Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:
cayoung61 wrote:

I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.
Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.
What is this world coming to?




And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous
waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either. I drive by one such TV
for about three or four months now - can't remember how long ago they've
put it out on the curb - there's already grass growing around and inside
it. They probably missed the deadline by a week or two - trash collectors
no longer pick electronics up at the curb here in PA since earlier this
year.

--
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http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...ms-761068-.htm
using HomeOwnersHub's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface
to home and garden related groups

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:52:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

Why are you surprised? It's junk. Worse, most places will charge you
to take it away. I have one you can have if you cart it away. I'll
even give you all the cables and a graphics card, or three, if you
need them. All working but junk nonetheless.

On 8/27/2013 5:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/27/2013 6:47 PM, wrote:


What is this world coming to?

Why are you surprised? It's junk. Worse, most places will charge you
to take it away. I have one you can have if you cart it away. I'll
even give you all the cables and a graphics card, or three, if you
need them. All working but junk nonetheless.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:44:01 PM UTC-4, passerby wrote:
replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:

cayoung61 wrote:



I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?









And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous

waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either. I drive by one such TV

for about three or four months now - can't remember how long ago they've

put it out on the curb - there's already grass growing around and inside

it. They probably missed the deadline by a week or two - trash collectors

no longer pick electronics up at the curb here in PA since earlier this

year.




Yeah, here in NJ you used to be able to put TVs out on
bulk pickup days once a month when they pick up big, non garbage
stuff, like sofas, furniture, etc. Now you have to take it
to special electronics recycling locations. Not sure if they
charge, but there might be a fee. They in turn load it into
cargo ships that go the hell holes like China where people
making $1 a day, sit in toxic scrap yards and take them apart.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Pick it up from the curb and take it to a donation center, such as Good
Will, Volunteers Of America, etc. Make a few phone calls and I'm sure you
will find a place that accepts electronics for recycling.

My understanding is that in some states, if you sell electronics, you must
accept electronics for recycling.

passerby wrote in
roups.com:

replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:
cayoung61 wrote:

I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.
Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.
What is this world coming to?




And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous
waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.




And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


--
Tegger

Next time, tape a sign to it saying "Works Good", and that will increase the chance that someone will take it.

The problem is that computer technology is changing faster than computer products are breaking down or wearing out. So, there's an abundance of old computer hardware that still works, but no one wants because there is newer technology coming out all of the time.

Hewlitt Packard; one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley, is facing bankruptcy over the next 5 years because it hasn't kept up with the changing technology. Now, when everyone is wanting tablet computers and smart phones, Hewlitt Packard is still making desktops and laptops. The new CEO is trying to pull the company out of the fire with her "5 year plan", but if the last 5 years are any indication of what the next 5 will be like, HP stock will be going south in a hurry over the next 5 years. Ditto for Dell.

Let's face it, MOST people don't need much computing power. We're social animals, and a smart phone that allows us to talk to, text and video conference with other people meets our real needs better than a 200 terabyte hard drive. Computers are gradually going to evolve into communications devices; like powerful smart phones that can surf the net, allow you to videoconference with other people, pay your bills in your spare time (like while you're on the bus going to work or back), and all that. People need better communications devices more than they need better computers.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 8/27/2013 5:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.
Make that MOST charities. We have e-waste recycling depots up here
in Ontario now. Used to have to pay to get rid of them - now you pay
the disposal fee upfront when you buy it.

Tegger wrote:
passerby wrote in
roups.com:

replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:
cayoung61 wrote:

I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.
Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.
What is this world coming to?




And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous
waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.




And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


The idiots are the people who throw the garbage in the ditch. There are so
many places that are either required to accept electronics for recycling or
do it as a free service that you'd have to be an idiot not to know where to
recycle old CRT's and computers.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:10:55 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Stormin Mormon[_10_ Wrote:
;3113216']
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.


Next time, tape a sign to it saying "Works Good", and that will increase
the chance that someone will take it.

Put on a sign " $50.00" and it will dissapear overnight!!!

The problem is that computer technology is changing faster than computer
products are breaking down or wearing out. So, there's an abundance of
old computer hardware that still works, but no one wants because there
is newer technology coming out all of the time.

Hewlitt Packard; one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley, is
facing bankruptcy over the next 5 years because it hasn't kept up with
the changing technology. Now, when everyone is wanting tablet computers
and smart phones, Hewlitt Packard is still making desktops and laptops.

If HP goes bankript it will be because it hasn't made a quality
product in over 10 years. Ever since they joined up with Compaq, they
have produced more crap than quality - particularly in the "consumer"
field.
The new CEO is trying to pull the company out of the fire with her "5
year plan", but if the last 5 years are any indication of what the next
5 will be like, HP stock will be going south in a hurry over the next 5
years. Ditto for Dell.


Same goes for Dell. Every one I get involved with turns into "the dell
from hell"
Let's face it, MOST people don't need much computing power. We're
social animals, and a smart phone that allows us to talk to, text and
video conference with other people meets our real needs better than a
200 terabyte hard drive. Computers are gradually going to evolve into
communications devices; like powerful smart phones that can surf the
net, allow you to videoconference with other people, pay your bills in
your spare time (like while you're on the bus going to work or back),
and all that. People need better communications devices more than they
need better computers.
If they are using it as a toy, I agree with you - but for serious
business use you still need a real computer. Try doing architectural
or survey CAD on a tablet or smart phone sometime - or run an
insurance data-base on a cell-phone. A 24" monitor is not enough
real-estate for many applications.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:44:01 PM UTC-4, passerby wrote:
replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:

cayoung61 wrote:



I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?









And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous

waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either. I drive by one such TV

for about three or four months now - can't remember how long ago they've

put it out on the curb - there's already grass growing around and inside

it. They probably missed the deadline by a week or two - trash collectors

no longer pick electronics up at the curb here in PA since earlier this

year.




Yeah, here in NJ you used to be able to put TVs out on
bulk pickup days once a month when they pick up big, non garbage
stuff, like sofas, furniture, etc. Now you have to take it
to special electronics recycling locations. Not sure if they
charge, but there might be a fee. They in turn load it into
cargo ships that go the hell holes like China where people
making $1 a day, sit in toxic scrap yards and take them apart.

When I was a boy, we used to have to *stand* while we disassembled
Conestoga wagons.

On 8/27/2013 5:54 PM, Frank wrote:
On 8/27/2013 5:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.

Around here if someone sets a CRT TV or computer monitor on the curb,
within an hour, it will be smashed right there and the copper deflection
coil will be taken. The scavengers always leave the debris on the curb
where they tore the old CRT unit apart. They make a hell of a mess when
they get their hands on an old big screen TV. O_o

TDD

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:



Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.

Freecycle members frequently offer CRT monitors and tv's

The TVs seem to be taken when offered, except maybe the projection
tvs. . Maybe the monitors get taken too, but not as quickly, by
people who don't know where else to get a used monitor.

(I would get my at the end of a hamfest, when sellers left behind ones
they could not sell. And since they last 5 or 10 years or longer, I
only need a new one when i refurbish a computer.) They have thin
screen monitors at hamfests now for 20 dollars, but the wide screen
thinscreen are still 90. Only one webpage that I rarely visit
really makes me move from right to left and back. If it gets worse
I'll spend the 90, or 70 by then..

On 08/27/2013 10:05 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank wrote:

Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.
Make that MOST charities. We have e-waste recycling depots up here
in Ontario now. Used to have to pay to get rid of them - now you pay
the disposal fee upfront when you buy it.

Hi,
Yup, 10.00 to drop off old CRT TV set at recycle depot.
Here in Alberta.

It's free here in Oregon, at least where I live. We have a law that
prohibits dumping them in the pit, but they will take them at the same
facility and put them on a pallet to be shipped off somewhere.

Jon

DerbyDad03 wrote:

And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the
country.

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


The idiots are the people who throw the garbage in the ditch. There
are so many places that are either required to accept electronics for
recycling or do it as a free service that you'd have to be an idiot
not to know where to recycle old CRT's and computers.

I just take them to Goodwill. They recycle them.

micky wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:



Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are
white elephants today and you cannot give them away and some
charities will not even take them.

Freecycle members frequently offer CRT monitors and tv's

The TVs seem to be taken when offered, except maybe the projection
tvs. . Maybe the monitors get taken too, but not as quickly, by
people who don't know where else to get a used monitor.

(I would get my at the end of a hamfest, when sellers left behind ones
they could not sell. And since they last 5 or 10 years or longer, I
only need a new one when i refurbish a computer.) They have thin
screen monitors at hamfests now for 20 dollars, but the wide screen
thinscreen are still 90. Only one webpage that I rarely visit
really makes me move from right to left and back. If it gets worse
I'll spend the 90, or 70 by then..

I've gotten widescreen 19" LCDs for as low as $13 at Goodwill.

wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 8/27/2013 5:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are white
elephants today and you cannot give them away and some charities will
not even take them.
Make that MOST charities. We have e-waste recycling depots up here
in Ontario now. Used to have to pay to get rid of them - now you pay
the disposal fee upfront when you buy it.

Hi,
Yup, 10.00 to drop off old CRT TV set at recycle depot.
Here in Alberta.

On 8/27/2013 11:54 PM, Bob F wrote:
micky wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:



Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are
white elephants today and you cannot give them away and some
charities will not even take them.

Freecycle members frequently offer CRT monitors and tv's

The TVs seem to be taken when offered, except maybe the projection
tvs. . Maybe the monitors get taken too, but not as quickly, by
people who don't know where else to get a used monitor.

(I would get my at the end of a hamfest, when sellers left behind ones
they could not sell. And since they last 5 or 10 years or longer, I
only need a new one when i refurbish a computer.) They have thin
screen monitors at hamfests now for 20 dollars, but the wide screen
thinscreen are still 90. Only one webpage that I rarely visit
really makes me move from right to left and back. If it gets worse
I'll spend the 90, or 70 by then..

I've gotten widescreen 19" LCDs for as low as $13 at Goodwill.



Back in the 1990's I bought my first 17" CRT monitor and I was getting
dealer pricing since I was selling and servicing computer systems, my
cost was $550.00. I remember a 20mb IDE hard drive was $250.00 and there
was this huge magazine named "Computer Shopper" that was as thick as a
New York City phone book which often got wet from geeks drooling all
over it from looking at all the sexy pictures of computers and parts.
Amazing how some guys got a hard on for a hard drive. Darn it!
Computers are no fun anymore! ^_^

TDD

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:52:56 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.



Things used to be valuable, now can't give em

away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the

church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with

flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.



Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.



Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.



What is this world coming to?



.

Christopher A. Young

Learn about Jesus

www.lds.org

.

Until about ten years ago
I had trouble getting rid of old appliances
like water heaters, etc.
Now since the price of steel went up
the junk man comes to my door asking me if I have any.
Just wait until they realize
how valuable those rare earth metals are in electronics.
They will be coming to your door asking you for them.

On 8/28/2013 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:52:56 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.



Things used to be valuable, now can't give em

away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the

church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with

flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.



Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.



Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.



What is this world coming to?



.

Christopher A. Young

Learn about Jesus

www.lds.org

.

Until about ten years ago I had trouble getting rid of old
appliances like water heaters, etc. Now since the price of steel went
up the junk man comes to my door asking me if I have any. Just wait
until they realize how valuable those rare earth metals are in
electronics. They will be coming to your door asking you for them.


The landfills of today are the metal and mineral mines of the future,
methane is already being collected from some landfills. It would be
interesting to be alive in 100 years just to see how waste is handled.
After their term is up, politicians could be ground into a fine powder
and use to federalize crops since many of them are pieces of crap
anyway. The real fiery ones could be ground up and used for fuel but the
CO2 that would come out of them could be a real problem. ^_^

TDD

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.


Next time, tape a sign to it saying "Works Good", and that will increase
the chance that someone will take it.
CY: I thought the sign should read "first $25 takes it"?


The problem is that computer technology is changing faster than computer
products are breaking down or wearing out. So, there's an abundance of
old computer hardware that still works, but no one wants because there
is newer technology coming out all of the time.

CY: Yes, like the analog televisions? And, the Beta tape players before
VHS. And the reel to reel tape for television. I used to use those reel
tapes when I was in school.


Hewlitt Packard; one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley, is
facing bankruptcy over the next 5 years because it hasn't kept up with
the changing technology. Now, when everyone is wanting tablet computers
and smart phones, Hewlitt Packard is still making desktops and laptops.
The new CEO is trying to pull the company out of the fire with her "5
year plan", but if the last 5 years are any indication of what the next
5 will be like, HP stock will be going south in a hurry over the next 5
years. Ditto for Dell.
CY: What a shame. They are likely to go the way of the multi national
conglomerate that employed so many thousands of people. You remember
Amalgamated Buggy Whip? They shared a manufacturing complex with Global
Carriage Wheel.


Let's face it, MOST people don't need much computing power. We're
social animals, and a smart phone that allows us to talk to, text and
video conference with other people meets our real needs better than a
200 terabyte hard drive.

CY: I can't comment on desk tops, but I see a LOT of people in my daily
life, carrying smartphones. I'm near to senior citizen. I do carry a
cell phone, but doesn't do aps, or anything video.


Computers are gradually going to evolve into
communications devices; like powerful smart phones that can surf the
net, allow you to video conference with other people, pay your bills in
your spare time (like while you're on the bus going to work or back),
and all that. People need better communications devices more than they
need better computers.

CY: I do believe you're right.

Idiot reporting, sir! I took the monitor, minus cord,
to my church's dumpster. I figured it was about to be
put in dumpster, and I gave it another chance at life.

I did a good save, last year. Some folks cleaning out
house, and they were literally about to throw a
Hallicrafter tube type receiver out the second floor
window to the roll off dumpster. I intercepted it, and
shipped it to a friend who restores such things.

Note to Tegger: Yesterday, I set up a mail rule, I no
longer see Moaners Hub posts, which end in example dot
com. You also, sadly, disappeared. If that concerns you
(not appearing on one PC in one living room) you can
change your reply email adress by one letter.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/27/2013 10:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Tegger wrote:

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


The idiots are the people who throw the garbage in the ditch. There are so
many places that are either required to accept electronics for recycling or
do it as a free service that you'd have to be an idiot not to know where to
recycle old CRT's and computers.

On 8/27/2013 10:28 PM, wrote:

Next time, tape a sign to it saying "Works Good", and that will increase
the chance that someone will take it.

Put on a sign " $50.00" and it will dissapear overnight!!!
CY: Bother, we had the same idea.


If HP goes bankript it will be because it hasn't made a quality
product in over 10 years. Ever since they joined up with Compaq, they
have produced more crap than quality - particularly in the "consumer"
field.

CY: Sorry to hear that. Will they offer their new line of desktop
computers at Dollar Tree?

5 will be like, HP stock will be going south in a hurry over the next 5
years. Ditto for Dell.


Same goes for Dell. Every one I get involved with turns into "the dell
from hell"

CY: Oops, that doesn't sound good.

If they are using it as a toy, I agree with you - but for serious
business use you still need a real computer. Try doing architectural
or survey CAD on a tablet or smart phone sometime - or run an
insurance data-base on a cell-phone. A 24" monitor is not enough
real-estate for many applications.

CY: Maybe a niche market for the serious computer needs?

I recoil at the thought.

Yes, in the city near me, there are a lot of copper
clapper kleptomaniacs, like Claude Cooper from
Cleveland. As reported by the Cleaning Lady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRfuTTd09vo

One of my former friends was a copper grabber.
He used to break up the ferrite with a hammer,
and then rewind the copper into small coils, for
some thing to do.

I don't approve of people leaving a big mess like
that. But then, they didn't ask me.


..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/27/2013 10:47 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


Around here if someone sets a CRT TV or computer monitor on the curb,
within an hour, it will be smashed right there and the copper deflection
coil will be taken. The scavengers always leave the debris on the curb
where they tore the old CRT unit apart. They make a hell of a mess when
they get their hands on an old big screen TV. O_o

TDD

Ah, I'm so tempted to accept your offer, and get into
a computer cable swinging contest with you. I'd dare
to guess we've owned some of the early equipment.

I've not owned a TRS - 80 or the other one that
began with a C. Compaq? My memory is failing me.

Those woir the dayz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv955I

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 1:41 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Back in the 1990's I bought my first 17" CRT monitor and I was getting
dealer pricing since I was selling and servicing computer systems, my
cost was $550.00. I remember a 20mb IDE hard drive was $250.00 and there
was this huge magazine named "Computer Shopper" that was as thick as a
New York City phone book which often got wet from geeks drooling all
over it from looking at all the sexy pictures of computers and parts.
Amazing how some guys got a hard on for a hard drive. Darn it!
Computers are no fun anymore! ^_^

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote in
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Note to Tegger: Yesterday, I set up a mail rule, I no
longer see Moaners Hub posts, which end in example dot
com. You also, sadly, disappeared. If that concerns you
(not appearing on one PC in one living room) you can
change your reply email adress by one letter.

.


This is the reason I (and Homeowners' Hub) used example.com:
http://www.iana.org/domains/reserved

It appears that example.org is also used for this purpose, so I have
changed my domain to example.org. Do I get past the sentry now?

--
Tegger

Yes, you are visible again. And, you're not
lumped in with the moaners.

..
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On 8/28/2013 8:38 AM, Tegger wrote:


This is the reason I (and Homeowners' Hub) used example.com:
http://www.iana.org/domains/reserved

It appears that example.org is also used for this purpose, so I have
changed my domain to example.org. Do I get past the sentry now?

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:54:35 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

micky wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:



Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are
white elephants today and you cannot give them away and some
charities will not even take them.

Freecycle members frequently offer CRT monitors and tv's

The TVs seem to be taken when offered, except maybe the projection
tvs. . Maybe the monitors get taken too, but not as quickly, by
people who don't know where else to get a used monitor.

(I would get my at the end of a hamfest, when sellers left behind ones
they could not sell. And since they last 5 or 10 years or longer, I
only need a new one when i refurbish a computer.) They have thin
screen monitors at hamfests now for 20 dollars, but the wide screen
thinscreen are still 90. Only one webpage that I rarely visit
really makes me move from right to left and back. If it gets worse
I'll spend the 90, or 70 by then..

I've gotten widescreen 19" LCDs for as low as $13 at Goodwill.

Thanks. This adds to my feeling that Goodwill is more expensive here
than some other places. Because of supply and demand. In Asheville
NC CDs were a dollar, and here, at least at the Salvation Army,
they're 3. And VCR were 25 dollars at the SA until less that a year
ago. Finally they're down to 10 but still not 5 like someone else
reported.

I too should try a more expensive n'hood.

Interesting thing: I'm on 3 or 4 Freecycle mailing lists. and in
the area around me, the number of things offered is at least 10 times
the number of things requested.

On two other lists, in adjoining areas, the number of things requested
is at least as many as the number of things offered. And neither of
these two areas are poor. It's possible that the particular people
asking for things are poor, but the area around me has some poor
people too and yet the numbers are as they are.

I'm not against asking for things. I've had things I didn't use and
was happy to give away once I knew someone wanted them. But the
difference in ratios must mean something.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.


That's not good for Capitalism. We need to keep buying new things if
we want the economy to work. I actually have a high def CRT TV. It's
just has heavy as the old TVs but is high def. I thought about
replacing it with a nice flat screen LCD or LED, but I can't bring
myself to just chuck it because it's a heavy box. It isn't like I move
it much.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:41:56 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 8/27/2013 11:54 PM, Bob F wrote:
micky wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:54:57 -0400, Frank
wrote:



Best Buy will take them off your hands. CRT monitors or TV's are
white elephants today and you cannot give them away and some
charities will not even take them.

Freecycle members frequently offer CRT monitors and tv's

The TVs seem to be taken when offered, except maybe the projection
tvs. . Maybe the monitors get taken too, but not as quickly, by
people who don't know where else to get a used monitor.

(I would get my at the end of a hamfest, when sellers left behind ones
they could not sell. And since they last 5 or 10 years or longer, I
only need a new one when i refurbish a computer.) They have thin
screen monitors at hamfests now for 20 dollars, but the wide screen
thinscreen are still 90. Only one webpage that I rarely visit
really makes me move from right to left and back. If it gets worse
I'll spend the 90, or 70 by then..

I've gotten widescreen 19" LCDs for as low as $13 at Goodwill.



Back in the 1990's I bought my first 17" CRT monitor and I was getting
dealer pricing since I was selling and servicing computer systems, my
cost was $550.00. I remember a 20mb IDE hard drive was $250.00 and there
was this huge magazine named "Computer Shopper" that was as thick as a
New York City phone book which often got wet from geeks drooling all
over it from looking at all the sexy pictures of computers and parts.
Amazing how some guys got a hard on for a hard drive. Darn it!
Computers are no fun anymore! ^_^

TDD

I knew the fun was over when I saw a modem commercial on the Super
Bowl. Must have been US Robotics.

I remember back in the Reagan years. My phone rang,
I hired help, and life was good. Now, we have all
the various levels of socialism. I'm up to my eyes
in debt, no hired help, and can't afford gasoline.

I have lost hope. Change it back!

When the regulations lighten up a bit, the economy
will recover. Then, I'll start buying new stuff again.
In the meantime, I'm using a PC from about five years
ago, drive a 1995 model work van, and live in a 1974
trailer home. Thank you, socialists.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 8/28/2013 9:45 AM, dgk wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.


That's not good for Capitalism. We need to keep buying new things if
we want the economy to work. I actually have a high def CRT TV. It's
just has heavy as the old TVs but is high def. I thought about
replacing it with a nice flat screen LCD or LED, but I can't bring
myself to just chuck it because it's a heavy box. It isn't like I move
it much.

And, then, the computer world was open to
everyone. Not just geeks and nerds.

Who let the rifraff in?

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 8/28/2013 9:48 AM, dgk wrote:

I knew the fun was over when I saw a modem commercial on the Super
Bowl. Must have been US Robotics.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 06:38:37 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:



Until about ten years ago I had trouble getting rid of old
appliances like water heaters, etc. Now since the price of steel went
up the junk man comes to my door asking me if I have any. Just wait
until they realize how valuable those rare earth metals are in
electronics. They will be coming to your door asking you for them.


The landfills of today are the metal and mineral mines of the future,
methane is already being collected from some landfills. It would be

What's little known is that the mines of today were the waste dumps
and landfills of thousands of years ago. Cavemen and other primitive
man used to gather bits of coal, germanium, gold, uranium, and all the
other metals from all over the lands they occupied, sort them, and
pile them in naturally formed fissures in the ground, what became
mines in the 18th - 21st centuries.

The cavemen had no long term purpose for this gathering and
depositing. It was done as recreation, like bowling, golf, and video
games.

http://www.hobbies-and-output-of-pri...n.com/timeline .


interesting to be alive in 100 years just to see how waste is handled.
After their term is up, politicians could be ground into a fine powder
and use to federalize crops since many of them are pieces of crap
anyway. The real fiery ones could be ground up and used for fuel but the
CO2 that would come out of them could be a real problem. ^_^

TDD

While at University I learned a valuable lesson about how people 'value'
an item. There were two venues of classic films being shown. One was FREE,
just show up and watch. The other cost a pittance, but still cost you a
coin. Both venues showed relatively equal quality of films, but in the
'free' venue you could barely watch, let alone enjoy. Attendees were
talking all the time, or worse, throwing paper trash about to gain some
attention [much like today's internet]. In the other venue, you could hear
a pin drop and really enjoy the film. The lesson? People don't value
what's free. So don't give them anything. Always, always make them pay
something and they will value the gift. A small sign, "Works, yours for a
donation of $1.00" probably would have gotten the item into someone's
hands, even stolen at least. Sorry, didn't mean to bring up the evils of
presenting temptation to the weak.


On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:52:56 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:54:06 -0700, DerbyDad03
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Pick it up from the curb and take it to a donation center, such as Good
Will, Volunteers Of America, etc. Make a few phone calls and I'm sure you
will find a place that accepts electronics for recycling.

My understanding is that in some states, if you sell electronics, you
must
accept electronics for recycling.


a few years ago while in California, I had 5 dead monitors to dispose of.
*IF* I hid them one at a time in my trash bin, I was liable for something
like a $500 fine if the trash collectors found one. So, called trash
pickup and found the charge to pick up a dead monitor was $25, ...each.
Then, looked around for a local recycling plant who then paid me $5 each
for the monitors. All in all, not bad. Only 3 miles away, made $25
dollars, kept the environment clean(er), and somebody got the gold and
nickel out of those. I think they wanted the glass, too. Not sure.

You know, that explains a lot. Some day I'd
like to meet the old Alaskans and North West
Canadians who put all the diamonds into the
sub terranian layer.

Maybe the diamonds we harvest now, used to be
baby turds, and the prehistoric diapers are
still down there?

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
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On 8/28/2013 10:15 AM, micky wrote:

What's little known is that the mines of today were the waste dumps
and landfills of thousands of years ago. Cavemen and other primitive
man used to gather bits of coal, germanium, gold, uranium, and all the
other metals from all over the lands they occupied, sort them, and
pile them in naturally formed fissures in the ground, what became
mines in the 18th - 21st centuries.

The cavemen had no long term purpose for this gathering and
depositing. It was done as recreation, like bowling, golf, and video
games.

http://www.hobbies-and-output-of-pri...n.com/timeline .

This is great wisdom. I will save this to text file,
and it will appear later in other places. Thank
you.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 10:21 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
While at University I learned a valuable lesson about how people 'value'
an item. There were two venues of classic films being shown. One was
FREE, just show up and watch. The other cost a pittance, but still cost
you a coin. Both venues showed relatively equal quality of films, but in
the 'free' venue you could barely watch, let alone enjoy. Attendees were
talking all the time, or worse, throwing paper trash about to gain some
attention [much like today's internet]. In the other venue, you could
hear a pin drop and really enjoy the film. The lesson? People don't
value what's free. So don't give them anything. Always, always make them
pay something and they will value the gift. A small sign, "Works, yours
for a donation of $1.00" probably would have gotten the item into
someone's hands, even stolen at least. Sorry, didn't mean to bring up
the evils of presenting temptation to the weak.

On 8/27/2013 9:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 03:10:55 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Stormin Mormon[_10_ Wrote:
;3113216']
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.


Next time, tape a sign to it saying "Works Good", and that will increase
the chance that someone will take it.

Put on a sign " $50.00" and it will dissapear overnight!!!

The problem is that computer technology is changing faster than computer
products are breaking down or wearing out. So, there's an abundance of
old computer hardware that still works, but no one wants because there
is newer technology coming out all of the time.

Hewlitt Packard; one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley, is
facing bankruptcy over the next 5 years because it hasn't kept up with
the changing technology. Now, when everyone is wanting tablet computers
and smart phones, Hewlitt Packard is still making desktops and laptops.

If HP goes bankript it will be because it hasn't made a quality
product in over 10 years. Ever since they joined up with Compaq, they
have produced more crap than quality - particularly in the "consumer"
field.

I work on their business PC's and they're good machines. The problems
with any of the business computers I service is the simple fact that the
corporate office of the stores won't pay for regular cleaning of
the machines to get the dust out of them and the computers overheat and
quit. They don't call us until the darn things die. O_o

The new CEO is trying to pull the company out of the fire with her "5
year plan", but if the last 5 years are any indication of what the next
5 will be like, HP stock will be going south in a hurry over the next 5
years. Ditto for Dell.


Same goes for Dell. Every one I get involved with turns into "the dell
from hell"

I have a bunch of Dell computers, I'm on a Precision 390 right now and
the Dell computers here at the office are good machines. Just like HP,
the business machines are good and only die when they're allowed to clog
up with dust which causes them to overheat. o_O

Let's face it, MOST people don't need much computing power. We're
social animals, and a smart phone that allows us to talk to, text and
video conference with other people meets our real needs better than a
200 terabyte hard drive. Computers are gradually going to evolve into
communications devices; like powerful smart phones that can surf the
net, allow you to videoconference with other people, pay your bills in
your spare time (like while you're on the bus going to work or back),
and all that. People need better communications devices more than they
need better computers.
If they are using it as a toy, I agree with you - but for serious
business use you still need a real computer. Try doing architectural
or survey CAD on a tablet or smart phone sometime - or run an
insurance data-base on a cell-phone. A 24" monitor is not enough
real-estate for many applications.


I have to scan documents and upload them along with pictures to
corporate service companies we do work for and it's difficult to do on a
laptop and would be darn near impossible to do on a tablet. I don't
think I could run the software I use to download results from our
network test equipment to a tablet for upload to our service companies.
^_^

TDD