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Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

WorldNetDaily



HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

(Story continues below)

WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth
certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of
the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed
was designed to prevent identity theft.

Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for
withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the
source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the
original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing
to Obama.

Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.

The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original
document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-
generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have
been filed subsequent to the birth.

The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would
immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama
requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has
received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting
officially on his behalf.

WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a
notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the
Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for
1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two
weeks after the date of birth listed.

The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where
the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly
alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital
in Mombasa, Kenya.

Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton
appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney
Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born"
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the
specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.

Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth
certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.

In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents
concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential
election on November 4.

The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state
of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the
original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama
reportedly was born.

"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in
the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of
America."

Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the
challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth
certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website
offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make
public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the
Hawaii Department of Health may possess.



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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.



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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.



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Hey asshole......

Tell me where you see the word "politics" in "alt.home.repair"
You dont, do you?

Now take your ****ing political spam to an appropriate newsgroup.

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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


So what are all you dumbcraps afraid of? All Odamarx would have to do
is produce a certified copy of his birth certificate but he refuses.


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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

WorldNetDaily

snip
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.

Sounds like someone is plugging a book. You getting paid per copy sold?
Obamas birth certificate has been proven a true and original document by the
highest sources but the losing Repubs won't stop at anything to create doubt
and fear. A bunch of LOSERS


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Any mention of his father judging from his TV ads.
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Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi



Perhaps he lied about his age or he's actually
an alien from outer space. I sort of believe
the later.

TDD
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Hey asshole......

Tell me where you see the word "politics" in "alt.home.repair"
You dont, do you?

Now take your ****ing political spam to an appropriate newsgroup.

PLONK


I see it written right on your stupid ****ing forehead. Nobody forced
you to open and read the post and only a real dumbass would do so and
then bitch about it. So go plonk your ass.

Animal abuse is illegal. Why would anyone abuse a
small equine?

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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


Since the guy who started the court case trying to get Mr. Obama
removed from the ballot because of the alleged problems with the birth
certificate is "a life long Democrat who has always been proud of his
party", one can only hope you are right about the losing wackos.

(Hit the Philip Berg link off of the Snopes page and get down to the
third pleading).


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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.

Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

While you're there, read their review of Corsi's book
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...l_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

-- and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...president.html

Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.

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wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. * If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of *real journalists who already viewed the certificate.

Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck..org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck..org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

-- * and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...

Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.

Jim


Apparently you are talking about two different things. The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about.

One can only wonder what the big secret really is. If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.


This is really the height of idiocy on both sides.
US Code says "[a]ny child hereafter born out of the limits and
jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the
time of the birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is
declared to be a citizen of the United States." Act of May 24, 1934,
Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

Father **OR** mother, in the case of Senator Obama, *AND* in the
case of McCain.
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What is he not hiding, from medical records to college thesis,
everything is under wraps. Old timers would call this buying a pig in a
poke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_in_a_poke
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

WorldNetDaily

snip
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.

Sounds like someone is plugging a book. You getting paid per copy sold?
Obamas birth certificate has been proven a true and original document by the
highest sources but the losing Repubs won't stop at anything to create doubt
and fear. A bunch of LOSERS


highest sources? hahaha, time for more obammy coolaide, insanity.


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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR

wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

-snip-

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.

Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.

Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

-- and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...

Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.

Jim


Apparently you are talking about two different things. The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about.

One can only wonder what the big secret really is. If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?

probably lists him as a Muslim.
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

WorldNetDaily

snip
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.

* * *Sounds like someone is plugging a book. You getting paid per copy sold?
Obamas birth certificate has been proven a true and original document by the
highest sources but the losing Repubs won't stop at anything to create doubt
and fear. A bunch of LOSERS


Name those sources!
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This is really the height of idiocy on both sides.
US Code says "[a]ny child hereafter born out of the limits and
jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the
time of the birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is
declared to be a citizen of the United States." Act of May 24, 1934,
Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

Father **OR** mother, in the case of Senator Obama, *AND* in the
case of McCain.


Don't be posting law or facts, some people get confused. They would rather
make an issue, out of a non-issue!!

You're spoiling their fun!



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On Oct 30, 7:57*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR


wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-


"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. * If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of *real journalists who already viewed the certificate.


Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."


-- * and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...


Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.


Jim


Apparently you are talking about two different things. * The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about.


One can only wonder what the big secret really is. * If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? * And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. *What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?


Yeah. Could you please post your social security number and complete
health records here while you're at it?

Thanks.- Hide quoted text -

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I will when I start running for President but until then they are none
of your damn business. If you can't understand the difference, it
would be a big waste of time to try and explain it to you.
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Uh, no. No independent expert has had access to the original document. Two
different scanned replications have appeared on the web.

Personally, I think Obama is probably a U.S. Citizen. If there was something
squirrely about his birth certificate, someone from the Hawaii vital
statistics office would have leaked the incriminating evidence by now. You
just can keep secrets in government service.




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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


So what are all you dumbcraps afraid of? *All Odamarx would have to do
is produce a certified copy of his birth certificate but he refuses.


(1) The difference between the liberals and conservatives is that the
majority of conservatives - from the biased pundits of conservative
radio and the Fox Propaganda Channel to Joe the Plumber - can produce
only insults and demeaning comments rather than constructive criticism
of a liberal's positions. I cite as example #1 this poster who cannot
call a respected US Senator by his name but must use an insulting
portmanteau, and calls anyone who disagrees with him a "dumbcrap".

(2) This argument is classic idiocy. The idea is that truth is
whatever is shouted loudest and longest; it doesn't matter how many
times the actual truth is stated. In this case, the fringe keeps
shouting about how Senator Obama "refuses" to produce a certified
birth certificate and if they say it then it must be true, regardless
of the truth that Senator Obama HAS produced a state-issued
certificate from the state of Hawaii.

(3) Those who make these sorts of arguments, those who continually
insist on using Senator Obama's middle name as though it's an
indicator of his allegiance - again, I refer you to the Fox Propaganda
Channel, where they insist on referring to Senator Obama as "BHO" in
their on-screen graphics [http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/21/
fox_news_refers_to_obama_as_bho.php] or refer to Michelle Obama as the
Senator's "baby mama" [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/
3097/2572325659_8131d453b3.jpg?v=0] - those who continue to forward
emails that are blatant lies making outrageous claims of Obama's faith
or heritage...they are racists.

If this were Barry O'Bama from County Cork, Ireland, not a single one
of the fringe Right would be beating this as hard as they are with a
man whose name isn't "American"-sounding enough. How many people know
Senator McCain's middle name, and why don't they use it? I'll tell you
why: the people who have a problem with Barack Obama are one bedsheet
short of a KKK rally.

They are no better than the fearmongering, hate-filled Islamic
fundamentalists they so often claim are the greatest threat to this
nation. I cite as exhibit #3 the recent letter sent to 75,000
registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania who are Jewish, where
the Republican State committee warned that an Obama presidency would
bring a "second Holocaust". (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
2008/10/adl-condemns-ug.html)

It is sad that the Grand Old Party has sunk to these sorts of moral
and ethical depths. It is even sadder how many otherwise good
Americans have not only accepted this as a way of life, but endorse
it, encourage it, and participate in it.

To quote one of Senator Obama's and Senator McCain's favorite writers,
"Fight the _good_ fight..."
(that's the apostle Paul, by the way)
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.


If others have "already viewed the certificate",then why SEAL it now?
(and right after Obama's visit to Hawaii...to see his dying
grandmother...minus his family.)



This is really the height of idiocy on both sides.
US Code says "[a]ny child hereafter born out of the limits and
jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the
time of the birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is
declared to be a citizen of the United States." Act of May 24, 1934,
Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

Father **OR** mother, in the case of Senator Obama, *AND* in the
case of McCain.


there's some question of Obama's mother's citizenship,marrying an
Indonesian while Obama was a minor child,making him an Indonesian citizen.

Obama's Indonesian school records indicate he was an Indonesian citizen.

Then there's Obama's Kenyan(paternal) grandma saying Obama was born in a
Kenyan hospital.

Obama's own website "Fight the Smears" admits Obama held "dual-citizenship"
as a "Kenyan-American".]


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On Oct 30, 8:58 am, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:57 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.
Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.
Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."
-- and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...
Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.
Jim
Apparently you are talking about two different things. The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about.
One can only wonder what the big secret really is. If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?
Yeah. Could you please post your social security number and complete
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I will when I start running for President but until then they are none
of your damn business. If you can't understand the difference, it
would be a big waste of time to try and explain it to you.


In other words, you can't explain it.

I will give it a try because there is nothing to explain. A birth
certificate is public record. If you wanted mine you could send a couple
bucks to our states bureau of vital statistics and get it. Back then the
government didn't issue SSNs at birth so that is not even a concern. I
don't understand why they need to protect Obamas birth certificate. If
there isn't an issue they are making it one because if it showed he was
a citizen it would be a slam dunk for Obama if he released it.
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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


Why won't Obama produce a birth certificate and other information to prove
he is eligible to hold ANY federal office, per the Constitution? If he has
nothing to hide he would be forthcoming with this information. But he is a
democrat and democrats are exempt from the law.
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bucks to our states bureau of vital statistics and get it. Back then the
government didn't issue SSNs at birth so that is not even a concern.


They still don't. The parent has to apply to get an SSN, it isn't
issued at birth. If one does not want to take the kid as a dependent on
income taxes, there is no need to get the SSN before the kid goes to
work.

I know, I'm being nitpicky, but there you are (grin).


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bucks to our states bureau of vital statistics and get it. Back then the
government didn't issue SSNs at birth so that is not even a concern.


They still don't. The parent has to apply to get an SSN, it isn't
issued at birth. If one does not want to take the kid as a dependent on
income taxes, there is no need to get the SSN before the kid goes to
work.

I know, I'm being nitpicky, but there you are (grin).


Don't know whose requirement it is but my SIL works at the local
hospital in whatever trendy name they call the birthing department and
she was upset a couple years ago when they were required by the
"government" to get SSNs for newborns. The parent doesn't have a choice
in the matter.
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wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:

On Oct 30, 8:58 am, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:57 am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.
Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.
Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."
-- and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...
Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.
Jim
Apparently you are talking about two different things. The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about.
One can only wonder what the big secret really is. If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?
Yeah. Could you please post your social security number and complete
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I will when I start running for President but until then they are none
of your damn business. If you can't understand the difference, it
would be a big waste of time to try and explain it to you.
In other words, you can't explain it.

I will give it a try because there is nothing to explain. A birth
certificate is public record. If you wanted mine you could send a couple
bucks to our states bureau of vital statistics and get it. Back then the
government didn't issue SSNs at birth so that is not even a concern. I
don't understand why they need to protect Obamas birth certificate. If
there isn't an issue they are making it one because if it showed he was
a citizen it would be a slam dunk for Obama if he released it.


It's a slam dunk that he's eligible to be president, even without it.

My guess is that it was sealed mainly to prevent the state from being
inundated with thousands of unnecessary requests for it.


So it sounds like they missed out on a nice revenue stream by likely
illegally sealing a public record.

I'm still waiting for proof that McCain is not the father of Bristol
Palin's baby. Why is he hiding that?

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I know, I'm being nitpicky, but there you are (grin).


Don't know whose requirement it is but my SIL works at the local
hospital in whatever trendy name they call the birthing department and
she was upset a couple years ago when they were required by the
"government" to get SSNs for newborns. The parent doesn't have a choice
in the matter.


Sounds like attorneys getting involved and mucking things up. The
Social Security Administration says it is voluntary unless they want to
take the kid as dependent, open financial accounts, or apply for
government aid.
Must my child have a Social Security number?
No. Getting a Social Security number for your newborn is voluntary. But, it
is a good idea to get a number when your child is born. You can apply for a
Social Security number for your baby when you apply for your babyıs birth
certificate. The state agency that issues birth certificates will share your
childıs information with us and we will mail the Social Security card to you.
If you wait to apply at a Social Security office, you must show us proof of
your childıs U.S. citizenship, age and identity, as well as proof of your own
identity. We must verify your childıs birth record, which can add up to 12
weeks to the time it takes to issue a card. To verify a birth certificate,
Social Security will contact the office that issued it. We do this
verification to prevent people from using fraudulent birth records to obtain
Social Security numbers to establish false identities.



http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10023.html
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I'll bet he's an Obama supporter. If Obama gets in, look for legislation
to outlaw OT subjects and cross posting. Execution by firing squad will
be the most likely punishment. Top posters will be thrown from high
buildings.

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And people who don't snip for relevance will be tortured first instead of
just being thrown from high buildings. :-)

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On Oct 30, 9:42*am, Kyle wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:24*am, BobR wrote:

On Oct 29, 10:09*pm, "Bob F" wrote:


The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


So what are all you dumbcraps afraid of? *All Odamarx would have to do
is produce a certified copy of his birth certificate but he refuses.


(1) The difference between the liberals and conservatives is that the
majority of conservatives - from the biased pundits of conservative
radio and the Fox Propaganda Channel to Joe the Plumber - can produce
only insults and demeaning comments rather than constructive criticism
of a liberal's positions. I cite as example #1 this poster who cannot
call a respected US Senator by his name but must use an insulting
portmanteau, and calls anyone who disagrees with him a "dumbcrap".

(2) This argument is classic idiocy. The idea is that truth is
whatever is shouted loudest and longest; it doesn't matter how many
times the actual truth is stated. In this case, the fringe keeps
shouting about how Senator Obama "refuses" to produce a certified
birth certificate and if they say it then it must be true, regardless
of the truth that Senator Obama HAS produced a state-issued
certificate from the state of Hawaii.

(3) Those who make these sorts of arguments, those who continually
insist on using Senator Obama's middle name as though it's an
indicator of his allegiance - again, I refer you to the Fox Propaganda
Channel, where they insist on referring to Senator Obama as "BHO" in
their on-screen graphics [http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/21/
fox_news_refers_to_obama_as_bho.php] or refer to Michelle Obama as the
Senator's "baby mama" [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/
3097/2572325659_8131d453b3.jpg?v=0] - those who continue to forward
emails that are blatant lies making outrageous claims of Obama's faith
or heritage...they are racists.

If this were Barry O'Bama from County Cork, Ireland, not a single one
of the fringe Right would be beating this as hard as they are with a
man whose name isn't "American"-sounding enough. How many people know
Senator McCain's middle name, and why don't they use it? I'll tell you
why: the people who have a problem with Barack Obama are one bedsheet
short of a KKK rally.

They are no better than the fearmongering, hate-filled Islamic
fundamentalists they so often claim are the greatest threat to this
nation. I cite as exhibit #3 the recent letter sent to 75,000
registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania who are Jewish, where
the Republican State committee warned that an Obama presidency would
bring a "second Holocaust". (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
2008/10/adl-condemns-ug.html)

It is sad that the Grand Old Party has sunk to these sorts of moral
and ethical depths. It is even sadder how many otherwise good
Americans have not only accepted this as a way of life, but endorse
it, encourage it, and participate in it.

To quote one of Senator Obama's and Senator McCain's favorite writers,
"Fight the _good_ fight..."
(that's the apostle Paul, by the way)


And you either ignore or pretend the exact same things are not being
done by the liberal democrats in reference to McCain and Palin. Give
me a break. LMAO
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wrote:
On Oct 30, 8:58*am, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:27:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 30, 7:57*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR


wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


-snip-


"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Good for them. * If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of *real journalists who already viewed the certificate.


Factcheck.org is an equal opportunity skewer for one-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


While you're there, read their review of Corsi's bookhttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/corsis_dull_hatchet.html
[and I challenge you to find any reputable source that disagrees with
it "Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported
conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."


-- * and the article on John Mccain's citizenship. [a concern real
enough that the senate passed a non-binding resolution saying that
although McCain wasn't born in the US, it didn't matter]http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_...


Sorry for the political post- but Corsi just makes me wanna puke.


Jim


Apparently you are talking about two different things. * The OP
alleged that it's the ORIGINAL hospital birth certificate that's in
question, not the HI state copy stamped June 2007 and reproduced at
the request of Obama for the campaign that Factcheck is talking about..


One can only wonder what the big secret really is. * If he was in fact
born in a hospital in HI, then why not just issue a release to HI
state officials for ANY and ALL records related to his birth
certificate? * And if it's true that the HI governor did issue a
special order directing that such info not be released, I for one
agree that it raises much suspicion. *What's the big deal with being
open about your birth certificate?


Yeah. Could you please post your social security number and complete
health records here while you're at it?


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I will when I start running for President but until then they are none
of your damn business. *If you can't understand the difference, it
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NO, no other words, you are too stupid to understand.
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Bob F wrote:

The losing wackos are really getting desperate.



Amen.


Those Democrats ARE getting pretty pitiful, aren't they?

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Hey asshole......

Tell me where you see the word "politics" in "alt.home.repair"
You dont, do you?

Now take your ****ing political spam to an appropriate newsgroup.

PLONK


I see it written right on your stupid ****ing forehead. Nobody forced
you to open and read the post and only a real dumbass would do so and
then bitch about it. So go plonk your ass.


I'll bet he's an Obama supporter. If Obama gets in, look for legislation to
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most likely punishment. Top posters will be thrown from high buildings.

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi

WorldNetDaily

snip
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.

Sounds like someone is plugging a book. You getting paid per copy sold?
Obamas birth certificate has been proven a true and original document by
the
highest sources but the losing Repubs won't stop at anything to create
doubt
and fear. A bunch of LOSERS


Name those sources!


Purple lips himself?

Steve




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Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
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In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document

-snip-
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.

Good for them. If Corsi could read he could have accessed any number
of real journalists who already viewed the certificate.


If others have "already viewed the certificate",then why SEAL it now?
(and right after Obama's visit to Hawaii...to see his dying
grandmother...minus his family.)



This is really the height of idiocy on both sides.
US Code says "[a]ny child hereafter born out of the limits and
jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the
time of the birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is
declared to be a citizen of the United States." Act of May 24, 1934,
Pub. L. No. 73-250, 48 Stat. 797.

Father **OR** mother, in the case of Senator Obama, *AND* in the
case of McCain.


there's some question of Obama's mother's citizenship,marrying an
Indonesian while Obama was a minor child,making him an Indonesian citizen.

Obama's Indonesian school records indicate he was an Indonesian citizen.

Then there's Obama's Kenyan(paternal) grandma saying Obama was born in a
Kenyan hospital.

Obama's own website "Fight the Smears" admits Obama held "dual-citizenship"
as a "Kenyan-American".]


And you acually admit that you believe all this garbage.

Why was his birth announced in the Honolulu Advertiser 8/13/61, page B6?

The lies the right wingers believe constantly amaze me.



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Bob F wrote:

The losing wackos are really getting desperate.



Amen.


Those Democrats ARE getting pretty pitiful, aren't they?


LOL!. Pity the way they are going to whomp the Republicans. Hope you enjoy it.


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On Oct 29, 10:09 pm, "Bob F" wrote:

The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


So what are all you dumbcraps afraid of? All Odamarx would have to do
is produce a certified copy of his birth certificate but he refuses.


(1) The difference between the liberals and conservatives is that the
majority of conservatives - from the biased pundits of conservative
radio and the Fox Propaganda Channel to Joe the Plumber - can produce
only insults and demeaning comments rather than constructive criticism
of a liberal's positions. I cite as example #1 this poster who cannot
call a respected US Senator by his name but must use an insulting
portmanteau, and calls anyone who disagrees with him a "dumbcrap".

(2) This argument is classic idiocy. The idea is that truth is
whatever is shouted loudest and longest; it doesn't matter how many
times the actual truth is stated. In this case, the fringe keeps
shouting about how Senator Obama "refuses" to produce a certified
birth certificate and if they say it then it must be true, regardless
of the truth that Senator Obama HAS produced a state-issued
certificate from the state of Hawaii.

(3) Those who make these sorts of arguments, those who continually
insist on using Senator Obama's middle name as though it's an
indicator of his allegiance - again, I refer you to the Fox Propaganda
Channel, where they insist on referring to Senator Obama as "BHO" in
their on-screen graphics [http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/21/
fox_news_refers_to_obama_as_bho.php] or refer to Michelle Obama as the
Senator's "baby mama" [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/
3097/2572325659_8131d453b3.jpg?v=0] - those who continue to forward
emails that are blatant lies making outrageous claims of Obama's faith
or heritage...they are racists.

If this were Barry O'Bama from County Cork, Ireland, not a single one
of the fringe Right would be beating this as hard as they are with a
man whose name isn't "American"-sounding enough. How many people know
Senator McCain's middle name, and why don't they use it? I'll tell you
why: the people who have a problem with Barack Obama are one bedsheet
short of a KKK rally.

They are no better than the fearmongering, hate-filled Islamic
fundamentalists they so often claim are the greatest threat to this
nation. I cite as exhibit #3 the recent letter sent to 75,000
registered voters in the state of Pennsylvania who are Jewish, where
the Republican State committee warned that an Obama presidency would
bring a "second Holocaust". (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
2008/10/adl-condemns-ug.html)

It is sad that the Grand Old Party has sunk to these sorts of moral
and ethical depths. It is even sadder how many otherwise good
Americans have not only accepted this as a way of life, but endorse
it, encourage it, and participate in it.

To quote one of Senator Obama's and Senator McCain's favorite writers,
"Fight the _good_ fight..."
(that's the apostle Paul, by the way)

************************************************** *********88

Very well said.

There was one moment, when he told the woman that Obama was NOT an Arab, that
McCain displayed a moment of honor in his campaign. Otherwise, it has been
despicable. Nothing but negative, from the man that made it very clear that he
did not approve of negative advertising.

He has sold out on everything he used to claim he believed.



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The losing wackos are really getting desperate.


Since the guy who started the court case trying to get Mr. Obama
removed from the ballot because of the alleged problems with the birth
certificate is "a life long Democrat who has always been proud of his
party", one can only hope you are right about the losing wackos.

(Hit the Philip Berg link off of the Snopes page and get down to the
third pleading).


you mean the "case dissmissed" part?


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Hey asshole......

Tell me where you see the word "politics" in "alt.home.repair"
You dont, do you?

Now take your ****ing political spam to an appropriate newsgroup.

PLONK


I see it written right on your stupid ****ing forehead. Nobody forced
you to open and read the post and only a real dumbass would do so and
then bitch about it. So go plonk your ass.


I'll bet he's an Obama supporter. If Obama gets in, look for legislation to
outlaw OT subjects and cross posting. Execution by firing squad will be the
most likely punishment. Top posters will be thrown from high buildings.


Right wing wackos always know exactly what will happen when Obama gets elected.

And right wing wackos believe them.


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