On Friday, November 28, 2014 4:01:48 PM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 10:47:49 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip....
My understanding is that Wilson stopped Brown only because he was
jaywalking down the middle of the street (and thereby disrupting
traffic). So far as I know, Wilson knew nothing about the convenience
store robbery when he stopped Brown.

I think the sequence of events was that Wilson had heard the report
of the robbery. He saw the two in the street, told them to get out of
the street. Then he noticed the box of cigars in Brown's hand and
realized they could be the two perps.


In the interview between Wilson and Stephy that I saw, Wilson said that he
was at some child emergency, the call came in regarding the robbery
[shoplifting? perhaps robbery since Brown manhandled the owner, changing
from shoplifting to robbery] Wilson said that when he had finished with
the child's emergency, he had the description of the perp [black man, the
hat, the coat and trousers] so he saw a man fitting the description and
called to him, whereupon Brown came over to his vehicle etc.

I thought you said you saw this interview?

I did see the interview. I also saw excerpts from Wilson's testimony
to the GJ. What exactly that I posted is inconsistent with any of that
and beyond that, of any significance in the sequence of events?

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:19:04 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip...
I did see the interview. I also saw excerpts from Wilson's testimony
to the GJ. What exactly that I posted is inconsistent with any of that
and beyond that, of any significance in the sequence of events?

not really.

I only pointed it out that if you did not accurately remember the
interview's details, you probably weren't 'studying' the interview; and
missed Wilson's 'plastic' face. Which you did. Am ver curious if any
'experts' out there saw the interview and could comment. To me, modifying
one's facial expressions by using botox suggests trying to appear open,
while hiding something. Tricks used by double agents run similar gamuts.
At least they're usually kept isolated before processing to make certain
any effects have worn off before interrogation.

In article op.xp3ffmye2cx0wh@ajm,
RobertMacy wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:19:04 -0700, trader_4 wrote:

...snip...
I did see the interview. I also saw excerpts from Wilson's testimony
to the GJ. What exactly that I posted is inconsistent with any of that
and beyond that, of any significance in the sequence of events?

not really.

I only pointed it out that if you did not accurately remember the
interview's details, you probably weren't 'studying' the interview; and
missed Wilson's 'plastic' face. Which you did. Am ver curious if any
'experts' out there saw the interview and could comment. To me, modifying
one's facial expressions by using botox suggests trying to appear open,
while hiding something. Tricks used by double agents run similar gamuts.
At least they're usually kept isolated before processing to make certain
any effects have worn off before interrogation.

Is there any information other than the impressions of people that he
actually used botox or anything else? This is striking me a lot like
the initial statements about the hands being up, etc.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:55:13 -0700, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

..snip...
Is there any information other than the impressions of people that he
actually used botox or anything else? This is striking me a lot like
the initial statements about the hands being up, etc.

not to my knowledge, absolutely NO support other than, "Gee, he looks odd
in comparison to the others"

For what it's worth, the original comment came from an 'experienced'
source, holder of Medal of Freedom, and a person called 'The Book" by one
cabinet member due to extremely accurate pattern recognition and
photographic memory, the original commenter was usually cornered by George
Schultz, then Secty of State, during 'social' get togethers for upwards of
hour(s) of conversations. When asked, "What did you discuss for so long."
The answer usually came back, "We had a VERY interesting conversation."

At some point, one stops relying on others/experts and starts relying upon
themselves. And for me, never certain, that is why I posted the question
tentatively, NOT definitively. Asking if anyone else noticed 'plastic
face'.

What was your opinion?

While Wilson's facial expressions may have been completely absent, I can understand why. He's trying to remember events as they occurred, in the order they occurred, for the dozenth time or more. To him, there is no glee in any of this, nor is there any remorse. He believes that he was thrust into a situation where he had to do what he did. I expect all of us would be equally unemotional in recounting the shooting if we were in his shoes.

"RobertMacy" wrote in
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:55:13 -0700, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

..snip...
Is there any information other than the
impressions of people that he
actually used botox or anything else? This is
striking me a lot like
the initial statements about the hands being
up, etc.

not to my knowledge, absolutely NO support other
than, "Gee, he looks odd in comparison to the
others"

For what it's worth, the original comment came
from an 'experienced' source, holder of Medal
of Freedom, and a person called 'The Book" by
one cabinet member due to extremely accurate
pattern recognition and photographic memory,
the original commenter was usually cornered by
George Schultz, then Secty of State, during
'social' get togethers for upwards of hour(s)
of conversations. When asked, "What did you
discuss for so long." The answer usually came
back, "We had a VERY interesting conversation."

At some point, one stops relying on
others/experts and starts relying upon
themselves. And for me, never certain, that is
why I posted the question tentatively, NOT
definitively. Asking if anyone else noticed
'plastic face'.

What was your opinion?

It looks like he was struck hard in the face
causing swelling
of cells which when swollen are pressurized and
won't move
normally. Botox? Are you nuts? As far as the town
is
concerned, I think nothing should be rebuilt and
the burned
cars should be left in place as is. Give the
nutjobs there
the town they want, they way they have re-arranged
it now
to suit their fancy. Brown was a jackass and the
people
know it. ****'em... If no respect is given none is
returned.

On 11/29/2014 11:11 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

At some point, one stops relying on others/experts and starts relying
upon themselves. And for me, never certain, that is why I posted the
question tentatively, NOT definitively. Asking if anyone else noticed
'plastic face'.

What was your opinion?

My opinion is that he was rehearsed to the point of talking with no
emotion and the lawyers probably wanted it that way

On 11/29/2014 11:46 AM, Phil Kangas wrote:
As far as the town
is
concerned, I think nothing should be rebuilt and
the burned
cars should be left in place as is. Give the
nutjobs there
the town they want, they way they have re-arranged
it now
to suit their fancy. Brown was a jackass and the
people
know it. ****'em... If no respect is given none is
returned.


I read a day or two ago, that the white business
will flee the town, leaving the minorities no place
to shop.

I've also read that at least a few blacks went and
stood guard to protect the local business. Hope that
is true.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 11:58:47 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I read a day or two ago, that the white business
will flee the town, leaving the minorities no place
to shop.

One of the businesses was a Title Loan (payday loan) place.

I'm sure all the records have been destroyed

(Didn't Jessie James take property deeds from banks he robbed? No
record to foreclose on the poor folks)

On 11/27/2014 06:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:


I do not consider myself a religious person however the US is primarily
a Christian country and I'd think maybe a little of it would rub off.

Are you all a bunch of ****ing Commie Atheists here or what?

I served in the US Army for this?

Really WHAT THE ****???


You ****ing racists are nothing but a bunch of whining Commie Pinko's
without even the most rudimentary understanding of right and wrong.

Racism is God's sin as we are all created in His image...
so **** YOU you racist Commie Atheist *******s!!!!

Typical. People express their disapproval with the lawless rioting,
arson, destruction of 12 businesses, etc. So mow we're racists. Go
figure.




No, as I mentioned I put my reply in the wrong thread. (sorry)

In no way did I mean to imply that people who are against lawless
rioting are racists. Any sane person should be against such behavior.


My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:26:47 -0600, philo* wrote:

My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

What is a "racist"?

Please clarify what a racist is.

On 11/29/2014 01:12 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:26:47 -0600, philo wrote:

My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

What is a "racist"?

Please clarify what a racist is.




In short, a racist is someone who infers by the behavior of /some/
idiots such as the band of looters...that /all/ black people are a bunch
of "NI@@ERS" .

If someone refers to the band of looters as a bunch of idiots I'd agree
with them and not consider that a racist comment.


I just checked my KF and see that the couple I put in my KF for being
racists are not regular posters here so I guess I got a bit carried
away. I have a half-brother who is black so maybe got a bit over-sensitive.

In ,
philo belched:
On 11/27/2014 06:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:


I do not consider myself a religious person however the US is
primarily a Christian country and I'd think maybe a little of it
would rub off. Are you all a bunch of ****ing Commie Atheists here or
what?

I served in the US Army for this?

Really WHAT THE ****???


You ****ing racists are nothing but a bunch of whining Commie
Pinko's without even the most rudimentary understanding of right
and wrong. Racism is God's sin as we are all created in His image...
so **** YOU you racist Commie Atheist *******s!!!!

Typical. People express their disapproval with the lawless rioting,
arson, destruction of 12 businesses, etc. So mow we're racists. Go
figure.




No, as I mentioned I put my reply in the wrong thread. (sorry)

In no way did I mean to imply that people who are against lawless
rioting are racists. Any sane person should be against such behavior.


My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

I understand your feelings, but I think most comments(not all) were stated
because of the race baiting of the parties involved. If it had been a black
cop that shot him this would have never made the news.
I for one am tired of the race card being played for EVERYTHING that happens
to any person of color. There is absolutly no personal responsibilty taken
in any of the incidents that have made the news.
NONE ZIP NADA. I can't understand why when a cop tells someone to freeze and
get on the ground, they think.....**** YOU, i don't have to listen or do
what your telling me to do. Guess what, that doesn't work and you're
probably going to get shot or beat.
It's not always the white mans fault, sometimes(most times) it's the
individuals

On 11/29/2014 05:38 PM, ChairMan wrote:




No, as I mentioned I put my reply in the wrong thread. (sorry)

In no way did I mean to imply that people who are against lawless
rioting are racists. Any sane person should be against such behavior.


My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

I understand your feelings, but I think most comments(not all) were stated
because of the race baiting of the parties involved. If it had been a black
cop that shot him this would have never made the news.
I for one am tired of the race card being played for EVERYTHING that happens
to any person of color. There is absolutly no personal responsibilty taken
in any of the incidents that have made the news.
NONE ZIP NADA. I can't understand why when a cop tells someone to freeze and
get on the ground, they think.....**** YOU, i don't have to listen or do
what your telling me to do. Guess what, that doesn't work and you're
probably going to get shot or beat.
It's not always the white mans fault, sometimes(most times) it's the
individuals






Yep, Even though I think it's terrible that some kid ended up dead...
I do have to say that if you try to grab a cop's gun that's what is
going to happen to you.

I was harassed by cops when I was that age and I am not black...but I
learned really fast that if you don't give them any ****, they will
pretty much not hassle you much. (and I'm not particularly smart either)


Anyway as I mentioned the couple of idiots who made nothing but dumb
racist remarks were not among the regulars here and I went a bit over-board.

In article op.xp3glzwk2cx0wh@ajm,
RobertMacy wrote:


At some point, one stops relying on others/experts and starts relying upon
themselves. And for me, never certain, that is why I posted the question
tentatively, NOT definitively. Asking if anyone else noticed 'plastic
face'.

What was your opinion?

I have gotten around to watching it yet in any depth. It is an intense
personal dislike for Stephanolopis..
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

In article ,
nestork wrote:

While Wilson's facial expressions may have been completely absent, I can
understand why. He's trying to remember events as they occurred, in the
order they occurred, for the dozenth time or more. To him, there is no
glee in any of this, nor is there any remorse. He believes that he was
thrust into a situation where he had to do what he did. I expect all of
us would be equally unemotional in recounting the shooting if we were in
his shoes.

I would agree with this. After recounting something so many times, it
becomes automatic and you become less animated. I would also suggest that
the lack of affect could also be explained by stress, PTSD, or even
depression.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

In article , philo*
wrote:

On 11/29/2014 01:12 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:26:47 -0600, philo wrote:

My anger was directed at the couple of people who made racist
remarks...period.

What is a "racist"?

Please clarify what a racist is.




In short, a racist is someone who infers by the behavior of /some/
idiots such as the band of looters...that /all/ black people are a bunch
of "NI@@ERS" .
Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On 11/29/2014 06:02 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:


snip
..
Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?




Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

I think what you're going to find is that the biggest influence for or against racism will be the internet.

The internet allows people to communicate with each other over vast distances without those people ever being able to tell anything about one another. You agree with that other person's reasoning or you don't, but you have absolutely no idea if the person you're talking to is black, white, brown, red, yellow or polka dot. It will be those communications, between black and a southern red neck, between Jew and skin head and between Catholic and Muslim that change people's minds about each other for the better, or reinforce their worst fears about each other.

All we can do is hope that we really are all the same inside and let that show through.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:09:36 -0600, philo* wrote:

Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?

Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

Does a prejudice make one a racist? Help me out. I'm prejudiced but
not a racist. Or does being prejudice make you racist?

I get confused.

People sling the word racist around everyday but they don't say what
it means. I need a definition.

On 11/29/2014 06:13 PM, nestork wrote:
'philo*[_2_ Wrote:
;3314719']
I have a half-brother who is black so maybe got a bit over-sensitive.

I think what you're going to find is that the biggest influence for or
against racism will be the internet.

The internet allows people to communicate with each other over vast
distances without those people ever being able to tell anything about
one another. You agree with that other person's reasoning or you don't,
but you have absolutely no idea if the person you're talking to is
black, white, brown, red, yellow or polka dot. It will be those
communications, between black and a southern red neck, between Jew and
skin head and between Catholic and Muslim that change people's minds
about each other for the better, or reinforce their worst fears about
each other.

All we can do is hope that we really are all the same inside and let
that show through.







It's been shown that other than superficial external features all people
are the same inside.


When talking to people on-line it is indeed hard to judge them...
all body language and facial expressions are hidden and it's often hard
to tell if someone is serious or kidding around.


However when I see people jumping to the conclusion that /all/ black
people are a bunch of N.... just because of some dumb rioters...I see
that as racist.

On 11/29/2014 06:28 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:09:36 -0600, philo wrote:

Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?

Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

Does a prejudice make one a racist? Help me out. I'm prejudiced but
not a racist. Or does being prejudice make you racist?

I get confused.

People sling the word racist around everyday but they don't say what
it means. I need a definition.




You are asking some damn good questions using the Socratic method.
Each time you ask, I find myself try to refine my answer...and in the
process am learning a lot...and as Socrates knew, the answer was already
there.

Now as to racism I am thinking of those conversations where a person of
one race was trying to prove scientifically that another race was
inferior. I guess at this point I'd say that is a good example of racism.

Viz: the concept that one race is superior to another. Bigger question
is that of defining race...is there even such a thing?


What I've learned is that we all have prejudices and the only way to get
past them is to realize they are there.

That's true of problem solving of any type. One needs to be aware of the
problem before one can solve it...and the fist step is defining it.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:15:23 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 11/29/2014 06:28 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:09:36 -0600, philo wrote:

Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?

Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

Does a prejudice make one a racist? Help me out. I'm prejudiced but
not a racist. Or does being prejudice make you racist?

I get confused.

People sling the word racist around everyday but they don't say what
it means. I need a definition.




You are asking some damn good questions using the Socratic method.
Each time you ask, I find myself try to refine my answer...and in the
process am learning a lot...and as Socrates knew, the answer was already
there.

Now as to racism I am thinking of those conversations where a person of
one race was trying to prove scientifically that another race was
inferior. I guess at this point I'd say that is a good example of racism.


Abe Lincoln thought blacks as inferior. He made speeches about it.
Then what happened?

Viz: the concept that one race is superior to another. Bigger question
is that of defining race...is there even such a thing?

What I've learned is that we all have prejudices and the only way to get
past them is to realize they are there.

A Black lady (training) once asked what I was prejudiced about. 99.999
% of the class said "nothing", refusing to admit prejudice.

When she asked me, I said "people". She asked why. I said I don't care
what color your are - if I don't like you I just don't like you - it
has nothing to do with race.

That's true of problem solving of any type. One needs to be aware of the
problem before one can solve it...and the fist step is defining it.

True.

On 11/29/2014 07:42 PM, Oren wrote:


Now as to racism I am thinking of those conversations where a person of
one race was trying to prove scientifically that another race was
inferior. I guess at this point I'd say that is a good example of racism.


Abe Lincoln thought blacks as inferior. He made speeches about it.
Then what happened?

His ultimate stance was based on political expediency rather than his
own feelings.

That in itself raises more questions?


Who's better...a person who means well but it all goes to hell...
or a person who tries to do something evil and by mistake does something
good?

One day, when I got bored I started entering all of my most crazy
thoughts into a Google search and put in something like "Evil Mother
Theresa" Wow was that a shocker? I never would have imagined!




Viz: the concept that one race is superior to another. Bigger question
is that of defining race...is there even such a thing?

What I've learned is that we all have prejudices and the only way to get
past them is to realize they are there.

A Black lady (training) once asked what I was prejudiced about. 99.999
% of the class said "nothing", refusing to admit prejudice.

Yep, that was me at one time, I would have said I had no prejudices but
as I grew older, realized of course I did (and still do)


When she asked me, I said "people". She asked why. I said I don't care
what color your are - if I don't like you I just don't like you - it
has nothing to do with race.


One of my best friends in High School...the first time I saw him all I
thought was that I really wanted to "punch out" that little ****.
No logical reason, just did not like the way he looked. We eventually
became friends and would occasionally wrestle. That wiry s.o.b. whupped
my ass!


That's true of problem solving of any type. One needs to be aware of the
problem before one can solve it...and the fist step is defining it.

True.

Philo:

I believe that there ARE differences amonst the human races. I believe that if the spotlight of science were to be shone on the biological differences between the various human races on this Good Earth, we would find important differences in the rate at which the different races mature, the average level of maturity they eventually reach and the average level of intelligence that is "typical" for each of the different races walking this Earth. Now, obviously, there's going to be enough intermarriage between all the races to blur the results somewhat, but that's to be expected.

But, no researcher is going to do any research on the development of different races because his funding will be cut and he'll be branded as a "racist", which is a travesty because that's really nothing more than us intentionally sticking our heads in the sand for fear of what we'll see.

I believe that every large group of people has enough diversity in it that one will find a broad range in every measurable biological trait within each group. But, I also expect that there will be generalizations that could be made based on averages.

From what I see in Ferguson, Missouri, there are a relatively large number of black people there that are using the Michael Brown shooting as an excuse to riot and loot. While I fully understand that there are plenty of blacks that are protesting the GJ verdict in peaceful and lawful ways, and those protesters are being joined by whites who also saw prejudice in that verdict, I can't help thinking that the black population of Ferguson Missouri has a large number of people who are WANTING to riot and loot, and just look upon that GJ verdict as an excuse to do so. And, these blacks are rioting and looting knowing full well that Michael Brown just finished a strong arm robbery in a convenience store and was walking down the middle of the road so as to disrupt traffic for no reason other than spite.

To my way of thinking, those rioters and looters are completely ignoring the fact that Michael Brown's behaviour on the day he was killed, and their own behaviour by looting and rioting, is exactly why many white people are prejudice against blacks. They see that black people often lower the quality of life in the neighborhoods they live in by getting involved in drugs and committing crime, which seems to me to be exactly what Michael Brown was doing in Ferguson that day. Many whites consider blacks to be lazy and as drunkards, and the looters breaking into liquor stores only serves to confirm that "prejudice". Michael Brown had stolen cigars that could be refilled with marijuana to make "blunts" to smoke to get high. And to get them, he pushed the convenience store clerk out of the way to convince him that any protest would lead to a beating. That's not the kind of person I want to have anything to do with.

So, regardless of why Michael Brown was shot, why wouldn't my observation of what went on in Ferguson over the past few months help to convince me that many (but not all) blacks are undesireable to be around? They are using the Michael Brown shooting as an excuse to attack their own community. Why wouldn't I be wary of the ethics and morals of the black people I meet as a result of seeing what happened in Ferguson? Where am I wrong?

Sorry, but I'm only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

In article , philo*
wrote:

On 11/29/2014 06:02 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:


snip
.
Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?




Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

Thanks. I have actually had people argue with me at great lengths that
minorities, by definition, could not be racist.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:KaSdnRucKLoWw-fJnZ2dnUU7-
:

Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?


Yes, in America only whites (and "browns" i.e. Mexicans etc) can be racist.
By definition of democrats, liberals and "progressives" blacks/darkies are
*always* blameless.

On Saturday, November 29, 2014 11:57:31 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/29/2014 11:11 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

At some point, one stops relying on others/experts and starts relying
upon themselves. And for me, never certain, that is why I posted the
question tentatively, NOT definitively. Asking if anyone else noticed
'plastic face'.

What was your opinion?

My opinion is that he was rehearsed to the point of talking with no
emotion and the lawyers probably wanted it that way

That seems a lot more likely than botox. He also went through 4 hours
of testimony to the GJ. And I'm sure he was rehearsed in questioning for
that for many hours too. And they probably told him to stay factual,
not show emotion, etc.

On 11/30/2014 12:03 AM, nestork wrote:
No, not all blacks are rioting and looting, but can you not see how
people watching the rioting and looting that is going on in the USA
would come to the conclusion that a good percentage of the blacks in
Ferguson are just looking for a reason to go crazy, and that that
percentage is probably indicitive of the entire race?


Where am I wrong?


Perhaps you should compare to all the white people
riot and looting after OJ Simpson was found guilty.

If you look at all the white riots, you'll see how
blacks and whites are similar.


-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 11/29/2014 11:03 PM, nestork wrote:
Philo:

I believe that there ARE differences amonst the human races. I believe
that if the spotlight of science were to be shone on the biological
differences between the various human races on this Good Earth, we would
find important differences in the rate at which the different races
mature, the average level of maturity they eventually reach and the
average level of intelligence that is "typical" for each of the
different races walking this Earth.

The latest scientific studies are now asking the question:
Is there even such thing as race?

Bottom line though is that the differences between black and white
people are /cultural/ rather than genetic.

If you say that a culture that supports mindless looting is inferior
I'll agree with you.
If you say that the looters are doing so because they are genetically
inferior people, you are wrong.




Here is a little story:


I used to work in Chicago.
One day I was on the South side and walked into a McDonald's for lunch.
As soon as I walked in I saw that 100% of the people inside were black.

My first thought was to get the hell out of there fast.

Of course in my case at least when I'm hungry I can't be stopped and I
probably would have entered if the place had been burning to the ground.

At any rate, I stayed for lunch and of course absolutely nothing at all
happened.

But I will never forget that feeling of panic "Oh my God, I'm in the
WRONG place!"


So now put that shoe on the other foot and imagine what black people go
through every day.





snipped but read

On 11/30/2014 03:08 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , philo
wrote:

On 11/29/2014 06:02 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:


snip
.
Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?




Of course not, I've seen plenty of black racists and other nationalities
as well.

Lets face it , we all have prejudices my self included.

Thanks. I have actually had people argue with me at great lengths that
minorities, by definition, could not be racist.




Yep, I've heard that too...there is plenty of mis-information out there.

On 11/30/2014 06:24 AM, Zak W wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote in news:KaSdnRucKLoWw-fJnZ2dnUU7-
:

Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?


Yes, in America only whites (and "browns" i.e. Mexicans etc) can be racist.
By definition of democrats, liberals and "progressives" blacks/darkies are
*always* blameless.




All rot

bad behavior is bad behavior period.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:46:37 -0700, Phil Kangas
wrote:

...snip...
It looks like he was struck hard in the face
causing swelling
of cells which when swollen are pressurized and
won't move
normally. Botox? Are you nuts? As far as the town
is
concerned, I think nothing should be rebuilt and
the burned
cars should be left in place as is. Give the
nutjobs there
the town they want, they way they have re-arranged
it now
to suit their fancy. Brown was a jackass and the
people
know it. ****'em... If no respect is given none is
returned.

Good point. Although a lot of time from incident to interview to allow
total healing, but still, a good point.

Did you miss how some of the good citizens of Ferguson stood between the
'protesters' and one business to protect it, by locking arms and standing
their ground? No, they don't deserve to have their town destroyed. Plus,
IMO they were promised protection which they NEVER received. Oh, but the
police protected their police station. Hate to lose that symbol of
authority, of course, at the cost of losing several businesses. AND
Ferguson was promised protection which it NEVER received. No, the good
people of Ferguson don't deserve that treatment.

On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:02:19 -0700, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

...snip...
In short, a racist is someone who infers by the behavior of /some/
idiots such as the band of looters...that /all/ black people are a bunch
of "NI@@ERS" .
Just out of personal curiosity (I have this discussion every once
in awhile and the answers alway fascinate), is it only possible for
white people to be racist?

I once knew an outstanding individual with great spirit who once lamented
to me that when he started dating this one woman, also an outstanding
person [just a picture, but you could tell] He was ostracized by his old
friends and subjected to the most insulting personal comments, especially
from women, who would ask him, "What's wrong with you bro'? Aren't there
enough black women for you?" and on and on he was verbally assaulted. You
could tell that his treatment from severe racists hurt his feelings.
Especially when he saw how his new girlfriend was treated when she was
with him.

On 11/30/2014 9:14 AM, philo wrote:

Here is a little story:


I used to work in Chicago.
One day I was on the South side and walked into a McDonald's for lunch.
As soon as I walked in I saw that 100% of the people inside were black.

My first thought was to get the hell out of there fast.

Of course in my case at least when I'm hungry I can't be stopped and I
probably would have entered if the place had been burning to the ground.

At any rate, I stayed for lunch and of course absolutely nothing at all
happened.

But I will never forget that feeling of panic "Oh my God, I'm in the
WRONG place!"


So now put that shoe on the other foot and imagine what black people go
through every day.


When I was about twenty, I worked for McDonalds.
We had one guy, who will remain nameless. White
skinny kid, about two years younger than I. And
what a jerk. I remember his first day, he looked
so totally lost and clueless. The SOB on the
second day started to give orders. I'd been there
about a year, and for a day two clueless asshole
to walk past and tell me to polish the stainless,
does not set well.

Anyhow, a couple years later, I'm in the city. I
knew it was a black section. But what heck, I was
hungry. As I walked in, and started look around.
I was the only white guy in the store, except for
this asshole who was the manager. I guess pushy ass
holes get promoted, and given their own store.

So, I got in his cash register line. After they
cleared a couple orders, I'm at the register.

I said as loud as I could without shouting "HEY, DAVE!
NOW WE KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE MINORITIES,WE'RE
THE ONLY WHITE BOYS IN THE WHOLE STORE!!!!!"

Dave turned all shades of red. I heard people laughing
in the kitchen, and also behind me in line, and out
in the lobby. I got my burger and bugged out.

Ah, revenge. Be it ever so sweet. BTW, this was long
before I was a Mormon, not sure I'd handle the matter
today. I'm sure today I'm much more gracious and gentle,
got a problem with that, mofo?

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

RobertMacy wrote in
newsp.xp5cndky2cx0wh@ajm:

I once knew an outstanding individual with great spirit who once
lamented to me that when he started dating this one woman, also an
outstanding person [just a picture, but you could tell] He was
ostracized by his old friends and subjected to the most insulting
personal comments, especially
from women, who would ask him, "What's wrong with you bro'? Aren't
there
enough black women for you?" and on and on he was verbally assaulted.
You could tell that his treatment from severe racists hurt his
feelings. Especially when he saw how his new girlfriend was treated
when she was with him.


Yo dude! Nothing like white meat for a bro. Remember that when your
daugher brings one home.