the odometer. So I'm kinda baffled by the praise for a fairly new car
that's getting 5 mpg less than a worn out ol' clunker made 27 yrs ago.

In short, car mileage on today's cars is less than what it was.
What's wrong with this picture?

depends upon which version too. my ancient DX
runs anywhere from 35 to 45mpg depending upon
what kind of driving i'm doing, but it has a
90something HP engine. others had other options
for more HP. i still enjoy driving it.


songbird

Oren wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:28:30 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

Clearly, record #'s of Americans have electric cars to trade in.

Not on my street. You live in Utopia?

No. I life in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in..._2010_2013.png

The chart makes it very clear that there are way more electric cars these days.


Everything else here in my 'hood is either a motor home, vettes,
diesel trucks, house wife grocery gitters or my 21 year old Ford
Bronco (one of many owned). I am considering a gas golf cart for beer
runs, if I can find one worth fixing.

Building batteries causes global climate change apocalypse according
to "you libs".

I never said anything of the sort. Nor have any "libs" that I know. You don't
have a clue what libs think. And you obviously believe every lie Fox "news"
tells you about libs.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 14:30:03 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

Building batteries causes global climate change apocalypse according
to "you libs".

I never said anything of the sort. Nor have any "libs" that I know. You don't
have a clue what libs think.

I never said you said anything. Yes. And. I do know libtards and have
a clue how they think.

On 26 Apr 2015 20:47:47 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2015-04-26, J0HNS0N wrote:

My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG.....

Which pretty much sucks, IMO.

The new car sticker said 29 city/38 highway/33 combined. If the
dashboard screen MPG computer is to be believed I can do much better
or much worse depending on how I drive it.

I hadda '87 Civic Si hatchback which got 36-37 up until about 200K
miles. Then, mileaged diminished to a low of 32-33. For other
reasons, I hadda buy a Japanese DX tranny to replace the abused close
ratio Si tranny and the higher gearing brought my mileage back up to
about 36 mpg. The car was still getting 34+ when I sold it w/ 250K on
the odometer.

So I'm kinda baffled by the praise for a fairly new car
that's getting 5 mpg less than a worn out ol' clunker made 27 yrs ago.

Praise I suppose as compared to my SUV (2014 Buick Enclave).

In short, car mileage on today's cars is less than what it was.
What's wrong with this picture?

Current engine emission controls? Current gasoline blends for emission
control?

the feds should require all electric cars come equipped with a hitch and power input jack. a standard all vehicles would use.

u haaul type places would rent. or vehicle owner could buy a unlimited extended range power trailer.

need your electric for a long trip?

just hitch up and go.

making this standard would help make it easier to use

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:21:17 -0400, songbird
wrote:

notbob wrote:
J0HNS0N wrote:

My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG.....

Which pretty much sucks, IMO.

I hadda '87 Civic Si hatchback which got 36-37 up until about 200K
miles. Then, mileaged diminished to a low of 32-33. For other
reasons, I hadda buy a Japanese DX tranny to replace the abused close
ratio Si tranny and the higher gearing brought my mileage back up to
about 36 mpg. The car was still getting 34+ when I sold it w/ 250K on
the odometer. So I'm kinda baffled by the praise for a fairly new car
that's getting 5 mpg less than a worn out ol' clunker made 27 yrs ago.

In short, car mileage on today's cars is less than what it was.
What's wrong with this picture?

depends upon which version too. my ancient DX
runs anywhere from 35 to 45mpg depending upon
what kind of driving i'm doing,

but it has a
90something HP engine. others had other options
for more HP. i still enjoy driving it.

That may be the difference. My 2014 Civic is 1.8L rated at 143 HP.

On 4/26/15 11:04 PM, bob haller wrote:
the feds should require all electric cars come equipped with a hitch and power input jack. a standard all vehicles would use.

u haaul type places would rent. or vehicle owner could buy a unlimited extended range power trailer.

need your electric for a long trip?

just hitch up and go.

making this standard would help make it easier to use

I believe the charger for a Chevy Volt takes 3.3 kW. A Briggs &
Stratton 30466 generator, 3.5 kW, weighs 133 pounds. That wouldn't need
a big trailer.

In 8 hours at half load, it would produce 13.6 kWh for 4 gallons of gas.
That looks like a dollar or so per kWh. Plugging in would be cheaper.

Around here, a lot of people use golf carts. Some are electric and
others hybrid. A neighbor had a hybrid that had sat in the garage 8
months. I thought the battery should be put on a smart charger at least
24 hours, but she stepped on the accelerator and it moved forward. She
pressed it harder and the very quiet engine started instantly to
supplement and charge the battery.

It seated two and had a sort of pickup-truck body. The battery looked
ordinary and inexpensive. That vehicle could handle lots of errands.

That's my personal experience with hybrids. The idea looks practical to me.

On Saturday, April 25, 2015 at 7:58:06 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 04/25/2015 03:12 PM, Oren wrote:
... Americans aren't buying what the administration is selling?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4196060117001/record-number-of-americans-trading-electric-cars-for-suvs/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/qjuy9qv


Maybe you missed this

http://bigthink.com/Resurgence/shari...ox-news-parent

Heck, the Saudis own stock in just about everything including real estate
in New York City if I'm not mistaken. I must wonder if the kingdom and its princes own a stake in ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Disney? I'm not trying to defend Fox News but just because someone owns a stake in something doesn't mean they control it. I'd suggest checking out who started Big Think and who runs it. Besides, I'm just trying to be fair and balanced. 8-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Think

[8~{} Uncle Monster

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 11:38:01 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 4/26/2015 12:19 PM, J0HNS0N wrote:
trader_4 wrote:

I can see an electric being a good choice for a second car that
is used locally, for commuting to the train station work days,
etc.

I kept my last second car (2004 Buick Century) for ten years. With
current battery technology I probably would have had to replace the
battery at least once during that time at a cost of several thousand
dollars. My current second car (2014 Honda Civic) gets 30+ MPG and
cost 10K less than the Prius. Perhaps when the ten years is up on this
car things will have changed enough that an electric car will make
more sense to me.


Never made sense to me either. I only drive about 6,000 miles/year and
keep cars over 10 years. Who's ever heard of batteries lasting that
long? This is a DYI news group and I'll bet there are others like me
that have thrown out perfectly good battery operated tools because the
cost of battery replacement was more than the value of the tool.

GASP! You mean you didn't recycle?! The Liberal tree and cloud huggers have hit squads that strike in the middle of the night. Your confession has earned you a 3:00am visit by the avenging angels. 8-)

[8~{} Uncle Monster

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 12:51:29 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 01:32:57 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

Advances in battery technology could mean lower replacement costs, among
other advantages.

Nevada Gov. Sandoval just captured away from California a Tesla plant
to build batteries. When asked about when they could start building,
the local board members asked if they had a shovel in the truck

Water is another story.
--
"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
-- Lily Tomlin

Heck, Tesla may wind up making more money selling just batteries for home and industrial use which may take a chunk out of utility power. 8-)

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ependence.html

https://tinyurl.com/qfb5sst

[8~{} Uncle Monster

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 11:14:27 PM UTC-5, J Burns wrote:
On 4/26/15 11:04 PM, bob haller wrote:
the feds should require all electric cars come equipped with a hitch and power input jack. a standard all vehicles would use.

u haaul type places would rent. or vehicle owner could buy a unlimited extended range power trailer.

need your electric for a long trip?

just hitch up and go.

making this standard would help make it easier to use

I believe the charger for a Chevy Volt takes 3.3 kW. A Briggs &
Stratton 30466 generator, 3.5 kW, weighs 133 pounds. That wouldn't need
a big trailer.

In 8 hours at half load, it would produce 13.6 kWh for 4 gallons of gas.
That looks like a dollar or so per kWh. Plugging in would be cheaper.

Around here, a lot of people use golf carts. Some are electric and
others hybrid. A neighbor had a hybrid that had sat in the garage 8
months. I thought the battery should be put on a smart charger at least
24 hours, but she stepped on the accelerator and it moved forward. She
pressed it harder and the very quiet engine started instantly to
supplement and charge the battery.

It seated two and had a sort of pickup-truck body. The battery looked
ordinary and inexpensive. That vehicle could handle lots of errands.

That's my personal experience with hybrids. The idea looks practical to me.

The Chevy Volt has an 85 hp gasoline engine motor/generator setup. At least as was reported in 2010. 8-)

http://www.motortrend.com/features/e..._how_it_ticks/

https://tinyurl.com/89aqqu5

[8~{} Uncle Monster

On 4/26/2015 4:47 PM, notbob wrote:
I hadda '87 Civic Si hatchback which got 36-37 up until about 200K
miles. Then, mileaged diminished to a low of 32-33. For other
reasons, I hadda buy a Japanese DX tranny to replace the abused close
ratio Si tranny and the higher gearing brought my mileage back up to
about 36 mpg. The car was still getting 34+ when I sold it w/ 250K on
the odometer. So I'm kinda baffled by the praise for a fairly new car
that's getting 5 mpg less than a worn out ol' clunker made 27 yrs ago.

In short, car mileage on today's cars is less than what it was.
What's wrong with this picture?

nb


Now days we have oxygenated gasohol. I've heard
that alcohol for fuel is a negative, it takes more
energy to plant, harrow, furrow, harvest, transport,
process, distill, transport, mix, and so on. Much
more efficient to drill, pump, frack, etc.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 6:32:16 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Now days we have oxygenated gasohol. I've heard
that alcohol for fuel is a negative, it takes more
energy to plant, harrow, furrow, harvest, transport,
process, distill, transport, mix, and so on. Much
more efficient to drill, pump, frack, etc.

....and, of course, you don't care THAT corn stores well and can feed millions. And I've heard the BS that it's feed (cattle/chicken)! GMAFB!

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:



Now days we have oxygenated gasohol. I've heard
that alcohol for fuel is a negative, it takes more
energy to plant, harrow, furrow, harvest, transport,
process, distill, transport, mix, and so on. Much
more efficient to drill, pump, frack, etc.

Not only that but it also much less efficient as a fuel. When I got
my last vehicle, it was Flex Fuel meaning I could use E85. I thought
with that so much cheaper it must be a good thing. When I did my
research, every one in the auto mags who did a comparison found that you
got much fewer MPG than with "regular" fuel. Doing the math, the loss in
the percentage of fuel economy was more than the cheapness of the fuel.
My experience (and that of most of the things on line) was that it was
actually MORE expensive to use E85.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 11:04:14 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
the feds should require all electric cars come equipped with a hitch and power input jack. a standard all vehicles would use.

u haaul type places would rent. or vehicle owner could buy a unlimited extended range power trailer.

need your electric for a long trip?

just hitch up and go.

making this standard would help make it easier to use

Yeah, that would be a great selling point for the consumer.
If you need to take a long trip, you can always go rent a
trailer.... Assuming the car has enough power to get to the
rental place and you want to be driving around with a trailer.
Or you could just buy a fuel efficient similar car, that
doesn't need a trailer with a generator.

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 8:26:16 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 6:32:16 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Now days we have oxygenated gasohol. I've heard
that alcohol for fuel is a negative, it takes more
energy to plant, harrow, furrow, harvest, transport,
process, distill, transport, mix, and so on. Much
more efficient to drill, pump, frack, etc.

...and, of course, you don't care THAT corn stores well and can feed millions. And I've heard the BS that it's feed (cattle/chicken)! GMAFB!

It can't feed millions when it's being diverted and turned
into fuel. That has cost the cost of food around the world
to go UP. Won't someone think of the children?

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 7:34:35 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:

It can't feed millions when it's being diverted and turned
into fuel.

One of your more brilliant statements...

On 4/27/2015 8:27 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:


Not only that but it also much less efficient as a fuel. When I got
my last vehicle, it was Flex Fuel meaning I could use E85. I thought
with that so much cheaper it must be a good thing. When I did my
research, every one in the auto mags who did a comparison found that you
got much fewer MPG than with "regular" fuel. Doing the math, the loss in
the percentage of fuel economy was more than the cheapness of the fuel.
My experience (and that of most of the things on line) was that it was
actually MORE expensive to use E85.


In or area, winter gas has 10% methanol and I lose about 2 mpg with it.
Some poor cow could be eating that corn and making me a steak!

On 2015-04-27, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

In or area, winter gas has 10% methanol and I lose about 2 mpg with it.
Some poor cow could be eating that corn and making me a steak!

Duh. Corn is easily renewable. Oil is not.

I don't give a rat's ass if ethanol only gets 50% of the pwr/mileage
one gets from oil. You'll be getting doodly-squat when all the oil is
gone.

You ppl seem to be laboring under the illusion that we'll always have
oil. Again, duh.

nb

On 4/27/2015 9:42 AM, notbob wrote:
Duh. Corn is easily renewable. Oil is not.

I don't give a rat's ass if ethanol only gets 50% of the pwr/mileage
one gets from oil. You'll be getting doodly-squat when all the oil is
gone.

You ppl seem to be laboring under the illusion that we'll always have
oil. Again, duh.

nb


http://www.ftpress.com/articles/arti...73021&seqNum=5

predicting when the oil supply will become a serious problem, petroleum
geologists focus on the peak oil point—the time when one-half of Earth's
oil has been exploited. This is usually projected to occur sometime
between 2020 and 2050, although a variety of experts believe it has
occurred already in the United States. The time of peak oil production
is important because we can assume that when that point is reached, the
price of oil will rise rapidly. The Energy Information Administration
presents a range of estimates for the time of world peak oil production,
from as early as 2020 to as far into the future as 2121.11
================================================
So, maybe as early as 2020, we'll have used HALF
the world's oil. We've been using the first half
over how many years? So we've got that many yet
to go?

Excuse me for not trembling. Did you read the bit
(not this link, but can be found on the web) that
says that ethanol takes almost exactly the same
ammount of energy (in petroleum) as what you get
out of the ethanol? It's an energy sink, not a
gain.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/27/2015 8:34 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 8:26:16 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
...and, of course, you don't care THAT corn stores
well and can feed millions. And I've heard the BS that
it's feed (cattle/chicken)! GMAFB!

It can't feed millions when it's being diverted and turned
into fuel. That has cost the cost of food around the world
to go UP. Won't someone think of the children?


Corn comes in a variety of types. We can cut
back on the ethanol corn, and plant more corn
suited for feeding the starving children.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/27/2015 8:34 AM, trader_4 wrote:

Won't someone think of the children?


Corn comes in a variety of types. We can cut
back on the ethanol corn, and plant more corn
suited for feeding the starving children.

Something tells me he was being sarcastic? (not tongue in cheek but thumb in his ass)