On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote:

On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote:
I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in
concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old
Christians.

dgk,

Higgs did just fine.

That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not
Christians. More Christians died in those camps than
did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their
population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered
anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish,
devout or not.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html

Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are
probably the only reason there are any left.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html

Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not
Christians (or Jews for that matter).

-T

Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs.

Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests.

People have history all wrong.

The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon. The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior or subversive including Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, communists, people of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, artists who's art they didn't like and intellectuals who's ideas they didn't like.

It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe than any other group they targeted. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would have been a prime target.

The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans to reconstitute the Arien race... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching.

On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote:

On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote:
I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in
concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old
Christians.

dgk,

Higgs did just fine.

That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not
Christians. More Christians died in those camps than
did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their
population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered
anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish,
devout or not.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html

Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are
probably the only reason there are any left.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html

Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not
Christians (or Jews for that matter).

-T

Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs.

Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests.


dgk,
Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being
"European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown
Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches
and beat us. Sound familiar?

The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the
Nazis. Russia has a lot of Christians in it. In both
instances, it was not the Christians that did this, it
was, again, Atheist Socialist monsters.

In both instances, atheists did this, not Christians.

And here is Poland for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...ng_the_Nations

"Polish citizens have the world's highest count of individuals
who have been recognized as Righteous Among the Nations by Yad
Vashem as non-Jews who saved Jews from extermination during
the Holocaust. There are 6,394 (as of 1 January 2013)
Polish men and women recognized as "Righteous", about 26
percent of the total number of 24,811 awards.

By the way, I know a Polish man who, as a kid, had to witness
those Atheist Socialist monster ship a bunch of Jews off to
the camps and drag the Christian family that was protecting
them out in the street, murder them in front of everyone,
and leave them there. By the way, his remark about the
Nazis and the Soviets, since he had to live under both
before he escaped, was that the only difference between
them was the language they spoke. And by the way, it
was "Christians" that sheltered and protected him after
he escaped to Austria.

Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

-T

On 08/05/2014 08:20 AM, nestork wrote:

People have history all wrong.

The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon.
The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior including
Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, people
of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, and
artists who's art they didn't like.

It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but
that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe then than
any other group. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to
kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would
have been a prime target.

The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans
(which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but
their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and
that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as
the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of
the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed
Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim
teaching.

Hi Netstork,

To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both
the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any
grouping of people that had any kind of organization.
The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out
of Europe for their organization. The Soviet's
wouldn't even let Alcoholics Anonymous operate in
their empire for the longest time.

Interesting in that the Brown Shirts were an in-your-
face homosexual socialist movement. A real solid
organization, which is why Hitler had them all
machine gunned to death on Chrystal Night.

-T

"Todd" wrote in message


Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.

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On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message

Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.



What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets
certainly were not Christians.

And I wasn't referring to all atheists anyway. I was
referring to specific left wing socialist atheists.

A lot of atheists follow the moral guidelines
from the Monotheistic religions. Those that
don't, are the scary ones, such as Robespierre,
who started all this Left Wing stuff. Man if left to
his own devices will eventually choose the correct
path or some such drivel. The original mass murderer.

"Todd" wrote in message

On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message

Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.



What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets
certainly were not Christians.

No idea about the Russians but I am reasonably sure that many to most
German Nazis professed to be Christians. That does not mean they followed
the tenents of Christianity but that is true of many Christians today,
both in the US and elsewhere.

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Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?

What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an Italian or a space alien?

Why aren't we discussing something more important, like whether or not Barak Obama is a space alien? That, at least, matters. The constitution of the United States requires that the President of the USA be born in the United States. That would categorically rule out aliens from outer space, making the last US election void.

Todd wrote:

Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being
"European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown
Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches
and beat us. Sound familiar?


In Goebbels' diaries he noted that the SA was predominantly Protestant, the
SS Catholic. There was even a 'Reichsbischof', Ludwig Mueller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_M%C3%BCller

It wasn't much of a stretch. Luther laid the groundwork in 1543 with 'On the
Jews and their Lies':

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-
semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Luther had a real way with words.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 00:24:43 +0200, nestork
wrote:


Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?

What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an Italian
or a penguin?

Why aren't we discussing something more important, like whether or not
Oren is a penguin?

Nestork,

Higgs started this thread and it was marked "OT". She posted a link
and I agreed with her. Read that thread that somebody replied to and
removed the OT tag.

Aside, just so you know, I don't mind if you discuss me as a penguin.
If people are talking about me, then they are leaving other people
alone.

Furthermore, it was not about her religion. Try to keep up, please.

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:37:11 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Todd" wrote in message


Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.

Did he? Why do people defame theist? Look at the top ten IQs in the
world. most were theist a few were/are Christians. Only a few were
atheist. IIRC.

Todd wrote:

To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both
the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any
grouping of people that had any kind of organization.
The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out
of Europe for their organization.

What goes around...

http://www.everythingimportant.org/s...Adventists.htm

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:20:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:

The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans
(which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but
their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and
that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as
the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of
the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed
Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim
teaching.

Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien.

On 8/5/2014 6:24 PM, nestork wrote:

Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?

What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an Italian
or a penguin?

Why aren't we discussing something
more important, like whether or not
Oren is a penguin?




Do Penguins believe in God? I heard they worship
Satan, and they are a cult. I've heard they club
baby seals to death, and use the blood to make
Matzos, as symbolic of transubstantiation of the
original Baby Seal, who died to make lamp oil for
all our sins and light unto our feet, to show us
the way to live in peace, as the dolphins said
in the book of Dolphinotomy. Wow, I'm going to
have to wash my hands in Holy Seal Blubber, and
throw a priest over my left shoulder for luck.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/5/2014 11:20 AM, nestork wrote:

People have history all wrong.

The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon.
The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior including
Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, people
of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, and
artists who's art they didn't like.

It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but
that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe then than
any other group. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to
kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would
have been a prime target.

The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans
(which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but
their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and
that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as
the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of
the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed
Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim
teaching.

I also remember hearing they killed off a lot
of handicap and mental people.

Spell check got you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race




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Learn about Jesus
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On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:29:18 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote:
On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote:



On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote:

I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in

concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old

Christians.



dgk,



Higgs did just fine.



That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not

Christians. More Christians died in those camps than

did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their

population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered

anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish,

devout or not.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html



Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are

probably the only reason there are any left.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html



Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not

Christians (or Jews for that matter).



-T



Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs.



Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests.





dgk,

Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being

"European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown

Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches

and beat us. Sound familiar?



The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the

Nazis.

That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR,
but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who
died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Do Penguins believe in God? I heard they worship
Satan, and they are a cult. I've heard they club
baby seals to death, and use the blood to make
Matzos, as symbolic of transubstantiation of the
original Baby Seal,

Sister Mary Margaret would beat you to a bloody pulp with a steel edged
ruler for slander like that.

You have to remember that prior to WWII, the study of "Eugenics" was a well respected science. Eugenics was the comparative study of human races, which today would be labeled "racism". Prior to WWII, there was a lot of people comparing the size of people's heads to their score on IQ tests and comparing the IQ test results of different races of people; asian, negro, caucasian, mid-eastern and such. All of that kinda stuff would be considered "racist" today, and it's largely WWII that caused the comparative study of human races to be frowned upon. Nowadays, we're perfectly happy to compare the intelligence of dolphins to chimps and chimps to orangutans and even orangutans to certain birds, but no one wants to shine the light of science on the comparative study of human intelligence for fear of being labelled a racist and having their funding cut.

Nazi's considered mental illness as a genetic defect and therefore proof of inferiority, so that mental hospitals quietly exterminated their patients and attributed their deaths to heart attacks and strokes and the like.

I really don't know if defects at birth, like cleft palettes, hair lips or missing fingers or toes were something the Nazi's targeted as "genetic defects" worthy of extermination or not.

But, certainly, physical handicaps that arose after a person was born weren't considered "defects". A child who was disfigured after being kicked by a horse or a person who's hand was mutilated in a machine shop accident were considered "unlucky" rather than "inferior".

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message

On 8/5/2014 6:24 PM, nestork wrote:

Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?

What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an
Italian
or a penguin?

Why aren't we discussing something
more important, like whether or not
Oren is a penguin?




Do Penguins believe in God? I heard they worship
Satan, and they are a cult. I've heard they club
baby seals to death, and use the blood to make
Matzos, as symbolic of transubstantiation of the
original Baby Seal, who died to make lamp oil for
all our sins and light unto our feet, to show us
the way to live in peace, as the dolphins said
in the book of Dolphinotomy. Wow, I'm going to
have to wash my hands in Holy Seal Blubber, and
throw a priest over my left shoulder for luck.

Do the throwing at midnight in a cemetery for maximum benefit

--

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____________________________

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Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
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On 8/6/2014 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Do Penguins believe in God? I heard they worship
Satan, and they are a cult. I've heard they club
baby seals to death, and use the blood to make
Matzos, as symbolic of transubstantiation of the
original Baby Seal,

Sister Mary Margaret would beat you
to a bloody pulp with a steel edged
ruler for slander like that.


Was that the stern old woman in the
penguin costume?

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Learn about Jesus
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..

On 8/6/2014 10:00 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Do Penguins believe in God? I heard they worship
Satan, and they are a cult. I've heard they club
baby seals to death, and use the blood to make
Matzos, as symbolic of transubstantiation of the
original Baby Seal, who died to make lamp oil for
all our sins and light unto our feet, to show us
the way to live in peace, as the dolphins said
in the book of Dolphinotomy. Wow, I'm going to
have to wash my hands in Holy Seal Blubber, and
throw a priest over my left shoulder for luck.

Do the throwing at midnight in a cemetery
for maximum benefit


You know, there is great wisdom in this list.
I do thank you for your efforts, brother infidel.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Oren wrote:

Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien.

Iranians tend to have brown eyes and they are Aryans. The word comes from
the Sanscrit 'arya', meaning 'noble'. Before the names were changed to
protect the innocent, Buddhist literature referred to the 'Four Aryan
Truths', while 'Aryan' was used where the longer 'Indo-European' is today.

Jack Londom, following Nietzsche, obsessed more about the blonde beast than
the National Socialists. The latter only had to look into a mirror to
realize some selective breeding was necessary to even come close to the
ideal.

On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:28:55 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:20:50 +0200, nestork

wrote:


The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans

(which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but

their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and

that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as

the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of

the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed

Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim

teaching.



Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien.

Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a POSSIBLE but far from COMPLETE explanation of his Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of Jew hatred far antedates Hitler! Thus, a convenient outlet for his particular psychosis. He is said to have fought bravely in WW I and was wounded Maybe that helped?

That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace.

Had the Allies had an Eisenhower or a George Marshall in 1918. they would have had the good sense -- as did the post-WW II Allies -- to suck it up, help rebuild the country (create markets for their exports!!!!) and wind up with "friends" instead of smouldering enemies bent on THEIR revenge.

None of the above exculpates the Germans, who were expansionist way back in history - Lebensraum uber alles! -- They thought of themselves as the most cultured people in Europe. Yeah. Rigid, doctrinaire, and most important - OBEDIENT to the "rules". Whatever those might be. Does that give you a clue?

They were also very efficient, from building motor cars to organizing genocide.

"The Invisible Wall" by W. Michael Blumenthal, is a scholarly account of how far back in history German Jew-hatred can be traced.

HB

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:46:57 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote:



That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace.


Baloney. The Germans got off too easy. It took the destruction of
Germany in WWII to kill off German militarism.
Same with the Japs.
They were sick, and their cure was total defeat.

No, the first paragraph is closer to the truth than the second. It was the poverty that came about due to Germany having to pay war reparations after WWI that created ideal conditions for another war. People who are doing well and getting ahead in life don't want to go to war. It's when they're working hard and getting nowhere and can see that they're going nowhere and their kids won't go nowhere either that they vote for someone like Hitler that captures their imagination in returning their country to it's former glory and prosperity. War's biggest enemy is prosperity. No one who feels they're doing fairly well for themselves wants to go to war. It's only when they feel there's nothing to lose that they look at war as a feasible alternative to a miserable life.

The Marshall Plan, controversial though it was at the time, was probably the best decision the US and it's allies made after WWII. It was not the destruction of Germany that put an end to German militarism, but the prosperity in Germany as a result of the Marshall Plan that followed WWII. And, for 70 years since, Germany has been both prosperous and peaceful.

I don't think Adolf Hitler hated Jews any more than he hated Mormons or Gypsies. He was heavily influenced by Lenin, who in turn was heavily influenced by Darwin. Darwin postulated that environmental factors affect the development of individual species, and Lenin took that one step further and suggested that the same principles applied to the development of individual societies. Lenin believed that much of the stress and competition in society was the result of human greed for wealth, and that if the wealth of a country could be removed from the billionaire industrialists and placed in the hands of the people, then a society would emerge in which everyone would have sufficient income and resources to live a good and happy life. The result would be a utopia where everyone was happy and productive, and everyone benefited from everyone else's labour. This was the communist ideal that Lenin tried to establish in Russia, and Russia tried to establish in the Soviet republics that surrounded it geographically.

Hitler disagreed with communism because he saw that greed was a powerful incentive to people to work not only harder, but to produce better products more efficiently. Hitler was a staunch capitalist in that regard and saw that the pitfall of communism was that it removed the incentive for people to work harder and more efficiently. But, Hitler latched on to Lenin's idea of artificially maipulating the development of society to make a better society. But, in Hitler's mind, that meant restoring the Arien race of blonde haired blue eyed Germans, and that in turn meant exterminating all of the "inferior" races so that the dilution of Arien blood could not occur again. Hitler wanted to reconstitute the Arien race by breeding pure Germans with pure Germans and killing off all the other inferior races that might compromise the reconstitution of the pure German (pronounced "Arien") race.

My understanding is that Hitler didn't HATE Jews. He saw them as an inferior race that needed to be exterminated for the benefit of the human race.

Animosity against Jews in Europe extends back to the middle ages. At that time, the philosopy of the Church was that you lived your life by complete faith in the Bible. The Bible teaches to have faith in Jesus Christ. Jews didn't have faith in Jesus Christ, and were therefore considered "them" in the "us" versus "them" equation. But, Jews were in good company. The Church didn't really like the way stone masons were charging an arm and a leg to build cathedrals, and so there was animosity between the Church and the masons guild, and the masons guild is what eventually turned into the Masons we have today that do good Christian work for charities, hospitals and the community at large. The masonary contractors of medieval Europe were good upstanding Christians just like everyone else (cept the Jews) but they were in a conflict of interest when it came to negotiating wages with the Church. They wanted high wages, and that put them at odds with the local priests and bishops all over Europe. But, they were still Christians, and so they made the focus of their "Masons" Order one of doing charitible work within their communities, and the Masons still do that work, although their Order now consists of people from all walks of life, not just masonary contractors.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:07:29 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:


That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi

propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated

country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge

campaign. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent

on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations

from a starving populace.







Baloney. The Germans got off too easy. It took the destruction of

Germany in WWII to kill off German militarism. Same with the Japs.

They were sick, and their cure was total defeat.





No, the first paragraph is closer to the truth than the second. It was

the poverty that came about due to Germany having to pay war reparations

after WWI that created ideal conditions for another war.

The German economy was doing just fine in the 1920's after
WWI. It was the worldwide depression that started in 1929 that through
Germany and the rest of the world into an economic ditch. Most of the
rest of the world didn't use the depression as an excuse to start a
war to take over all of Europe and shove Jews into ovens.


People who

are doing well and getting ahead in life don't want to go to war.

Nonsense.

It's

when they're working hard and getting nowhere and can see that they're

going nowhere and their kids won't go nowhere either that they vote for

someone like Hitler that captures their imagination in returning their

country to it's former glory and prosperity.

There have been plenty of wars of agression fought over the centuries from
countries that were prosperous at the time. Poor economic conditions
are associated with revolutions within countries, not so much wars of
aggression. One problem is that it takes a strong economy to run a war
machine. Could the Romans have made it to England with a failing economy?
Could the Japanese have a navy capable of striking the USA if they
were broke?


War's biggest enemy is

prosperity. No one who feels they're doing fairly well for themselves

wants to go to war. It's only when they feel there's nothing to lose

that they look at war as a feasible alternative to a miserable life.



WWI was started because the powers involved were broke? Japan went on
it's war of aggression in Asia, invaded China, because Japan's economy
sucked? That's a new one. How about Napoleon's campaigns in Europe?
The Romans?






The Marshall Plan, controversial though it was at the time, was probably

the best decision the US and it's allies made after WWII. It was not

the destruction of Germany that put an end to German militarism, but the

prosperity in Germany as a result of the Marshall Plan that followed

WWII.

Seems the Allies put an end to German militarism. When you have no
Army, no Navy, no airforce, all your leadership is dead, military
leaders are in jail, you have no military. And I'd say the total
devastation that Germany suffered in WWII had a very big role in them
not being dumb enough to do it again. Don't get me wrong, I think the
Marshal Plan was a good thing. I just don't think handing out money
means people are going to convert to being civil. Iraq and Afghanistan
are two examples of where that hasn't worked.




And, for 70 years since, Germany has been both prosperous and

peaceful.



Yes, it worked spectacualarly well in Europe and Japan. And it's also
failed miserably in other countries where we've tried the same thing
recently, eg Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems the culture and values
of the people have a lot to do with it.

On 08/05/2014 08:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both
the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any
grouping of people that had any kind of organization.
The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out
of Europe for their organization.

What goes around...

http://www.everythingimportant.org/s...Adventists.htm



Yikes! Shows that the Nazis and Soviets liked to wipe
out even their friends, if they had an organization
separate from their own, even when they thought they
could control them.

Same thing happened in Cambodia when the Khmer
Rouge took over. All the "useful idiots" lined
up in glee and where the first ones those
Atheist Monsters murdered. Murder your friends
first, then you enemies. Brown Shirts learned
that one the hard way too.

On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:45:52 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote:

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Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a POSSIBLE but far from

COMPLETE explanation of his Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of

Jew hatred far antedates Hitler!



I don't think Adolf Hitler hated Jews any more than he hated Mormons or

Gypsies.

I think you're wrong. He hated the above too, but from speeches, writings,
etc I think it's obvious he hated Jews more, referring to them often as
the "filthy jew". He passed laws that stripped Jews of their rights to
be citizens, to marry outside their race. Did he do that to Mormons?



He was heavily influenced by Lenin, who in turn was heavily

influenced by Darwin. Darwin postulated that environmental factors

affect the development of individual species, and Lenin suggested that

the same logic could be applied to the development of individual

societies. Lenin believed that since mankind knew that society evolved

in response to certain factors, that governments could manage the

development of their societies by manipulating those developmental

factors. Lenin believed that Marx's idea of putting the country's

wealth in the hands of the people, and not individual billionaire

industrialists, would eliminate one of those external factors which

shaped society, which was natural human greed for wealth. Lenin

believed that by putting the countries wealth in the hands of the

people, a productive and harmoneous society would evolve in which

everyone would have sufficient income and resources to live a good and

happy life. Hitler disagreed with communism because he saw that greed

was a powerful incentive to people to work not only harder, but better

and more efficiently. Hitler latched on to Lenin's idea of maipulating

the development of society to make society better for all concerned.

But, in Hitler's mind, that meant restoring the Arien race, and that in

turn meant exterminating all of the "inferior" races so that the

dilution of Arien blood could not occur a second time. Hitler wanted to

reconstitute the Arien race by breeding pure Germans with pure Germans

and killing off every other human race that might compromise pure German

(pronounced "Arien") blood.



Hitler didn't HATE Jews.

Mow you're crossing the line into being a revisionist apologist for Hitler.
It's perfectly clear to anyone with a brain that knows history that Hitler hated Jews.



He saw them as an inferior race that needed to

be exterminated for the benefit of all mankind, just like gypsies,

homosexuals and mental retards. If anything, Hitler hated mental

retards the most as he considered them to be the most inferior

individuals in any group of people.


It's funny then that he reserved most of his most poisonous venom
in his writings, speeches, etc for the "filthy Jews". Did he use
similar terms for the mentally handicapped?

On 08/06/2014 04:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Yes, it worked spectacualarly well in Europe and Japan. And it's also
failed miserably in other countries where we've tried the same thing
recently, eg Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems the culture and values
of the people have a lot to do with it.

Where we succeeded, our military still has a presence
some 70 years later.

Where we did not succeed is where we "cut and run".
Depends on what idiot(s) we have running the show at
the time. Iraq is paying the penalty and Afghanistan
is going to start paying it shortly. Vietnam
payed for "cut and run" real bad too.

And we will have both sects of Muslims competing
with each other on how many of us they can kill.

On 8/6/2014 12:46 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a
POSSIBLE but far from COMPLETE explanation of his
Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of Jew hatred
far antedates Hitler! Thus, a convenient outlet for
his particular psychosis.

HB

Antedates: Occurs at a time, after.
Predates: Occurs at a time, before.

I suspect you mean predates?

--
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Learn about Jesus
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On 08/06/2014 04:24 PM, trader_4 wrote:
It's funny then that he reserved most of his most poisonous venom
in his writings, speeches, etc for the "filthy Jews". Did he use
similar terms for the mentally handicapped?

From what I have heard from eye witnesses, Hitler had
a special place in his black heart for anything Jewish.
For the rest, it was the regular place in his black heart.
He hated everyone equally but the Jews he hated more equally!

The Nazis picked the "mentally handicapped" in brightly
colored buses and promised to take them to wonderful
institutions. Then ...

In the United States, we just chop them to pieces inside
the womb. By the way, they try to scream with their partially
formed mouths. We have our own Nazis to contend with.

Disgusting in both instances.

On 8/6/2014 12:46 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:



He is said to have fought bravely in WW I and was wounded
Maybe that helped?
CY: Get back at the Jews who shot him? Could be.


That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of
the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on
fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in
ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign.
CY: Yep, the treaties after the war, not kind.

The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals
intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted
ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace.

CY: I'm not sure but what I'd do the same to the
Germans if I were writing treaties.






Had the Allies had an Eisenhower or a George Marshall
in 1918. they would have had the good sense -- as did the
post-WW II Allies -- to suck it up, help rebuild the country
(create markets for their exports!!!!) and wind up with
"friends" instead of smouldering enemies bent on THEIR revenge.

CY: How's that working in Gaza?


None of the above exculpates the Germans, who were
expansionist way back in history - Lebensraum uber alles! --
They thought of themselves as the most cultured people in
Europe. Yeah. Rigid, doctrinaire, and most important -
OBEDIENT to the "rules". Whatever those might be. Does
that give you a clue?

CY: Yep, they were related to Islam?



They were also very efficient, from building
motor cars to organizing genocide.

CY: You see the new German microwave oven?
Seats six comfortably.

"The Invisible Wall" by W. Michael Blumenthal, is a
scholarly account of how far back in history German
Jew-hatred can be traced.

CY: Care to share with the class?


HB

On 08/05/2014 12:12 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message

On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message

Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.



What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets
certainly were not Christians.

No idea about the Russians but I am reasonably sure that many to most
German Nazis professed to be Christians. That does not mean they
followed the tenents of Christianity but that is true of many Christians
today, both in the US and elsewhere.


The Russian Orthodox church was and is strong in Russia. Russian
Christians suffered horribly under the Atheist Soviet Terror: the
WORST persecution in all of Christian history. Please don't
anyone call the Soviet's Christian. Same with the Nazis.

Now for Christians:

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall
not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant,
nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey,
nor anything that is your neighbor's.” Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV

Means you can not be a Socialist. So Hitler was out. The
real German Christians were the ones who risked and often
lost their lives to protect the Jews. Christians then
as now act the same.

-T

On 08/05/2014 03:24 PM, nestork wrote:

Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?

What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an Italian
or a penguin?

Why aren't we discussing something more important, like whether or not
Oren is a penguin?


Higgs is a Penguin!?!?!? Now that explains a lot of things,
including the water on the floor and the funny walk! :-)

On 08/05/2014 08:48 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:37:11 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Todd" wrote in message


Stop bearing false witness against Christians.

Please stop defaming atheists.

Did he? Why do people defame theist? Look at the top ten IQs in the
world. most were theist a few were/are Christians. Only a few were
atheist. IIRC.



Hi Oren,

It is way simpler than that. People chooses evil because
it removes barriers. "Theists" have rules and boundaries.
Way too many barriers. Theists **** off those that don't
want to be restrained by those barriers, so they bear
false witness against them. A good example would be
the howling and shouting from the Left over abortion,
which is evil as all hell. Woman's right, my ass.

This is what John Adams had to say about it:

Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would
break the strongest cords of our Constitution as
a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was
made only for a moral and religious people. It
is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other

-T

On 08/05/2014 08:42 PM, rbowman wrote:
In Goebbels' diaries he noted that the SA was predominantly Protestant, the
SS Catholic. There was even a 'Reichsbischof', Ludwig Mueller.


That was an "association". Hitler murdered any devout
believer. Same as the IRA in Ireland, which call themselves
"Catholic" and are not. It is an "association". And,
by the way, an automatic excommunication from the Catholic
Church.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 19:35:51 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I suspect you mean predates?

_Hitler responds to the new apple iPad _

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMQL-C_0Ec

chuckle

On 08/06/2014 06:54 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:29:18 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote:
On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote:



On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote:

I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in

concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old

Christians.



dgk,



Higgs did just fine.



That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not

Christians. More Christians died in those camps than

did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their

population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered

anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish,

devout or not.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html



Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are

probably the only reason there are any left.



http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html



Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not

Christians (or Jews for that matter).



-T



Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs.



Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests.





dgk,

Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being

"European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown

Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches

and beat us. Sound familiar?



The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the

Nazis.

That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR,
but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who
died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies.



I would love it if it were so, less dead folks.
The death tool from the Ukrainian terror famine,
dwarfed Hitlers camps.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/

What’s not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of
socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the
National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The unspeakable
acts of Adolf Hitler’s Nazis pale in comparison with the
horrors committed by the communists in the former Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People’s Republic
of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef
Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise
responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own
people. Between 1949 and 1987, China’s communists, led
by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were
otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 million
Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history’s
most murderous regimes is documented on University
of Hawaii professor Rudolph J. Rummel’s website and
in his book “Death by Government.”


Hmmmmm. Death by Government. Yikes. Kind of says it all.

Todd wrote:

Yikes! Shows that the Nazis and Soviets liked to wipe
out even their friends, if they had an organization
separate from their own, even when they thought they
could control them.

It's a slow read but Rigg's 'Hitler's Jewish Soldiers' documents a strange
phenomenon. The most famous was Field Marshall Erhard Milch:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch

His mother wasn't Jewish so he technically wasn't a Jew but a Mischling and
was declared an Aryan. That's where the book bogs down, the minute
examination of the racial laws.

Even sadder, many middle class German Jews thought of themselves as Germans
and really didn't like the backward eastern Jews either. They thought Hitler
was just talking about the kaftan wearing Orthodox from the polish shetls.