On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, "PE" wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sun 16 Jan 2011 11:32:32p, told us...

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800,
wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently
developed a problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being
turned on, the picture bows inward on the left and right sides.
Then, after a few more minutes, the picture resolves and returns
to normal and remains perfect for the remaining time the tv is on.
If the symptom described above means the crt is wearing out, so
be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm wondering
whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom
described above. Am basically novice, but handy and with
soldering skills, and have done a few simple tv repairs in the
past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

Jack



I haven't seen a tube tester in a drugstore or hardware store in
years, nor have I seen a television made in the last 15 years that
had more than a picture tube. The remaining circuitry was solid
state.

Hi,
We are talking about tube set? Whoa!
I have a tube tester real professional one.
I use it very often working/repairing guitar amps.

?
wrote

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack


A flashback to 1963, brought to you by Jack. Thanks for the chuckle.

On Jan 17, 12:32*am, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, "PE" wrote:
Hi all: *My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. *Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. *If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. *However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. *Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. *Thanks for your replies!

Probably a tube is getting weak. *Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. *Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. *Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack

The only tube he will find is the CRT (at that age TV). Another
comment about degaussing, that is an AC coil that would cause it to be
jittery not stable. I agree with a bad capacitor (electolytic).

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:32:32 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, "PE" wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack
At 15 years old the chances of having a single tube other than the CRT
are exceedingly slim.

On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak.

Probably not. Probably a Capacitor. Not expecting that to get fixed, but
it is doable.

Jeff

On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack

I doubt a 15 year old TV has any tubes other than the CRT.

On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800, wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently developed a
problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being turned on, the picture
bows inward on the left and right sides. Then, after a few more minutes,
the picture resolves and returns to normal and remains perfect for the
remaining time the tv is on. If the symptom described above means the crt
is wearing out, so be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm
wondering whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom described
above. Am basically novice, but handy and with soldering skills, and have
done a few simple tv repairs in the past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the tubes
for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the same
socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local drugstore or
hardware store and test them in their tube tester. Replace any bad
ones and you should have a good working tv for several more years.

Jack


I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain? I remember them well from my
youth, and even used them a few times- 40 years ago. A 1995 Toshiba
isn't gonna have any tubes anyway, other than the one big one.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is to
cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.) and
check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most of
those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and you can
light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here have a good
stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I don't
know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy

aemeijers wrote:

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

Do you even have to ask that question? It was a joke, or a troll; chuckle,
ignore, and move on.

Jon

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I don't
know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I
don't know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about
replacing a working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to
junk my old tv to boot.

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.

nancy

On 1/17/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I don't
know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

I'd at least try leaving it out for the curb fairies, or list it on
FreeCycle or Craig's list for free, before I did that. I feel guilty
burying running hardware. If not running, most areas that are urbanized
at all, have an annual electronics recycle day.

--
aem sends...

On Jan 17, 2:27*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:





On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
*wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. *Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. *Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. *I don't
know what else to do with it. *I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. *I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. *I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

I'd at least try leaving it out for the curb fairies, or list it on
FreeCycle or Craig's list for free, before I did that. I feel guilty
burying running hardware. If not running, most areas that are urbanized
at all, have an annual electronics recycle day.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone has forgotten my original suggestion, loosen the back so the
set runs cooler and see what happens. Also, if it is a bad capacitor,
the problem would not appear, and then disappear somewhat later, but
would be continually bad. It could be a cold solder joint, that opens
upon a little heating, and then recloses after further heating.
That's why I suggested opening the back and see what happens. It is
easy for a non-electronics person to do and gives a lot of
information!!!!

wrote:
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Put it on the curb with a largish note: "WORKS!"

The Urban Fairies (or Underpants Gnomes) will disappear it.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:38:30 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Jan 17, 2:27Â*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:





On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
Â*wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Â*Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Â*Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. Â*I don't
know what else to do with it. Â*I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. Â*I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. Â*I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

I'd at least try leaving it out for the curb fairies, or list it on
FreeCycle or Craig's list for free, before I did that. I feel guilty
burying running hardware. If not running, most areas that are urbanized
at all, have an annual electronics recycle day.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone has forgotten my original suggestion, loosen the back so the
set runs cooler and see what happens. Also, if it is a bad capacitor,
the problem would not appear, and then disappear somewhat later, but
would be continually bad. It could be a cold solder joint, that opens
upon a little heating, and then recloses after further heating.
That's why I suggested opening the back and see what happens. It is
easy for a non-electronics person to do and gives a lot of
information!!!!
I've had monitors with very obviously bad (swelled) caps work
intermittently for a long time before they quit for good. Motherboards
too.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:59:54 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

wrote:
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Put it on the curb with a largish note: "WORKS!"

The Urban Fairies (or Underpants Gnomes) will disappear it.

Either that or the little buggers will smash it and you are left
picking up peices. A few brats in the neighbourhood would tie any
computer monitor or small TV left at the curb behind their bicycles
and drag them around the block a few times till there was not much
left.

On 1/17/2011 3:38 PM, hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 17, 2:27 pm, wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:





On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I don't
know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

I'd at least try leaving it out for the curb fairies, or list it on
FreeCycle or Craig's list for free, before I did that. I feel guilty
burying running hardware. If not running, most areas that are urbanized
at all, have an annual electronics recycle day.

--
aem sends...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone has forgotten my original suggestion, loosen the back so the
set runs cooler and see what happens. Also, if it is a bad capacitor,
the problem would not appear, and then disappear somewhat later, but
would be continually bad. It could be a cold solder joint, that opens
upon a little heating, and then recloses after further heating.
That's why I suggested opening the back and see what happens. It is
easy for a non-electronics person to do and gives a lot of
information!!!!

You are incorrect about the capacitor. I've seen it happen over and
over for 30+ years now.

"Nancy Young" wrote in
:

wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I
don't know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about
replacing a working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to
junk my old tv to boot.

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.

nancy


there should be a manufacturing date on the back of the set.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Nancy Young" wrote

wrote:

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.

there should be a manufacturing date on the back of the set.

Huh, I thought I had it for longer than this, it's 2004. Sony Wega.
I wish I could email it to one of you who'd appreciate it. It just
takes up so much room and was in the way where I had it.

Takes me back to when even my home computer monitor took
up half my desk. I don't miss that.

nancy

On 1/17/2011 6:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
"Nancy Young" wrote

wrote:

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.

there should be a manufacturing date on the back of the set.

Huh, I thought I had it for longer than this, it's 2004. Sony Wega.
I wish I could email it to one of you who'd appreciate it. It just
takes up so much room and was in the way where I had it.
Takes me back to when even my home computer monitor took
up half my desk. I don't miss that.

nancy

Sony Wega has a pretty good rep, even now. Put it on CL, somebody may
give 50 bucks for it. The one across the room from me is one of those in
27" size, also 2004 dated. I bought it used off CL 18? months ago for
100 bucks (a good price at the time), because I wanted to move my old
narrower 27" Trinitron to the other living room, to fill up a hole in
the entertainment center. The old one is 1999 or so, purchased new for
~$400. They both work perfectly. By the time these crap out, hopefully
flat screens will be down to a price I can tolerate. I'm pretty sure
flat screens don't last long enough for any of them to show up on used
market in good condition at any significant discount from new prices.

As to computer monitors- my 2 regular-use monitors are Dell-branded 19"
Trinitrons that date from 2000, purchased used at a state auction around
2004 for ~$40 each. They also work perfectly, dammit, after years of
heavy use. Every time I go to Sam's I drool my way through the aisle of
Samsung flat-screens at ever-lower prices, but until these die....

(Life at the trailing edge is one of the downsides of being a cheap SOB.)
--
aem sends...

On 1/17/2011 2:31 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I
don't know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about
replacing a working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to
junk my old tv to boot.

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.
nancy

This seems extreme. If I remember correctly, your original post
indicated that the problem only lasts about 15 min and then
spontaneously disappears. Why trash the set when after 15 min it
behaves normally?

On 1/17/2011 9:24 PM, Peter wrote:
On 1/17/2011 2:31 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I
don't know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about
replacing a working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to
junk my old tv to boot.

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.
nancy

This seems extreme. If I remember correctly, your original post
indicated that the problem only lasts about 15 min and then
spontaneously disappears. Why trash the set when after 15 min it behaves
normally?

Uh, she wasn't the OP, she was just chiming in.

--
aem sends...

On 1/17/2011 4:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:59:54 -0600,
wrote:

wrote:
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Put it on the curb with a largish note: "WORKS!"

The Urban Fairies (or Underpants Gnomes) will disappear it.

Either that or the little buggers will smash it and you are left
picking up peices. A few brats in the neighbourhood would tie any
computer monitor or small TV left at the curb behind their bicycles
and drag them around the block a few times till there was not much
left.

Sorry, I didn't know I was in your neighborhood. I think I'm the only
49 year old still doing that stuff. ;-)

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 6:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

Huh, I thought I had it for longer than this, it's 2004. Sony Wega.
I wish I could email it to one of you who'd appreciate it. It just
takes up so much room and was in the way where I had it.
Takes me back to when even my home computer monitor took
up half my desk. I don't miss that.

Sony Wega has a pretty good rep, even now. Put it on CL, somebody may
give 50 bucks for it. The one across the room from me is one of those
in 27" size, also 2004 dated.

Same one! Only thing I didn't like about it (except it's the size of
an oven) was that it was silver(ish).

I bought it used off CL 18? months ago
for 100 bucks (a good price at the time), because I wanted to move my
old narrower 27" Trinitron to the other living room, to fill up a
hole in the entertainment center. The old one is 1999 or so,
purchased new for ~$400. They both work perfectly. By the time these
crap out, hopefully flat screens will be down to a price I can
tolerate. I'm pretty sure flat screens don't last long enough for any
of them to show up on used market in good condition at any
significant discount from new prices.

Should be interesting. Maybe when the snow disappears, if it
ever does, I'll put a free sign on the old tv at the curb. I've had good
luck with that in the past.

As to computer monitors- my 2 regular-use monitors are Dell-branded
19" Trinitrons that date from 2000, purchased used at a state auction
around 2004 for ~$40 each. They also work perfectly, dammit, after
years of heavy use. Every time I go to Sam's I drool my way through
the aisle of Samsung flat-screens at ever-lower prices, but until
these die....

(Life at the trailing edge is one of the downsides of being a cheap
SOB.)

Are you that one guy still buying film for your camera?? (laugh)
I'm the last person to convert to new technology because hey,
the old one works fine. The upside is by that time whatever it is
has come way down in price and they have worked out a lot of
the bugs.

nancy

On 1/17/2011 7:51 PM, aemeijers wrote:

As to computer monitors- my 2 regular-use monitors are Dell-branded 19"
Trinitrons that date from 2000, purchased used at a state auction around
2004 for ~$40 each. They also work perfectly, dammit, after years of
heavy use. Every time I go to Sam's I drool my way through the aisle of
Samsung flat-screens at ever-lower prices, but until these die....

(Life at the trailing edge is one of the downsides of being a cheap SOB.)


I have the same 19" Dell Trinitron. Got lucky at a Salvation Army store
about 9 or 10 years ago, I think the price was $17. ... the same as all
the 14" ones! I grabbed it fast! I know the feeling of looking at the
big flat screens. When will this monitor die? When I get a flat screen
I'll be able to move my desk 7" back against the wall. I almost cut a
hole in the wall behind this thing a couple times, but then to make it
worth it, I'd have to cut a hole in my bedroom wall also.

Tony Miklos wrote:
On 1/17/2011 7:51 PM, aemeijers wrote:

As to computer monitors- my 2 regular-use monitors are Dell-branded 19"
Trinitrons that date from 2000, purchased used at a state auction around
2004 for ~$40 each. They also work perfectly, dammit, after years of
heavy use. Every time I go to Sam's I drool my way through the aisle of
Samsung flat-screens at ever-lower prices, but until these die....

(Life at the trailing edge is one of the downsides of being a cheap SOB.)


I have the same 19" Dell Trinitron. Got lucky at a Salvation Army store
about 9 or 10 years ago, I think the price was $17. ... the same as all
the 14" ones! I grabbed it fast! I know the feeling of looking at the
big flat screens. When will this monitor die? When I get a flat screen
I'll be able to move my desk 7" back against the wall. I almost cut a
hole in the wall behind this thing a couple times, but then to make it
worth it, I'd have to cut a hole in my bedroom wall also.
Hi,
I dumped Nikon film outfit after using it for my daughter's wedding.
Now every member of my family has own digital camera, and/or camcorder.
One thing, CRT based sets has a slight risk of emitting X-ray
if HV set up is not properly adjusted. Also they use quite a bit more
energy compared to LCD panels.

On 1/17/2011 11:10 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
(snip)
Are you that one guy still buying film for your camera?? (laugh) I'm the
last person to convert to new technology because hey,
the old one works fine. The upside is by that time whatever it is
has come way down in price and they have worked out a lot of
the bugs.
nancy

Haven't bought any film in the last couple of years. Not that you CAN
buy it without a hunt anymore. But I still have half a dozen or so Nikon
SLRs and a dozen or two lenses for them. I have a couple of grand in
them (mostly all bought used), but original retail easily over 10k. I
might get 2 or 3 hundred for the whole pile, and they are worth more in
sentimental value to me than that. Keep meaning to pull the batteries
out of all of them before they start leaking. Maybe in 40 years or so,
my heirs can make a few bucks from them as collector items.

--
aem sends...

On 1/17/2011 11:32 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 11:10 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
(snip)
Are you that one guy still buying film for your camera?? (laugh) I'm the
last person to convert to new technology because hey,
the old one works fine. The upside is by that time whatever it is
has come way down in price and they have worked out a lot of
the bugs.
nancy

Haven't bought any film in the last couple of years. Not that you CAN
buy it without a hunt anymore. But I still have half a dozen or so Nikon
SLRs and a dozen or two lenses for them. I have a couple of grand in
them (mostly all bought used), but original retail easily over 10k. I
might get 2 or 3 hundred for the whole pile, and they are worth more in
sentimental value to me than that. Keep meaning to pull the batteries
out of all of them before they start leaking. Maybe in 40 years or so,
my heirs can make a few bucks from them as collector items.


Same goes for my Olympus collection ... I'm waiting for SLR digitals to
go down in price so's I can try my old lenses with a digital. We have a
pack of coyotes in the woods near our home, so may have another go at
nature photography. I had never heard a coyote howl until two nights
ago...pretty awesome! Have yet to see them, but my son went out to
investigate and saw three of them. Lots of deer around, in spite of a
deer harvest (90 killed) in and around our town this fall.

Nancy Young wrote:

[snip]

Should be interesting. Maybe when the snow disappears, if it
ever does, I'll put a free sign on the old tv at the curb. I've had good
luck with that in the past.


Someone did that here last year. It was a RCA 46-inch rear-projection TV.
That stayed on the curb for almost a weak until it was thrown in the trash
truck and crushed.

[snip]
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Knowledge and history are the enemies of religion." -- Napoleon
Bonaparte (1769-1821)

"Nancy Young" wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Nancy Young" wrote

wrote:

Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

Thanks for the heads up! I don't remember how old it is, but
it's at least 5. Guess I'll take it to recycling.

there should be a manufacturing date on the back of the set.

Huh, I thought I had it for longer than this, it's 2004. Sony Wega.
I wish I could email it to one of you who'd appreciate it. It just
takes up so much room and was in the way where I had it.

Takes me back to when even my home computer monitor took
up half my desk. I don't miss that.

me either.

nancy


Heh,when the ATSC converters first came out,I picked up a nice 13" CRT set
that a neighbor had tossed out,it works fine with a converter,has a nice
picture.

I don't like the flat panel 16:9 sets,they don't display the aspect ratios
properly,if you see a circle on them,it's flattened,and people look
squished down. I have yet to see a flat panel that doesn't do that.
If I had to buy a new TV tomorrow,I'd buy a CRT set,no bigger than 25",if
they can still be found.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

"Nancy Young" wrote in
:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 6:04 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

Huh, I thought I had it for longer than this, it's 2004. Sony Wega.
I wish I could email it to one of you who'd appreciate it. It just
takes up so much room and was in the way where I had it.
Takes me back to when even my home computer monitor took
up half my desk. I don't miss that.

Sony Wega has a pretty good rep, even now. Put it on CL, somebody may
give 50 bucks for it. The one across the room from me is one of those
in 27" size, also 2004 dated.

Same one! Only thing I didn't like about it (except it's the size of
an oven) was that it was silver(ish).

I bought it used off CL 18? months ago
for 100 bucks (a good price at the time), because I wanted to move my
old narrower 27" Trinitron to the other living room, to fill up a
hole in the entertainment center. The old one is 1999 or so,
purchased new for ~$400. They both work perfectly. By the time these
crap out, hopefully flat screens will be down to a price I can
tolerate. I'm pretty sure flat screens don't last long enough for any
of them to show up on used market in good condition at any
significant discount from new prices.

Should be interesting. Maybe when the snow disappears, if it
ever does, I'll put a free sign on the old tv at the curb. I've had
good luck with that in the past.

As to computer monitors- my 2 regular-use monitors are Dell-branded
19" Trinitrons that date from 2000, purchased used at a state auction
around 2004 for ~$40 each. They also work perfectly, dammit, after
years of heavy use. Every time I go to Sam's I drool my way through
the aisle of Samsung flat-screens at ever-lower prices, but until
these die....

(Life at the trailing edge is one of the downsides of being a cheap
SOB.)

Are you that one guy still buying film for your camera?? (laugh)
I'm the last person to convert to new technology because hey,
the old one works fine. The upside is by that time whatever it is
has come way down in price and they have worked out a lot of
the bugs.

nancy


some people use their old film cameras because of their large selection of
SLR lenses that don't fit newer camera bodies.(me)

If only they made a digital back for my AE-1.
I could use my 600mm telephoto lens a lot these days,if I could take
digital pics with it,or my 75-205macro zoom.
I've been seeing a lot of red-shouldered hawks recently.
Even had some otters in the "lake",again.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On 1/18/2011 2:44 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Nancy Young wrote:

[snip]

Should be interesting. Maybe when the snow disappears, if it
ever does, I'll put a free sign on the old tv at the curb. I've had good
luck with that in the past.


Someone did that here last year. It was a RCA 46-inch rear-projection TV.
That stayed on the curb for almost a weak until it was thrown in the trash
truck and crushed.

[snip]

With a projector-box TV, I'm not surprised. Even the curb fairies have
learned that once those screw up, repairing them is a large fraction of
the cost of a flat-panel almost as big. Definitely a dead end on the
television evolutionary tree. I saw those sitting by the dumpster at the
apartments more than once. My sister and BIL have one, maybe 5YO, and
the picture is already getting noticeably degraded. If I wanted that
big, I'd go with a ceiling projector and a screen, like at work.

--
aem sends...

On 1/18/2011 2:44 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Nancy Young wrote:

[snip]

Should be interesting. Maybe when the snow disappears, if it
ever does, I'll put a free sign on the old tv at the curb. I've had good
luck with that in the past.


Someone did that here last year. It was a RCA 46-inch rear-projection TV.
That stayed on the curb for almost a weak until it was thrown in the trash
truck and crushed.

[snip]

With a projector-box TV, I'm not surprised. Even the curb fairies have
learned that once those screw up, repairing them is a large fraction of
the cost of a flat-panel almost as big. Definitely a dead end on the
television evolutionary tree. I saw those sitting by the dumpster at the
apartments more than once. My sister and BIL have one, maybe 5YO, and
the picture is already getting noticeably degraded. If I wanted that
big, I'd go with a ceiling projector and a screen, like at work.

--
aem sends...

Jim Yanik wrote:

[snip]

I don't like the flat panel 16:9 sets,they don't display the aspect ratios
properly,if you see a circle on them,it's flattened,and people look
squished down.

Every widescreen TV should have a button to switch between 16:9 and 4:3
ratios.

Mine does, and includes a "panoramic" mode that shows EVERYTHING distorted.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Knowledge and history are the enemies of religion." -- Napoleon
Bonaparte (1769-1821)

aemeijers wrote:

[snip]

If I wanted that
big, I'd go with a ceiling projector and a screen, like at work.


That's the setup I have. The projector is smaller than a VCR, and can easily
be moved around. The screen I have is 60 inches wide (58 inches usable
because of black strips on the sides), but could easily be changed to a
larger one (using the same projector).

BTW, it still seems wrong that "widescreen" on that setup means a SMALLER
picture.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Knowledge and history are the enemies of religion." -- Napoleon
Bonaparte (1769-1821)

On 1/17/2011 1:57 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
ã…—ã…‘

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sun 16 Jan 2011 11:32:32p, told us...

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800,
wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently
developed a problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being
turned on, the picture bows inward on the left and right sides.
Then, after a few more minutes, the picture resolves and returns
to normal and remains perfect for the remaining time the tv is on.
If the symptom described above means the crt is wearing out, so
be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm wondering
whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of symptom
described above. Am basically novice, but handy and with
soldering skills, and have done a few simple tv repairs in the
past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

Jack



I haven't seen a tube tester in a drugstore or hardware store in
years, nor have I seen a television made in the last 15 years that
had more than a picture tube. The remaining circuitry was solid
state.

Hi,
We are talking about tube set? Whoa!
I have a tube tester real professional one.
I use it very often working/repairing guitar amps.

I have three of them. One is a US Navy Hickock (sp?)

On 1/17/2011 2:05 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sun 16 Jan 2011 11:57:13p, Tony Hwang told us...

ã…—ã…‘

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Sun 16 Jan 2011 11:32:32p, told us...

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:18:08 -0800,
wrote:

Hi all: My 15-yr old Toshiba 27" crt television has recently
developed a problem which is that approx 15 minutes after being
turned on, the picture bows inward on the left and right sides.
Then, after a few more minutes, the picture resolves and returns
to normal and remains perfect for the remaining time the tv is
on.
If the symptom described above means the crt is wearing out, so
be it, the set will soon be history. However, I'm wondering
whether some other, replaceable part, might be going bad and
causing the temporarily distorted picture.

Would appreciate any suggestions re. probable cause(s) of
symptom
described above. Am basically novice, but handy and with
soldering skills, and have done a few simple tv repairs in the
past. Thanks for your replies!



Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in
the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

Jack



I haven't seen a tube tester in a drugstore or hardware store in
years, nor have I seen a television made in the last 15 years that
had more than a picture tube. The remaining circuitry was solid
state.

Hi,
We are talking about tube set? Whoa!
I have a tube tester real professional one.
I use it very often working/repairing guitar amps.



I can't believe the OP has a tube set, and I don't recall it being
said. Most sets made in the last 15 years were solid state except
for the CRT.

I think it was a joke.

"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
On Jan 17, 2:27 pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:54 PM, wrote:





On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:35:25 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/17/2011 1:32 AM, wrote:

Probably a tube is getting weak. Remove the back, label all the
tubes for location on the chassis, so you can put them back in the
same socket. Pull out all tubes and take them to your local
drugstore or hardware store and test them in their tube tester.
Replace any bad ones and you should have a good working tv for
several more years.

I haven't seen a tube tester in any local retail stores in at least 20
years. Or were you pulling our chain?

I think he was kidding around.

But having said that- unless OP wants to fix it just to know he can
(which I understand and is perfectly valid), the cheapest solution is
to cruise by the local thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.)
and check out their stock. 27" glass TVs go for about 30 bucks. Most
of those paces have a cable feed, or at least a converter box, and
you can light it up and verify picture quality. The ones around here
have a good stock right now- Santa musta brought lots of flat screens
for Xmas.

I'd like to replace at least my larger TVs with flat panels, but these
damn Sony Trinitrons just will not die. Being a cheap SOB, I can't
justify junking working hardware, especially when the old stuff has
close to zero resale value at this point.

I have my old tv, a Sony, I'm thinking I'll take it to Goodwill. I
don't
know what else to do with it. I feel (a little) bad about replacing a
working tv, but I needed a flat tv. I don't want to junk my old tv to
boot.

nancy
Around here Goodwill will not take a TV over 5 years old. I tried
last week - ended up taking it to the dump.

I'd at least try leaving it out for the curb fairies, or list it on
FreeCycle or Craig's list for free, before I did that. I feel guilty
burying running hardware. If not running, most areas that are urbanized
at all, have an annual electronics recycle day.

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Everyone has forgotten my original suggestion, loosen the back so the
set runs cooler and see what happens. Also, if it is a bad capacitor,
the problem would not appear, and then disappear somewhat later, but
would be continually bad. It could be a cold solder joint, that opens
upon a little heating, and then recloses after further heating.
That's why I suggested opening the back and see what happens. It is
easy for a non-electronics person to do and gives a lot of
information!!!!

It's been a long time since I've opened up a CRT for anything but don't you
need a cheater cord to bypass the line cord safety interlock? Not even sure
where you'd find one locally, now that RatShack morphed into a phone store.
YMMV, but I wouldn't send a novice into the back of an open big CRT unit
with a metal freon can. That's asking for a zapping. Just opening it up
might not change the thermodynamics enough to spot a bad component.

I agree with your assessment about the cause of the problem, though. Back
in the days when I did repair stuff like that, I found it was usually a
cracked solder joint that caused these sorts of "warm up" problems. The
OP's unit corrects itself when on for a while, and that's the opposite of
what I would expect from a bad cap. It *is* what I would expect from a bad
joint that heated enough to expand to eventually make good contact.
Transformer mounting via solder joints (and not bolting) were always a
trouble spot, especially if it was in an area that was not well supported
and could flex. Flexion plagues all sorts of electronics. Early PC
motherboard suffered from it and a Sony receiver I recently repaired had a
mainboard that had flexed enough through many moves to loosen a ground screw
enough to induce a horrific hum.

I am waiting for my remaining CRTs to burn up or implode so I can replace
them with LCDs but it's sort of like driving to work and waiting for a stop
light so you can fiddle with the radio. That's the day you'll not hit a
single red light. Same with the CRTs. Now that I *want* them to die, they
are holding on with a vengeance. I recently trashed an RCA 25" super basic
color model that ran for over 25 years (and was still running except that
the picture had enlarged a bit and it wasn't nearly as vivid as new). Had
those old individual varactor tuning controls for each channel behind a big
swinging door. Came with a bag of teeny little channel number labels.
Fortunately, it spent most of its life connected to a VCR via channel 3.

--
Bobby G.

On 1/19/2011 12:36, Robert Green wrote:

It's been a long time since I've opened up a CRT for anything but don't you
need a cheater cord to bypass the line cord safety interlock? Not even sure
where you'd find one locally, now that RatShack morphed into a phone store.
YMMV, but I wouldn't send a novice into the back of an open big CRT unit
with a metal freon can. That's asking for a zapping. Just opening it up
might not change the thermodynamics enough to spot a bad component.

I hope that the "CRT" you're referring to is the whole TV set and not
the picture tube. Opening it can be fatal -- for both you and the tube.

I can't recall seeing a TV with a back cover interlock in over 30 years!
I find that somewhat bizarre considering all the safety features
included in modern TVs. They must figure that if you're going to remove
all the screws to get the back cover off, any interlock won't stop a
qualified person (or fool) from powering the set. There are more
warning labels than ever before, however.