The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/13/2013 4:15 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"philo " wrote in message
...
Well, most of the people I repair computers for have very little
money so if I charge at all, it's typically just $25.

Only once did I get a job for a very wealthy business man but
since it went over 5 hours, I gave them a 20% discount.

Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that you have a love of what
you are doing, too. I had a love of what I did, but my body did
not. Well, with the exception of the last year and a half with one
employer. That was all TS&R. Once my employer wanted me to wear
multiple hats again (be a one man work crew), I went elsewhere. My
body no longer liked digging trench, laying out/lifting heavy
things, pretty much entire projects, all by myself.

It felt good to wake up in the morning and not feel like I had
been rolled down a hill in a barrel full of rocks. I do, however,
have an urge to further my PLC skills and work in a pure motor
control environment. Nothing like toting a laptop instead of all
the other crap. That, and my wallet might stop bitching at me.
:-)


I was in the industrial battery business for 38 years...the large
ones found in fork lift trucks. Two years ago my knees went and had
to get them replaced. I am glad to be retired now.

Although even after the knees were replaced they are not as good as
new...my back sure feels a lot better now.

I have been sort of forced to learn how to repair laptops now...as
towers and desktops are not as prevalent as they once were.

I look at laptops more as watch repair though.

I fix computers all the time and replace screens in laptops. I picked up
three broken laptops from a pawn shop for $100 and was able to get two
of them working right away because they had software problems and dead
batteries. Another thing I do is get batteries and chargers for folks
who have dead laptops. Of the three laptops I bought one is a 17"
Toshiba with a full sized keyboard having the numeral keys on the right
side. I got it so I could watch movies and surf the web while I was in
my hospital bed. The Toshiba has Win Vista and the smaller HP has Win 7
the third laptop has some sort of BIOS problem which prevents it from
accessing the internal hard drive, It runs fine off a live Linux CD.
I've got quite a collection of different laptops and desktops now and
have a lot of fun with computers. ^_^

TDD
Hi,
Any of them has HDMI port?

On 12/13/2013 7:10 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 05:56 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"philo " wrote in message
...

I was in the industrial battery business for 38 years...the large
ones found in fork lift trucks. Two years ago my knees went and
had to get them replaced. I am glad to be retired now.

I have lugged some of those bad boys around. I would not think of
trying that, now. Well, not by myself.

The batteries I worked with were usually in the 500 - 4000 pound
range so were not liftable by hand...but we did have to install
plenty of VRLA and it can be a lot of physical work.

I did see my boss once muscle one of those 500# batteries onto a
pallet.

He did stuff like that for a while but later needed to get back
surgery.


There was a time, long ago, when I could pick up a car engine. O_o

TDD

On 12/13/2013 4:48 PM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
Did you pay for it ?


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ...


I worked one day last month with JH and Stinky, installing a computer
and VoIP network. I was installing jacks on the Cat5 cable and testing
the cable to verify proper operation. The Cat5 cable tested almost as
good as Cat6 so I knew we did a good job. I had been getting up and down
to install jacks and test the network so I put a lot of stress on my
joints. It took me two weeks to recover from that job. I spent part of
two days this month helping install a wireless IP camera system for
a guy and I remarked to JH that I couldn't understand why I was in so
much pain while we were driving home. I finally realized that while I
wasn't climbing a ladder or running the power cable, I had gotten under
the desk a number of times to get the computer, the DVR and KVM switch
working. The house also had a flight of stairs going out back that I had
negotiated several times while testing the system. I tend to concentrate
on what I'm doing and before I became very ill and was working on big
installations, I would look down and see that I was bleeding wondering
where in the hell the blood came from and when did I get cut. I only
hurt when I stop working and the pain gets my attention. o_O

TDD

Hey, I had the same thing going on with me this morning. Why am I so sore?
Then I remembered that I helped my neighbor tear a ride on mower apart.
He got it for free, and it has parts that match one of his other ride on
mowers. So, off comes the deck, out comes the engine, then the sun set and
it started to get cold. Homie don't like the cold when it is not sunny out.
I don't, either. :-)

I remember running fence and when I got to the Casino's break room for lunch the
cocktail waitresses would just stare at me. I would look down and see all of this
blood running down my arms from the barbed wire. Oh, I guess I need to wash up
before I go to the buffet...

My fav was while trying to tighten the set-screw for the pilot bit of a hole-saw.
I could have swore I put the drill motor in neutral...oops, where did my fingernail
go? Whatever, a few wraps of electrical tape later...LOL!

I have been nicked so many times and wondered WT? When did that happen?

Of course, one could reference the movie Predator.

"I don't have time to bleed."

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ...


There was a time, long ago, when I could pick up a car engine. O_o

TDD



Aren't engine hoist a nifty tool?

On 12/14/2013 12:30 AM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...


There was a time, long ago, when I could pick up a car engine. O_o

TDD


Aren't engine hoist a nifty tool?

I used to pull the 1108cc 4cyl out of my Renault 10 by hand then carry
it to the workbench to work on it. I freaked my friend out when I picked
up a 350 short block off the bed of his pickup truck. There was a time
when I could move appliances by myself but not anymore. Dammit!
It's frustrating. o_O

TDD

On 12/13/2013 11:52 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/13/2013 4:15 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"philo " wrote in message
...
Well, most of the people I repair computers for have very little
money so if I charge at all, it's typically just $25.

Only once did I get a job for a very wealthy business man but
since it went over 5 hours, I gave them a 20% discount.

Nothing wrong with that. I suspect that you have a love of what
you are doing, too. I had a love of what I did, but my body did
not. Well, with the exception of the last year and a half with one
employer. That was all TS&R. Once my employer wanted me to wear
multiple hats again (be a one man work crew), I went elsewhere. My
body no longer liked digging trench, laying out/lifting heavy
things, pretty much entire projects, all by myself.

It felt good to wake up in the morning and not feel like I had
been rolled down a hill in a barrel full of rocks. I do, however,
have an urge to further my PLC skills and work in a pure motor
control environment. Nothing like toting a laptop instead of all
the other crap. That, and my wallet might stop bitching at me.
:-)


I was in the industrial battery business for 38 years...the large
ones found in fork lift trucks. Two years ago my knees went and had
to get them replaced. I am glad to be retired now.

Although even after the knees were replaced they are not as good as
new...my back sure feels a lot better now.

I have been sort of forced to learn how to repair laptops now...as
towers and desktops are not as prevalent as they once were.

I look at laptops more as watch repair though.

I fix computers all the time and replace screens in laptops. I picked up
three broken laptops from a pawn shop for $100 and was able to get two
of them working right away because they had software problems and dead
batteries. Another thing I do is get batteries and chargers for folks
who have dead laptops. Of the three laptops I bought one is a 17"
Toshiba with a full sized keyboard having the numeral keys on the right
side. I got it so I could watch movies and surf the web while I was in
my hospital bed. The Toshiba has Win Vista and the smaller HP has Win 7
the third laptop has some sort of BIOS problem which prevents it from
accessing the internal hard drive, It runs fine off a live Linux CD.
I've got quite a collection of different laptops and desktops now and
have a lot of fun with computers. ^_^

TDD
Hi,
Any of them has HDMI port?

Yea, the HP Win7 laptop has an HDMI port that I've thought of hooking up
to our 55" LCD TV. I have a remote control that plugs into a USB
port on a computer and was thinking of using it for the big screen.
My roommate has an HP Win7 laptop too that has an HDMI port and we've
hooked it up to the big screen to watch some movies I downloaded for
him. I rarely watch the big screen or TV in general because I have
vision problems and it's easier for me to watch everything on one of the
desktops we have around here that have 23" LCD monitors. I do have
a ton of desktops that I could use for the big screen but I have no
urgent need to do it. ^_^

TDD

On 12/14/2013 12:29 AM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...


I worked one day last month with JH and Stinky, installing a
computer and VoIP network. I was installing jacks on the Cat5 cable
and testing the cable to verify proper operation. The Cat5 cable
tested almost as good as Cat6 so I knew we did a good job. I had
been getting up and down to install jacks and test the network so I
put a lot of stress on my joints. It took me two weeks to recover
from that job. I spent part of two days this month helping install
a wireless IP camera system for a guy and I remarked to JH that I
couldn't understand why I was in so much pain while we were driving
home. I finally realized that while I wasn't climbing a ladder or
running the power cable, I had gotten under the desk a number of
times to get the computer, the DVR and KVM switch working. The
house also had a flight of stairs going out back that I had
negotiated several times while testing the system. I tend to
concentrate on what I'm doing and before I became very ill and was
working on big installations, I would look down and see that I was
bleeding wondering where in the hell the blood came from and when
did I get cut. I only hurt when I stop working and the pain gets my
attention. o_O

TDD

Hey, I had the same thing going on with me this morning. Why am I so
sore? Then I remembered that I helped my neighbor tear a ride on
mower apart. He got it for free, and it has parts that match one of
his other ride on mowers. So, off comes the deck, out comes the
engine, then the sun set and it started to get cold. Homie don't
like the cold when it is not sunny out. I don't, either. :-)

I remember running fence and when I got to the Casino's break room
for lunch the cocktail waitresses would just stare at me. I would
look down and see all of this blood running down my arms from the
barbed wire. Oh, I guess I need to wash up before I go to the
buffet...

My fav was while trying to tighten the set-screw for the pilot bit of
a hole-saw. I could have swore I put the drill motor in
neutral...oops, where did my fingernail go? Whatever, a few wraps of
electrical tape later...LOL!

I have been nicked so many times and wondered WT? When did that
happen?

Of course, one could reference the movie Predator.

"I don't have time to bleed."



I remember reading about hockey players getting all busted up and not
noticing it until the game was over. I always laugh at group pictures
of a hockey team because they are all smiling and most of them have
teeth missing. I can't remember how many times I've been shocked working
on electrical or electronic gear. I had one RF burn that was a
bit rough but I never got shocked when working on high voltage power
because if you don't concentrate and pay attention when working around
4,160vac power, you may not live very long. When I work on electrical
stuff around the house, businesses or industry, I work on it like it was
hot because I often do and because it's a good habit. ^_^

TDD

On 12/13/2013 11:17 PM, Irreverent Maximus wrote:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...


Me and my late friend GB often repaired HVAC systems for people with
little money and didn't charge them a lot and when we did it for an
old fellow who lived a few blocks from GB, the old man's family called
us to
repair their equipment and paid us full price because they appreciated
the way we helped their family member who had a limited income. ^_^

TDD

Good deal.

When asked how much do I owe you?

Um, what's for lunch?

Some things you do, just because.



I spent most of May in the hospital and my first visitor was the
minister from a small Baptist church my friend LM attends. I don't
share their faith but I donated time and material to help LM repair
the church's AC units that metal thieves had damaged. I did it because
they're good, nice people and they help a lot of folks too. I've done a
lot of work for small churches even though I don't practice their faith.
The mega-churches can kiss my ass because the people running those
places are often arrogant, judgmental jerks. ^_^

TDD

On 12/13/2013 11:30 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
During the time the O.J. Simpson circus was going on, I was getting
breakfast at a restaurant when the waitress said, "OJ?", I loudly said,
"OJ! I'm tired of hearing about OJ this and OJ that it's idiotic and I
don't want heart it anymore!", the poor waitress said, "I'm sorry, I was
asking if you wanted orange juice." of course I apologized. ^_^

^_^

As she delivered your pancakes, did she ask you about honey?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 12/13/2013 11:31 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/13/2013 5:16 PM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD
If Dufas kills a killer loon, in the forest and
no one hears. Is the list better for it?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

TigerDirect is a rip off.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 03:21:46 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 12/12/2013 11:55 PM, wrote:
My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an appliance for him.
It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate coupon.
I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the money.
How much of the money should I give to my client?


You used your resources to purchase the appliance and if you are so
inclined, you could discount the price you charged your customer but
with rebates, you have no idea how long you'd have to wait to get it
and the cost of tying up your resources must be considered. If you have
the monetary resources that are large enough for you to operate while
waiting on a rebate check, you could discount your price, or wait until
the rebate check comes in a refund that amount to your customer. Your
customer would get a pleasant surprise and be inclined to recommend you
to anyone he knows who may need your services. ^_^

If he does pocket the rebate, whether he considers it "included" in
the purchase price or not, it should be disclosed to the buyer, up
front ("price including any rebates"). Both sides of a contract need
to understand the contract.

On 12/14/2013 7:01 AM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
TigerDirect is a rip off.


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

On 12/14/2013 7:01 AM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
TigerDirect is a rip off.


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:12:15 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 04:49:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip...

OJ Simpson got off, for killing two people.
Does that make it OK for you and me to go
kill two people?


What amazed me the most was watching live coverage of the trial, followed
by news peoples' sound bytes of what had happened. It was like they were
somewhere else! What came into mind was, Isn't English their primary
language? And, didn't they watch what I just watched? They were worse than
Oprah interviewing a guest, simply ignoring what was ACTUALLY said and
giving opinions and asking questions based on God knows what.

OTOH, how about the Zimmerman case? ...the Duke lacrosse case? There
was a case where half the country (and 70% of the people here) were
completely deaf.

This ought to cause a really high jacked thread....

Don't complain. You got what you wanted.

I personally do not believe that OJ did that crime.

Speaking of deaf...

Several reasons: OJ
was football player, from being around them, they use their hands when
angry and frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab,
they're just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps
his knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed was
a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included. During the
trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people one hires are a
reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of high integtrity.
Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after acquittal down in LA, met M
Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and felt like taking a shower
afterwards, some people just leave you feeling like that.

Clueless.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.

Sure it is. "Guilty" or "not guilty", no, that isn't in your
contract.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:16:44 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas : Hypocrite
TeaBillie on welfare" wrote:

Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.

Once again, a lefty loon shows just how clueless lefties are.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 06:35:05 -0600, Fat-Dumb and Happy
wrote:

You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.

I've gotten every rebate I applied for (I can follow instructions).
But then, I don't deal with Tiger Direct either.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 09:18:20 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 06:35 AM, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote:
You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.



I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.
Hmmm,
When I purchase an item big or small rebate has nothing to do on my
decision to buy. I don't buy things because there is rebate. I buy what
I want/need.

+1

....but a rebate is gravy. I only bother with them if the rebate is
worth more than the hassle. $.50, not likely. $100 or $300, you bet!

On 12/14/2013 08:01 AM, Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
TigerDirect is a rip off.


Q: Why are product rebates offered?

A: The product is not selling.


Q: Why is the product not selling?

A: Usually because it is end-of-life and a better model is available. Sometimes it is a malformed piece of junk.


Q: Why do people buy rebated items then?

A: I don't know. Maybe they are ignorant dupes?

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:33:35 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:12:15 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

...snip....
I personally do not believe that OJ did that crime.

Speaking of deaf...

Several reasons: OJ
was football player, from being around them, they use their hands when
angry and frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab,
they're just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps
his knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed
was
a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included. During the
trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people one hires are a
reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of high integtrity.
Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after acquittal down in LA, met M
Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and felt like taking a shower
afterwards, some people just leave you feeling like that.

Clueless.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.

Sure it is. "Guilty" or "not guilty", no, that isn't in your
contract.


Besides the obvious observation that people ascribe to others what they
themselves have done/will do/are capable of.

And, I thought *I* was opinionated!

On 12/14/2013 6:19 AM, Answer Man wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:01 AM, Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare
wrote:
TigerDirect is a rip off.


Q: Why are product rebates offered?

A: The product is not selling.


Q: Why is the product not selling?

A: Usually because it is end-of-life and a better model is available.
Sometimes it is a malformed piece of junk.


Q: Why do people buy rebated items then?

A: I don't know. Maybe they are ignorant dupes?

Actually you're completely wrong.

There are two real reasons companies like rebates:

1. Only 47% of rebates are applied for so the manufacturer can advertise
what appears to be a lower cost but only cost-sensitive consumers will
bother to submit the rebate.

2. Once the UPC code is removed the product is non-returnable. This is a
very big issue on technology products where the return is often done
because the consumer won't make an attempt to figure out how to use the
product properly.

For end-of-life products they'll simply put them on sale to clear them
out and not do rebate deals.

On 12/14/2013 10:52 AM, SMS wrote:

Actually you're completely wrong.

Not completely!


There are two real reasons companies like rebates:

You have listed additional reasons.


1. Only 47% of rebates are applied for so the manufacturer can advertise what appears to be a lower cost but only
cost-sensitive consumers will bother to submit the rebate.

2. Once the UPC code is removed the product is non-returnable. This is a very big issue on technology products where the
return is often done because the consumer won't make an attempt to figure out how to use the product properly.

For end-of-life products they'll simply put them on sale to clear them out and not do rebate deals.


OK, according to your theory, M$ would offer a rebate on Xbox One to keep me from returning it.

Yet I can't find a single Xbox __One__ rebate on the ___console___. Maybe next year when sales falls off?

On 12/13/2013 11:54 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I've done a lot of mess cleanups like the time an area manager for a
supermarket that he decided to have someone else install a backup
generator for his store. He told me that the other contractor had given
him a much lower price to install the used generator. I later got a call
from the manager asking me if I would get his new generator running. I
asked why he was calling me? I thought someone else had installed the
genset? The guy who installed it told the manager that he just installed
them, he didn't fix them. My price had included repairing any problem
with the used equipment. I charged the same amount of money to repair
the installation that I would have charged to start with. ^_^

TDD
Plenty of people out there haven't figure out that the
pinch a penny "a la carte" thing is more expensive in
the long run. I've got a few cases like that.

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Learn about Jesus
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On 12/14/2013 12:01 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Me and my late friend GB often repaired HVAC systems for people with
little money and didn't charge them a lot and when we did it for an old
fellow who lived a few blocks from GB, the old man's family called us to
repair their equipment and paid us full price because they appreciated
the way we helped their family member who had a limited income. ^_^

TDD

Folks like that make up for the rest of em.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

"SMS" wrote in message
...
On 12/14/2013 6:19 AM, Answer Man wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:01 AM, Daring Dufas : Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare

There are two real reasons companies like rebates:

1. Only 47% of rebates are applied for so the manufacturer can advertise
what appears to be a lower cost but only cost-sensitive consumers will
bother to submit the rebate.

2. Once the UPC code is removed the product is non-returnable. This is a
very big issue on technology products where the return is often done
because the consumer won't make an attempt to figure out how to use the
product properly.


I thought there were some rebate companies that would go to a company and
say they will do rebates on a product and keep the differance in money if
there was any.
They usually made out becuse lots of people do not turn in the rebates.



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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:39:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:55:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an appliance for him.

It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate coupon.

I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the money.

How much of the money should I give to my client?

I have decided to give my client the entire rebate minus one dollar for my trouble and expense since, as someone here mentioned, I was acting as an agent of my client even though the rebate had nothing to do with my decision to purchase the appliance since I didn’t even know there was a rebate until I made my decision to buy that particular model which had the rebate or for that matter if or when I would even get the rebate. Most of my clients are very nice people for whom I would gladly do the same. In the future however, since I do also have some clients that I don’t particularly like, and under the same circumstances for those particular clients I would probably not even bother filling out the rebate coupon or mailing it in since I know I wouldn’t be getting any money for it.

I think you are doing *almost* the right thing. You should give him
the whole rebate, don't hold out that $1. It's such a small amount
it's meaningless as far as money but think of the impression it leaves
to people (and your customer) who hear about that measly $1 - It makes
you sound like a real chiseler even though you are giving the other
$29 dollars away. If he tells the story to his friends what will they
remember, that you gave him the $29 or that you kept the lousy $1 ? If
you give back the whole $30 you come off like a 100% upstanding guy,
if you keep the $1 you just come off as cheap, no one will remember
the $29.

Ashton Crusher wrote:

I think you are doing almost the right thing. You should give him
the whole rebate, don't hold out that $1. It's such a small amount
it's meaningless as far as money but think of the impression it leaves
to people (and your customer) who hear about that measly $1 - It makes
you sound like a real chiseler even though you are giving the other
$29 dollars away. If he tells the story to his friends what will they
remember, that you gave him the $29 or that you kept the lousy $1 ? If
you give back the whole $30 you come off like a 100% upstanding guy,
if you keep the $1 you just come off as cheap, no one will remember
the $29.

Old car salesman adage: "I'd rather sell one guy five cars than five
guys one car."

Building good will brings in long term business and creates positive
word of mouth. I have bought three used vehicles from the same
salesman and referred two more people to him who have bought their
vehicles from him too.