"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org

CRTs and TVs can be taken to the recycle centre here.
You go down there and there are hundreds of them in skips.
Most apparently in working order.

On 8/28/2013 9:27 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:54:06 -0700, DerbyDad03
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Pick it up from the curb and take it to a donation center, such as Good
Will, Volunteers Of America, etc. Make a few phone calls and I'm sure you
will find a place that accepts electronics for recycling.

My understanding is that in some states, if you sell electronics, you
must
accept electronics for recycling.


a few years ago while in California, I had 5 dead monitors to dispose
of. *IF* I hid them one at a time in my trash bin, I was liable for
something like a $500 fine if the trash collectors found one. So, called
trash pickup and found the charge to pick up a dead monitor was $25,
...each. Then, looked around for a local recycling plant who then paid
me $5 each for the monitors. All in all, not bad. Only 3 miles away,
made $25 dollars, kept the environment clean(er), and somebody got the
gold and nickel out of those. I think they wanted the glass, too. Not sure.

The copper deflection coil on the neck of the picture tube is the most
valuable item in the CRT monitor. ^_^

TDD

On 8/28/2013 9:21 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
While at University I learned a valuable lesson about how people 'value'
an item. There were two venues of classic films being shown. One was
FREE, just show up and watch. The other cost a pittance, but still cost
you a coin. Both venues showed relatively equal quality of films, but in
the 'free' venue you could barely watch, let alone enjoy. Attendees were
talking all the time, or worse, throwing paper trash about to gain some
attention [much like today's internet]. In the other venue, you could
hear a pin drop and really enjoy the film. The lesson? People don't
value what's free. So don't give them anything. Always, always make them
pay something and they will value the gift. A small sign, "Works, yours
for a donation of $1.00" probably would have gotten the item into
someone's hands, even stolen at least. Sorry, didn't mean to bring up
the evils of presenting temptation to the weak.


I suppose that explains what happens to public housing units? Things are
worth what you pay for them. O_o

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


The copper in the power cord is worth more than the monitor.
I've put many CPUs, Monitors, and printers out for Spring pickup for the
past few years and they were still there after all the scavengers got to
them first.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

Stormin Mormon wrote in news:lc9Tt.99055$0K4.26613
@fx11.iad:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Uhhh, think about it a little Stormy. The church doesn't even want it.

Well, there is that....

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 5:24 PM, Red Green wrote:

Uhhh, think about it a little Stormy. The church doesn't even want it.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.

You reuse your garbage?

Depends. If you wash them, they're reusable.

Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org

wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.

You reuse your garbage?

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:21:13 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

While at University I learned a valuable lesson about how people 'value'
an item. There were two venues of classic films being shown. One was FREE,
just show up and watch. The other cost a pittance, but still cost you a
coin. Both venues showed relatively equal quality of films, but in the
'free' venue you could barely watch, let alone enjoy. Attendees were
talking all the time, or worse, throwing paper trash about to gain some
attention [much like today's internet]. In the other venue, you could hear
a pin drop and really enjoy the film. The lesson? People don't value
what's free. So don't give them anything. Always, always make them pay
something and they will value the gift. A small sign, "Works, yours for a
donation of $1.00" probably would have gotten the item into someone's
hands, even stolen at least. Sorry, didn't mean to bring up the evils of
presenting temptation to the weak.

A corollary of the "broken windows theory".

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:52:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

You should have used the CRT as a second monitor. If you don't use
two you don't much see an advantage. Try using two and then take one
away.

goodwills around pittsburgh pa area no longer take old style tvs

On 8/28/2013 8:32 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:52:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em away. I had a CRT
computer monitor from the church. Fairly recent, works fine. They
went with flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too many
monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and someone cut off
the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300 for that monitor.
Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

You should have used the CRT as a second monitor. If you don't use
two you don't much see an advantage. Try using two and then take
one away.


I usually have two set up. I play with a lot of software and I have the
largest LCD in front of me then next to it a smaller 20" LCD with a real
time performance monitor displayed so I can see what's going on with my
system. ^_^

TDD

Only since Cub Scouts when we made bleach bottle pigs, and that kind of
thing.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 8:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.

You reuse your garbage?

Only four or five times, then they start to decompose.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 9:00 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Depends. If you wash them, they're reusable.

Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org

wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:10:29 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Because I'm an old man, and I'm used to things
lasting a long time.

You reuse your garbage?

Same deal near me, in my area. So, I have to
melt them down, and put them in shallow pans,
for the neighbor's dogs to lick. Then, I go
over to Lisa's place, and throw them in the ditch.
And I leave them on the lawn for the other guy
to mulch with the mower. Finely mulched, they
can be sprinkled on mashed potatoes.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/28/2013 10:03 PM, bob haller wrote:
goodwills around pittsburgh pa area no longer take old style tvs

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Idiot reporting, sir! I took the monitor, minus cord,
to my church's dumpster. I figured it was about to be
put in dumpster, and I gave it another chance at life.

Instead of recycleing it so the lead doesn't end up in the environment. Too bad!

harryagain wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I remember back in the Reagan years. My phone rang,
I hired help, and life was good. Now, we have all
the various levels of socialism. I'm up to my eyes
in debt, no hired help, and can't afford gasoline.

I have lost hope. Change it back!

When the regulations lighten up a bit, the economy
will recover. Then, I'll start buying new stuff again.
In the meantime, I'm using a PC from about five years
ago, drive a 1995 model work van, and live in a 1974
trailer home. Thank you, socialists.

.
There are no socialists in the USA.
It was capitalism that ****ed y'all up over there.

You sure got that right!

Socialists indeed. How clueless can you get?

And the Bush collapse had nothing to do with it?

micky wrote:
I've gotten widescreen 19" LCDs for as low as $13 at Goodwill.

Thanks. This adds to my feeling that Goodwill is more expensive here
than some other places. Because of supply and demand. In Asheville
NC CDs were a dollar, and here, at least at the Salvation Army,
they're 3. And VCR were 25 dollars at the SA until less that a year
ago. Finally they're down to 10 but still not 5 like someone else
reported.

It must depend on the guy pricing them. I see similar monitors priced from $12
to $40 at different times.

Sigh. Going to have to go see an environmentalist
this Sunday for confession. Bless me, Al Gore, for
I have sinned. I put a CRT in the dumpster.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/29/2013 1:27 AM, Bob F wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Idiot reporting, sir! I took the monitor, minus cord,
to my church's dumpster. I figured it was about to be
put in dumpster, and I gave it another chance at life.

Instead of recycleing it so the lead doesn't end up in the environment. Too bad!

"Bob F" wrote in :

so the lead doesn't end up in the
environment. Too bad!



Where did the lead come from in the first place?


--
Tegger

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:20:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Tegger wrote:

passerby wrote in

roups.com:



replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:

cayoung61 wrote:



I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?









And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous

waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.









And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.



Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The

environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to

prevent. Idiots.





The idiots are the people who throw the garbage in the ditch. There are so

many places that are either required to accept electronics for recycling or

do it as a free service that you'd have to be an idiot not to know where to

recycle old CRT's and computers.


Surely anyone throwing CRT's in a ditch is a jerk. But I
suppose there may be some places where there are no reasonable
options for disposing of CRTs. It's kind of hard to imagine
and I think it would be rare. Here in NJ we have bulk pickup
once a month for large household items that are not like
general garbage. They used to take CRTs, TVs, etc. When
they stopped taking them a couple years ago, the new
procedure was that you had to take them to one of the two
recycling centers in the township, which is still very easy,
at most less than a 10 min drive for anyone.

I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 12:17:33 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

"Bob F" wrote in :

so the lead doesn't end up in the
environment. Too bad!



Where did the lead come from in the first place?

....and if it's in the glass, it *isn't* going back.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:20:39 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Tegger wrote:

passerby wrote in

roups.com:



replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:

cayoung61 wrote:



I've got too

many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and

someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300

for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?









And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous

waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.









And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.



Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The

environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to

prevent. Idiots.





The idiots are the people who throw the garbage in the ditch. There are so

many places that are either required to accept electronics for recycling or

do it as a free service that you'd have to be an idiot not to know where to

recycle old CRT's and computers.


Surely anyone throwing CRT's in a ditch is a jerk. But I
suppose there may be some places where there are no reasonable
options for disposing of CRTs. It's kind of hard to imagine
and I think it would be rare. Here in NJ we have bulk pickup
once a month for large household items that are not like
general garbage. They used to take CRTs, TVs, etc. When
they stopped taking them a couple years ago, the new
procedure was that you had to take them to one of the two
recycling centers in the township, which is still very easy,
at most less than a 10 min drive for anyone.

When I lived in NY, there was no reasonable way to get rid of old
furniture, appliances, or pretty much anything outside normal
household garbage. They often ended up at the side of the road.

I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

There are.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:00:23 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Depends. If you wash them, they're reusable.

Must be an LDS thing. No thanks.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:32:40 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:52:56 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Amazing, in this modern and changing society.

Things used to be valuable, now can't give em
away. I had a CRT computer monitor from the
church. Fairly recent, works fine. They went with
flat panel, and gave me the old one. I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.

Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.

Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.

What is this world coming to?

You should have used the CRT as a second monitor. If you don't use
two you don't much see an advantage. Try using two and then take one
away.

I've used two at work and home for 15 years. I'd be hard pressed to go
back to a single monitor. In fact I'm trying to figure out how to add
a third and fourth at work.

Like I say, my spoof is funnier than I.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/29/2013 5:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:00:23 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Depends. If you wash them, they're reusable.

Must be an LDS thing. No thanks.

Ah, quit cloning around.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/29/2013 5:41 PM, wrote:


I've used two at work and home for 15 years. I'd be hard pressed to go
back to a single monitor. In fact I'm trying to figure out how to add
a third and fourth at work.

wrote in :

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:



I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

There are.



My county is one of them. Yes, there are legal ways here to get rid of
large and inconvenient objects containing substances currently considered
naughty, but the environuts have ensured that those ways remain
unadvertised, inconvenient, and uncomfortable.

Just try visiting our local county dump. Once you get past the quarter-
mile-long lineup (everybody MUST pass the scale even if he has only a
single bag of garbage!), you get the third-degree as to what, exactly,
you're bringing in. And then there are the charges: Minimum charge is $5.
Four bags of garbage is $9. You're charged by the pound; how much do you
have, and how much will it cost? You won't know until you go back across
the scale on the way out.

Garbage is a moral issue these days: It's the modern equivalent of
adultery, sodomy, or some other form of moral dissipation. If you've
managed to generate garbage of some kind, then you are a depraved and
defective person and must be -- if not punished -- at least be made
abundantly aware of your sins.


--
Tegger

wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT), "
trader4@optonline

....snip...


Surely anyone throwing CRT's in a ditch is a jerk. But I
suppose there may be some places where there are no reasonable
options for disposing of CRTs. It's kind of hard to imagine
and I think it would be rare. Here in NJ we have bulk pickup
once a month for large household items that are not like
general garbage. They used to take CRTs, TVs, etc. When
they stopped taking them a couple years ago, the new
procedure was that you had to take them to one of the two
recycling centers in the township, which is still very easy,
at most less than a 10 min drive for anyone.

When I lived in NY, there was no reasonable way to get rid of old
furniture, appliances, or pretty much anything outside normal
household garbage. They often ended up at the side of the road.

What's your definition of "NY"?

As far as I know NY stands for New York, the state, and I can assure you
that in many, many municipalities in NY there are lots of reasonable ways
to get rid of just about *anything* outside of normal household garbage.


I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

There are.

Examples?

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

wrote in :

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:



I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

There are.



My county is one of them. Yes, there are legal ways here to get rid of
large and inconvenient objects containing substances currently considered
naughty, but the environuts have ensured that those ways remain
unadvertised, inconvenient, and uncomfortable.

Just try visiting our local county dump. Once you get past the quarter-
mile-long lineup (everybody MUST pass the scale even if he has only a
single bag of garbage!), you get the third-degree as to what, exactly,
you're bringing in. And then there are the charges: Minimum charge is $5.
Four bags of garbage is $9. You're charged by the pound; how much do you
have, and how much will it cost? You won't know until you go back across
the scale on the way out.

Garbage is a moral issue these days: It's the modern equivalent of
adultery, sodomy, or some other form of moral dissipation. If you've
managed to generate garbage of some kind, then you are a depraved and
defective person and must be -- if not punished -- at least be made
abundantly aware of your sins.

Typical lefty mischief.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:22:55 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:29:02 -0700 (PDT), "
trader4@optonline

...snip...


Surely anyone throwing CRT's in a ditch is a jerk. But I
suppose there may be some places where there are no reasonable
options for disposing of CRTs. It's kind of hard to imagine
and I think it would be rare. Here in NJ we have bulk pickup
once a month for large household items that are not like
general garbage. They used to take CRTs, TVs, etc. When
they stopped taking them a couple years ago, the new
procedure was that you had to take them to one of the two
recycling centers in the township, which is still very easy,
at most less than a 10 min drive for anyone.

When I lived in NY, there was no reasonable way to get rid of old
furniture, appliances, or pretty much anything outside normal
household garbage. They often ended up at the side of the road.

What's your definition of "NY"?

In my case it was Dutchess County.

As far as I know NY stands for New York, the state, and I can assure you
that in many, many municipalities in NY there are lots of reasonable ways
to get rid of just about *anything* outside of normal household garbage.

So you admit that there are other municipalities in NY where they are
too stupid to come in out of the rain? At least you've reached step-1
(admitting the problem).


I suppose there might be some rare places dumb enough not
to have a reasonable way for residents to properly dispose of these
things, but I'd sure like to see some examples.

There are.

Examples?

See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them. Idiot lefties make
everything difficult.

wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:22:55 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:
...snip...


As far as I know NY stands for New York, the state, and I can assure you
that in many, many municipalities in NY there are lots of reasonable ways
to get rid of just about *anything* outside of normal household garbage.

So you admit that there are other municipalities in NY where they are
too stupid to come in out of the rain? At least you've reached step-1
(admitting the problem).


I admit no such thing simply because I would be speaking without any
knowledge of that fact.

Just because I know of many, many municipalities in NY (including NYC) that
make it easy to recycle electronics, doesn't mean that I know of others
that don't. I can only speak from my experience and that is that many
municipalities in NY and many other states make it very easy to recycle.
I've yet to experience one that didn't, but I haven't tested them all.
That, I will admit.

If you say there are places that make it difficult, the best I can do is
decide whether I want to believe you or perhaps do my own research. Since
at this point I haven't made a decision either way, I don't (can't?)
"admit" that such places exist. I don't doubt that they do exist, if only
because i don't think you'd lie to us, I simply have no experience or
knowledge that would allow me to €�admit" it.

wrote:

....snip...


See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them.

I've got that one figured out, at least for small numbers, like maybe up to
4.

On those occasions when I have tires to get rid of, I wait until the dark
of night and drop them off near the service entrance of tire places where I
have done business in the past. I'm guessing that they charge more for
"tire disposal" than it actually costs them, so I simply try to get a
better deal by having them dispose of a couple of extra tires at no charge
to me.

On 8/30/2013 3:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
wrote:

...snip...


See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them.

I've got that one figured out, at least for small numbers, like maybe up to
4.

On those occasions when I have tires to get rid of, I wait until the dark
of night and drop them off near the service entrance of tire places where I
have done business in the past. I'm guessing that they charge more for
"tire disposal" than it actually costs them, so I simply try to get a
better deal by having them dispose of a couple of extra tires at no charge
to me.


that would be illegal to do. it's called dumping hazardous waste.

similar to people who drop off animals after hours at the animal rescue
i work at. the last one i heard of was a horse tied to the front doorknob.

On 9/3/2013 1:51 PM, chaniarts wrote:
On 8/30/2013 3:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
wrote:

...snip...


See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them.

I've got that one figured out, at least for small numbers, like
maybe up to
4.

On those occasions when I have tires to get rid of, I wait until the
dark
of night and drop them off near the service entrance of tire places
where I
have done business in the past. I'm guessing that they charge more for
"tire disposal" than it actually costs them, so I simply try to get a
better deal by having them dispose of a couple of extra tires at no
charge
to me.


that would be illegal to do. it's called dumping hazardous waste.

If the OP were to call a service station and ask what their tire
disposal fee is, he may find it is much cheaper than what his local
refuse hauler charges. The shop my sister manages charges $5/tire
versus the $25 fee typically charged by residential trash haulers in
this area.

Amusingly enough, she's been having a problem with thieves stealing
used tires from her business. A good many used tires still have plenty
of life in them, and in tough economic times there's a lot of people
willing to buy used tires cheap. She's got an arrangement with a
company that actually pays her $3/tire, and comes by weekly to pick
them up. So they're a moneymaker for her on both sides of the deal.
But she's caught employees from the service station down the street
stealing them from her trash compound. The service station sells used
tires direct to the public, and when they run low they raid their
competition's stockpiles. The thieves had the chutzpah to assure her
that they had her shop manager's permission to take the tires, because
they had no idea that that particular shop was managed by her.

It's the same issue with used batteries and discarded metal parts, of
course. They're worth even more to the recyclers, so she has to keep
that stuff locked up in the shop, since the metal pirates will make
off with all of it otherwise.

In this thread, I'm the OP, and I set a computer monitor
out to the curb. It was still there days later, but the
cord had been cut off. So, tell me why I'd call about
tire prices?

I knew a guy who lost a box of tools. Some one he
had met (note, I didn't say a friend of his) told his
wife he said it was OK, and she let him take the tools.

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On 9/3/2013 3:29 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

If the OP were to call a service station and ask what their tire
disposal fee is, he may find it is much cheaper than what his local
refuse hauler charges. The shop my sister manages charges $5/tire versus
the $25 fee typically charged by residential trash haulers in this area.

Amusingly enough, she's been having a problem with thieves stealing used
tires from her business. A good many used tires still have plenty of
life in them, and in tough economic times there's a lot of people
willing to buy used tires cheap. She's got an arrangement with a company
that actually pays her $3/tire, and comes by weekly to pick them up. So
they're a moneymaker for her on both sides of the deal. But she's caught
employees from the service station down the street stealing them from
her trash compound. The service station sells used tires direct to the
public, and when they run low they raid their competition's stockpiles.
The thieves had the chutzpah to assure her that they had her shop
manager's permission to take the tires, because they had no idea that
that particular shop was managed by her.

It's the same issue with used batteries and discarded metal parts, of
course. They're worth even more to the recyclers, so she has to keep
that stuff locked up in the shop, since the metal pirates will make off
with all of it otherwise.

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:51:20 -0700, chaniarts
wrote in Re
Value of items:

On 8/30/2013 3:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
wrote:

...snip...


See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them.

I've got that one figured out, at least for small numbers, like maybe up to
4.

On those occasions when I have tires to get rid of, I wait until the dark
of night and drop them off near the service entrance of tire places where I
have done business in the past. I'm guessing that they charge more for
"tire disposal" than it actually costs them, so I simply try to get a
better deal by having them dispose of a couple of extra tires at no charge
to me.


that would be illegal to do. it's called dumping hazardous waste.

similar to people who drop off animals after hours at the animal rescue
i work at. the last one i heard of was a horse tied to the front doorknob.

Used to be you could sell them to the dog-food factory. Now it's
either put them down or drop them off with the "shelter" people who
caused the problem if the first place.
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On 8/27/2013 8:05 PM, Tegger wrote:
passerby wrote in
roups.com:

replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:
cayoung61 wrote:

I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.
Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.
What is this world coming to?


And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous
waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.


And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


Nobody's made it a moral issue; it's a cost and convenience issue.
Putting it into conventional landfills leads to future liability
issues that will be borne by the taxpayers. There are expenses related
to removing hazardous waste from the normal disposal stream, so the
obvious solution is to simply exclude it from that stream. But, as you
noted, if you don't give people _convenient_ alternatives, they'll
find another way to get rid of it. So sure, tell people it's not
allowed to throw that stuff in their regular trash, but you also must
provide a means to conveniently get rid of that stuff, or it will end
up on the wayside. Half measures never succeed.

On 9/3/2013 3:11 PM, CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 11:51:20 -0700, chaniarts
wrote in Re
Value of items:

On 8/30/2013 3:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
wrote:

...snip...


See above. Portage county OH, was another. If there was a way of
getting rid of "naughty" stuff, they sure hid it well enough. It cost
me $25/tire to get someone to take them.

I've got that one figured out, at least for small numbers, like maybe up to
4.

On those occasions when I have tires to get rid of, I wait until the dark
of night and drop them off near the service entrance of tire places where I
have done business in the past. I'm guessing that they charge more for
"tire disposal" than it actually costs them, so I simply try to get a
better deal by having them dispose of a couple of extra tires at no charge
to me.


that would be illegal to do. it's called dumping hazardous waste.

similar to people who drop off animals after hours at the animal rescue
i work at. the last one i heard of was a horse tied to the front doorknob.

Used to be you could sell them to the dog-food factory. Now it's
either put them down or drop them off with the "shelter" people who
caused the problem if the first place.


I thought old horses wound up at the glue factory but that was back in
the old days. ^_^

TDD

On 9/3/2013 4:26 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/27/2013 8:05 PM, Tegger wrote:
passerby wrote in
roups.com:

replying to Stormin Mormon , passerby wrote:
cayoung61 wrote:

I've got too
many monitors, so I put it on the curb.
Couple days later, it's still there. I look, and
someone cut off the wire, but left the rest.
Five years ago, the church probably paid $300
for that monitor. Now, I can't give it away free.
What is this world coming to?


And it will be there for a long time, since it's considered hazardous
waste. Trash collectors won't pick it up either.


And that's why I see so many of them dumped in the ditch in the country.

Make garbage a moral issue, and people will get immoral with it. The
environuts are causing the very problems that they think they want to
prevent. Idiots.


Nobody's made it a moral issue; it's a cost and convenience issue.
Putting it into conventional landfills leads to future liability issues
that will be borne by the taxpayers. There are expenses related to
removing hazardous waste from the normal disposal stream, so the obvious
solution is to simply exclude it from that stream. But, as you noted, if
you don't give people _convenient_ alternatives, they'll find another
way to get rid of it. So sure, tell people it's not allowed to throw
that stuff in their regular trash, but you also must provide a means to
conveniently get rid of that stuff, or it will end up on the wayside.
Half measures never succeed.



I've often written that today's landfills are tomorrows mines. As I've
studied and read history, I've noticed that mankind uses more but wastes
less. There are some interesting sites about recycling and one I
read showed that most of the metal lead we use and almost ALL lead is
recycled. The only things stopping the complete recycling of everything
is the cost and the development of industrial methods that can implement
total recycling so that the process delivers more value than the energy
put into it. I'm sure a group engineers and scientists can develop a way
to completely extract and separate all the component parts of trash but
at what cost? O_o

TDD