On 11/25/2014 02:36 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:51:18 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:36 PM, philo wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:20 PM, Oren wrote:
snipped but read

Calm down. I hear you.

Done venting

I find that telling people to calm down
seldom has the desired effect.

Try Duct Tape over the lips. At least you may not be bitten.

Let Philo vent, gosh dang it.




That's OK I have plonked Stormin Mormon a long time ago after his
light bulb tirade so I no longer see his posts.


I'm too old to deal with that kind of BS

On 11/25/2014 02:08 PM, nestork wrote:
Oren:

I expect Philo was upset by my saying that nothing beats a good looting
spree to update a person's wardrobe, get a flat panel HD TV and restock
one's liquor cabinet.

My point there was that the looting that was reported to be going on
last night has nothing to do with race relations or getting justice for
Michael Brown. It is pure opportunism. Looters are using the Grand
Jury decision as an EXCUSE to break into stores and steal things. If it
were about racism, those looters would choose a more productive way to
express their anger at the Grand Jury decision by appealing to the
prosecutor to go ahead with charging the cop anyhow.

But, it's not about that. It's about using that Grand Jury decision as
an excuse to break into stores and steal things.

I don't feel my remarks were racist because I was being critical of the
looters since looting is in no way a reasonable response to the Grand
Jury decision. It's lawlessness and theft trying to disguise itself as
a reaction to the Grand Jury decision.

They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.






Even though I had replied in your thread my remarks were /not/ directed
at you. There is absolutely /no/ excuse for looting and those people
indeed were 100% wrong.

Sorry that I put my remarks in your thread, I should have placed my
comment elsewhere.

My anger was directed at a few ultra-racists who I will no longer see in
my feed.

On 11/25/2014 02:36 PM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:08:22 -0700, nestork
wrote:


..snip...
They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.

Picking up bits and pieces of watching what's going on:
police line was firing tear gas into crowds, ...outside the police station
didn't see ANY police presence protecting all that private property though
Bless these people...citizens stood around the front of one store with
their arms locked to prevent looting.
Sadly, as one citizen said, "where am I going to buy my groceries now?"

Facts still remain; deadly force was used. Well, what do you expect with
the militarization of the police force? Seems like a LOT of shots, too.
At least at Waco, Feinstein complemented the FBI agents on their
marksmanship.



Yes. Super dumb reaction.

Ghandi and MLK are turning over in their graves.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:27:57 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

I find that telling people to calm down
seldom has the desired effect.


If said incorrectly, appears as a 'control' statement. If said correctly,
can actually defuse a situation. But I'm probably more like you, Don't
tell ME to calm down, YOU'RE not in control here. However, oddly, the
person who maintains 'cool' is the winner and the one who blows their
stack is the loser.

I've had a confined individual tell me he had a "space ship" in his
cell. No need to argue with him, I'd never convince him.

He later called the facility, gave his name as Oren, when I happened
to be manning the operator lines on a busy day

Oh the memory... I fought against my Lieutenant giving this guy candy
bars just to shut him up. If you gave him raisin bran cereal or corn
flakes he would flick it under the cell door. He liked the candy.

On 11/25/2014 3:36 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:51:18 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:36 PM, philo wrote:
On 11/25/2014 01:20 PM, Oren wrote:
snipped but read

Calm down. I hear you.

Done venting

I find that telling people to calm down
seldom has the desired effect.

Try Duct Tape over the lips. At least you may not be bitten.

Let Philo vent, gosh dang it.


Oh, calm down! I'll use duct tape next time.

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Learn about Jesus
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On 11/25/2014 4:53 PM, philo wrote:

My anger was directed at a few ultra-racists who I will no longer see in
my feed.

HONKY! HONKY! HONKY!


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Learn about Jesus
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I heard this morning on TV that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown SIX TIME in the stomach and chest.

I'm having trouble with that.

On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three max. before going down.

The only time you see an actor take anything over three bullets without going down is if they're playing a zombie. (You can't kill a zombie becaue they're already dead.)

Am I the only one that figures Wilson pumping 6 rounds into Brown wasn't called for. The only way I could see that is if Wilson pumped more bullets into Brown AFTER HE WAS ALREDY DOWN, and I don't like the sound of that.

I heard that this morning on TV. Were they mistaken?

On 11/25/2014 06:18 PM, nestork wrote:
I heard this morning on TV that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown
SIX TIME in the stomach and chest.

I'm having trouble with that.

On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three
max. before going down.


TV bears no resemblance to real life

The only time you see an actor take anything over three bullets without
going down is if they're playing a zombie. (You can't kill a zombie
becaue they're already dead.)

Am I the only one that figures Wilson pumping 6 rounds into Brown wasn't
called for. The only way I could see that is if Wilson pumped more
bullets into Brown AFTER HE WAS ALREDY DOWN, and I don't like the sound
of that.

I heard that this morning on TV. Were they mistaken?







I know someone who died falling off a step ladder and I've heard of
people getting shot 20 times and keep on going and survive.

nestork wrote in news:nestork.ebadf88
@diybanter.com:

I heard this morning on TV that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown
SIX TIME in the stomach and chest.

I'm having trouble with that.

Why? If you're being attacked, you keep shooting until the attacker is no longer a threat.
Firing only one round, then waiting to see if it worked before firing another, is foolish.

On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three
max. before going down.

And of course we all know that everything we see actors do on TV is a completely accurate
depiction of the way things work in real life.

On 11/25/2014 7:18 PM, nestork wrote:
I heard this morning on TV that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown
SIX TIME in the stomach and chest.

I'm having trouble with that.

On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three
max. before going down.

The only time you see an actor take anything over three bullets without
going down is if they're playing a zombie. (You can't kill a zombie
becaue they're already dead.)

Am I the only one that figures Wilson pumping 6 rounds into Brown wasn't
called for. The only way I could see that is if Wilson pumped more
bullets into Brown AFTER HE WAS ALREDY DOWN, and I don't like the sound
of that.

I heard that this morning on TV. Were they mistaken?




So, your willing to believe some BS you heard on TV as opposed to the
Grand Jury transcript.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:18:27 -0700, nestork
wrote:


I heard this morning on TV that Officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown
SIX TIME in the stomach and chest.

I'm having trouble with that.

On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three
max. before going down.

The only time you see an actor take anything over three bullets without
going down is if they're playing a zombie. (You can't kill a zombie
becaue they're already dead.)

Am I the only one that figures Wilson pumping 6 rounds into Brown wasn't
called for. The only way I could see that is if Wilson pumped more
bullets into Brown AFTER HE WAS ALREDY DOWN, and I don't like the sound
of that.

I heard that this morning on TV. Were they mistaken?

The saddest thing of all is that people actually made up testimony. Then
that testimony was repeated as fact by the media, and once into the public
domain, impossible to erase. Years ago the media was far MORE responsible.
had rules to not publish anything without corroborating
evidence/additional sources. Also they had something called 'investigative
journalism' which even more sadly today has disappeared and been replaced
with 'lazy' reporting - merely transferring the PR/misinformation straight
through. And now the media considers itself more of a revenue generating
'entertainment' industry. In the time it takes to stir up questions and
thoughts to make people watch their drivel,they could have said some basic
facts and been done with it. Enticing people to watch to fill in details.
And what happened to 'professional' looking/acting peole to present news?
They've been replaced by clowns and women dressed as crack whores. oops,
sorry digressing here.

Recent film based on a real life story is "Find Me Guilty" to me an
absolutely riveting storyline. The main character had been shot four times
by his cousin and then appears completely recovered acting as his own
defense attorney in the longest trial ever conducted i New York [Ithink it
was]...successfully.

On 11/26/2014 10:03 AM, RobertMacy wrote:


The saddest thing of all is that people actually made up testimony. Then
that testimony was repeated as fact by the media, and once into the
public domain, impossible to erase. Years ago the media was far MORE
responsible. had rules to not publish anything without corroborating
evidence/additional sources. Also they had something called
'investigative journalism' which even more sadly today has disappeared
and been replaced with 'lazy' reporting - merely transferring the
PR/misinformation straight through. And now the media considers itself
more of a revenue generating 'entertainment' industry. In the time it
takes to stir up questions and thoughts to make people watch their
drivel,they could have said some basic facts and been done with it.
Enticing people to watch to fill in details. And what happened to
'professional' looking/acting peole to present news? They've been
replaced by clowns and women dressed as crack whores. oops, sorry
digressing here.

Recent film based on a real life story is "Find Me Guilty" to me an
absolutely riveting storyline. The main character had been shot four
times by his cousin and then appears completely recovered acting as his
own defense attorney in the longest trial ever conducted i New York
[Ithink it was]...successfully.



Yep, I searched the news to see if I could get a straight story
anywhere...I found nothing but irresponsible reporting.

On 11/26/2014 12:37 PM, philo wrote:
On 11/26/2014 10:03 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

The saddest thing of all is that people actually made up testimony. Then
that testimony was repeated as fact by the media, and once into the
public domain, impossible to erase. Years ago the media was far MORE
responsible. had rules to not publish anything without corroborating
evidence/additional sources. Also they had something called
'investigative journalism' which even more sadly today has disappeared
and been replaced with 'lazy' reporting - merely transferring the
PR/misinformation straight through. And now the media considers itself
more of a revenue generating 'entertainment' industry. In the time it
takes to stir up questions and thoughts to make people watch their
drivel,they could have said some basic facts and been done with it.
Enticing people to watch to fill in details. And what happened to
'professional' looking/acting peole to present news? They've been
replaced by clowns and women dressed as crack whores. oops, sorry
digressing here.




Yep, I searched the news to see if I could get a straight story
anywhere...I found nothing but irresponsible reporting.

How to tell one from the other? I guess Robert
goes into some detail.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 11/26/2014 11:03 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
Years ago the media was far MORE responsible. had rules to not publish anything without corroborating evidence/additional sources.

Yes, NBC was the gold standard for integrity.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ks-crash-tests

nestork posted for all of us...


They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.


Man-O-Man we just got done with elections down here and we don't need any
reminders of them... (g)

--
Tekkie

philo* posted for all of us...


That's OK I have plonked Stormin Mormon a long time ago after his
light bulb tirade so I no longer see his posts.


I'm too old to deal with that kind of BS


You caught on to him. If we could convince others then he might go away: but
I doubt it.

I know I am getting alzies' I had to retype this message twice and correct
it more.

--
Tekkie

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:54:15 -0600, philo* wrote:


On TV, you seldom see an actor be able to take even two bullets; three
max. before going down.


TV bears no resemblance to real life

I'm shocked. Roy Rogers wasn't "King of the Cowboys"?

He was a real singer - plan B

On 11/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
nestork posted for all of us...


They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.


Man-O-Man we just got done with elections down here and we don't need any
reminders of them... (g)


You're not Ne Stork?

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Learn about Jesus
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:54:15 -0600, philo* wrote:

died falling off a step ladder and I've heard of
people getting shot 20 times and keep on going and survive.

A former, retired Governor here, fell off his roof - dead shortly
after.

I've seen ~ 6 bullet chest wounds on a guy - medium sized body frame.
He lived and got ~85 years in the pokey, behind the down yonder...

Once had a guy coming my way, six stabs in front chest, blood foam
(gurgling) coming out of one lung.

Short story, the guy lived - he was a big man, muscular with the thick
upper body.

They guy that stabbed him was not chained to the wall

In article . com,
FakeName wrote:

On 11/26/2014 11:03 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
Years ago the media was far MORE responsible. had rules to not publish
anything without corroborating evidence/additional sources.

Yes, NBC was the gold standard for integrity.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...gm-pickup-pick
up-trucks-crash-tests

ANother NBC story (that is sorta on point) was the one where they were
doing a "driving while black" story. The one they pointed out musta been
a real good one for other reasons or the editor slipped up. The cops
pulls the car in question over, saunters up and the first thing he says
"Hi. Can I ask why you have driven slowly past this jewelry store 3
times in the last 30 minutes."
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

nestork posted for all of us...



Am I the only one that figures Wilson pumping 6 rounds into Brown wasn't
called for. The only way I could see that is if Wilson pumped more
bullets into Brown AFTER HE WAS ALREDY DOWN, and I don't like the sound
of that.

I heard that this morning on TV. Were they mistaken?


Wasn't there don't know. Don't depend on TV to give the correct information.

Nesty, you were in the military, IIRC. They trained you. They trained you to
make automatic responses to situations. This is what PO Wilson did.
Otherwise he would probably be dead.

A question I have is where the "secret" grand jury testimony and
deliberations are coming from? The Feds perhaps?

--
Tekkie

On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:03:59 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote:

A question I have is where the "secret" grand jury testimony and
deliberations are coming from? The Feds perhaps?

They happen in the government buildings, behind closed doors with
security. The Grand Jury may meet on once a week. Depends on sate
law.

....
286 pages, Ofc. Wilson's testimony begins ~ page 207.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/248128351/Darren-Wilson-Testimony

"Darren Wilson's medical records, as presented to the grand jury."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/248130943/Darren-Wilson-Medical-Records

On 11/26/2014 02:19 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
philo posted for all of us...


That's OK I have plonked Stormin Mormon a long time ago after his
light bulb tirade so I no longer see his posts.


I'm too old to deal with that kind of BS


You caught on to him. If we could convince others then he might go away: but
I doubt it.

I know I am getting alzies' I had to retype this message twice and correct
it more.




He always seemed a bit odd, but there's no problem with that.

A few months back I mentioned here that I was stuck with quite a few
incandescent bulbs. I did not think it right for me to spam this group
with a "for sale" advertisement and I also know from experience /never/
to offer something "free" or I will get 100 responses.

If I want to give something away free on Craig's List I usually put a
small price on the item to keep the bottom feeders away...but don't
really charge them anything when they get here.


So, after about ten days after no one spoke up for the bulbs I mentioned
here that I took them back to the store for a full refund.

Then " Stormin" who is definitely NOT a Mormon got completely bent out
of shape and went ballistic because he said I was being selfish. He then
called me an egotist because I had used the word "I" six times in my post.

After it was pointed out to him that he too used the work "I" six times
in his post I put the jerk in my KF and no longer see anything he posts.

Whether he goes away or not is a moot point now.

On 11/26/2014 02:35 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:54:15 -0600, philo wrote:

died falling off a step ladder and I've heard of
people getting shot 20 times and keep on going and survive.

A former, retired Governor here, fell off his roof - dead shortly
after.

I've seen ~ 6 bullet chest wounds on a guy - medium sized body frame.
He lived and got ~85 years in the pokey, behind the down yonder...

Once had a guy coming my way, six stabs in front chest, blood foam
(gurgling) coming out of one lung.

Short story, the guy lived - he was a big man, muscular with the thick
upper body.

They guy that stabbed him was not chained to the wall


I recently read that a cop was strangled by a guy that he emptied his
magazine into...though they both died one can sometimes keep going for a
bit with a lot of holes in them.



cut and pasted to save two replies:



I'm shocked. Roy Rogers wasn't "King of the Cowboys"?

He was a real singer - plan B


______


Well, /some/ things on TV are true!!!

On 11/26/2014 4:21 PM, philo wrote:
He always seemed a bit odd, but there's no problem with that.

A few months back I mentioned here that I was stuck with quite a few
incandescent bulbs. I did not think it right for me to spam this group
with a "for sale" advertisement and I also know from experience /never/
to offer something "free" or I will get 100 responses.

If I want to give something away free on Craig's List I usually put a
small price on the item to keep the bottom feeders away...but don't
really charge them anything when they get here.


So, after about ten days after no one spoke up for the bulbs I mentioned
here that I took them back to the store for a full refund.

Then " Stormin" who is definitely NOT a Mormon got completely bent out
of shape and went ballistic because he said I was being selfish. He then
called me an egotist because I had used the word "I" six times in my post.

After it was pointed out to him that he too used the work "I" six times
in his post I put the jerk in my KF and no longer see anything he posts.

Whether he goes away or not is a moot point now.


Hey, lets all killfile each other, and be
done with it?

BTW, you used "I" twelve times in your post.

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Learn about Jesus
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:55:46 AM UTC-5, philo* wrote:
On 11/25/2014 09:30 AM, nestork wrote:
When I watched the news last night, the prosecutor read the Grand Jury
decision and there was arial footage from a helicopter that showed the
crowd in front of the court house doing nothing. I figured that it
would be then or never that the crowd would become enraged. Nothing
noteworty happened so I shut the TV off and went to bed. I didn't stay
up for more than half an hour after the prosecutor read the Grand Jury
verdict. Any damage to property must have happened after I shut the TV
off.



snip

Even though it's pretty difficult for me to come up with a scenario
where it would be OK to kill an unarmed man...since I was not there to
witness the event...it would be impossible for me to say with 100% what
was justifiable .


What I can see with 100% certainty however is the extreme racism
expressed here by some people who I will be ignoring from now on.


Really folks WHAT THE ****???

I do not consider myself a religious person however the US is primarily
a Christian country and I'd think maybe a little of it would rub off.

Are you all a bunch of ****ing Commie Atheists here or what?

I served in the US Army for this?

Really WHAT THE ****???


You ****ing racists are nothing but a bunch of whining Commie Pinko's
without even the most rudimentary understanding of right and wrong.

Racism is God's sin as we are all created in His image...
so **** YOU you racist Commie Atheist *******s!!!!

Typical. People express their disapproval with the lawless rioting,
arson, destruction of 12 businesses, etc. So mow we're racists. Go
figure.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:17:16 PM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
Oren:

I expect Philo was upset by my saying that nothing beats a good looting
spree to update a person's wardrobe, get a flat panel HD TV and restock
one's liquor cabinet.

My point there was that the looting that was reported to be going on
last night has nothing to do with race relations or getting justice for
Michael Brown.

It has a lot to do with race relations. Those rioters portrayed
the classic behavior that many people use as sterotypes for blacks. Then,
when some people decide to cross the street at night when they see
a group of young blacks on the other side, folks claim they are racist.



It is pure opportunism. Looters are using the Grand
Jury decision as an EXCUSE to break into stores and steal things. If it
were about racism, those looters would choose a more productive way to
express their anger at the Grand Jury decision by appealing to the
prosecutor to go ahead with charging the cop anyhow.


I'm not so sure it's all opportunism. Certainly some of it is. But
folks like reverend Al have stirred up a lot of sh** and worked the
emotions of a bunch of thugs and high school drop outs that are too
dumb or just don't care about finding out the truth.

I doubt it's even possible for the prosecutor to go ahead and charge the
cop anyhow. Isn't that the whole point of the grand jury system?



But, it's not about that. It's about using that Grand Jury decision as
an excuse to break into stores and steal things.

I don't feel my remarks were racist because I was being critical of the
looters since looting is in no way a reasonable response to the Grand
Jury decision. It's lawlessness and theft trying to disguise itself as
a reaction to the Grand Jury decision.


I agree.



They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.




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nestork

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:34:53 PM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:08:22 -0700, nestork
wrote:


..snip...
They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.

Picking up bits and pieces of watching what's going on:
police line was firing tear gas into crowds, ...outside the police station
didn't see ANY police presence protecting all that private property though
Bless these people...citizens stood around the front of one store with
their arms locked to prevent looting.
Sadly, as one citizen said, "where am I going to buy my groceries now?"

Facts still remain; deadly force was used.

Which of course has nothing to do with anything. Fact remains, the
"unarmed teenager" the media keeps referring to, had just committed a
felony, the robbery of the store. And a second felony, aggravated assault
on a police officer.

As I've said before, there is something very wrong with the notion that
a perp can commit two felonies, flip off a cop, refuse to surrender, fight
with the cop, fight for the cop's gun, start the whole violent process,
and God knows what else. And then,
if the cop doesn't do everything 100% perfect and it ends with the skunk
dead, well it's all the cops fault and he should be charged. You want that
job? Under the conditions of what happened, I'd always give the benefit
of doubt to the cop, black or white, not the perp.


Well, what do you expect with
the militarization of the police force? Seems like a LOT of shots, too. At
least at Waco, Feinstein complemented the FBI agents on their marksmanship.

Let;s see how many shots you would have used, after Brown already assaulted
you, tried to kill you with your own gun, and was coming back at you. What's
the politically correct, right number for you libs? The first shot that hit
him in the hand back when he was wrestling for the gun didn't deter him.
That was one. Six ended it for sure. So, what's the right number for you libs?

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:34:53 PM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:08:22 -0700, nestork
wrote:


..snip...
They're my remarks, they were well thought out, and I stand behind
them.
I'm Nestor Kelebay and I approved this message.

Picking up bits and pieces of watching what's going on:
police line was firing tear gas into crowds, ...outside the police
station
didn't see ANY police presence protecting all that private property
though
Bless these people...citizens stood around the front of one store with
their arms locked to prevent looting.
Sadly, as one citizen said, "where am I going to buy my groceries now?"

Facts still remain; deadly force was used.

Which of course has nothing to do with anything. Fact remains, the
"unarmed teenager" the media keeps referring to, had just committed a
felony, the robbery of the store. And a second felony, aggravated assault
on a police officer.

As I've said before, there is something very wrong with the notion that
a perp can commit two felonies, flip off a cop, refuse to surrender, fight
with the cop, fight for the cop's gun, start the whole violent process,
and God knows what else. And then,
if the cop doesn't do everything 100% perfect and it ends with the skunk
dead, well it's all the cops fault and he should be charged.

or even if the cop DOES do everything 100% perfect.

On 11/27/2014 7:56 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 3:34:53 PM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:

Well, what do you expect with
the militarization of the police force? Seems like a LOT of shots, too. At
least at Waco, Feinstein complemented the FBI agents on their marksmanship.

Let;s see how many shots you would have used, after Brown already assaulted
you, tried to kill you with your own gun, and was coming back at you. What's
the politically correct, right number for you libs? The first shot that hit
him in the hand back when he was wrestling for the gun didn't deter him.
That was one. Six ended it for sure. So, what's the right number for you libs?


One of the problems, here. Is that "you
libs" seldom listen to facts. Such as
Gonjah, who admits to being ignorant,
and then ...

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:56:06 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip....
That was one. Six ended it for sure. So, what's the right number for
you libs?

Ms. took one look at the interview the cop had with Stephanopolis(sp?) and
commented. Wow, great series of botox shots on his face! so you can't tell
when he's lying and shows a 'clear' conscience. She rewound the tape, and
said now watch S.'s face AND the newscaster's face now watch Cop's face.
She was right. He looked like he was wearing a plastic face, showing no
emotion whatsoever. Interesting observation. Did anyone else see that
interview? And notice the surface of his face NEVER moved?

On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 05:08:26 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:




For the record, I think Al is right about the way they did it being dumb.
If I were doing it, this is how I would have made the announcement. First,
I'd do it at 9AM. I'd invite Holder, the governor,
Al Sharpton, Jessie J, to be there too and ask them to call for calm.
And I'd have not a few hundred national guard there, I'd have a few thousand,
dispersed through the city, ready to protect property, by whatever means
necessary. But then the governor is apparently a Dem pussy, so that didn't
happen.

So, what happened, happened.

OMG, I have to agree with Rev. Al. It should have been much sooner or
wait until daylight. It was pretty dumb to wait for people to get
riled up for a while.

In article ,
Ed Pawlowski wrote:


OMG, I have to agree with Rev. Al. It should have been much sooner or
wait until daylight. It was pretty dumb to wait for people to get
riled up for a while.

I am not entirely sure that the timing was off. I would suggest that
earlier would mean more civilians would be out and about doing work
things, more traffic, etc. More concerns about civilians caught in the
crossfire. Also harder to differentiate the citizens from the rioters.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:40:19 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

I am not entirely sure that the timing was off. I would suggest that
earlier would mean more civilians would be out and about doing work
things, more traffic, etc. More concerns about civilians caught in the
crossfire. Also harder to differentiate the citizens from the rioters.

Agree. Even if they announced earlier there was still going to be
riots. Had the GJ indicted Wilson there would then have celebratory
riots. The thing about riots is that the more people involved, the
more destruction.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 07:22:00 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip...
I know perfectly well what you were saying. Sarcasm apparently isn't
your forte.

With internet and these short emails, sarcasm. which usually requires a
history of communication, is not a 'safe' way to display wit. Thus, it's
usually best, if one wants to convey information, attitude, or even try to
change another's position, to speak straight forwardly. As in, say what
you mean, mean what you say. But is ok, now I understand.

You obviously aren't following the thread. I brought up the interview
*before* you did. I watched the interview. And you're off into lala
land, suggesting that officer Wilson had botox to hide his facial
expressions
before giving an interview on TV with Stephy? If he wanted to hide, he
didn't have to do the interview to beging with. Good grief.

True, I'm not following this thread 100%. For the most part, trying to
avoid chloroform in print AND keep my blood pressure down. Oops, an
attempt to inject a bit of humour.

What *is* your observation about Wilson's facial gestures? After having
pointed out to me when I again watched, I did notice muscles at the
extremity were pulling but the bulk stayed frozen,] where as Stephy and
news station ?? all had much more facial movement. It was indeed like a
night and day difference. Even Professional Poker Players have more facial
motion. Comment is not fromm lala land, but a very valid observation.

IMO, Wilson did a smart move by speaking publicly AFTER all the official
results were in, assume not allowed to before. If he had 'hid'; would not
bode well for his story.

what I'd like to know. Why hasn't someone asked Brown's parents what the
hell their innocent teenage son was doing committing a felony robbery in
that convenience store? Some questions like:


AGREE!!! ABSOLUTELY do NOT understand why there is NO exploration into
Brown's character, or any attempt to explain his belligerent behaviour
that day. Perhaps, he was 'fed up with something' and was going off to
college next day and didn't care, Still there is NO excuse for stealing
unnecessary items and then bullying such a small man while stealing that
man's living. Just NOT right.



Did anybody catch the one time comment that O'Reilly made [its veracity
is
easily checked] that there are something like 17,000 outstanding
warrants
in Ferguson and some 35,000 outstnding tickets agains 3500 citizens?
Been
a while,forogt the numbers, but keep remembering 3500 citizens in
Ferguson. Can't be right. But at least should be researched and
accurately
presented. Seems like a HUGE tilt of some type of incompetency [at least
compare toother similar suburban ciies], or 'war' going on.

You just said it's easily checked, so why don't you check it? And
what exactly is it's relevance anyway? Good grief.

I can't check. More of an inviation for those who can check, please do.
Relevancy? again, incompetency or unjust persecution of citizens?

In article op.xp1ipieo2cx0wh@ajm,
RobertMacy wrote:


what I'd like to know. Why hasn't someone asked Brown's parents what the
hell their innocent teenage son was doing committing a felony robbery in
that convenience store? Some questions like:


AGREE!!! ABSOLUTELY do NOT understand why there is NO exploration into
Brown's character, or any attempt to explain his belligerent behaviour
that day. Perhaps, he was 'fed up with something' and was going off to
college next day and didn't care, Still there is NO excuse for stealing
unnecessary items and then bullying such a small man while stealing that
man's living. Just NOT right.

There was some initially but there was a hooha about how we shouldn't
judge the lad until all the facts were in. The really sad part was that
the couple I people I pointed out the irony of that request given what
Officer Wilson was going through at the time, no one got it.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

I think the crux of the matter here is whether or not Wilson stopped Brown because he knew a black man matching that description had just robbed a convenience store.

My understanding is that Wilson stopped Brown only because he was jaywalking down the middle of the street (and thereby disrupting traffic). So far as I know, Wilson knew nothing about the convenience store robbery when he stopped Brown. If that's the case, then the GJ was probably never told about the convenience store robbery simply because Wilson didn't know about it at the time either, and the issue the GJ had to decide is whether or not Wilson acted within the law and his rights as a cop in Brown's shooting.

In article op.xp1ipieo2cx0wh@ajm,
RobertMacy wrote:


Did anybody catch the one time comment that O'Reilly made [its veracity
is
easily checked] that there are something like 17,000 outstanding
warrants
in Ferguson and some 35,000 outstnding tickets agains 3500 citizens?
Been
a while,forogt the numbers, but keep remembering 3500 citizens in
Ferguson. Can't be right. But at least should be researched and
accurately
presented. Seems like a HUGE tilt of some type of incompetency [at least
compare toother similar suburban ciies], or 'war' going on.

You just said it's easily checked, so why don't you check it? And
what exactly is it's relevance anyway? Good grief.

I can't check. More of an inviation for those who can check, please do.
Relevancy? again, incompetency or unjust persecution of citizens?

Figures are low and the source is a "Local Advocacy Group", so it must
be right. Also this is, of course, the fault of the government.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/2...in-ferguson-ou
tnumber-residents-nearly-2-to/20952288/
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Friday, November 28, 2014 12:17:10 PM UTC-5, nestork wrote:

AGREE!!! ABSOLUTELY do NOT understand why there is NO exploration into

Brown's character, or any attempt to explain his belligerent behaviour

that day. Perhaps, he was 'fed up with something' and was going off to

college next day and didn't care, Still there is NO excuse for stealing

unnecessary items and then bullying such a small man while stealing that

man's living. Just NOT right.

I think the crux of the matter here is whether or not Wilson stopped
Brown because he knew a black man matching that description had just
robbed a convenience store.



I don't see why that is the crux of the matter. It certainly supports
the cop's side of who the aggressor was, because obviously we now know
of the two people involved, Wilson and Brown, one had committed a
felony 10 mins before, robbery while assaulting the store clerk. It shows
who was predisposed with agression, breaking the law, who had a motive
to resist engagement with the police. But as far as what transpired,
I don't see how it made any real difference in what happened.


My understanding is that Wilson stopped Brown only because he was
jaywalking down the middle of the street (and thereby disrupting
traffic). So far as I know, Wilson knew nothing about the convenience
store robbery when he stopped Brown.

I think the sequence of events was that Wilson had heard the report
of the robbery. He saw the two in the street, told them to get out of
the street. Then he noticed the box of cigars in Brown's hand and
realized they could be the two perps.



If that's the case, then the GJ
was probably never told about the convenience store robbery simply
because Wilson didn't know about it at the time either, and the issue
the GJ had to decide is whether or not Wilson acted within the law and
his rights as a cop in Brown's shooting.




--
nestork

That's an interesting question, whether the grand jury was told in
the hearings of the prior robbery and report. I would think they would
have been, because it was relevant. But even if they were not told, they
almost certainly knew about it, unless they were on Mars for the last
3 months.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:47:49 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip....
My understanding is that Wilson stopped Brown only because he was
jaywalking down the middle of the street (and thereby disrupting
traffic). So far as I know, Wilson knew nothing about the convenience
store robbery when he stopped Brown.

I think the sequence of events was that Wilson had heard the report
of the robbery. He saw the two in the street, told them to get out of
the street. Then he noticed the box of cigars in Brown's hand and
realized they could be the two perps.


In the interview between Wilson and Stephy that I saw, Wilson said that he
was at some child emergency, the call came in regarding the robbery
[shoplifting? perhaps robbery since Brown manhandled the owner, changing
from shoplifting to robbery] Wilson said that when he had finished with
the child's emergency, he had the description of the perp [black man, the
hat, the coat and trousers] so he saw a man fitting the description and
called to him, whereupon Brown came over to his vehicle etc.

I thought you said you saw this interview?