On Aug 25, 10:51*am, micky wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:12*pm, micky wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:40:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 22 Aug 2012 17:09:35 GMT, Han wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
news

It gives of some RF signal I guess, for a short distance. *As for
brand, it comes with the car. *Many cars have them now and you push a
button to start.

Ed, is there a way to turn the engine off in an emergency? *Unlock the
doors? *I am thinking of some malfunction that makes the car refuse to
brake, as well as driving into a canal. *Do you have one of those emergency
hammers that will break the glass of the window like this

http://www.amazon.com/LifeHammer-Ori...rgency-Hammer-
Orange/dp/B000BN3A4Y?

The engine can be shut down by holding the dash start/stop button for
a couple of seconds. *Doors can be unlocked by just pulling on the
handle as you normally would and it is a mechanical connection.

On my lebaron the drivers door would open from inside even if locked.

On t he Toyota, the door has to be unlocked.

For the Toyota that sounds like a distinct safety hazard. *At least
the driver's door shouldb e openable.

Yes. * *I don't lock my doors when I drive, but a lot of people do.



Harry K

Both of my last new fords (2005 and 2001) automatically lock when the
car starts moving....hmmm. I never have tried to see if they will
unlock from inside while in motion.

Harry K

On Aug 25, 11:52*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

Harry K

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:03:20 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:52:30 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

You can just turn it off? What kind of car?

Fords. The chimes still go off at first but you can turn of the constant
nagging. It's not easy but it's documented in the owner's manual.

On the 2000 Toyota, I had to find the key-in-the-lock connector, way
under the dash and up, and disconnect it. But at least it's not
still driving me insane;

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:07:34 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:28:38 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:24:32 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:45:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

Why? They unlock too. I don't find it a problem either way. If you
are in a bad area, locked doors can be a good thing.

I just don't want the doors locked. I can think of as many bad things
it can cause as I can things it fixes.


I don't like the auto-locking. My '97 Lumina locks all doors as soon
as you start it. The after-market alarm can be programmed otherwise,
but my wife drives it mostly, so my son set it up that way, and I
agree.
I don't like the "trapped" feel, but at least there's still a
mechanical unlock lever. The power windows bother me more when I
think about being underwater in the crate.

The power windows should work for a while, even under water. I don't
know how long a while is, or what it will be that stops them from
working. What would?

A shorted electrical system.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:51*am, micky wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:41:28 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:12*pm, micky wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:40:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 22 Aug 2012 17:09:35 GMT, Han wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
news

It gives of some RF signal I guess, for a short distance. *As for
brand, it comes with the car. *Many cars have them now and you push a
button to start.

Ed, is there a way to turn the engine off in an emergency? *Unlock the
doors? *I am thinking of some malfunction that makes the car refuse to
brake, as well as driving into a canal. *Do you have one of those emergency
hammers that will break the glass of the window like this

http://www.amazon.com/LifeHammer-Ori...rgency-Hammer-
Orange/dp/B000BN3A4Y?

The engine can be shut down by holding the dash start/stop button for
a couple of seconds. *Doors can be unlocked by just pulling on the
handle as you normally would and it is a mechanical connection.

On my lebaron the drivers door would open from inside even if locked.

On t he Toyota, the door has to be unlocked.

For the Toyota that sounds like a distinct safety hazard. *At least
the driver's door shouldb e openable.

Yes. * *I don't lock my doors when I drive, but a lot of people do.



Harry K

Both of my last new fords (2005 and 2001) automatically lock when the
car starts moving....hmmm. I never have tried to see if they will
unlock from inside while in motion.

Fronts usually do, rears are often selectable via a switch in the door jam.
It's a kiddie safety feature.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:57:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:37:46 -0400, "
wrote:




Both of my last new fords (2005 and 2001) automatically lock when the
car starts moving....hmmm. I never have tried to see if they will
unlock from inside while in motion.

Fronts usually do, rears are often selectable via a switch in the door jam.
It's a kiddie safety feature.


The trick to turn off the auto lock on Fords without the smart dash
is;

I was specifically referring to "unlock from inside while in motion" but this
is good information.

Insert your key into the ignition. Turn the key to "On."

Press the "Unlock" button on the door panel three times. Turn the key
to the "Off" position.

Press the "Unlock" button three times again.

Turn the key to the "On" position. Press the "Unlock" button one time.

Rear doors too? I'll try it on SWMBO's car tomorrow. Mine don't lock
automatically.

On Aug 25, 9:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Harry K

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 9:35*pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:34:35 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:03:20 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:52:30 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

You can just turn it off? What kind of car?

Fords. The chimes still go off at first but you can turn of the constant
nagging. It's not easy but it's documented in the owner's manual.

That's good. Nothing like that for the 2000 Toyota.

I still have 3 or 4 chimes and that's fine. It's the nagging,
especially when I wasn't even going anywhere

The 95 (and 88?) Lebaron had an obscure way to turn off the automatic
door locking and unlocking. Pretty sure not in the owners manaual or
shop manual, but on the yahoo list for Lebarons people knew about it
(I'll read ng's and mail lists, but I wont' subscribe to a web forum)

On the 2000 Toyota, I had to find the key-in-the-lock connector, way
under the dash and up, and disconnect it. But at least it's not
still driving me insane;

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:36:00 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:07:34 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:28:38 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:24:32 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:45:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

Why? They unlock too. I don't find it a problem either way. If you
are in a bad area, locked doors can be a good thing.

I just don't want the doors locked. I can think of as many bad things
it can cause as I can things it fixes.


I don't like the auto-locking. My '97 Lumina locks all doors as soon
as you start it. The after-market alarm can be programmed otherwise,
but my wife drives it mostly, so my son set it up that way, and I
agree.
I don't like the "trapped" feel, but at least there's still a
mechanical unlock lever. The power windows bother me more when I
think about being underwater in the crate.

The power windows should work for a while, even under water. I don't
know how long a while is, or what it will be that stops them from
working. What would?

A shorted electrical system.

Mere water, even river water, won't short the system like a copper
wire would . Salt water would work faster, but I don't know how
fast.

I've seen pictures of cars under water with their headlights still on
, and seen a standard non-waterproof flashlight with C batteries under
water. But he used it only a short time and then took it out of the
water.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:




I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Harry K

On a 60 Minutes type of show they had a mother on that lost one of her
kids. She was taking them across the street, two houses up and got
broadsided.

Putting on the belt has become a habit.

On 2012-08-26, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Putting on the belt has become a habit.

Likewise.

Usta never care. Then hadda minor accident. Slid on Winter ice into
a tree at a mere 7-8 mph. I hadda belt on and wasn't even bruised,
but my mom had taken hers off, it being so close to home and she being
"uncomfortable". Well, she cracked her kneecap, costing my insurance
$100K, and I coulda spent up to 18 mos in prison!! --I'm dead
serious!-- fer reckless endangerment, even though I was unaware she
had removed her belt. Now, that car does not move one silly
millimeter unless EVERYONE is buckled up to near choke-to-death tight.

nb

-- Definition of objectivism: "Eff you! I got mine."
http://www.nongmoproject.org/

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:26:01 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:34:35 -0400, "
wrote:

Fords. The chimes still go off at first but you can turn of the constant
nagging. It's not easy but it's documented in the owner's manual.

The edge we rented this summer had an interesting spin on this.
The chimes kept increasing in frequency and then it turned off the
radio.
I could not over ride it from the dash computer.

That would really **** me off. I know when I'm doing it and I'm doing it for
good reason. I wouldn't have a wife who nagged and a car is far cheaper to
get rid of.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:02:06 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:36:00 -0400, "
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:07:34 -0400, micky wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:28:38 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:24:32 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:45:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

Why? They unlock too. I don't find it a problem either way. If you
are in a bad area, locked doors can be a good thing.

I just don't want the doors locked. I can think of as many bad things
it can cause as I can things it fixes.


I don't like the auto-locking. My '97 Lumina locks all doors as soon
as you start it. The after-market alarm can be programmed otherwise,
but my wife drives it mostly, so my son set it up that way, and I
agree.
I don't like the "trapped" feel, but at least there's still a
mechanical unlock lever. The power windows bother me more when I
think about being underwater in the crate.

The power windows should work for a while, even under water. I don't
know how long a while is, or what it will be that stops them from
working. What would?

A shorted electrical system.

Mere water, even river water, won't short the system like a copper
wire would . Salt water would work faster, but I don't know how
fast.

You never know what the impact is going to do. Shorting a battery isn't
difficult.

I've seen pictures of cars under water with their headlights still on
, and seen a standard non-waterproof flashlight with C batteries under
water. But he used it only a short time and then took it out of the
water.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:




I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Harry K

On a 60 Minutes type of show they had a mother on that lost one of her
kids. She was taking them across the street, two houses up and got
broadsided.

Putting on the belt has become a habit.


true story; co-worker was driving up I-65 in Indiana after a snow,saw a
multi-car accident ahead,began slowing. He hit a patch of ice,spun 180,and
was heading towards the pileup backwards. He manages to get the
company car(stationwagon) stopped just before hitting the pile,turns back
forward,and another car smashes into his front end,he ends up hitting his
forehead on the windshield,hard enough to crack the windshield,giving him
headaches and a sore neck for awhile.

He wore his seatbelt after that,always.
that's when I began using it religiously,too.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Aug 26, 8:03*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 25, 9:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. *I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

Because I have enough brains to know what is good for me and mine.
Sorry about you.

Harry K

On Aug 26, 12:06*pm, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K

wrote:

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. *I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Harry K

On a 60 Minutes type of show they had a mother on that lost one of her
kids. *She was taking them across the street, two houses up and got
broadsided.

Putting on the belt has become a habit.

I bought a 1959 Volvo that had the 3-point. Got used to them and wore
belts ever since. Feel naked without them on. I was a county
Sheriff's office dispatcher for 15 years. Almost always a fatality
was a "belts not worn" case.

Harry K

On Aug 26, 3:36*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote :





On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. *I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Harry K

On a 60 Minutes type of show they had a mother on that lost one of her
kids. *She was taking them across the street, two houses up and got
broadsided.

Putting on the belt has become a habit.

true story; co-worker was driving up I-65 in Indiana after a snow,saw a
multi-car accident ahead,began slowing. He hit a patch of ice,spun 180,and
was heading towards the pileup backwards. He manages to get the
company car(stationwagon) stopped just before hitting the pile,turns back
forward,and another car smashes into his front end,he ends up hitting his
forehead on the windshield,hard enough to crack the windshield,giving him
headaches and a sore neck for awhile.

He wore his seatbelt after that,always.
that's when I began using it religiously,too.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

I had a fellow dispatcher who adamantly refused to wear them. Claimed
he had been in a bad accident and didn't die because he was thrown
clear. He died a few yeas after reitiring. Cause?
Auto accident not wearing a belt.

I often wonder how many peopl'es last thought was "I wish I had
buckled up".

Harry K

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:03*am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 25, 9:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. *I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

Because I have enough brains to know what is good for me and mine.
Sorry about you.

No, you've been cowed.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:32:57 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:




I had a fellow dispatcher who adamantly refused to wear them. Claimed
he had been in a bad accident and didn't die because he was thrown
clear. He died a few yeas after reitiring. Cause?
Auto accident not wearing a belt.

I often wonder how many peopl'es last thought was "I wish I had
buckled up".

Harry K

In the late 1960's I was broadsided by a tractor trailer. Belts were
only lap type and few cars had them. I walked away with a couple of
bruises. Glad I had it on.

On Aug 26, 9:03*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 26, 8:03 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 9:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

Because I have enough brains to know what is good for me and mine.
Sorry about you.

No, you've been cowed.

Sorry you don't care about yourself or your family (if you have one).
I was wearint
belts since 1959 when the weren't even an option in most makes.

Cowed? Hardly, Sensible? Yes. You? Stupid.

Harry K

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:32:57 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:




I had a fellow dispatcher who adamantly refused to wear them. Claimed
he had been in a bad accident and didn't die because he was thrown
clear. He died a few yeas after reitiring. Cause?
Auto accident not wearing a belt.

I often wonder how many peopl'es last thought was "I wish I had
buckled up".

Harry K

In the late 1960's I was broadsided by a tractor trailer. Belts were
only lap type and few cars had them. I walked away with a couple of
bruises. Glad I had it on.


I was front passenger in a DeSoto(dates me,doesn't it?) that got broadsided
by a 57 Cadillac limo,on MY side of the car,and there were no belts at that
time. I saw the car coming,moved over a foot away from the door. the Caddy
(with it's bullet-nosed bumper_crunched the car so bad the back seat
buckled towards the roof and would have really hurt anyone back there. My
door was right next to me after the crash,despite my moving over.The car
was a total loss. I might have gotten hurt if I had been belted in. But
that previous incident didn't change my view after the co-worker hit his
windshield.
I always use my seatbelt.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:22:49 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 26, 9:03*pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 26, 8:03 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 9:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

Because I have enough brains to know what is good for me and mine.
Sorry about you.

No, you've been cowed.

Sorry you don't care about yourself or your family (if you have one).
I was wearint
belts since 1959 when the weren't even an option in most makes.

Cowed? Hardly, Sensible? Yes. You? Stupid.

Hell, you can't even read, Harry! I never said I didn't wear them. what a
moron

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:55:04 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:



I was front passenger in a DeSoto(dates me,doesn't it?) that got broadsided


I knew two people that actually owned DeSotos. Both are long dead so
yes, it does date you.

My uncle had a maroon 1949. That was before style was invented.

On Aug 27, 10:58*am, "
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 06:22:49 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:





On Aug 26, 9:03 pm, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:28:01 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:03 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 9:35 pm, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:26 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:52 am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:44:35 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:32:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Last four or five cars I've had the door lock when you put the shift
lever in Drive.

We rent a lot of cars and that is the first setup option we turn off.

I turn off the infernal seat belt alarm on mine.

So do I but I do it by buckling up.

I do usually, but not to move the car across the parking lot.

I got a warning when I moved my truck 1 block in town without buckling
up. I'd rater takethe second or so and do rather than talk to the
nice officer.

Because you're cowed doesn't mean everyone is.

Because I have enough brains to know what is good for me and mine.
Sorry about you.

No, you've been cowed.

Sorry you don't care about yourself or your family (if you have one).
I was wearint
belts since 1959 when the weren't even an option in most makes.

Cowed? *Hardly, Sensible? Yes. *You? *Stupid.

Hell, you can't even read, Harry! *I never said I didn't wear them. *what a
moron

What a moron you are. You keep claiming I am "cowed" how do you
explain me wearing them years before there was any law requiring it?

Of course I recognized you and your trolling several replies ago, just
kept stringing you along and yes I re
I relized you never said you didn't wear them. I also note that you
haven't said you do war them.

IOW you are too cowardly to be honest.

Harry K

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:55:04 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:



I was front passenger in a DeSoto(dates me,doesn't it?) that got
broadsided


I knew two people that actually owned DeSotos. Both are long dead so
yes, it does date you.

My uncle had a maroon 1949. That was before style was invented.


according to Wiki,DeSotos were sold up to 1961.
IIRC,the one I was in was a 1959 model(used),and the owner was my HS
friend's dad.

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Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
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dot com

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 16:26:01 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:34:35 -0400, "
wrote:

Fords. The chimes still go off at first but you can turn of the constant
nagging. It's not easy but it's documented in the owner's manual.

The edge we rented this summer had an interesting spin on this.
The chimes kept increasing in frequency and then it turned off the
radio.
I could not over ride it from the dash computer.

My '84 Lebaron would say things like, "Your door is open" or "Your
windsheld wiper fluid is low" and turn off the radio sound while it
was saying them. This would have been an incentive to fill my
windshield washer fluid, but then it would say "All monitored systerms
are functioning properly." Even if I went from Accessory to starting
the car. Give me a break.

When I found the box, there was a swtich on it, to turn it off
completely.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:03:31 -0400, micky
wrote:




My '84 Lebaron would say things like, "Your door is open" or "Your
windsheld wiper fluid is low" and turn off the radio sound while it
was saying them. This would have been an incentive to fill my
windshield washer fluid, but then it would say "All monitored systerms
are functioning properly." Even if I went from Accessory to starting
the car. Give me a break.

When I found the box, there was a swtich on it, to turn it off
completely.

In 1984 that was amazing technology. It was probably rather nifty to
listen to for the first two days. Then it would be annoying.

Now, I have conversations with my car. I can do a lot of phone,
radio, navigation functions with voice commands. As I give a command,
it asks me for the next step if there is one.