Todd wrote:

And according to Winston Churchill "The Gathering Storm"
England was propping up Germany economy with gold.
Don't discount the depression and the evil of coveting
your neighbors property (Nazi's)

That drunken failure said a lot of things when he was trying to promote
another war to redeem himself for his disastorous decisions in WWI. Ever
read what he had to say about the Jews before they rescued his bankrupt ass?

Todd wrote:

Yes, that does not sound right. But, I don't think he
meant it the way it came out. He was going after Hitler's
Eugenics thing. But, it is obvious Hitler had a special place
in his heart for anything Jewish. I think he was trying
to explain were Hitler got it from.

You can trace the genesis of Hitler's beliefs to a lot of people but Comrade
Lenin wasn't one of them.

Higgs Boson wrote:

I think Stormie is confusing grammar usage with Hitler's appropriate of
the millennial Jew-hatred for construction of his Thousand Year Reich.

Stormie feigns stupidity when he goes off on one of his grammar tangents.
Many people would rather thing der Deutsche Michel was a happy go lucky
creature content to drink beer and smoke his pipe prior to Hitler.

Ignoring hundreds of years of history seems to be an American failing. I
haven't played in years but I was a crappy chess player. I didn't know the
history, the famous games, the standard openings or any of that good stuff.
I'd just react to each move as it happened. Sometimes I'd win, usually I'd
lose. That's the US strategy and it's always a surprise when the Shi'a kill
the Sunnis, the Druze kill both given a chance, the Serbs hate the Croats
because of that little party that went awry in 1341...

Higgs Boson wrote:

Oops - "appropriation"

At least you beat Stormie and another tangent filled with bad puns and
nonsequiturs.

Todd wrote:

Some things I wold like to add. In WWII the war was definable
not over when it was over. The was for the peace went on for
many years. If memory serves me, it was 7 year in Germany and
8 years in Japan. The Germans were called Whearwolfen (no
idea how to spell it). We would catch them and tie them to
a fence post and shoot them. That was back when we were serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf

Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?

The Soviets were serious, the Allies not so much.

"Unless the citizens of the city of Stuppach within three hours produced the
German officer that the U.S. forces believed was hiding there they were
informed that: all male inhabitants would be shot, women and children
expelled to the surrounding wilderness and the city razed.[61]"

Well, maybe a little serious.

On 08/08/2014 10:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

Some things I wold like to add. In WWII the war was definable
not over when it was over. The was for the peace went on for
many years. If memory serves me, it was 7 year in Germany and
8 years in Japan. The Germans were called Whearwolfen (no
idea how to spell it). We would catch them and tie them to
a fence post and shoot them. That was back when we were serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf

Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?

They would find out the real meaning of "A well regulated Militia",
meaning every able bodies male.

Here is the rub, when the Nazi invaders kicked out the
Soviet invaders, they were welcomed, as you say, with flowers.
Didn't last very long though. Eastern Europe got screwed going
and coming.


The Soviets were serious, the Allies not so much.

"Unless the citizens of the city of Stuppach within three hours produced the
German officer that the U.S. forces believed was hiding there they were
informed that: all male inhabitants would be shot, women and children
expelled to the surrounding wilderness and the city razed.[61]"

Well, maybe a little serious.

On 08/08/2014 08:59 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

And according to Winston Churchill "The Gathering Storm"
England was propping up Germany economy with gold.
Don't discount the depression and the evil of coveting
your neighbors property (Nazi's)

That drunken failure said a lot of things when he was trying to promote
another war to redeem himself for his disastorous decisions in WWI. Ever
read what he had to say about the Jews before they rescued his bankrupt ass?


Are you sure you just don't like the guy
because of his politics?

A lot of folks were anti semitic but were horrified
by the holocost (misspelled, I know, too tired to
look it up) and changed their tune.

Don't discount Hitler himself. Envy is a power (and
evil) tool. He was the king of it.

On 08/08/2014 09:02 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

Yes, that does not sound right. But, I don't think he
meant it the way it came out. He was going after Hitler's
Eugenics thing. But, it is obvious Hitler had a special place
in his heart for anything Jewish. I think he was trying
to explain were Hitler got it from.

You can trace the genesis of Hitler's beliefs to a lot of people but Comrade
Lenin wasn't one of them.


Don't forget the two of them like to kiss each other asses.
And Germans socialists flooded in and out of the Nazi and
Communist party, depending on which one they though was on top.

You should hear Hitler wax on and on about the Soviets creating
a society with no unemployment.

On 08/08/2014 08:57 PM, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:

And, remember, the Soviets carved up Poland with
the Nazis. The are just as much the aggressor as
was Hitler. (Stupid mistake, one socialist monster
attacking another.)

Stalin was stalling for time to build up the Red Army. The attack was
inevitable.



Everyone was.

On 8/9/2014 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?


Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers. I'd plunk down my credit card,
demand immediate sets of finger prints, back ground
check, approval by a county court judge, get immediate
start on the 15 day waiting period, NICS check,
qualification and safety class, live fire safety check,
gunsmith safety inspection with renewable sticker,
and taxes, and registration and delivery fees. And then
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 8/9/2014 2:01 AM, Todd wrote:
On 08/08/2014 10:04 PM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by
Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?

They would find out the real meaning of "A well regulated Militia",
meaning every able bodies male.


Wolverines!

(Anyone remember the movie, Red Dawn?)

Sadly, in the US, government is trying to take
all guns away from the people, a few at a time.

--
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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 8/9/2014 2:05 AM, Todd wrote:

Don't discount Hitler himself. Envy is a power (and
evil) tool. He was the king of it.

Hitler, didn't he used to say things like "the
rich didn't pay their fair share!", that kind
of thing?

"I could fix the problem, but the Republicans,
they keep standing in the way."

"Look, Hindenberg. I've got a pen and a phone,
I can go around Congress. Give me full powers
or we'll have fire and ruin."

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/8/2014 9:57 AM, nestork wrote:

I think the most important point that's not been mentioned so far in
this thread is how both the Nazi and Allied governments used propoganda
to motivate their populations.



The only thing that bothers me is that I still see examples of
governments lying to their people in order to get the populations
support to do what that government wants.

1. In the USA, the most obvious example was when the US government said
that prescription drugs imported from Canada weren't as safe as US
drugs.

I'd have said that the class envy rhetoric in the USA
was the most obvious example.

* The rich didn't pay their fair share
* The Republican war on women
* The Republicans won't let me pass my bills
* A vast right wing conspiracy

--
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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On Friday, August 8, 2014 11:45:26 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
trader_4 wrote:



Given that their troops were helping oversea the killing of Jewish and

Gypsie children, handicapped childre too, it sounds like the Britts had it

about right.



How many kids did Bomber Harris and his Merry Men kill? How about this bit

of poetic justice:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona_(1927)



5000 people had survived the prison camps and were being evacuated before

the Soviet animals reached them only to have the ship sunk by the RAF.

Ironically, the Cap Arcona had been used in filming the 1943 German

'Titanic'. About 1500 died when the Titanic sank, versus over 5000 deaths

when the RAF sank the Cap Arcona. Raise your hands if you've ever heard of

the Cap Arcona. I doubt DiCaprio and Wnslet are going to star in that movie.

You're pretty desperate now. Trying to compare the holocaust to the Britts
sinking a ship during war that they didn't know had prisoners. What exactly
would the purpose of the Allies sinking a prisoner ship be? On the other
hand we know exactly what the motives of the Nazis were for their holocaust..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona_(1927)


"Pilots in the attacking force were unaware that the ships were laden with prisoners who had survived the camps. Some sources suggest elements of British command knew, but had failed to pass on the information.[note 2] The RAF commanders ordering the strike reportedly thought that the ships carried escaping SS officers, possibly fleeing to German-controlled Norway with a dilapidated wreck.[15]"

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 1:04:12 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:



Some things I wold like to add. In WWII the war was definable

not over when it was over. The was for the peace went on for

many years. If memory serves me, it was 7 year in Germany and

8 years in Japan. The Germans were called Whearwolfen (no

idea how to spell it). We would catch them and tie them to

a fence post and shoot them. That was back when we were serious.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf



Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese

troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new

masters with flowers?



That would obviously depend on the conditions at the time, who was invading,
and what their purpose was. If it was China invading tomorrow, of course
they would be treated as enemies. If the USA were to succumb to some govt
like the Nazis, that was committing genocide, and we were be liberated by
say the UK and Australia, I'd welcome them. See how easy that is?



The Soviets were serious, the Allies not so much.



IDK what you're even talking about there.




"Unless the citizens of the city of Stuppach within three hours produced the

German officer that the U.S. forces believed was hiding there they were

informed that: all male inhabitants would be shot, women and children

expelled to the surrounding wilderness and the city razed.[61]"



Well, maybe a little serious.

No idea where that excerpt came from, or it's accuracy. Probably from some
revisionist, America hating skunks. Even if threats were made, apparently
the actions wasn't carried out, or you'd be here celebrating it, wouldn't
you?

trader_4 wrote:

That would obviously depend on the conditions at the time, who was
invading, and what their purpose was. If it was China invading tomorrow,
of course they would be treated as enemies. If the USA were to succumb to
some govt like the Nazis, that was committing genocide, and we were be
liberated by say the UK and Australia, I'd welcome them. See how easy
that is?

It's only easy if your world is black and white.

Todd wrote:

Here is the rub, when the Nazi invaders kicked out the
Soviet invaders, they were welcomed, as you say, with flowers.
Didn't last very long though. Eastern Europe got screwed going
and coming.

Depends. The ethnic Germans in eastern Europe were happy. If you look at an
unstable creature of the WWI treaties like Czechoslovakia, the German
citizens were treated poorly by the Czechs. For example, actual membership
in the Party was much higher in Sudetenland than Bermany.

Eastern Europe is multiethnic and the boundaries tend to be drawn by
politicians with no regard to long standing ethnic rivalries. It is
impossible to generalize any more than can you do so in the middle East.

Are you aware of the screwing, literally and figuratively, that the ethnic
German civilians in the east took as the Gallant Red Army advanced?

Stormin Mormon wrote:

(Anyone remember the movie, Red Dawn?)

Which one? At least the first one didn't show the Spokane WA based
Wolverines operating in hardwood forests.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers.

Or sign up for Adult Education classes in Mandarin...

trader_4 wrote:

You're pretty desperate now. Trying to compare the holocaust to the
Britts sinking a ship during war that they didn't know had prisoners.

How about the Allies firebombing Dresden? How about the Allies firebombing
insignificant towns days before the end of the war because, well, they had
left over bombs and they hadn't visited those towns yet?

How about Lindemann's 'Dehousing' plan that he sold to Churchill? The
easiest way to stop German war production is to bomb civilain housing. While
you're at it, go for the working class quarters; the middle class has lawns
and other open space, so the fires won't spread so quickly.

Had Britain opened Palestine to Jewish refugees, would there have been a
holocaust? In the early years, the Nazis just wanted the Jews someplace else
and didn't particularly care where. Unfortunately, nobody else wanted them
either. How many Jewish refugees did the US take in that weren't rock stars
like Einstein or wealthy? Why did FDR stay silent when the St. Louis was
looking for some place to dock and discharge its passengers? Why did the
ship ultimately have to return to Europe?

Convenient excuse, "We didn't know they were civilian prisoners." Goes well
with "We thought that ship with the US flag was an Egyptian warship", or "We
thought that Iranian airliner was a Russian bomber."

On 8/9/2014 3:31 PM, rbowman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

(Anyone remember the movie, Red Dawn?)

Which one? At least the first one didn't show the Spokane WA based
Wolverines operating in hardwood forests.


Hardwood is good, too, you know.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/9/2014 3:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers.

Or sign up for Adult Education classes in Mandarin...

I can't play Banjo or Guitar, but I could
pick up on the mandarin, I guess....

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Todd wrote:

Don't forget the two of them like to kiss each other asses.

Hitler was also playing for time. 'Mein Kampf', unlike most puff pieces by
politicians, didn't leave much doubt about his plans. Presumably Stalin had
read it. otoh, Roosevelt seemed to genuinely enjoy having his tongue up
Stalin's ass.

And Germans socialists flooded in and out of the Nazi and
Communist party, depending on which one they though was on top.

True believers. The Nazis were fully aware that a fervent Communist makes a
fervent National Socialist when you reprogram them. You don't necessarily
trust them but they're useful idiots.

The more radical socialists like the Strassers and Röhm didn't fare well.
Gregor Stasser and Röhm were killed in the Long Knives purge and Otto
marginalized.

Perhaps Hitler should have listened. The old nobility and military castes
feared for their privileged positions and actively conspired to lose the
war. Canaris, Halder, Oster, Lahousen, and others cost him heavily. With the
Abwehr and OKW not only feeding him misinformation and leaking intelligence
to the enemy, as well as purposefully reassigning troops without telling
anyone, he didn't have a chance. When looking at some of the stranger
decisions of the eastern campaign, look at that clique of traitors.

Closer to home, you have to wonder if any of the autonomous agencies feed
the POTUS bull**** in an attempt to derail his projects. It certainly seems
so at times.

Todd wrote:

Are you sure you just don't like the guy
because of his politics?

Churchill's politics were opportunism. Wars are good career enhancers and
his career needed some serious enhancing. He also hated Germany on
principle. You have to remember that Britannia was top dog. Germany wasn't
even a country to the latter part of the 19th century and were lagging in
behind in the industrial revolution. Like Japan, Korea, and now China, once
they got the bit in their teeth, they came on strong and were a principle
competitor. In seeking overseas colonies to provide raw materials and
markets, they were challenging Britain's rule of the world.

WWI was an attempt to set Germany back to the Dark Ages. When that didn't
work, Churchill wanted to try again. It's an overused term but Britain saw
Germany as an 'existential threat' to their bottom line.

A lot of folks were anti semitic but were horrified
by the holocost (misspelled, I know, too tired to
look it up) and changed their tune.

'Changed their tune' is the correct phrase. Do you think what goes on in
their mind changed when they learned more polite lyrics?

Stormin Mormon wrote:

"Look, Hindenberg. I've got a pen and a phone,
I can go around Congress. Give me full powers
or we'll have fire and ruin."

Had Hitler died of a heart attack while eating a creme cake around 1938 or
1939, he would be on the list of great European leaders. Compare that to the
shambles of the Weimar Republic. A democracy, constitutional republic, or
whatever really isn't too good at getting things done. If there is a vision,
it changes every 4 or 8 years as the nation stumbles from crisis to crisis.

It was utter hubris but Speer talked about being directed to design
buildings that would degrade to picturesque ruins in 1000 years like the
Coliseum and so forth. In the US, the philosophy is if it doesn't fall down
of its own accord in 25 years, demolish it and build something modern.

Todd wrote:

Everyone was.

That's true. Poland was chomping at the bit to attack Germany because they
had an overwhelming military advantage. They hemed and hawed, influenced by
Britain and France, while Germany rebuilt. Still, that story about the
Polish cavalry quixotically charging German tanks is a beautiful propaganda
piece to stiffen up the French and British civilians for yet another war.
Like anybody really gave a tinkers dam about Poland except as a pawn in the
Great Game.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:29:01 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

Had Hitler died of a heart attack while eating a creme cake around 1938 or
1939

He'd still be a roach. Putting his views on paper in Mein Kampf - and
publishing it - sealed his legacy as a roach.
Odd, somebody defending Hitler.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:45:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/9/2014 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?


Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers. I'd plunk down my credit card,
demand immediate sets of finger prints, back ground
check, approval by a county court judge, get immediate
start on the 15 day waiting period, NICS check,
qualification and safety class, live fire safety check,
gunsmith safety inspection with renewable sticker,
and taxes, and registration and delivery fees. And then
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.
--
"I'd rather have a loyal dog that licks me than one with a pedigree that bites me" -- Mike Huckabee

Oren wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:45:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/9/2014 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?


Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers. I'd plunk down my credit card,
demand immediate sets of finger prints, back ground
check, approval by a county court judge, get immediate
start on the 15 day waiting period, NICS check,
qualification and safety class, live fire safety check,
gunsmith safety inspection with renewable sticker,
and taxes, and registration and delivery fees. And then
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.

Hi,
God does not need any fire arms. Only human does. I don't, LOL!

On 8/9/2014 6:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:45:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/9/2014 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?


Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers. I'd plunk down my credit card,
demand immediate sets of finger prints, back ground
check, approval by a county court judge, get immediate
start on the 15 day waiting period, NICS check,
qualification and safety class, live fire safety check,
gunsmith safety inspection with renewable sticker,
and taxes, and registration and delivery fees. And then
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.

I'll head for the gun store on Monday. Well,
there was one down the road from me, but they
are no longer there. And the one about five
miles away, closed about ten years ago. And, and.

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On 8/9/2014 6:30 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:45:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.

Hi,
God does not need any fire arms. Only human does. I don't, LOL!

Wait till the socialists arrive where you
are. You'll wish for a gun, then.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 18:34:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/9/2014 6:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:45:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/9/2014 1:04 AM, rbowman wrote:
Let me ask a hypothetical question. If the US were invaded, say by Chinese
troops, would you be in the resistance or would you welcome you're new
masters with flowers?


Oh, easy choice! If the Chinese invaded the US, I'd
keep an eye, see if they were getting close to New York,
where I am. If so, I'd head straight out to the county
building, and bring my application fee, and demand the
firearm permit papers. I'd plunk down my credit card,
demand immediate sets of finger prints, back ground
check, approval by a county court judge, get immediate
start on the 15 day waiting period, NICS check,
qualification and safety class, live fire safety check,
gunsmith safety inspection with renewable sticker,
and taxes, and registration and delivery fees. And then
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.

I'll head for the gun store on Monday. Well,
there was one down the road from me, but they
are no longer there. And the one about five
miles away, closed about ten years ago. And, and.

You can buy a gun without a gun store. Friend to friend - if you get
my drift.
--
"I'd rather have a loyal dog that licks me than one with a pedigree that bites me" -- Mike Huckabee

On 8/9/2014 6:55 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 18:34:25 -0400, Stormin Mormon
I'd try to find a concealed spot, and see if I can
hit the broad side of a barn with it. What kind of gun
should I buy, anyway?

Buy any gun you like. Skip all that paper work and government control
of your natural God given rights.

I'll head for the gun store on Monday. Well,
there was one down the road from me, but they
are no longer there. And the one about five
miles away, closed about ten years ago. And, and.

You can buy a gun without a gun store.
Friend to friend - if you get
my drift.


"I played right drift in high school."
BF Pierce, 4077th MASH.

Yep, I get you. A friend and I should go
together to the gun store. Much better.
Shooting buddies and all.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 8/9/2014 3:31 PM, rbowman wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

(Anyone remember the movie, Red Dawn?)

Which one? At least the first one didn't show the Spokane WA based
Wolverines operating in hardwood forests.


Hardwood is good, too, you know.

Oh, hardwood is fine. I really miss the mixed deciduous forests you find in
the east. Problem is, there aren't any frigging hardwood forests within 1000
miles of Spokane. The cheap *******s shot the movie in Michigan with a few
establishing shots around Spokane.

I'm funny that way -- I pay attention to the landforms, flora, and fauna
when watching a movie. The original was set in Colorado with most of the
locations in New Mexico. Nothing jumps out at you as strange.

I don't have a clue why they moved the action to Spokane, but then I'm not
too sure why they remade the movie in the first place. Rather than try to
make Pontiac look like Spokane, just establish the story in Michigan and be
done with it.

Oren wrote:

You can buy a gun without a gun store. Friend to friend - if you get
my drift.

You don't have much history with Stormie, do you? Either he's armed to the
teeth and not admitting it or he'll actually buy a firearm about the same
time the Devil takes up figure skating.

Besides, the Dollar Store and Harbor Freight don't sell guns. Well, maybe
nail guns..

On 08/09/2014 05:56 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/8/2014 9:57 AM, nestork wrote:

I think the most important point that's not been mentioned so far in
this thread is how both the Nazi and Allied governments used propoganda
to motivate their populations.



The only thing that bothers me is that I still see examples of
governments lying to their people in order to get the populations
support to do what that government wants.

1. In the USA, the most obvious example was when the US government said
that prescription drugs imported from Canada weren't as safe as US
drugs.

I'd have said that the class envy rhetoric in the USA
was the most obvious example.

* The rich didn't pay their fair share
* The Republican war on women
* The Republicans won't let me pass my bills
* A vast right wing conspiracy


Does this sound familiar?

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic
economic system for the exploitation of the economically
weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation
of a human being according to wealth and property instead
of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined
to destroy this system under all conditions."

Sounds familiar to me.

-T



Oh, almost forgot, that was Adolf Hitler (Speech of May 1, 1927.
Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

On 8/10/2014 12:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
I haven't been enthusiastic about the selections for a couple or three
decades. I really don't like Clinton and only the Gods know what sort of
rabbit the Republicans will pull out of their hat.


With the Reps would stop fielding liberal
candidates. I'm tired of all this govt
expansion.

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I like your Senator McCaine. I think he's Republican, but he seems to do what he feels is right, even if that gets him in hot water with the Republican Party, rather than follow official party lines.

What's needed in BOTH of our countries is for the people we elect to truly represent the intelligent and resposible electorate that put them in office, and not behave as a beligerant bunch of babies wanting to fight with each other because they all have diaper rashes. If any one of us were in government, we would do what we felt was best for our country, not what annoys and exasperates the opposing political party the most. It saddens me to know that fully half of the salaries paid to our representatives in government is going to waste because all we get for it is people yelling at each other.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:21:01 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
trader_4 wrote:



That would obviously depend on the conditions at the time, who was

invading, and what their purpose was. If it was China invading tomorrow,

of course they would be treated as enemies. If the USA were to succumb to

some govt like the Nazis, that was committing genocide, and we were be

liberated by say the UK and Australia, I'd welcome them. See how easy

that is?



It's only easy if your world is black and white.

I'd say it's only hard if your mind is clogged with typical loon
failed attempts at moral equivalency, ie trying to tell us that
all govts are about the same. Get the broom in there.

On Saturday, August 9, 2014 4:20:54 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
Todd wrote:



Are you sure you just don't like the guy

because of his politics?



Churchill's politics were opportunism.

You're so full of revisionist BS. Churchill had a strong set of
core beliefs. Something few politicians have, especially today.
He knew what the Nazis were, knew how to deal with them, and tried
to warn the world. You're a typical loon. Blame the USA for not
taking in boatloads of Jews prior to WWII, when we didn't know the
full extent of what the Nazis were up to. And simultaneously attacking
Churchill who warned Europe and the world about what the Nazis were
all about.



Wars are good career enhancers and

his career needed some serious enhancing.

Sure, Churchill started WWII to enhance his career. Idiot.