8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

Yes, your disabled nation is becoming more feeble by the day.

How many of you reading this is collection disability?

(probably most of you)

===============================

February 5, 2013

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8830...straight-month

The number of American "workers" collecting federal disability payments
climbed to yet another record high of 8,830,026 in January, up from
8,827,795 in December, according to newly released data from the Social
Security Administration.

This is the 192nd straight month that the number of American "workers"
collecting federal disability payments has increased. The last time the
number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997
(ah Clinton - those were the golden days, weren't they?). That month
the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from
4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.

As the overall number of Americans collecting disability has increased,
the ratio of full-time workers to disability beneficiaries has
decreased.

In December 1968, 1,295,428 Americans collected disability and
65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 Americans
working full-time for each person collecting disability at that time.
In January 1997, the last time the number of disability beneficiaries
declined, 4,385,374 Americans collected disability and 104,900,000
worked full-time. Thus, there were then about 24 Americans working
full-time for each person collecting disability.

In January 2013, with a record 8,830,026 Americans collecting disability
and 115,918,000 working fulltime, there were only 13 Americans working
full-time for each person collecting disability.

New Record wrote in :

Subject: Something has happened for the 192'nd straight month...
From: New Record
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair,misc.consumers

8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

In the rural south east of the U.S. (not many jobs) where I live, getting
on "Disability" is the ultimate ambition of many "over 50" people. For
some reason it's mostly back-problems that they claim; but they'll use any
excuse.

Yes, your disabled nation is becoming more feeble by the day.

Can't argue with that. In America, why work when it's so easy to be a
welfare bum? No wonder the Chinese are kicking our ass.

How many of you reading this is collection disability?
(probably most of you)

I've lurked here for quite a while, and yes, there do seem to be a lot of
"disabled" people here. Do a search of the archive and see how many times
"disability" or "disabled" pop up.

On 2/5/2013 9:43 PM, New Record wrote:
8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month

Yes, your disabled nation is becoming more feeble by the day.

How many of you reading this is collection disability?

(probably most of you)

===============================

February 5, 2013

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8830...straight-month

The number of American "workers" collecting federal disability payments
climbed to yet another record high of 8,830,026 in January, up from
8,827,795 in December, according to newly released data from the Social
Security Administration.

This is the 192nd straight month that the number of American "workers"
collecting federal disability payments has increased. The last time the
number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997
(ah Clinton - those were the golden days, weren't they?). That month
the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from
4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.

As the overall number of Americans collecting disability has increased,
the ratio of full-time workers to disability beneficiaries has
decreased.

In December 1968, 1,295,428 Americans collected disability and
65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 Americans
working full-time for each person collecting disability at that time.
In January 1997, the last time the number of disability beneficiaries
declined, 4,385,374 Americans collected disability and 104,900,000
worked full-time. Thus, there were then about 24 Americans working
full-time for each person collecting disability.

In January 2013, with a record 8,830,026 Americans collecting disability
and 115,918,000 working fulltime, there were only 13 Americans working
full-time for each person collecting disability.



Wow, I had just read the worker to disabled ratio was 18 to 1.

I guess they include SSD in SS figures where it is said there are 2
workers for every one SS recipient. A few years ago I heard that 40% of
SS funds went to those other than the elderly.

I've known a lot of people on SSD. One hunter, with a bad back, went
bow hunting one morning, climbed a tree with a portable stand, killed a
deer, took it home and hung it to butcher that night. That afternoon he
went out and repeated the process bringing home a 2nd deer. I know the
guy truly has a bad back and has needed several surgeries, but my God,
there must have been some work available for him in his condition.

Companies in pruning their work force will put company lawyers on a
worker's case to help him get SSD and get rid of him making him a
society burden.

One of my sons dealt with workman's comp in the state issues. He said
it was becoming the new welfare. Panels determining workman's comp
cases were hack retired politicians or lawyers double dipping. Doctors
could get more money treating those on workman's comp and loved having
the patients. I'm sure SSD is riddled with the same corruption.

On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 8:07:38 AM UTC-5, BillyBobT wrote:
Can't argue with that. In America, why work when it's so easy to be a
welfare bum? No wonder the Chinese are kicking our ass.

Yeah, and the people that are truly disabled, who paid into the system for 40 years without ever asking for a penny back, who truly *NEED* the money to survive are denied.

New Record wrote:
8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month


And how many of them are victims of Bush's 2 wars?

Bob F wrote:
New Record wrote:
8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month


And how many of them are victims of Bush's 2 wars?

Virtually none. Most are victims of the current administration's economic
policies.

What does one do when unemployment insurance runs out and a job is not
available? Answer: Apply for disability.

Aside from the threshold for disability being absurdly low, the fact that a
person can't find a job axiomatically implies there's something so wrong
with that person that no one will hire him. All that remains is to put a
name to person's malady.

Disability proved.

You think I jest? My wife is a very rare critter: a conservative social
worker*. Recently she was offered a job interviewing, and marking for
disability, those who were long-term unemployed.

As explained to her, she would visit with the subject for an hour and
prepare a report identifying the probable disease or defect. The supervising
psychiarist would attach her report, over his signature, to Social Security.
In turn, the SSA would screech: "Give him the money!"

The person who offered her the job was even thinking of passing out business
cards at the unemployment office.

I tell you, they have no shame! On the other hand, the people affected
didn't make the rules so they really can't be blamed for playing by them.

---------
* She's a smart cookie: BS, BA, MSW, MBA. And CYI (Certified Yoga
Instructor).

On 2/7/2013 6:54 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Bob F wrote:
New Record wrote:
8,830,026:

Americans on Disability Hits New Record for 192nd Straight Month


And how many of them are victims of Bush's 2 wars?

Virtually none. Most are victims of the current administration's economic
policies.

CURRENT administration? Hogwash.

What does one do when unemployment insurance runs out and a job is not
available? Answer: Apply for disability.

Been going on for decades...began to evolve in the nineties to get folks
back to work, adjust for physical limitations, rather than pay them to
do nothing. My experience in Florida with managed care was
enlightening...Florida passed Workers Comp law to require managed care
in the nineties, and it cut costs substantially but the whole system is
still a quagmire, as is US healthcare in general.

Aside from the threshold for disability being absurdly low, the fact that a
person can't find a job axiomatically implies there's something so wrong
with that person that no one will hire him. All that remains is to put a
name to person's malady.

Disability proved.

You think I jest? My wife is a very rare critter: a conservative social
worker*. Recently she was offered a job interviewing, and marking for
disability, those who were long-term unemployed.

As explained to her, she would visit with the subject for an hour and
prepare a report identifying the probable disease or defect. The supervising
psychiarist would attach her report, over his signature, to Social Security.
In turn, the SSA would screech: "Give him the money!"

As a MSW, she probably is trained to test and assess mental/emotional
problems? Unless she is not competent in that area, or falsifies
records, it makes sense?

The person who offered her the job was even thinking of passing out business
cards at the unemployment office.

I tell you, they have no shame! On the other hand, the people affected
didn't make the rules so they really can't be blamed for playing by them.

I've seen all kinds in doing WC case management, including handicapped
people who would die before they miss work ) OTOH, "faking it" is
sometimes the means to survive...single income family,
disabled/unemployed spouse, handicapped kid, and the worker is needed at
home. WTF are they supposed to do? Of course, there are the videos of
guys "crippled" by bad backs up on the roof installing new roofs. Have
seen some terrific, englightening videos myself,,,the "gotcha" kind )
I had a theory that about half the boats in Florida were purchased on
disability payments....wish I had kept track of all the roofers, lawn
care guys, painters, who were "disabled" before they moved to
Florida....the tax-free income is nice to have.

---------
* She's a smart cookie: BS, BA, MSW, MBA. And CYI (Certified Yoga
Instructor).



Another element in the caseload is the fact that folks survive lots of
conditions that once were fatal....tiny preemies, organ transplants, etc.

What a shame. She should change her name to Jose Jiminez, or Trayvon Martin.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote in message
...

My aunt, for one.

She worked as a schoolteacher from 1972 to 1976, then for the next 30 years
she spent 8-10 hours a day 7 days a week working side-by-side with her
husband, and eventually children, doing hard manual labor on a dairy farm,
plus she kept a damn clean house and raised three kids. Worked through
illnesses and chronic back problems.

After 30 years of that her ticker pooped out. She's really never recovered
from the heart attack and two bypass surgeries. If that ain't disabled I
don't know what is.

They paid more than their fair share of taxes into the system for nearly 40
years. What'd the government say about collecting disability? They basically
told her to "EFF OFF!"

Chrisians, too? I am seeing a trend.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I work with several other disabled guys and we have all been turned away
by government when we asked for help. The one thing we have in common is
the fact that we are Caucasian American male citizens. O_o

TDD

I prefer not to get sand fleas. Nor camel
STD, either.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

So you prefer the WACKO Left who believe Constitution supporting law
abiding American citizens should be killed if they resist having their
rights taken away. Have you hugged a terrorist today? ^_^

TDD

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:13:31 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Would you rather have a foreign born Marxist,
or a successful US businessman who loves
the USA?

Assuming you're asking BF, that's a silly question. Of course he'd
take the Marxist over someone who has had a productive life.

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:04:27 -0500, wrote:

Assuming you're asking BF, that's a silly question. Of course he'd
take the Marxist over someone who has had a productive life.

....

Credits were given to this link

With apologies to Paul Harvey:

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EUzMPlQb2G4


Can ya'll hear me now?!

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:30:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:04:27 -0500, wrote:

Assuming you're asking BF, that's a silly question. Of course he'd
take the Marxist over someone who has had a productive life.

...

Credits were given to this link

With apologies to Paul Harvey:

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=EUzMPlQb2G4


Can ya'll hear me now?!

That's BF, alright.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

They paid more than their fair share of taxes into the system for
nearly 40 years. What'd the government say about collecting
disability? They basically told her to "EFF OFF!"


I work with several other disabled guys and we have all been turned away
by government when we asked for help. The one thing we have in common is
the fact that we are Caucasian American male citizens. O_o

Almost every disability claim is denied on the first application. You
have to hire a lawyer and fight the decision (made by some robot clerk).
Inevitably, you'll end up in a courtroom with a hearing to get your case
heard by a human being. If the claim is legitimate, with medical
evidence to back it up - you get approved.

I had to file for a claim once that kept me out of work for a little
over a year. I was not asking for lifetime benefits, just the time I
was unable to work. My initial claim was denied, so I hired a lawyer
and a few months later was sitting in a hearing to determine my status.
The hearing lasted less than one hour, there were expert witnesses on
the State's side (social worker, a medical doctor, and an employment
counselor). I only had my medical records for evidence. All of the
experts agreed my case was valid, and I walked away with a judgment on
my side. My lawyer got 30% of the back payments, and I got a windfall
check for about $10K, plus ongoing monthly payments. Once I was able to
work again, I notified them and asked that the payments be stopped. That
was a slow process, and I think they overpaid me for a month or two.
Had I said something they probably would have fu¢ked up and paid me even
more while they sorted it out. Then I would have owed them.

Of course, you can only qualify if you have put money into the system. I
have no idea how some of these crooks get SSD that have not worked long
enough (or at all) to get benefits. Hell, I got more than I expected.
The expert that determines what kind of work you do, and how it's
categorized said my work is "skilled labor". The paperwork had me down
as 'general labor'. That was good for an extra $4K or so. I just told
them the truth, and sure enough the system worked in my favor. I told
them I didn't want to be on SSD forever (an option they gave me). I just
wanted the money that was absent while I was "laid up" (unable to work).

I was working when I had the hearing (had to take 1/2 of the day off).
They knew I wasn't trying to "game" the system like so many do. I think
being a Caucasian male actually helped my case. They didn't give me the
"3rd degree" or treat me as if I was some scam artist. They just asked
for the facts. It was actually a somewhat pleasant experience, I surely
did not expect that.

Yeah, I felt a little weird about the whole thing... I don't consider
myself a moocher, sucking off the government's teat. But, I had a
legitimate claim - and I used my right to file for the 'downtime' I
suffered. That's what it's there for - and God knows I paid my fair
share for eligibility.

How the creeps that cheat the system and get away with it is beyond me.
I would have had to lie (and produce fake medical evidence from
unscrupulous MD's) if I was a cheater. I guess to some that isn't a
problem (insert your favorite ethnic slur here).

It's those asshole's that make it impossible for legit claims to sail
through without the now literal "requirement" of filing an appeal (or
two or three) and getting lawyers involved. I probably didn't *need*
the lawyer to win the appeal - but it was so much easier with one to do
the legwork for me. It's a maze of complicated procedures to get a
hearing, to me it was worth giving up 30% of the back-pay. They work on
a contingency basis, so if you lose the appeal you don't owe the lawyer
any money.

There is just too much room for error for a common 'Joe six-pack' to get
all the paperwork correct and filed on-time. Plus, with a lawyer you
don't have to answer any pre-hearing questions - you get to say: "please
talk to my attorney". ;-)

On 2/11/2013 1:04 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

They paid more than their fair share of taxes into the system for
nearly 40 years. What'd the government say about collecting
disability? They basically told her to "EFF OFF!"


I work with several other disabled guys and we have all been turned away
by government when we asked for help. The one thing we have in common is
the fact that we are Caucasian American male citizens. O_o

Almost every disability claim is denied on the first application. You
have to hire a lawyer and fight the decision (made by some robot clerk).
Inevitably, you'll end up in a courtroom with a hearing to get your case
heard by a human being. If the claim is legitimate, with medical
evidence to back it up - you get approved.

I had to file for a claim once that kept me out of work for a little
over a year. I was not asking for lifetime benefits, just the time I
was unable to work. My initial claim was denied, so I hired a lawyer
and a few months later was sitting in a hearing to determine my status.
The hearing lasted less than one hour, there were expert witnesses on
the State's side (social worker, a medical doctor, and an employment
counselor). I only had my medical records for evidence. All of the
experts agreed my case was valid, and I walked away with a judgment on
my side. My lawyer got 30% of the back payments, and I got a windfall
check for about $10K, plus ongoing monthly payments. Once I was able to
work again, I notified them and asked that the payments be stopped. That
was a slow process, and I think they overpaid me for a month or two.
Had I said something they probably would have fu¢ked up and paid me even
more while they sorted it out. Then I would have owed them.

Of course, you can only qualify if you have put money into the system. I
have no idea how some of these crooks get SSD that have not worked long
enough (or at all) to get benefits. Hell, I got more than I expected.
The expert that determines what kind of work you do, and how it's
categorized said my work is "skilled labor". The paperwork had me down
as 'general labor'. That was good for an extra $4K or so. I just told
them the truth, and sure enough the system worked in my favor. I told
them I didn't want to be on SSD forever (an option they gave me). I just
wanted the money that was absent while I was "laid up" (unable to work).

I was working when I had the hearing (had to take 1/2 of the day off).
They knew I wasn't trying to "game" the system like so many do. I think
being a Caucasian male actually helped my case. They didn't give me the
"3rd degree" or treat me as if I was some scam artist. They just asked
for the facts. It was actually a somewhat pleasant experience, I surely
did not expect that.

Yeah, I felt a little weird about the whole thing... I don't consider
myself a moocher, sucking off the government's teat. But, I had a
legitimate claim - and I used my right to file for the 'downtime' I
suffered. That's what it's there for - and God knows I paid my fair
share for eligibility.

How the creeps that cheat the system and get away with it is beyond me.
I would have had to lie (and produce fake medical evidence from
unscrupulous MD's) if I was a cheater. I guess to some that isn't a
problem (insert your favorite ethnic slur here).

It's those asshole's that make it impossible for legit claims to sail
through without the now literal "requirement" of filing an appeal (or
two or three) and getting lawyers involved. I probably didn't *need*
the lawyer to win the appeal - but it was so much easier with one to do
the legwork for me. It's a maze of complicated procedures to get a
hearing, to me it was worth giving up 30% of the back-pay. They work on
a contingency basis, so if you lose the appeal you don't owe the lawyer
any money.

There is just too much room for error for a common 'Joe six-pack' to get
all the paperwork correct and filed on-time. Plus, with a lawyer you
don't have to answer any pre-hearing questions - you get to say: "please
talk to my attorney". ;-)


What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it. I was turned away from the emergency room at the county hospital by
the Affirmative Action morons running the place. I was in contact with
the U.S. Attorney's office over it an the the attorney I spoke with
about it was appalled but not surprised. The government attorney gave me
the phone number for The State Health Department which investigates
such violations of the law and I was told they don't investigate
complaints over a year old. It had been 13 months because I had been
trying to get a couple of local private attorneys to help me but all I
got was a runaround since one of them wanted to sign me up for SSDI
which I never wanted. I got a chance to speak with The State Attorney
General about it and he promised action. Nothing happened until I
Emailed his office and an assistant AG was good enough to research it
an call me back. The state attorney spent a good hour on the phone with
me going over what happened but told me there were no criminal penalties
that could be imposed on those responsible for denying me medical care
but it did allow me to sue them over it. The hospital lost it's license
to be a full fledged hospital and no longer has an emergency room. The
Affirmative Action morons in charge of the hospital ran it into the
ground and people with brains had to step in and salvage what they
could. It's one of those with brains who I'll contact next for some help
but I've managed to survive despite the chronic pain and medical
problems. People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 2/11/2013 1:04 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

They paid more than their fair share of taxes into the system for
nearly 40 years. What'd the government say about collecting
disability? They basically told her to "EFF OFF!"


I work with several other disabled guys and we have all been turned away
by government when we asked for help. The one thing we have in common is
the fact that we are Caucasian American male citizens. O_o

Almost every disability claim is denied on the first application. You
have to hire a lawyer and fight the decision (made by some robot clerk).
Inevitably, you'll end up in a courtroom with a hearing to get your case
heard by a human being. If the claim is legitimate, with medical
evidence to back it up - you get approved.

I had to file for a claim once that kept me out of work for a little
over a year. I was not asking for lifetime benefits, just the time I
was unable to work. My initial claim was denied, so I hired a lawyer
and a few months later was sitting in a hearing to determine my status.
The hearing lasted less than one hour, there were expert witnesses on
the State's side (social worker, a medical doctor, and an employment
counselor). I only had my medical records for evidence. All of the
experts agreed my case was valid, and I walked away with a judgment on
my side. My lawyer got 30% of the back payments, and I got a windfall
check for about $10K, plus ongoing monthly payments. Once I was able to
work again, I notified them and asked that the payments be stopped. That
was a slow process, and I think they overpaid me for a month or two.
Had I said something they probably would have fu¢ked up and paid me even
more while they sorted it out. Then I would have owed them.

Of course, you can only qualify if you have put money into the system. I
have no idea how some of these crooks get SSD that have not worked long
enough (or at all) to get benefits. Hell, I got more than I expected.
The expert that determines what kind of work you do, and how it's
categorized said my work is "skilled labor". The paperwork had me down
as 'general labor'. That was good for an extra $4K or so. I just told
them the truth, and sure enough the system worked in my favor. I told
them I didn't want to be on SSD forever (an option they gave me). I just
wanted the money that was absent while I was "laid up" (unable to work).

I was working when I had the hearing (had to take 1/2 of the day off).
They knew I wasn't trying to "game" the system like so many do. I think
being a Caucasian male actually helped my case. They didn't give me the
"3rd degree" or treat me as if I was some scam artist. They just asked
for the facts. It was actually a somewhat pleasant experience, I surely
did not expect that.

Yeah, I felt a little weird about the whole thing... I don't consider
myself a moocher, sucking off the government's teat. But, I had a
legitimate claim - and I used my right to file for the 'downtime' I
suffered. That's what it's there for - and God knows I paid my fair
share for eligibility.

How the creeps that cheat the system and get away with it is beyond me.
I would have had to lie (and produce fake medical evidence from
unscrupulous MD's) if I was a cheater. I guess to some that isn't a
problem (insert your favorite ethnic slur here).

It's those asshole's that make it impossible for legit claims to sail
through without the now literal "requirement" of filing an appeal (or
two or three) and getting lawyers involved. I probably didn't *need*
the lawyer to win the appeal - but it was so much easier with one to do
the legwork for me. It's a maze of complicated procedures to get a
hearing, to me it was worth giving up 30% of the back-pay. They work on
a contingency basis, so if you lose the appeal you don't owe the lawyer
any money.

There is just too much room for error for a common 'Joe six-pack' to get
all the paperwork correct and filed on-time. Plus, with a lawyer you
don't have to answer any pre-hearing questions - you get to say: "please
talk to my attorney". ;-)


What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it. I was turned away from the emergency room at the county hospital by
the Affirmative Action morons running the place. I was in contact with
the U.S. Attorney's office over it an the the attorney I spoke with
about it was appalled but not surprised. The government attorney gave me
the phone number for The State Health Department which investigates
such violations of the law and I was told they don't investigate
complaints over a year old. It had been 13 months because I had been
trying to get a couple of local private attorneys to help me but all I
got was a runaround since one of them wanted to sign me up for SSDI
which I never wanted. I got a chance to speak with The State Attorney
General about it and he promised action. Nothing happened until I
Emailed his office and an assistant AG was good enough to research it
an call me back. The state attorney spent a good hour on the phone with
me going over what happened but told me there were no criminal penalties
that could be imposed on those responsible for denying me medical care
but it did allow me to sue them over it. The hospital lost it's license
to be a full fledged hospital and no longer has an emergency room. The
Affirmative Action morons in charge of the hospital ran it into the
ground and people with brains had to step in and salvage what they
could. It's one of those with brains who I'll contact next for some help
but I've managed to survive despite the chronic pain and medical
problems.

It's illegal for ER's to turn away patients, for any reason including
inability to pay. They must stabilize the patient by law. I can see
why they lost their licence. Must have been run by a bunch of
reverse-racists.


People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o

No, they don't. Frankly I'm getting sick (no pun) of being treated like
a criminal when I go to fill Oxycodone or Hydrocodone. Some pharmacists
give you "the look", as if you're Pablo Escobar or something. I turned
in two Rx's for Oxy and Hydro at the same time from the same Dr. and the
pharmacist returned them to me saying "I don't feel comfortable filling
these". ****ing government (DEA) is all over MD's and pharmacists and
have them scared ****less over loss of license to jail time! Who
suffers? You and me, the MD's & pharmacists. The ****ing DEA needs to
do their job by keeping illicit drugs off the street (yeah right), they
fail at that so they go after legitimate people - patients and
practitioners.

What do you estimate the percentage of "bad" doctors are, that write
scripts for controlled substances for profit? The "pill mill" doctors.
I'd say less than 1% of all licensed MD's and nurse practitioners. Yet
they have the remaining 99% under scrutiny and they are afraid to get on
the DEA's "radar". The chronic pain patent loses in the end. We get
under dosed, and 'fired' if there is a scintilla of reason to think they
will get audited because of me/you.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

clipped
No, they don't. Frankly I'm getting sick (no pun) of being treated like
a criminal when I go to fill Oxycodone or Hydrocodone. Some pharmacists
give you "the look", as if you're Pablo Escobar or something. I turned
in two Rx's for Oxy and Hydro at the same time from the same Dr. and the
pharmacist returned them to me saying "I don't feel comfortable filling
these". ****ing government (DEA) is all over MD's and pharmacists and
have them scared ****less over loss of license to jail time! Who
suffers? You and me, the MD's & pharmacists. The ****ing DEA needs to
do their job by keeping illicit drugs off the street (yeah right), they
fail at that so they go after legitimate people - patients and
practitioners.

Rx drug overdoses have taken over as the leading cause of death in some
places....in effect, your pain is less critical than the other guy's
life. Although I'm a retired nurse, and have taken care of a lot of
people in pain, I cannot imagine living in chronic pain. I've gotten
hurt a few times, including a fairly serious back strain, and have cared
for it myself....so far nothing that hot packs and rest won't cure )
The "****ing DEA" might save my neighbor's kid from an OD.

What do you estimate the percentage of "bad" doctors are, that write
scripts for controlled substances for profit? The "pill mill" doctors.
I'd say less than 1% of all licensed MD's and nurse practitioners. Yet

Oh, boy! Waaaaay, waaaaaaaaaay off.....5% are really bad, just selling
prescriptions with no medical care. 80% probably will "treat" by
prescribing any paying customer....if they can't sell wellness (I turned
down the last offer of colonoscopy since I'm much more likely to die of
lung cancer, stroke or heart attack) they will keep ya' coming back for
drugs, preferably non-narcotic. We (the US) are insanely overprescribed
and now they have grandpa by the short hairs with Cialis ads on the tube
every 10 seconds.

Florida started cracking down big time only two or three years ago when
the drug mills were causing traffic jams by out-of-state clients.

they have the remaining 99% under scrutiny and they are afraid to get on
the DEA's "radar". The chronic pain patent loses in the end. We get
under dosed, and 'fired' if there is a scintilla of reason to think they
will get audited because of me/you.

I don't know a family untouched by drug abuse, and a couple of the meth
users have the scars to show for it....one memorable news article a
while back was about three young kids who called family for help after
they hadn't seen their parents for two or three days....parents were
locked in the bedroom, in bed, dead of drug OD.

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kfaaq9
:

People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o


How bad can it be when it doesn't stop you from reading and posting here
all hours of the day and night?

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain right?)
posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting a data entry job? If
your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET posting why would it stop you from
a data entry job?

On 2/11/2013 7:37 AM, BillyBobTheButtmuncher wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kfaaq9
:

People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o


How bad can it be when it doesn't stop you from reading and posting here
all hours of the day and night?


BillyBobTheButtmuncher, you idiot, I only get a few hours sleep at a
time and when I wake up in severe pain, unable to breathe or Mr. Bladder
demanding attention, I'll sit down at the computer until the pain meds
start to work a bit or until my sinuses open up enough for me to be
able to sleep. You are obviously one of those twerps who I believe
deserves chronic pain. O_o

TDD

Or maybe it keeps him awake, so he posts
all hours to try and keep his sanity? Cause
he can't sleep?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"BillyBobT" wrote in message
07.120...
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kfaaq9
:

People who have never lived with chronic
pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o


How bad can it be when it doesn't stop you
from reading and posting here
all hours of the day and night?

Pretty much what I would have written,
if I were eleoquant.

Mumble, mumble, uhum. Y'know.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

BillyBobTheButtmuncher, you idiot, I only get a few
hours sleep at a time and when I wake up in severe pain,
unable to breathe or Mr. Bladder demanding attention,
I'll sit down at the computer until the pain meds start to
work a bit or until my sinuses open up enough for me to
be able to sleep. You are obviously one of those twerps
who I believe deserves chronic pain. O_o

TDD

Whatzat? Some imbecile posting yet another pointless poisonous
political piece of pish-tosh of no pertinent import? **** off!

nb

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 07:44:51 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote in
Re Something has happened for the
192'nd straight month...:

Our wonderful DEA is like the BATF which will pounce on a law abiding
licensed gun dealers over paperwork mistakes because they are easy prey.
It's the same way with The DEA in regards to physicians and pharmacists.
The DEA knows where to find them so it's easy to wipe them out over any
little thing which makes it look like they're actually doing something.

You certainly have that right.

Norminn wrote:

Rx drug overdoses have taken over as the leading cause of death in some
places....in effect, your pain is less critical than the other guy's
life. Although I'm a retired nurse, and have taken care of a lot of
people in pain, I cannot imagine living in chronic pain. I've gotten
hurt a few times, including a fairly serious back strain, and have cared
for it myself....so far nothing that hot packs and rest won't cure )
The "****ing DEA" might save my neighbor's kid from an OD.

They might, but at the expense of hundreds of thousands of chronic pain
sufferers. My pain has nothing to do with the "other guy". If they
can't take their meds responsibly, or keep them locked away from kids
why is that *my* problem? I have 2 bad lumbar disks and one cervical.
My neck is straight, no curve like it's supposed to have. I have spinal
stenosis with radiculopathy. I can tell you when it's about to rain, my
spine is a barometer! My quality of life sucks. Opiates are the only
thing that can touch the pain, and lots of them. What I take would
probably OD an opiate naive person of the same gender and weight.

What do you estimate the percentage of "bad" doctors are, that write
scripts for controlled substances for profit? The "pill mill" doctors.
I'd say less than 1% of all licensed MD's and nurse practitioners. Yet

Oh, boy! Waaaaay, waaaaaaaaaay off.....5% are really bad, just selling
prescriptions with no medical care. 80% probably will "treat" by
prescribing any paying customer....

5% are that bad?! I'll bet most are from Africa or India (not being
racist, it's a personal observation). I may have been inside a few
"pill mills".

if they can't sell wellness (I turned
down the last offer of colonoscopy since I'm much more likely to die of
lung cancer, stroke or heart attack) they will keep ya' coming back for
drugs, preferably non-narcotic. We (the US) are insanely overprescribed
and now they have grandpa by the short hairs with Cialis ads on the tube
every 10 seconds.

I'd like to know where the "over prescribed" data comes from. I've
heard that before. Compared to some countries that have a different
approach to chronic pain, maybe the ratio of narcotic Rx's is higher.
That does not mean *I* get adequate relief though. I'm usually in pain
more often than not because I have to make the pills I get last. When I
first get them filled I'll take a good therapeutic dose for a few days
just to have no pain, then it's back to rationing. It really sucks
trying to decide if you want to have a day "off" from the pain, or risk
running out of meds. at the end of the month. I sometimes wonder if I'm
better off dead.

Florida started cracking down big time only two or three years ago when
the drug mills were causing traffic jams by out-of-state clients.

Well, they are on Texas now like stink on ****. I heard before TX they
were in LA "cracking down", now I hear LA is the place to go if you want
C-2 meds! They are playing a game, picking on states one at a time. As
soon as they 'clean up' a state, they pack up and **** with another.
Then it's business as usual in the 'reformed' state! What a joke.


I don't know a family untouched by drug abuse,

I can't say I do either, if we include the worse one of them all -
alcohol.

and a couple of the meth
users have the scars to show for it....one memorable news article a
while back was about three young kids who called family for help after
they hadn't seen their parents for two or three days....parents were
locked in the bedroom, in bed, dead of drug OD.

That's horrible. Meanwhile, instead of funding drug rehab programs they
keep building more prisons. Yeah, let's lock up all the people with a
disease - that will fix it. Why the US treats addicts as criminals is
beyond stupid. Why are we dumping so much money and manpower to fight
the 'scourge' of marijuana users? Fact: the #1 cause of incarceration
in the Harris County jail (Houston) is marijuana related - mostly
possession. All I can conclude is that it's just a "cash cow" to keep
the police/courts budget up. It's a job creator! Of course, if you get
caught with a little weed and you're now a certified criminal - can't
get a decent job after a drug-related conviction. The system is way
broken. Legalize pot and free-up the police to catch *real* criminals,
instead of ruining good folks lives.

The answer lies in education, early detection of addiction, and access
to treatment. The insurance companies need to classify addiction the
same as any other disease, not put restrictions on number of days or
visits to addiction counselors. That's all changing next year with the
final phase of the AHCA kicking in, no more discrimination against
certain diseases. Mental heath is just as important (or more so) than a
physical malady.

Positively pontless, pondering perhaps pontification,
ponscillious personoflage piddling peckerwood pus
filled pendulator?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"notbob" wrote in message
...
Whatzat? Some imbecile posting yet another pointless poisonous
political piece of pish-tosh of no pertinent import? **** off!

nb

Norminn writes:

Pain management is a badly neglected specialty,

Don't know your details or the Dufas's details, but
Pain Management is a specialty and there are good
Pain Management doctors.

If you aren't already seeing one, you should shop around.
My hat is off to Pain Management doctors. If you've lived
with pain, you know how bad that is. Well imagine seeing
pain patients all day long.

You can also have trouble filling Rx's. You will most likely
need to shop around for that too. When I needed to get
some Rx's filled, our local Walgreens wouldn't handle it
and none of the mom and pop drug stores would either.
The DEA has the doctors and the drug stores running scared.
Wish someone would apply a 100% sequester to them.

--
Dan Espen

On 2/11/2013 11:50 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
Norminn writes:

Pain management is a badly neglected specialty,

Don't know your details or the Dufas's details, but
Pain Management is a specialty and there are good
Pain Management doctors.

If you aren't already seeing one, you should shop around.
My hat is off to Pain Management doctors. If you've lived
with pain, you know how bad that is. Well imagine seeing
pain patients all day long.

You can also have trouble filling Rx's. You will most likely
need to shop around for that too. When I needed to get
some Rx's filled, our local Walgreens wouldn't handle it
and none of the mom and pop drug stores would either.
The DEA has the doctors and the drug stores running scared.
Wish someone would apply a 100% sequester to them.


I used to talk to a Physiatrist all the time who specialized in chronic
pain management. He had a local talk radio show on Saturdays and it was
very educational. ^_^

TDD

The Daring Dufas writes:

On 2/11/2013 11:50 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
Norminn writes:

Pain management is a badly neglected specialty,

Don't know your details or the Dufas's details, but
Pain Management is a specialty and there are good
Pain Management doctors.

If you aren't already seeing one, you should shop around.
My hat is off to Pain Management doctors. If you've lived
with pain, you know how bad that is. Well imagine seeing
pain patients all day long.

You can also have trouble filling Rx's. You will most likely
need to shop around for that too. When I needed to get
some Rx's filled, our local Walgreens wouldn't handle it
and none of the mom and pop drug stores would either.
The DEA has the doctors and the drug stores running scared.
Wish someone would apply a 100% sequester to them.


I used to talk to a Physiatrist all the time who specialized in
chronic pain management. He had a local talk radio show on Saturdays
and it was very educational. ^_^

Education is good.
If he helped with your pain issues, even better.

--
Dan Espen

On 11 Feb 2013 13:44:25 GMT, BillyBobT wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain right?)
posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting a data entry job? If
your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET posting why would it stop you from
a data entry job?

Eight hours?

BillyBobT wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain right?)
posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting a data entry job? If
your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET posting why would it stop you from
a data entry job?

I have a job. I took SSD for a little over a year, then went back to
work. For that one year, it wasn't my back - it was shoulder surgery
and the titanium screws were rejected by my skeleton. I developed a
painful "skeletal syndrome" (forgot the technical term). Since the
screws had to stay in for a year for the bone to heal, I was a one-armed
bandit. Hurt like hell too, I was taking Opana (Hydromorphone) ER and
IR.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 2/11/2013 7:37 AM, BillyBobTheButtmuncher wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kfaaq9
:

People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o


How bad can it be when it doesn't stop you from reading and posting here
all hours of the day and night?


BillyBobTheButtmuncher, you idiot, I only get a few hours sleep at a
time and when I wake up in severe pain, unable to breathe or Mr. Bladder
demanding attention, I'll sit down at the computer until the pain meds
start to work a bit or until my sinuses open up enough for me to be
able to sleep. You are obviously one of those twerps who I believe
deserves chronic pain. O_o

Must be nice to be perfectly healthy and pain free so they can pass
judgment on others. I'll bet he couldn't walk a half-mile in our shoes.

On 2/11/2013 5:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
BillyBobT wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain right?)
posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting a data entry job? If
your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET posting why would it stop you from
a data entry job?

I have a job. I took SSD for a little over a year, then went back to
work. For that one year, it wasn't my back - it was shoulder surgery
and the titanium screws were rejected by my skeleton. I developed a
painful "skeletal syndrome" (forgot the technical term). Since the
screws had to stay in for a year for the bone to heal, I was a one-armed
bandit. Hurt like hell too, I was taking Opana (Hydromorphone) ER and
IR.


Mr. Morgan, I salute your survival of the attack of the pain monster. My
personal pain critter is chewing on my right foot and leg right now
so I have to change the soaked bandage and go after some more medical
supplies. I went through a wonderful chest pain episode today that was
loads of fun. I understand your shoulder pain since both my shoulders
are torn up. I've gone through periods where all I could do was sit in
a recliner all day with my arm on a pillow because just moving caused
blinding pain. When I'm out on a job somewhere I tell the customers if
they hear me make painful grunting sounds, it's just me practicing my
karate. ^_^

TDD

On 2/11/2013 5:20 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 2/11/2013 7:37 AM, BillyBobTheButtmuncher wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote in news:kfaaq9
:

People who have never lived with chronic pain have no idea of
what it's like. O_o


How bad can it be when it doesn't stop you from reading and posting here
all hours of the day and night?


BillyBobTheButtmuncher, you idiot, I only get a few hours sleep at a
time and when I wake up in severe pain, unable to breathe or Mr. Bladder
demanding attention, I'll sit down at the computer until the pain meds
start to work a bit or until my sinuses open up enough for me to be
able to sleep. You are obviously one of those twerps who I believe
deserves chronic pain. O_o

Must be nice to be perfectly healthy and pain free so they can pass
judgment on others. I'll bet he couldn't walk a half-mile in our shoes.


I wish I could walk a half mile. Hell, I'm dreading taking the front
stairs down to my van so I can go after some medical supplies. O_o

TDD

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:50:51 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/11/2013 5:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
BillyBobT wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have never asked for
it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I qualified for it
(a doctor told me I think). After reading up on it I saw that I was
leaving a significant amount of money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to myself - WTF,
might as well try. After all, that's exactly what it's there for - and
I paid my dues to qualify. My friend and former boss told me a long
time ago, "never leave money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain right?)
posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting a data entry job? If
your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET posting why would it stop you from
a data entry job?

I have a job. I took SSD for a little over a year, then went back to
work. For that one year, it wasn't my back - it was shoulder surgery
and the titanium screws were rejected by my skeleton. I developed a
painful "skeletal syndrome" (forgot the technical term). Since the
screws had to stay in for a year for the bone to heal, I was a one-armed
bandit. Hurt like hell too, I was taking Opana (Hydromorphone) ER and
IR.


Mr. Morgan, I salute your survival of the attack of the pain monster. My
personal pain critter is chewing on my right foot and leg right now
so I have to change the soaked bandage and go after some more medical
supplies. I went through a wonderful chest pain episode today that was
loads of fun. I understand your shoulder pain since both my shoulders
are torn up. I've gone through periods where all I could do was sit in
a recliner all day with my arm on a pillow because just moving caused
blinding pain. When I'm out on a job somewhere I tell the customers if
they hear me make painful grunting sounds, it's just me practicing my
karate. ^_^

I went through shoulder pain about four-five years ago. It got so I
couldn't move my left arm without tears coming to my eyes. When it
started in my right, the light bulb came on. It turned out it was the
Lisinopril I was on. I stopped that and a month later I was fine. The
Doc didn't have a clue.

I've had knee and foot (sometimes wrist) pain for thirty years. It
got a lot better when I moved South but it still gets bad sometimes in
the Winter (this morning was no fun). At least it's tolerable, since
I moved out of snow country.

On 2/11/2013 6:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:50:51 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 2/11/2013 5:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
BillyBobT wrote:

G. Morgan wrote in
:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

What you must understand is I don't want SSDI and have
never asked for it.

I didn't originally want it either. I was told that I
qualified for it (a doctor told me I think). After reading
up on it I saw that I was leaving a significant amount of
money on the table by not taking it.

Since I honestly could not work for that period, I said to
myself - WTF, might as well try. After all, that's exactly
what it's there for - and I paid my dues to qualify. My
friend and former boss told me a long time ago, "never leave
money on the table"!

And we have another SSDI, on the dole, cronic pain (back pain
right?) posting here all day and night. Ever think of getting
a data entry job? If your "pain" doesn't stop you from USENET
posting why would it stop you from a data entry job?

I have a job. I took SSD for a little over a year, then went
back to work. For that one year, it wasn't my back - it was
shoulder surgery and the titanium screws were rejected by my
skeleton. I developed a painful "skeletal syndrome" (forgot the
technical term). Since the screws had to stay in for a year for
the bone to heal, I was a one-armed bandit. Hurt like hell too,
I was taking Opana (Hydromorphone) ER and IR.


Mr. Morgan, I salute your survival of the attack of the pain
monster. My personal pain critter is chewing on my right foot and
leg right now so I have to change the soaked bandage and go after
some more medical supplies. I went through a wonderful chest pain
episode today that was loads of fun. I understand your shoulder
pain since both my shoulders are torn up. I've gone through periods
where all I could do was sit in a recliner all day with my arm on a
pillow because just moving caused blinding pain. When I'm out on a
job somewhere I tell the customers if they hear me make painful
grunting sounds, it's just me practicing my karate. ^_^

I went through shoulder pain about four-five years ago. It got so I
couldn't move my left arm without tears coming to my eyes. When it
started in my right, the light bulb came on. It turned out it was
the Lisinopril I was on. I stopped that and a month later I was
fine. The Doc didn't have a clue.

I've had knee and foot (sometimes wrist) pain for thirty years. It
got a lot better when I moved South but it still gets bad sometimes
in the Winter (this morning was no fun). At least it's tolerable,
since I moved out of snow country.


Lisinopril which is one of the meds I have is a vasodilator and one of
the side effects you can have is chest pain. I wonder if the shoulder
pain was one of the side effects of the drug which is joint pain. Not
only do I have Lisinopril but I also have HCTZ which is a diuretic. In
2011 I became very ill with Pneumonia and after coming home from the
hospital, I couldn't seem to get any better then I started swelling
beginning with my legs and the swelling moved up to above my waist which
made me look as though I was wearing clown pants, I also had fluid in my
lungs. I contacted my physician friend who helps me and told him I had
taken HCTZ and Lisinopril before. We discussed the dose I should take
and he called it in to my pharmacist. I lost 50lbs in two weeks for a
total of over 60lbs in that month and it was all fluid. I shrank like
somebody slowly draining a waterbed and the fluid in my lungs was gone
too. My blood pressure dropped so low I was coming close to passing out
so I had to decrease the dosage of the meds and my BP is OK now. O_o

TDD

Wish we lived closer. I'd offer to go for you.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I wish I could walk a half mile. Hell, I'm dreading taking the front
stairs down to my van so I can go after some medical supplies. O_o

TDD

On 2/11/2013 7:43 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wish we lived closer. I'd offer to go for you.


I appreciate the thought. Most people have no idea what chronic pain is
like. You have to learn how to battle the depression caused by it and
being unable to do the things you used to do with ease. O_o

TDD

I've had small doses of trouble, enough to give me some appreciation.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 2/11/2013 7:43 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wish we lived closer. I'd offer to go for you.


I appreciate the thought. Most people have no idea what chronic pain is
like. You have to learn how to battle the depression caused by it and
being unable to do the things you used to do with ease. O_o

TDD