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"Are you a Jew?"
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote:
On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote: I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old Christians. dgk, Higgs did just fine. That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not Christians. More Christians died in those camps than did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish, devout or not. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are probably the only reason there are any left. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not Christians (or Jews for that matter). -T Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs. Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests. |
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People have history all wrong.
The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon. The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior or subversive including Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, communists, people of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, artists who's art they didn't like and intellectuals who's ideas they didn't like. It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe than any other group they targeted. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would have been a prime target. The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans to reconstitute the Arien race... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching. Last edited by nestork : August 5th 14 at 07:16 PM |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 08/05/2014 08:20 AM, nestork wrote:
People have history all wrong. The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon. The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior including Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, people of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, and artists who's art they didn't like. It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe then than any other group. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would have been a prime target. The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching. Hi Netstork, To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any grouping of people that had any kind of organization. The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out of Europe for their organization. The Soviet's wouldn't even let Alcoholics Anonymous operate in their empire for the longest time. Interesting in that the Brown Shirts were an in-your- face homosexual socialist movement. A real solid organization, which is why Hitler had them all machine gunned to death on Chrystal Night. -T |
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"Are you a Jew?"
Todd wrote:
To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any grouping of people that had any kind of organization. The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out of Europe for their organization. What goes around... http://www.everythingimportant.org/s...Adventists.htm |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 08/05/2014 08:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote: To add one thing to what you correctly stated, both the Soviets and the Nazis first went after any grouping of people that had any kind of organization. The Seventh Day adventists were almost wiped out of Europe for their organization. What goes around... http://www.everythingimportant.org/s...Adventists.htm Yikes! Shows that the Nazis and Soviets liked to wipe out even their friends, if they had an organization separate from their own, even when they thought they could control them. Same thing happened in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge took over. All the "useful idiots" lined up in glee and where the first ones those Atheist Monsters murdered. Murder your friends first, then you enemies. Brown Shirts learned that one the hard way too. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
Todd wrote:
Yikes! Shows that the Nazis and Soviets liked to wipe out even their friends, if they had an organization separate from their own, even when they thought they could control them. It's a slow read but Rigg's 'Hitler's Jewish Soldiers' documents a strange phenomenon. The most famous was Field Marshall Erhard Milch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch His mother wasn't Jewish so he technically wasn't a Jew but a Mischling and was declared an Aryan. That's where the book bogs down, the minute examination of the racial laws. Even sadder, many middle class German Jews thought of themselves as Germans and really didn't like the backward eastern Jews either. They thought Hitler was just talking about the kaftan wearing Orthodox from the polish shetls. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:20:50 +0200, nestork
wrote: The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching. Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
Oren wrote:
Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien. Iranians tend to have brown eyes and they are Aryans. The word comes from the Sanscrit 'arya', meaning 'noble'. Before the names were changed to protect the innocent, Buddhist literature referred to the 'Four Aryan Truths', while 'Aryan' was used where the longer 'Indo-European' is today. Jack Londom, following Nietzsche, obsessed more about the blonde beast than the National Socialists. The latter only had to look into a mirror to realize some selective breeding was necessary to even come close to the ideal. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:28:55 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:20:50 +0200, nestork wrote: The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching. Is it true that Hilter had brown eyes? Thus not an Arien. Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a POSSIBLE but far from COMPLETE explanation of his Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of Jew hatred far antedates Hitler! Thus, a convenient outlet for his particular psychosis. He is said to have fought bravely in WW I and was wounded Maybe that helped? That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace. Had the Allies had an Eisenhower or a George Marshall in 1918. they would have had the good sense -- as did the post-WW II Allies -- to suck it up, help rebuild the country (create markets for their exports!!!!) and wind up with "friends" instead of smouldering enemies bent on THEIR revenge. None of the above exculpates the Germans, who were expansionist way back in history - Lebensraum uber alles! -- They thought of themselves as the most cultured people in Europe. Yeah. Rigid, doctrinaire, and most important - OBEDIENT to the "rules". Whatever those might be. Does that give you a clue? They were also very efficient, from building motor cars to organizing genocide. "The Invisible Wall" by W. Michael Blumenthal, is a scholarly account of how far back in history German Jew-hatred can be traced. HB |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:46:57 -0700 (PDT), Higgs Boson
wrote: That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace. Baloney. The Germans got off too easy. It took the destruction of Germany in WWII to kill off German militarism. Same with the Japs. They were sick, and their cure was total defeat. |
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The Marshall Plan, controversial though it was at the time, was probably the best decision the US and it's allies made after WWII. It was not the destruction of Germany that put an end to German militarism, but the prosperity in Germany as a result of the Marshall Plan that followed WWII. And, for 70 years since, Germany has been both prosperous and peaceful. |
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Hitler disagreed with communism because he saw that greed was a powerful incentive to people to work not only harder, but to produce better products more efficiently. Hitler was a staunch capitalist in that regard and saw that the pitfall of communism was that it removed the incentive for people to work harder and more efficiently. But, Hitler latched on to Lenin's idea of artificially maipulating the development of society to make a better society. But, in Hitler's mind, that meant restoring the Arien race of blonde haired blue eyed Germans, and that in turn meant exterminating all of the "inferior" races so that the dilution of Arien blood could not occur again. Hitler wanted to reconstitute the Arien race by breeding pure Germans with pure Germans and killing off all the other inferior races that might compromise the reconstitution of the pure German (pronounced "Arien") race. My understanding is that Hitler didn't HATE Jews. He saw them as an inferior race that needed to be exterminated for the benefit of the human race. Animosity against Jews in Europe extends back to the middle ages. At that time, the philosopy of the Church was that you lived your life by complete faith in the Bible. The Bible teaches to have faith in Jesus Christ. Jews didn't have faith in Jesus Christ, and were therefore considered "them" in the "us" versus "them" equation. But, Jews were in good company. The Church didn't really like the way stone masons were charging an arm and a leg to build cathedrals, and so there was animosity between the Church and the masons guild, and the masons guild is what eventually turned into the Masons we have today that do good Christian work for charities, hospitals and the community at large. The masonary contractors of medieval Europe were good upstanding Christians just like everyone else (cept the Jews) but they were in a conflict of interest when it came to negotiating wages with the Church. They wanted high wages, and that put them at odds with the local priests and bishops all over Europe. But, they were still Christians, and so they made the focus of their "Masons" Order one of doing charitible work within their communities, and the Masons still do that work, although their Order now consists of people from all walks of life, not just masonary contractors. Last edited by nestork : August 7th 14 at 12:25 AM |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:45:52 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
'Higgs Boson[_2_ Wrote: ;3268408'] Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a POSSIBLE but far from COMPLETE explanation of his Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of Jew hatred far antedates Hitler! I don't think Adolf Hitler hated Jews any more than he hated Mormons or Gypsies. I think you're wrong. He hated the above too, but from speeches, writings, etc I think it's obvious he hated Jews more, referring to them often as the "filthy jew". He passed laws that stripped Jews of their rights to be citizens, to marry outside their race. Did he do that to Mormons? He was heavily influenced by Lenin, who in turn was heavily influenced by Darwin. Darwin postulated that environmental factors affect the development of individual species, and Lenin suggested that the same logic could be applied to the development of individual societies. Lenin believed that since mankind knew that society evolved in response to certain factors, that governments could manage the development of their societies by manipulating those developmental factors. Lenin believed that Marx's idea of putting the country's wealth in the hands of the people, and not individual billionaire industrialists, would eliminate one of those external factors which shaped society, which was natural human greed for wealth. Lenin believed that by putting the countries wealth in the hands of the people, a productive and harmoneous society would evolve in which everyone would have sufficient income and resources to live a good and happy life. Hitler disagreed with communism because he saw that greed was a powerful incentive to people to work not only harder, but better and more efficiently. Hitler latched on to Lenin's idea of maipulating the development of society to make society better for all concerned. But, in Hitler's mind, that meant restoring the Arien race, and that in turn meant exterminating all of the "inferior" races so that the dilution of Arien blood could not occur a second time. Hitler wanted to reconstitute the Arien race by breeding pure Germans with pure Germans and killing off every other human race that might compromise pure German (pronounced "Arien") blood. Hitler didn't HATE Jews. Mow you're crossing the line into being a revisionist apologist for Hitler. It's perfectly clear to anyone with a brain that knows history that Hitler hated Jews. He saw them as an inferior race that needed to be exterminated for the benefit of all mankind, just like gypsies, homosexuals and mental retards. If anything, Hitler hated mental retards the most as he considered them to be the most inferior individuals in any group of people. It's funny then that he reserved most of his most poisonous venom in his writings, speeches, etc for the "filthy Jews". Did he use similar terms for the mentally handicapped? |
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"Are you a Jew?"
nestork wrote:
I don't think Adolf Hitler hated Jews any more than he hated Mormons or Gypsies. He was heavily influenced by Lenin, who in turn was heavily influenced by Darwin. What part of your butt did you pull that out of? |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 8/6/2014 12:46 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
Hitler may have had a Jewish grandparent, thus a POSSIBLE but far from COMPLETE explanation of his Jew-hatred. Germany's ancient history of Jew hatred far antedates Hitler! Thus, a convenient outlet for his particular psychosis. HB Antedates: Occurs at a time, after. Predates: Occurs at a time, before. I suspect you mean predates? -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 19:35:51 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: I suspect you mean predates? _Hitler responds to the new apple iPad _ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMQL-C_0Ec chuckle |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 8/6/2014 12:46 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
He is said to have fought bravely in WW I and was wounded Maybe that helped? CY: Get back at the Jews who shot him? Could be. That whole Aryan fairy-tale was just another aspect of the massive Nazi propaganda campaign. Which fell on fertile ground in a devastated country. Germany was in ruins due to the stupid post-WW I revenge campaign. CY: Yep, the treaties after the war, not kind. The Allies, *influenced by doddering French generals intent on payback for previous defeats* extracted ultra-punitive reparations from a starving populace. CY: I'm not sure but what I'd do the same to the Germans if I were writing treaties. Had the Allies had an Eisenhower or a George Marshall in 1918. they would have had the good sense -- as did the post-WW II Allies -- to suck it up, help rebuild the country (create markets for their exports!!!!) and wind up with "friends" instead of smouldering enemies bent on THEIR revenge. CY: How's that working in Gaza? None of the above exculpates the Germans, who were expansionist way back in history - Lebensraum uber alles! -- They thought of themselves as the most cultured people in Europe. Yeah. Rigid, doctrinaire, and most important - OBEDIENT to the "rules". Whatever those might be. Does that give you a clue? CY: Yep, they were related to Islam? They were also very efficient, from building motor cars to organizing genocide. CY: You see the new German microwave oven? Seats six comfortably. "The Invisible Wall" by W. Michael Blumenthal, is a scholarly account of how far back in history German Jew-hatred can be traced. CY: Care to share with the class? HB |
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"Are you a Jew?"
Stormin Mormon wrote:
CY: Get back at the Jews who shot him? Could be. Not really. One thing that soured him was the German Revolution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...8%E2%80%931919 That was seen as a stab in the back and the cause of the capitulation when the war might have been concluded with a more equitable armistice. Jews were overrepresented in the KPD (Communist Party of Germany) with some in very visible leadership positions; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg Many central European countries suffered from Communist inspired revolts. One of the worst was in Hungary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Hungary) Again Jews were greatly overrepresented in the Communist party. On the other end of the spectrum, bankers profited from the war and were ..... There were certainly other factors. Hitler had lived in Vienna and wasn't impressed by the backward Orthodox Jews he dealt with there. Later his mentor, Dietrich Eckart, was a virulent anti-Semite, along with Feder and Rosenberg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Eckart As HB mentioned, the roots go deep. Even Marx took a shot at the problem: https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...wish-question/ CY: I'm not sure but what I'd do the same to the Germans if I were writing treaties. That worked so well in the long run. Everybody thought WWI would be a jolly little war over by Christmas. Assigning all the blame and punitive damages to Germany was bull****. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
Higgs Boson wrote:
"The Invisible Wall" by W. Michael Blumenthal, is a scholarly account of how far back in history German Jew-hatred can be traced. As I mentioned in another post, Martin Luther certainly got his licks in. Of course Germany wasn't an isolate instance. When were Jews expelled from Britain? When were they allowed back? Columbus and the Jews sailed the ocean blue in 1492 too. Or became maranos. France? Yeah, they're real liberal. Poland? Another paradise, to this day. |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 8/5/2014 11:20 AM, nestork wrote:
People have history all wrong. The holocaust was not a Jewish phenomenon, it was a Nazi phenomenon. The Nazis killed everyone they considered to be inferior including Mormons, homosexuals, people with mental disabilities, gypsies, people of eastern European descent like Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, and artists who's art they didn't like. It's true that the Nazi's killed more Jews than any other group, but that was only because there were more Jews living in Europe then than any other group. If Hitler had won the war, he would have went on to kill every group of people he considered "inferior" and Africa would have been a prime target. The Nazis believed that an ancient race of blonde blue eyed Germans (which they called the "Ariens") originally dominated the world, but their blood line had been diluted by interbreeding with non-Ariens, and that the only way to bring back the Arien race to it's proper place as the dominant species of humans was to exterminate the inferior races of the world and have blonde blue eyed Germans breed with blonde blue eyed Germans... ...which is certainly not Christian or Jewish or Muslim teaching. I also remember hearing they killed off a lot of handicap and mental people. Spell check got you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Nazi's considered mental illness as a genetic defect and therefore proof of inferiority, so that mental hospitals quietly exterminated their patients and attributed their deaths to heart attacks and strokes and the like. I really don't know if defects at birth, like cleft palettes, hair lips or missing fingers or toes were something the Nazi's targeted as "genetic defects" worthy of extermination or not. But, certainly, physical handicaps that arose after a person was born weren't considered "defects". A child who was disfigured after being kicked by a horse or a person who's hand was mutilated in a machine shop accident were considered "unlucky" rather than "inferior". Last edited by nestork : August 6th 14 at 03:07 PM |
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"Are you a Jew?"
On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote: On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote: I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old Christians. dgk, Higgs did just fine. That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not Christians. More Christians died in those camps than did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish, devout or not. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are probably the only reason there are any left. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not Christians (or Jews for that matter). -T Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs. Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests. dgk, Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being "European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches and beat us. Sound familiar? The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the Nazis. Russia has a lot of Christians in it. In both instances, it was not the Christians that did this, it was, again, Atheist Socialist monsters. In both instances, atheists did this, not Christians. And here is Poland for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish...ng_the_Nations "Polish citizens have the world's highest count of individuals who have been recognized as Righteous Among the Nations by Yad Vashem as non-Jews who saved Jews from extermination during the Holocaust. There are 6,394 (as of 1 January 2013) Polish men and women recognized as "Righteous", about 26 percent of the total number of 24,811 awards. By the way, I know a Polish man who, as a kid, had to witness those Atheist Socialist monster ship a bunch of Jews off to the camps and drag the Christian family that was protecting them out in the street, murder them in front of everyone, and leave them there. By the way, his remark about the Nazis and the Soviets, since he had to live under both before he escaped, was that the only difference between them was the language they spoke. And by the way, it was "Christians" that sheltered and protected him after he escaped to Austria. Stop bearing false witness against Christians. -T |
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"Are you a Jew?"
"Todd" wrote in message
Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets certainly were not Christians. And I wasn't referring to all atheists anyway. I was referring to specific left wing socialist atheists. A lot of atheists follow the moral guidelines from the Monotheistic religions. Those that don't, are the scary ones, such as Robespierre, who started all this Left Wing stuff. Man if left to his own devices will eventually choose the correct path or some such drivel. The original mass murderer. |
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"Todd" wrote in message
On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote: "Todd" wrote in message Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets certainly were not Christians. No idea about the Russians but I am reasonably sure that many to most German Nazis professed to be Christians. That does not mean they followed the tenents of Christianity but that is true of many Christians today, both in the US and elsewhere. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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Why are we discussing Higgs Boson's religion?
What difference does it make if Higgs is a Jew, a Christian, an Italian or a space alien? Why aren't we discussing something more important, like whether or not Barak Obama is a space alien? That, at least, matters. The constitution of the United States requires that the President of the USA be born in the United States. That would categorically rule out aliens from outer space, making the last US election void. Last edited by nestork : August 6th 14 at 03:17 AM |
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On 08/05/2014 12:12 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Todd" wrote in message On 08/05/2014 10:37 AM, dadiOH wrote: "Todd" wrote in message Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. What part is not true? The Nazis and Soviets certainly were not Christians. No idea about the Russians but I am reasonably sure that many to most German Nazis professed to be Christians. That does not mean they followed the tenents of Christianity but that is true of many Christians today, both in the US and elsewhere. The Russian Orthodox church was and is strong in Russia. Russian Christians suffered horribly under the Atheist Soviet Terror: the WORST persecution in all of Christian history. Please don't anyone call the Soviet's Christian. Same with the Nazis. Now for Christians: 10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.” Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV Means you can not be a Socialist. So Hitler was out. The real German Christians were the ones who risked and often lost their lives to protect the Jews. Christians then as now act the same. -T |
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:37:11 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: "Todd" wrote in message Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. Did he? Why do people defame theist? Look at the top ten IQs in the world. most were theist a few were/are Christians. Only a few were atheist. IIRC. |
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On 08/05/2014 08:48 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:37:11 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: "Todd" wrote in message Stop bearing false witness against Christians. Please stop defaming atheists. Did he? Why do people defame theist? Look at the top ten IQs in the world. most were theist a few were/are Christians. Only a few were atheist. IIRC. Hi Oren, It is way simpler than that. People chooses evil because it removes barriers. "Theists" have rules and boundaries. Way too many barriers. Theists **** off those that don't want to be restrained by those barriers, so they bear false witness against them. A good example would be the howling and shouting from the Left over abortion, which is evil as all hell. Woman's right, my ass. This is what John Adams had to say about it: Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other -T |
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Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being "European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches and beat us. Sound familiar? In Goebbels' diaries he noted that the SA was predominantly Protestant, the SS Catholic. There was even a 'Reichsbischof', Ludwig Mueller. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_M%C3%BCller It wasn't much of a stretch. Luther laid the groundwork in 1543 with 'On the Jews and their Lies': http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti- semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html Luther had a real way with words. |
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On 08/05/2014 08:42 PM, rbowman wrote:
In Goebbels' diaries he noted that the SA was predominantly Protestant, the SS Catholic. There was even a 'Reichsbischof', Ludwig Mueller. That was an "association". Hitler murdered any devout believer. Same as the IRA in Ireland, which call themselves "Catholic" and are not. It is an "association". And, by the way, an automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church. |
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That was an "association". Hitler murdered any devout believer. Same as the IRA in Ireland, which call themselves "Catholic" and are not. It is an "association". And, by the way, an automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church. And that murderous *******, Ian Paisley, calls himself a Presbyterian.... |
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On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:29:18 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote:
On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote: On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote: I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old Christians. dgk, Higgs did just fine. That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not Christians. More Christians died in those camps than did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish, devout or not. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are probably the only reason there are any left. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not Christians (or Jews for that matter). -T Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs. Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests. dgk, Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being "European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches and beat us. Sound familiar? The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the Nazis. That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR, but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies. |
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On 08/06/2014 06:54 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:29:18 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote: On 08/05/2014 07:03 AM, dgk wrote: On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:30:47 -0700, Todd wrote: On 07/31/2014 05:36 AM, dgk wrote: I really expect better from you Higgs. The Muslims didn't put Jews in concentration camps and kill them with gas. That was good old Christians. dgk, Higgs did just fine. That was socialist atheist monsters that did that, not Christians. More Christians died in those camps than did Jews (though not in the same proportion of their population). Those atheist socialist monsters murdered anyone that was a devout believer and anything Jewish, devout or not. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...shVictims.html Christian risked their lives to protect the Jews and are probably the only reason there are any left. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...righteous.html Please stop slandering Christians. Atheists act this way, not Christians (or Jews for that matter). -T Now I have to wash my mouth out again for agreeing with Higgs. Incorrect, Germans and Poles didn't suddenly become athiests. dgk, Baloney. "Germans and Poles" are "European". Being "European" does not make you a Christian. The Brown Shirts use to drag us out in the street from our churches and beat us. Sound familiar? The Soviet Terror killed far more than did the Nazis. That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR, but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies. I would love it if it were so, less dead folks. The death tool from the Ukrainian terror famine, dwarfed Hitlers camps. http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/ What’s not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler’s Nazis pale in comparison with the horrors committed by the communists in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People’s Republic of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. Between 1949 and 1987, China’s communists, led by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 million Chinese. The most authoritative tally of history’s most murderous regimes is documented on University of Hawaii professor Rudolph J. Rummel’s website and in his book “Death by Government.” Hmmmmm. Death by Government. Yikes. Kind of says it all. |
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On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:18:33 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote:
That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR, but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies. I would love it if it were so, less dead folks. The death tool from the Ukrainian terror famine, dwarfed Hitlers camps. You have a different, limited system of counting. You're apparently only looking at the deaths in Hitler's concentration camps and not the real number that died as a result of Hitler. The latter is a total of over 60 million people that died in WWII, 50mil+ of which were in Europe, and those 50 mil at least, are directly attributable to Hitler. http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/ What�s not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers� Party. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler�s Nazis pale in comparison with the horrors committed by the communists in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People�s Republic of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. The above is pretty much a fluff piece. There is no actual data, no definition of what he's counting and not counting. He just tosses out a number, anyone can do that. It's clearly not just those that died in the gulags or were deliberately executed, not to get to that number. If you have a factual analysis that goes through the numbers, that would be interesting. |
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On 08/07/2014 06:41 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 8:18:33 PM UTC-4, Todd wrote: That's factually incorrect. There were a lot of people killed in the USSR, but the death toll from WWII in Europe and Africa was many times the number who died at the hands of Stalin and the Russian commies. I would love it if it were so, less dead folks. The death tool from the Ukrainian terror famine, dwarfed Hitlers camps. You have a different, limited system of counting. You're apparently only looking at the deaths in Hitler's concentration camps and not the real number that died as a result of Hitler. The latter is a total of over 60 million people that died in WWII, 50mil+ of which were in Europe, and those 50 mil at least, are directly attributable to Hitler. http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/socialisms-death-count/ What�s not appreciated is that Nazism is a form of socialism. In fact, the term Nazi stands for the National Socialist German Workers� Party. The unspeakable acts of Adolf Hitler�s Nazis pale in comparison with the horrors committed by the communists in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People�s Republic of China. Between 1917 and 1987, Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. The above is pretty much a fluff piece. There is no actual data, no definition of what he's counting and not counting. He just tosses out a number, anyone can do that. It's clearly not just those that died in the gulags or were deliberately executed, not to get to that number. If you have a factual analysis that goes through the numbers, that would be interesting. I would love to be wrong. |
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50mil+ of which were in Europe, and those 50 mil at least, are directly attributable to Hitler. I'd say many of those millions were from Stalin's choice to supply the Wehrmacht with an endless supply of action targets. |
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