In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

I'd be interested in seeing where you would cut 800 billion from
discretionary spending. Feel free to elaborate.


First of all I would make the whole thing discretionary. Putting
such a large %age out of bounds is another thing I don't entirely
understand.
We got this much to spend.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, the folks leaving Jerusalem went west. But, I
could be mistaken. I've never really asked.

Evidence. Well, here's one of 10,600 hits on Google.

http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormo..._Mormon.htm l

As to women and cows, all the women I've met in the LDS church are
very well treated.

From what I've read of your posts, you, Steve, are a special type of
person, fondly called Ex-Mo. When a person leaves the LDS / Mormon
church, they tend to get bitter, and antagonistic. Which you display
rather nicely.


Don't you think that because you even have a name for them there maybe
something to it?

It's about as stupid as a religion can get and that's pretty damn stupid.

Religion invented evil.

Jim

On 10/29/2010 12:01 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Jeff wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

I'd be interested in seeing where you would cut 800 billion from
discretionary spending. Feel free to elaborate.


First of all I would make the whole thing discretionary. Putting
such a large %age out of bounds is another thing I don't entirely
understand.
We got this much to spend.

That puts in SS and Medicare, that and defense are the major part. So
how much would you slice out of each to get 800B? Doesn't seem like a
workable plan to me, but I'd like to see some details before I pass
judgment.

I think the Deficit Commission is the best plan going so far, I've
heard nothing on the right that isn't posturing.

Jeff

Steve B wrote:

The Jewish community has also had run ins with the Mormons who were
baptizing the dead from the holocaust in proxy (google that), and have
several times asked them to stop, with little results, but who knows
what goes on behind those temple walls. Baptism for the dead is a
ceremony where a dead person is allowed to be brought into heaven by
having a living Mormon proxy baptized in their sacred temple, and
brought out of Purgatory, or whatever holding pen, and into heaven if
they accept the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. Of course, they are
brought into the Mormon faith, and not Judaism.

I think the government should institute a "do not save" list to keep the Mormans
from doing this to people with objections.

On 10/29/2010 11:20 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 10/29/2010 10:22 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Jeff wrote:

On
Tax cuts increase federal revenue. Always have.

Never have. Sure didn't under W where they took a balanced budget and 8
years later had more than doubled the deficit.

Deficits occur when you spend more than you have. Period no matter the
party. Taking the tax cuts out of the equation, if you have a certain
amount of money coming in, and you know you are only going to have a
certain amount of money coming in, then you reduce your spending to that
level. Math 101.
The thing about tax cuts and the "cost" is the underlying
assumption that the government is some how entitled to a certain amount
of money. That is the most disingenuous part of the whole discussion to
my mind.
The government is only entitled to the amount of tax money that I
can legally avoid not sending under the current laws. Not one penny
more. The fact that the Congress (again pretty much independent of the
party with power over the purse strings) refuses to reign in spending to
that level is a shame on the electorate .

I have nothing against cutting spending.

Here is the Fed Budget for 2010:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

I'd be interested in seeing where you would cut 800 billion from
discretionary spending. Feel free to elaborate.

Jeff





it's painfully obvious u r a moron. I don't lower myself to educating
morons. try gubmint schools.

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

On 10/29/2010 12:01 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Jeff wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Un...federal_budget

I'd be interested in seeing where you would cut 800 billion from
discretionary spending. Feel free to elaborate.


First of all I would make the whole thing discretionary. Putting
such a large %age out of bounds is another thing I don't entirely
understand.
We got this much to spend.

That puts in SS and Medicare, that and defense are the major part. So
how much would you slice out of each to get 800B? Doesn't seem like a
workable plan to me, but I'd like to see some details before I pass
judgment.

I am not sure it is short term. Actually if I was king of the world,
I'd pass a constitutional amendment saying that spending could not rise
above inflation. Probably with some sort of added (but steadily
decreasing) kicker during a 10-year phase in. I'd have a lot less of a
problem with tax increases if I thought there was any real chance of
long-term spending reductions. Look over about the last 30 years
Congress gets a burr up its ass every so often and lowers the
year-over-year percentage increase in spending to around 2% for a couple
years, loses interest, and then works its way back to what is more or
less a traditional 5% year over year increase.
There was a series of studies over the 70s and 80s showing that if
we just limited increases in spending to inflation, the deficit would go
away in less than 10 years (depending on the time and assumptions).
There also has never been a really good debate on what the
government SHOULD be doing.
For example, I have advocated since the completion of the
Interstate system, that Fed gas taxes (with a little bit left for
research into new building materials, safety etc.) should be done way
with. If the states want to replenish that money by increasing their own
taxes then that's fine. If not, then they risk economic development.
I'd zero out NPR, CPB, PBS (although there was also a fairly
interesting study a couple of years ago showing that PBS has more
affiliates than any of the Big 4 Networks and that closing down some and
selling off the redundant frequencies might actually be able to
establish an endowment replacing the lost money.)
I'd cut 50% from Congressional staffs, office and committee
budgets. Cut out the department of Education since schools are a local
function (maybe some residual for studies). There are a few others.
Turn procurement over to the Pentagon letting them decide what they
need instead of spending billions keeping thinks alive because they are
in some CongressCritters district even though the Joint Chiefs don't
want them. Could save a bundle by streamlining procurement across the
government.
I'd stop most of the subsidies and tax breaks for anything. If they
can't make it in the real world they don't need to be done. I would
consider keeping some money floating around for basic research on some
topics we are currently subsidizing to pay for basic research into
making them more efficient and more likely to be able to pay for
themselves.
I'd zero out HHS except for FDA and the research part of the NIH.
Even then I would limit much of the NIH to basic research and
comparative research (which statin is better than the other and do
statins actually do better than (insert option here). This is
information that has a general use.
MCare I'd voucher so that people could find their own plans and
put competition in there (the much vaunted-- or is that taunted--
government healthcare plans are pure vanilla BC/BS-type plans that
benefit from a big group and the fact the government can subsidize the
premiums to higher extent).
Anyway this is just off the top of my head.
For those 40 and below, I'd consider moving into a defined
contribution instead of a defined benefit plan for SS. Take the money
and invest it. Maybe a combo of the two with a lower guarantee. It can
be set-up like a 401(k) where a manager (or managers) bid on the
contract and you have a certain minimum number of mutual funds that you
can buy into.
If you want to more actively manage your account, you can move around
the %ages. If you don't there are allocation methods out there based on
Nobel Prize winning research that allocates according to investment
outlook and put the fire and forget group into the moderately
conservative middle ground.
As long as there is a wall between the investment group and the
politicians, this has the add advantage of freeing up a whole bunch of
money for productive investment. Currently the extra money from SS is
going into government bonds where they (and the interest) will have be
paid for eventually. But there is no dedicated source of money so it
will only make things worse as those bonds start need to be used.



I think the Deficit Commission is the best plan going so far, I've
heard nothing on the right that isn't posturing.
We'll see.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:05:20 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Jeff Thies wrote:

Regarding the holding up appointments, sigh, if only. Look at Obama's
cabinet: almost all come from government or academia. Very few (like
two - Treasury and AG) have any recent experience in the private
sector. Here's the list:

State - former senator and 1st Lady
Treasury - Wall Street
Defense - holdover
Justice - law firm
Interior - former governor
Agriculture - former governor
Commerce - former governor
Labor - former House member
Health& Human Services - former governor
HUD - city department head
Transportation - former House member
Energy - academic
Education - school superintendent
Homeland security - former governor
Veteran affairs - military

This has got to be the most inexperienced cabinet since that of
Ulysses S Grant.

One could also say that they are the most experienced group. Most,
have extensive administrative experience and were very good at what
they had done.

You preferred then W's technique of whether he connected with them
personally. Heck of a job Brownie?

All these departments are functioning, rather than being broken as
they were under W.

But then, you must have a lot of faith in the private sector. Just
how well do you think this countries first MBA president did?


He actually did quite well. For the first six years we had unemployment
below 5%, the DJIA above 14,000, almost no inflation, 25 consecutive
quarters of economic growth, and so on. All this in spite of two wars,
Katrina, and 9/11.

Then the Democrats took over Congress...


You do realize that he didn't pay for two wars? That is all borrowed
money.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


The Iraq War started March 20th, 2003. Bush announced "Mission
Accomplished" on May 1st of that year. (There was even a banner on
the ship - seeing is believing.).

I find it really disturbing that someone as stupid as you was given a
badge, a uniform, weapons and probably a vehicle, using public money.

Just for your information, Mr Smartypants, nobody gave me a gun, with public
money or otherwise. I bought my own. I did, however, get a tax deduction...


By the way, Bush apologized for that stupid "Mission Accomplished"
sign. You missed the VIDEO in which he apologized for that, and some
of the bar talk he was fond of using to appeal to things like you.


I did miss the video because there wasn't one. The closest he came to an
apology was a statement on the Larry King show that he regretted the implied
inference, but there was no apology.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
Oh, and in case you missed it, the economy crashed when that Bush
fella was still in charge, and the signs of what was coming had been
apparent (at least to some people) for quite some time. Your
depiction that it all happened only when the Dems took over is
delusion.

The Dems took over Congress in January 2006.

January 2007.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Oh, and in case you missed it, the economy crashed when that Bush
fella was still in charge, and the signs of what was coming had been
apparent (at least to some people) for quite some time. Your
depiction that it all happened only when the Dems took over is
delusion.

The Dems took over Congress in January 2006.
(since corrected to January 2007)


Ask your left foot when the war began, and read about how badly it was
planned. Hire a private detective to help you find your public
library, you ignorant old fool.

I asked my left foot. There was no answer. What does your left foot say?

I don't go to public libraries. The last time I went, I asked if they had
Marquis' Who's Who?

"Er, no," said the librarian.

"Encyclopedia Judaica?" I inquired.

"Ah, not that either," was the reply.

"The Congressional Record? The Federal Register? The History of the
Peloponnesian War? Lysistrata?"

"Sorry"

"Well, what DO you have?"

"Oh we have the best sellers, hand puppets, art work, video games, on the
spinner over there, historical romance paperbacks (leave two, take two),
newspapers, magazines, public computers, all kinds of things," came back the
tabulation.

They DID have all kinds of things. But fulfilling their classic role as a
repository of knowledge? Not a chance.

willshak wrote:

The reason the mechanic laid off his son probably had nothing to do
with any political party.
The owner's son was probably the least productive employee, as many
are who are related to the employer.

Now the son can collect unemployment for 99 weeks.

Bob F wrote:

Don't forget the lowest job growth since WW II.

It's kinda hard to add new jobs when unemployment is around 4%.
Everybody HAS a job.

Job growth was WAY below the population growth.

Nobody hires BABIES!

Silly person...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Hardly "ANYTHING". You would be pressed to point to Republicans
being accused of a single instance of:

* Illegal voter registration (i.e. Acorn)
* False absentee ballot requests or submissions (2 Dems arrested
this week in Florida)
* Voter intimidation at the polling place (New Black Panther folks
in Philly)
* Delay or outright denial of military absentee ballots (The entire
state of Illinois)

Liberals tend to support the notion that "the end justifies the
means." What's a relatively minor incident of ballot security when
the greater good of electing the proper candidate is in the balance?

Conservatives tend to cling to the idea that "no good can come from
an immoral act."

That is laughable.


He's talking about imaginary conservatives. Here are some real ones
from recent history, with info about their research into immoral acts:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1288320974

I don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program becuase of a single
slip-up.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


The Iraq War started March 20th, 2003. Bush announced "Mission
Accomplished" on May 1st of that year. (There was even a banner on
the ship - seeing is believing.).

I find it really disturbing that someone as stupid as you was given a
badge, a uniform, weapons and probably a vehicle, using public money.

Just for your information, Mr Smartypants, nobody gave me a gun, with
public money or otherwise. I bought my own. I did, however, get a tax
deduction...


By the way, Bush apologized for that stupid "Mission Accomplished"
sign. You missed the VIDEO in which he apologized for that, and some
of the bar talk he was fond of using to appeal to things like you.


I did miss the video because there wasn't one. The closest he came to an
apology was a statement on the Larry King show that he regretted the
implied inference, but there was no apology.


You retired incorrectly. Your brain has atrophied and you're suffocating in
the fumes from your urine-soaked easy chair. Get help.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Oh, and in case you missed it, the economy crashed when that Bush
fella was still in charge, and the signs of what was coming had been
apparent (at least to some people) for quite some time. Your
depiction that it all happened only when the Dems took over is
delusion.

The Dems took over Congress in January 2006.
(since corrected to January 2007)


Ask your left foot when the war began, and read about how badly it was
planned. Hire a private detective to help you find your public
library, you ignorant old fool.

I asked my left foot. There was no answer. What does your left foot say?

I don't go to public libraries. The last time I went, I asked if they had
Marquis' Who's Who?

"Er, no," said the librarian.

"Encyclopedia Judaica?" I inquired.

"Ah, not that either," was the reply.

"The Congressional Record? The Federal Register? The History of the
Peloponnesian War? Lysistrata?"

"Sorry"

"Well, what DO you have?"

"Oh we have the best sellers, hand puppets, art work, video games, on the
spinner over there, historical romance paperbacks (leave two, take two),
newspapers, magazines, public computers, all kinds of things," came back
the tabulation.

They DID have all kinds of things. But fulfilling their classic role as a
repository of knowledge? Not a chance.



Stop lying. It's too obvious.

CK Lumbernickle wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

The chart you reference, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, shows
unemployment during the first six years of the Bush administration
averaging about 5%.

Starting in January of '08, unemployment went up like a rocket! How
does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's
incredibly obvious, isn't it?

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name
calling makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

Huh? I don't call names. I made a sly reference to a quote from Dr.
Strangelove to show the relationship between ... oh, never mind.


What part of the chart are you having difficulty with? The part of Jan
2001, when Clinton handed the Bush administration a 4.2%
unemployment? Or, the part of Jan 2009, when Bush handed the Obama
administration a staggering almost 8% unemployment?

I'm looking more at the Jan 2007 period when the Democrats took over
Congress.

DGDevin wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

Who figured the feds shouldn't need a court order to listen to your
phone calls or read your e-mails?

Governments have been monitoring enemy electronic communications
since the Recent Unplesantness when both Union and Confederate
forces tapped the telegraph lines of their opposition. Early on, we
broke the Japanese "Purple Code," and the British did the same with
the "Enigma" project on German codes.

Those who dismiss this project harken back to the day when the
Secretary of State said: "Gentelmen do not read each others mail" as
he closed the State Department's codebreaking office.

What part of the difference between "enemy" and "American citizen" is
too complicated for you?

It's not complicated at all when the American citizen is - or thought to
be - afffiliated with the enemy.


The way it used to work was if the cops wanted to tap your phone or
read your mail they had to convince a judge to sign off on it. There
was even a special court where they could go if it was a national
security issue that couldn't be discussed in open court. Now, they
just send your ISP a Security Letter and the ISP rolls over, no need
to wake up a judge and explain why they want to spy on a citizen on
his native soil. And you figure that's a good thing?

Like so many others, you confuse the criminal law with the President's
Article II powers. Those folks who fall under the category "enemy" are not
criminals. As such, the Constitutional provisions that contain "In all
criminal prosecutions...." (i.e., 6th Amendment), do not apply to them.
Enemy combatants do not get a trial by jury, access to legal counsel,
indictment by a grand jury, compulsory process for obtaining witnesses,
trial by jury, and all the other safeguards we provide criminals.


To his discredit, Obama opposed this while running for office and
said he would end the practice. Not only has he not done so, he
apparently proposed to expand the practice--just one of many reasons
I am disappointed in the the Obama administration.

Once in office, he was evidently briefed on Constitutional Law.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK Lumbernickle"
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

On 10/29/2010 2:28 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
(snip)
Turn procurement over to the Pentagon letting them decide what they
need instead of spending billions keeping thinks alive because they are
in some CongressCritters district even though the Joint Chiefs don't
want them. Could save a bundle by streamlining procurement across the
government.

Never worked for the civilian side of the military, have you? If
anything, they make the rest of FedGov procurement look efficient. I've
advocated for YEARS that they need to take away purchase authority from
the military services entirely. Make them buy the mundane stuff the same
way the rest of FedGov does from the same sources, instead of running
their own mirror universe x5 like they do now. For the weapons systems,
take it away from the services to get rid of the duplication and
interservice rivalry crap, and put it under a single command with a
civilian head, directly under SecDef. That way, when there is a major
fubar, POTUS only has to reach down 2 layers to give the dope slap.

WAY too many people in FedGov are allowed to buy stuff, IMHO, based on
working there 30 years. They literally spend 100 bucks on paperwork to
buy a ten dollar item.

--
aem sends...

"JimT" wrote in message
net...

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
As I understand it, the folks leaving Jerusalem went west. But, I
could be mistaken. I've never really asked.

Evidence. Well, here's one of 10,600 hits on Google.

http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormo..._Mormon.htm l

As to women and cows, all the women I've met in the LDS church are
very well treated.

From what I've read of your posts, you, Steve, are a special type of
person, fondly called Ex-Mo. When a person leaves the LDS / Mormon
church, they tend to get bitter, and antagonistic. Which you display
rather nicely.


Don't you think that because you even have a name for them there maybe
something to it?

It's about as stupid as a religion can get and that's pretty damn stupid.

Religion invented evil.

Jim

As this is a fragmented thread, let me address SM.

This is typical of Mormons. They don't even know what they believe in
because the whole religion is a Pansy scheme, with a pyramid structure. As
you go up, the stairs narrow, and the need to know diminishes. For the
lower tiers, it is just good to know that you pay your vig (errr pardon me,
tithe), and you are taken care of. Visiting teachers, special unemployment
office, help with this and that. They are taught the basics and that's all.

As I read the Book of Mormon, the refugees headed east out of Jerusalem and
then eventually went to the New World. For you to say,

As I understand it, the folks leaving Jerusalem went west. But, I
could be mistaken. I've never really asked.

speaks volumes of how much you have investigated your own faith. You are a
mere robotic follower if you don't even know what you understand, and have
never asked for clarification.

For the record, I am an apostate. A Son of Perdition in the Mormon church.
Google that. For a quick definition, I'm a particularly bad form of Mormon
who has rejected the religion, and will spend my eternity in a specially
painful hell. I was a member of the LDS faith, even a priest.

What swayed me was reality, common sense, history, hypocrisy, and the
overall sense that God was not God, but Joseph Smith, and the idea that men
could become gods and arrange their hereafters and eternities, which is a
direct clash with the Bible. Also, the teachings that the Bible was faulty,
and the other documents provided by the church, although altered yearly,
were true and correct, even though if they were, they wouldn't need to be
altered every printing to clear up "misunderstandings."

Chris, I wish you well. I hope you investigate your own faith enough to
never EVER make the statement again, "I've never really asked."

Thousands of people have ended up dead in all manner of cults following just
such behavior and worshiping idols and false prophets.

Even agnostics and atheists have a much more plausible argument in a common
debate than, "I never really asked."

Get out before it is too late.

Steve

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK Lumbernickle"
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name
calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I see reading comprehesion is not your strong suit. You are the one making
stuff up, denying you were name calling. I never said me. In fact, the
FACTS show this. Something you appear to be ignorant about.



I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

I'm not attacking you, in fact I'm glad you brought your ignorance out
front.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
CK Lumbernickle wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

The chart you reference, from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, shows
unemployment during the first six years of the Bush administration
averaging about 5%.

Starting in January of '08, unemployment went up like a rocket! How
does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's
incredibly obvious, isn't it?

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name
calling makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

Huh? I don't call names. I made a sly reference to a quote from Dr.
Strangelove to show the relationship between ... oh, never mind.


What part of the chart are you having difficulty with? The part of Jan
2001, when Clinton handed the Bush administration a 4.2%
unemployment? Or, the part of Jan 2009, when Bush handed the Obama
administration a staggering almost 8% unemployment?

I'm looking more at the Jan 2007 period when the Democrats took over
Congress.


Oh, how silly of me. The day Democrats took both houses, the economy
tanked. They must be very powerful! No wonder hate radio is scared of them.

Spoken (written) like a true Ex-Mo.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" I think it's
debatable
but the "Do undo others" thing still applies.

www.exmormon.org is interesting reading

I've noticed that.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Oren" wrote in message
...

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

As this is a fragmented thread, let me address SM.

CY: Permissiong ranted.

This is typical of Mormons. They don't even know what they believe in
because the whole religion is a Pansy scheme, with a pyramid
structure.

CY: Pansy? Oh, it's a flower group, then? Flower power!

As you go up, the stairs narrow, and the need to know diminishes.

CY: It's been my experience that the higher ups really know their
religion.

For the
lower tiers, it is just good to know that you pay your vig (errr
pardon me,
tithe), and you are taken care of. Visiting teachers, special
unemployment
office, help with this and that. They are taught the basics and
that's all.

CY:Everyone in the church is encouraged to learn as much as we can.

As I read the Book of Mormon, the refugees headed east out of
Jerusalem and
then eventually went to the New World. For you to say,

As I understand it, the folks leaving Jerusalem went west. But, I
could be mistaken. I've never really asked.

speaks volumes of how much you have investigated your own faith. You
are a
mere robotic follower if you don't even know what you understand, and
have
never asked for clarification.

CY: Actually, you're quite mistaken.

For the record, I am an apostate. A Son of Perdition in the Mormon
church.
Google that. For a quick definition, I'm a particularly bad form of
Mormon
who has rejected the religion, and will spend my eternity in a
specially
painful hell. I was a member of the LDS faith, even a priest.

CY: I'd figured you are apostate.

What swayed me was reality, common sense, history, hypocrisy, and the
overall sense that God was not God, but Joseph Smith, and the idea
that men
could become gods and arrange their hereafters and eternities, which
is a
direct clash with the Bible. Also, the teachings that the Bible was
faulty,
and the other documents provided by the church, although altered
yearly,
were true and correct, even though if they were, they wouldn't need to
be
altered every printing to clear up "misunderstandings."

CY: Yep, you're a party line apostate.

Chris, I wish you well. I hope you investigate your own faith enough
to
never EVER make the statement again, "I've never really asked."

CY: I hope sometime that you realize whose spirit you have, and
return to the Church of Jesus Christ.

Thousands of people have ended up dead in all manner of cults
following just
such behavior and worshiping idols and false prophets.

CY: I'll let you know if we ever get an idol, or false prophet.

Even agnostics and atheists have a much more plausible argument in a
common
debate than, "I never really asked."

CY: Actually, I do. But, you'd not be sincerely interested.

Get out before it is too late.

CY: Return to the fold, lest you die in your sins.

Steve

Chris

On 10/29/2010 3:41 PM, HeyBub wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Oh, and in case you missed it, the economy crashed when that Bush
fella was still in charge, and the signs of what was coming had been
apparent (at least to some people) for quite some time. Your
depiction that it all happened only when the Dems took over is
delusion.

The Dems took over Congress in January 2006.
(since corrected to January 2007)


Ask your left foot when the war began, and read about how badly it was
planned. Hire a private detective to help you find your public
library, you ignorant old fool.

I asked my left foot. There was no answer. What does your left foot say?

I don't go to public libraries. The last time I went, I asked if they had
Marquis' Who's Who?

"Er, no," said the librarian.

"Encyclopedia Judaica?" I inquired.

"Ah, not that either," was the reply.

"The Congressional Record? The Federal Register? The History of the
Peloponnesian War? Lysistrata?"

"Sorry"

"Well, what DO you have?"

"Oh we have the best sellers, hand puppets, art work, video games, on the
spinner over there, historical romance paperbacks (leave two, take two),
newspapers, magazines, public computers, all kinds of things," came back the
tabulation.

They DID have all kinds of things. But fulfilling their classic role as a
repository of knowledge? Not a chance.



Was it a university library or as my darker cousins say "lieberry"? 8-)

TDD

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK Lumbernickle"
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name
calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.


You're right, you didn't call any names. It was your childish behavior of
making fun of B. Frank's speech impediment. I'll bet you go in stitches at
the sight of an amputee.




I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

Nah, it was your ignorance of someone with a handicap.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I've noticed that.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Oren" wrote in message
...

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

So you approve of making fun of someone with a handicap. You're a real
piece of work too.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:22:08 -0400, "CK Lumbernickle"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK Lumbernickle"
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name
calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.


You're right, you didn't call any names. It was your childish behavior of
making fun of B. Frank's speech impediment. I'll bet you go in stitches at
the sight of an amputee.



Yes I was right and never attacked you.

So it is okay for you to make fun a my typing impediment? I'll take
your lame bet.



I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.

Nah, it was your ignorance of someone with a handicap.


You mean a progressive liberal?

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:06:40 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.

I do, however. eat frog legs -- mostly fried in grease.

Yes I like salted peanuts, though.

On 10/29/2010 9:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:06:40 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.

I do, however. eat frog legs -- mostly fried in grease.

Yes I like salted peanuts, though.


OH MY GOD! What would the French people think about you eating their
fellow citizens? And supporting a peanut farmer like Jimmy Carter,
the thought of it boggles the mind.

TDD

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

By the way, Bush apologized for that stupid "Mission Accomplished"
sign. You missed the VIDEO in which he apologized for that, and some
of the bar talk he was fond of using to appeal to things like you.


I did miss the video because there wasn't one. The closest he came
to an apology was a statement on the Larry King show that he
regretted the implied inference, but there was no apology.


You retired incorrectly. Your brain has atrophied and you're
suffocating in the fumes from your urine-soaked easy chair. Get help.

I searched and searched and could not find either the video you claim exists
or any reference to it. I'd be ever so grateful for:

A. A link to it so I could offer my apologies for doubting you, or
B. An admission you fudged a comment (apology not necessary).

Unless some reference is forthcoming, I'll be forced to conclude you're all
mouth (some of it regrettably potty - but we've come to expect that from
liberals - that's just what they do).

I really hope I'm wrong - that you can find something to support your claim.
The world is too full of posers as it is, I'd hate to discover another.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I asked my left foot. There was no answer. What does your left foot
say? I don't go to public libraries. The last time I went, I asked if
they had Marquis' Who's Who?

"Er, no," said the librarian.

"Encyclopedia Judaica?" I inquired.

"Ah, not that either," was the reply.

"The Congressional Record? The Federal Register? The History of the
Peloponnesian War? Lysistrata?"

"Sorry"

"Well, what DO you have?"

"Oh we have the best sellers, hand puppets, art work, video games,
on the spinner over there, historical romance paperbacks (leave two,
take two), newspapers, magazines, public computers, all kinds of
things," came back the tabulation.

They DID have all kinds of things. But fulfilling their classic role
as a repository of knowledge? Not a chance.



Was it a university library or as my darker cousins say "lieberry"?
8-)

No, it was a local neighborhood library.

In my view, it, and others like it, should be burnt to the ground and the
ashes scattered.

Take no chances.

Oren wrote:

You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.


Here's what they don't get: Even IF you were incapable of comprehension,
lied like a dog, listened to talk radio instead of NPR, were educated in a
cave, and couldn't find up from down, what difference does it make regarding
the verity of what you have to say?

But that's what liberals DO. They operate more from emotion than logic,
their utterances are more visceral than semantic. They seldom confront the
message but revel in attacking the messenger.

There's the old saw about pilots: If you cut off their hands, they couldn't
communicate with each other! With progresives, if you prohibit profanity
they're nearly speechless.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:11:35 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:06:40 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.

I do, however. eat frog legs -- mostly fried in grease.

Yes I like salted peanuts, though.


OH MY GOD! What would the French people think about you eating their
fellow citizens? And supporting a peanut farmer like Jimmy Carter,
the thought of it boggles the mind.

TDD

I cannot speak for the French, but the best, home made peanut brittle
is made in LA -- -Lower Alabama.

On 10/26/2010 8:04 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Stormin wrote in message
...
Took my truck in for oil change, today. The mechanic said that
business is so slow. The economy is really awful.

"I laid off my son, today" he says. Doesn't have enough work to pay
him.

So, how are all you Democrats enjoying life, these days? Was this the
change you were hoping for? Anyone out there going to vote for more of
this change? I hope not.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1j...eature=related


Explain with great precision exactly what you would've done differently from
Obama if you'd been the president to follow George W. Bush. Failure to
explain your plan in your next message will be an admission that you are
drunk.



Well i'd start off with a birth certificate. I don't need to go any
farther.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:57:07 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:11:35 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:06:40 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.

I do, however. eat frog legs -- mostly fried in grease.

Yes I like salted peanuts, though.


OH MY GOD! What would the French people think about you eating their
fellow citizens? And supporting a peanut farmer like Jimmy Carter,
the thought of it boggles the mind.

TDD

I cannot speak for the French, but the best, home made peanut brittle
is made in LA -- -Lower Alabama.

Hmm, my grandmother made home made peanut brittle in the UP. -- Upper
Penninsula (Michigan)

On 10/29/2010 10:36 PM, HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

I asked my left foot. There was no answer. What does your left foot
say? I don't go to public libraries. The last time I went, I asked if
they had Marquis' Who's Who?

"Er, no," said the librarian.

"Encyclopedia Judaica?" I inquired.

"Ah, not that either," was the reply.

"The Congressional Record? The Federal Register? The History of the
Peloponnesian War? Lysistrata?"

"Sorry"

"Well, what DO you have?"

"Oh we have the best sellers, hand puppets, art work, video games,
on the spinner over there, historical romance paperbacks (leave two,
take two), newspapers, magazines, public computers, all kinds of
things," came back the tabulation.

They DID have all kinds of things. But fulfilling their classic role
as a repository of knowledge? Not a chance.



Was it a university library or as my darker cousins say "lieberry"?
8-)

No, it was a local neighborhood library.

In my view, it, and others like it, should be burnt to the ground and the
ashes scattered.

Take no chances.



The last time I was in a city library branch was the summer of last year
and the place was full of street people who were escaping from
the heat. It's a shame what our libraries have come to. Back in the
1960's and early 1970's I spent a lot of time in libraries but not
so much now because of The Interweb. I can now explore the world from
my bedroom or office.

TDD

On 10/29/2010 10:57 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:11:35 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 9:53 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 20:06:40 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 10/29/2010 5:39 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:44:17 -0400, "CK
wrote:

Your childish behavior is similar to Oren's. Somehow you think name calling
makes you a 4th grader, instead of a 3rd grader.

I never called you sophisticated, intellectual or any other name. Stop
making stuff up.

I can't talk to a progressive liberal, first thing that happens when
they disagree is go on the attack.


You mean you're NOT a racist, Nazi pig, kitten murdering, baby seal
clubbing thug? Darn it, I thought it was true because a Liberal
freak said so. I'm so disappointed, I must now listen to love radio
and hear them say horrible nasty things about Sarah Palin.

TDD

Pay attention. I'm accused of no comprehension, making stuff up,
listening to hate radio, lack of education and ignorance.

I do, however. eat frog legs -- mostly fried in grease.

Yes I like salted peanuts, though.


OH MY GOD! What would the French people think about you eating their
fellow citizens? And supporting a peanut farmer like Jimmy Carter,
the thought of it boggles the mind.

TDD

I cannot speak for the French, but the best, home made peanut brittle
is made in LA -- -Lower Alabama.

I had a service call in West Alabamastan last week. It was in Northport
and I got out of there just in time to miss the game traffic.

TDD