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My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an appliance for him.
It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate coupon.
I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the money.
How much of the money should I give to my client?
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On 12/13/2013 3:57 PM, philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 12:18 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:59:36 PM UTC-8, Tony Hwang wrote:
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My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an
appliance for him.

It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate
coupon.

I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the money.

How much of the money should I give to my client?



Hi,

IMHO, all. It is his appliance. He is the registered owner with
the

manufacturer I believe. I think you should've filled out his
name.


1. I couldn’t fill out his name because I used my credit card with
my name on the invoice. 2. I should at least get back the money for
the stamp I used if nothing else.


On the job I retired from my billing rate was something like $120 for
the first hour and $90 for each additional hour.

If it only took you 15 minutes to fill out the rebate card and mail
it... on my job at least that would have been $30.

We were told to do all of our paperwork on-site and to bill the
customer for our time.

Considering we were keeping production lines going that could cost a
customer a million dollars or more a day (if down)...we certainly
did not get complaints if we sent them a $500 or $600 bill.


Many companies look at the cost of a piece of equipment including the
cost of removing and replacing it when deciding to repair it. I don't
know what the percentage is now but it must be very high for large items
like a machine used in a manufacturing operation. That's the sort of
thing that happens during a planned shutdown of the manufacturer's
plant. ^_^

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My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an appliance for


him.


It turned out that the appliance that I picked had a rebate coupon.


I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the money.


How much of the money should I give to my client?




Hi,


IMHO, all. It is his appliance. He is the registered owner with the


manufacturer I believe. I think you should've filled out his name.




What if the customer knows there was a rebate available? Then it looks

like the OP cheated him. Would the OP have picked that model if there

was no rebate?



Several years ago, I hired someone to paint a room in my mother's house

when I was selling it. He told me to pick the paint I wanted and he'd

buy it. When I was looking for the right color paint, I saw that there

was a rebate and figured great, I can buy a better quality paint for the

same price as the store brand. He bought the paint and did an adequate

job of painting. I asked for the sales receipt and he claimed he

couldn't find it. My first thought was that he'd sent in the rebate,

which cheated *me* out of the discount I was planning on. I wouldn't

hire him again.



Bottom line, OP should have given the rebate form to the customer who

may well have told him to keep it anyhow.


1.You can’t get a rebate without a proof of purchase.
2. The proof of purchase is the invoice or receipt which has MY name on it because I used MY credit card.
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...snip...


OJ Simpson got off, for killing two people.
Does that make it OK for you and me to go
kill two people?


What amazed me the most was watching live coverage of the trial, followed
by news peoples' sound bytes of what had happened. It was like they were
somewhere else! What came into mind was, Isn't English their primary
language? And, didn't they watch what I just watched? They were worse than
Oprah interviewing a guest, simply ignoring what was ACTUALLY said and
giving opinions and asking questions based on God knows what.

This ought to cause a really high jacked thread....
I personally do not believe that OJ did that crime. Several reasons: OJ
was football player, from being around them, they use their hands when
angry and frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab,
they're just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps
his knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed was
a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included. During the
trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people one hires are a
reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of high integtrity.
Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after acquittal down in LA, met M
Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and felt like taking a shower
afterwards, some people just leave you feeling like that.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.



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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 04:49:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
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...snip...


OJ Simpson got off, for killing two people. Does that make it OK
for you and me to go kill two people?


What amazed me the most was watching live coverage of the trial,
followed by news peoples' sound bytes of what had happened. It was
like they were somewhere else! What came into mind was, Isn't English
their primary language? And, didn't they watch what I just watched?
They were worse than Oprah interviewing a guest, simply ignoring what
was ACTUALLY said and giving opinions and asking questions based on
God knows what.

This ought to cause a really high jacked thread.... I personally do
not believe that OJ did that crime. Several reasons: OJ was football
player, from being around them, they use their hands when angry and
frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab, they're
just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps his
knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed
was a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included.
During the trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people
one hires are a reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of
high integtrity. Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after
acquittal down in LA, met M Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and
felt like taking a shower afterwards, some people just leave you
feeling like that.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.


During the time the O.J. Simpson circus was going on, I was getting
breakfast at a restaurant when the waitress said, "OJ?", I loudly said,
"OJ! I'm tired of hearing about OJ this and OJ that it's idiotic and I
don't want heart it anymore!", the poor waitress said, "I'm sorry, I was
asking if you wanted orange juice." of course I apologized. ^_^

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During the time the O.J. Simpson circus was going on, I was getting
breakfast at a restaurant when the waitress said, "OJ?", I loudly said,
"OJ! I'm tired of hearing about OJ this and OJ that it's idiotic and I
don't want heart it anymore!", the poor waitress said, "I'm sorry, I was
asking if you wanted orange juice." of course I apologized. ^_^

^_^


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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 04:49:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
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...snip...


OJ Simpson got off, for killing two people.
Does that make it OK for you and me to go
kill two people?


What amazed me the most was watching live coverage of the trial, followed
by news peoples' sound bytes of what had happened. It was like they were
somewhere else! What came into mind was, Isn't English their primary
language? And, didn't they watch what I just watched? They were worse than
Oprah interviewing a guest, simply ignoring what was ACTUALLY said and
giving opinions and asking questions based on God knows what.


OTOH, how about the Zimmerman case? ...the Duke lacrosse case? There
was a case where half the country (and 70% of the people here) were
completely deaf.

This ought to cause a really high jacked thread....


Don't complain. You got what you wanted.

I personally do not believe that OJ did that crime.


Speaking of deaf...

Several reasons: OJ
was football player, from being around them, they use their hands when
angry and frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab,
they're just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps
his knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed was
a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included. During the
trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people one hires are a
reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of high integtrity.
Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after acquittal down in LA, met M
Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and felt like taking a shower
afterwards, some people just leave you feeling like that.


Clueless.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.


Sure it is. "Guilty" or "not guilty", no, that isn't in your
contract.

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On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 16:12:15 -0700, RobertMacy
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I personally do not believe that OJ did that crime.


Speaking of deaf...

Several reasons: OJ
was football player, from being around them, they use their hands when
angry and frustrated. They would simply pound people silly, not stab,
they're just not 'tool' type people. Plus a 'proffessional knifer' keeps
his knife as in the weapon was never found. Importantly there are
indications two people perpetrated the crime, not one. The man killed
was
a 'look alike' not the intended target to have been included. During the
trial, met OJ's people at his home in BelAir and people one hires are a
reflection of themselves, outstanding individuals of high integtrity.
Can't believe OJ did the crime. Later, after acquittal down in LA, met M
Clark [that was ONE bitter lady!] and felt like taking a shower
afterwards, some people just leave you feeling like that.


Clueless.

Guilty, or innocent? Not for me to judge really.


Sure it is. "Guilty" or "not guilty", no, that isn't in your
contract.


Besides the obvious observation that people ascribe to others what they
themselves have done/will do/are capable of.

And, I thought *I* was opinionated!
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Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.
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Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

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On 12/13/2013 5:16 PM, Daring Dufas : A Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.


Killer Loon, living proof that human females should never have sex with
farm animals. ^_^

TDD

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Murder is only illegal if one gets caught.


Once again, a lefty loon shows just how clueless lefties are.
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My client asked me to pick-out, purchase and install an
appliance for him. It turned out that the appliance that
I picked had a rebate coupon.
I filled out the coupon and mailed it and received the
money.
How much of the money should I give to my client?


All of it. If it had been discounted in the store, he would have paid that
price. This is no different. If you had to put a stamp on the rebate, you
are entitled to that. You would be a cheapskate but entitled.

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You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.
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You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.




I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.


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You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.




I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.

Hmmm,
When I purchase an item big or small rebate has nothing to do on my
decision to buy. I don't buy things because there is rebate. I buy what
I want/need.
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On 12/13/2013 10:18 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 06:35 AM, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote:
You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.




I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.

Hmmm,
When I purchase an item big or small rebate has nothing to do on my
decision to buy. I don't buy things because there is rebate. I buy what
I want/need.




So do I...but I did not like the way "Tiger" told me they'd send it and
after it was too late let me in on the real way to get it.
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So do I...but I did not like the way "Tiger" told me they'd send it and
after it was too late let me in on the real way to get it.


I hope you tell every one you know.

Radio Shack. I purchased a cell phone with
$40 rebate. Reminded them a couple times,
I never got the rebate. I've not purchased
even a penny's worth of merchandise since
then, and that was 2006.

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philo wrote:
On 12/13/2013 06:35 AM, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote:
You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.




I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.

Hmmm,
When I purchase an item big or small rebate has nothing to do on my
decision to buy. I don't buy things because there is rebate. I buy what
I want/need.


+1

....but a rebate is gravy. I only bother with them if the rebate is
worth more than the hassle. $.50, not likely. $100 or $300, you bet!
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I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.



If you purchased through a standard credit card, like VISA, you go back to
VISA and protest the charge, subtract your rebate and accept THAT as the
cost. The key words are that you did NOT get what was purported to be your
agreed upon purchased item. They should stand behind you and subtract off
either the whole charge or the amount of the rebate. Again, you ordered
such and such and did NOT receive such and such, therefore you are not
liable under your agreement terms with your charge company.


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I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had
to apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally
told me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.



If you purchased through a standard credit card, like VISA, you go back
to VISA and protest the charge, subtract your rebate and accept THAT as
the cost. The key words are that you did NOT get what was purported to
be your agreed upon purchased item. They should stand behind you and
subtract off either the whole charge or the amount of the rebate. Again,
you ordered such and such and did NOT receive such and such, therefore
you are not liable under your agreement terms with your charge company.




I've dealt with Visa on issues before and here is how it goes:


1) If an unauthorized person used your card...that is fraud and the card
holder is 100% covered. All you need to do is fill out a fraud report.
Visa is excellent in that area and makes a huge effort to prevent fraud.
Several times they called to to confirm whether or not the transaction
was legit.


2) If the card holder makes a purchase but it is not to their
satisfaction...all Visa will do is hold charges for 30 days while the
card holder and the vendor work things out.

In my situation I did not deem a long , drawn out fight for just a few
dollars to be worth doing...so I did what I thought best and stopped
doing business with them.


In a court of law, Tiger would have won. To get a rebate, it would have
been required that I sent in the rebate form...and I did not.
Though I was verbally given the wrong info...I am sure they had the
proper procedure buried somewhere on their website...and from a legal
perspective would have been in the right.
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On 12-13-2013, 11:53, philo wrote:
In a court of law, Tiger would have won. To get a rebate, it would have
been required that I sent in the rebate form...and I did not.


In a court of law, they wouldn't even bother to show up and you'd win.

If they did show up, and you had proof that they cheated you by
foot-dragging, you'd probably win. But if there is no jury, it's hard
to predict what a judge will do. I remember after one case asking a
lawyer, "Did that judge actually say on the record that he was not going
to do his job?" "Yeah, but what are you gonna do?"

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A little history,
State sues TigerDirect, OnRebate
http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_me...tComplaint.pdf
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A little history,
State sues TigerDirect, OnRebate
http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_me...tComplaint.pdf




Now that is interesting. If anyone had an issue with Tiger
Direct...sending them a copy of that PDF might actually get them to "pay
up".
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TigerDirect is a rip off.


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You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share. Consider
yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some winners but
the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from Staples or the 40
bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards are a pain in the arse
but the companies love them, extra money in the bank for them.


I stopped dealing with Tiger Direct due to a rebate I did not get.

I went back and forth with them /many/ times until the 30 days I had to
apply ran out. Once it was too late to get the rebate, they finally told
me to just download it from their website at the time of purchase.
Up until then they simply told me they'd send me the form.



The one-and=only rebate I never got was from Circuit City.

I'm not saying that I had anything to do with their untimely demise.

But I'm not saying I didn't!
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You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share.
Consider yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some
winners but the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from
Staples or the 40 bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards
are a pain in the arse but the companies love them, extra money in
the bank for them.


I believe a lot rebates are a scam and a way to fool customers. The
advertising has a low price in big print but underneath, there is very
tiny print, "after rebate". ^_^

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On 12/13/2013 6:35 AM, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote:
You got a rebate back? Keep it and pay to Uncle Sam his share.
Consider yourself lucky. Rebates are like going to a casino, some
winners but the risk is high. I never did get the 5 bucks from
Staples or the 40 bucks from Tiger Direct. Rebates and gift cards
are a pain in the arse but the companies love them, extra money in
the bank for them.


I believe a lot rebates are a scam and a way to fool customers. The
advertising has a low price in big print but underneath, there is very
tiny print, "after rebate". ^_^


I've applied for dozens of rebates, and AFAIK, have received every one.


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I believe a lot rebates are a scam and a way to fool customers. The
advertising has a low price in big print but underneath, there is very
tiny print, "after rebate". ^_^


I've applied for dozens of rebates, and AFAIK, have received every one.


+1

....just follow the instructions - exactly!

Now vendors want to send you debit cards. If you leave 37 cents on
the card, it goes back to the issuer of the card. Money $
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I believe a lot rebates are a scam and a way to fool customers. The
advertising has a low price in big print but underneath, there is very
tiny print, "after rebate". ^_^


I've applied for dozens of rebates, and AFAIK, have received every one.


+1

...just follow the instructions - exactly!

Now vendors want to send you debit cards. If you leave 37 cents on
the card, it goes back to the issuer of the card. Money $


It is a funny thing that manufacturers are counting on people to not
send in the rebate, or mess up. If it is not an in store rebate, I
ignore it. Even then, sometimes...there is always a catch. I purchased
a broadband modem once. With in store rebate. Part of the sign up process
and one of those introductory deals. Well, come to find out, a bit later,
that I was being charged a rental fee on the modem.

Sir, you must provide proof of purchase.

Um, I just changed my credit card number and had the last charge reversed.
This is proof of my cancelation and your modem may be found in the nearest
dumpster. Bite me and have a nice day.

You still have 8 months on your *click*

This was my second call. During the first call my cell phone dropped after
the rep I was talking with verified that I actually *had* purchased the
modem and that it showed up on their system. Twas a bait and switch thing
and I guess I was one of the first to call in on him. The next one played
it well, but I had already made my decision. Bye, bye.



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