Geez. You and I could enjoy a drink and good conversation together.

cm


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:07:37 -0800, "Zoot" wrote:
The popular vote split indicates that we all average out near the
center. That's not divided - it's unified. All we lacked was a leader
who undferstands that.



The political parties need to understand it as well. This pandering to
the extremes of the left and right are what's divided the country. I
would love to have a centrist party.

The Republicans left me behind when they started kissing fundamentalist
ass. And the Democrats conspire to deprive me of my God given right to
defend myself by their attempts to redefine the 2nd Amendment.

I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not all. The
parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us to come to them.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Chris,

Maybe you need a new sex partner. GRIN

cm
"Chris" wrote in message ...
badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. Obama is
the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have
reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I will be even
happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will
need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs
skyrocket. Let us know if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own brains?
Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than sex.

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current left and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. You could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal. It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
...


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:07:37 -0800, "Zoot" wrote:
The popular vote split indicates that we all average out near the
center. That's not divided - it's unified. All we lacked was a leader
who undferstands that.



The political parties need to understand it as well. This pandering to
the extremes of the left and right are what's divided the country. I
would love to have a centrist party.

The Republicans left me behind when they started kissing fundamentalist
ass. And the Democrats conspire to deprive me of my God given right to
defend myself by their attempts to redefine the 2nd Amendment.

I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not all. The
parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us to come to them.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"badgolferman" wrote in message
...
retired54 wrote:


"badgolferman" wrote in message
. ..
Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much.
Obama is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his
policies have reflected such. If you're happy that's great but
I will be even happier when you share your wealth with me
because I certainly will need it when there are no more jobs to
go around and energy costs skyrocket. Let us know if you're
still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own
brains? Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling,
better than sex.


Using your own brains please tell me how you envision President
Obama and Pelosi/Reid making the world and especially America a
better place. If possible piggyback on the points made by original
poster or just raise your own.


Haven't you guys done enough damage already?

Olddog

Lack of content noted.


Personally I think having Alfred E Newman for president says it all.

The errors are just too numerous to go over with you. Pick up a paper or
magazine and read.

Here's to better days.

Cheers

Olddog

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:34:39 GMT, "retired54" wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation with
two
sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of laws
for
the proletariat.


For a democrat Obama is quite conservative. That's why so many
conservatives
jumped ship and voted for him. Even "The Economist" endorsed him. Calm
down
and take a deep breath. Give him a chance to straighten the mess your
neocons left.

Olddog


Agreed. Don't forget for a moment that one of McCains oft repeated
phrases was about putting America first. I fully expect that MCCain,
himself will have no problem working with OUR new president. NOt
everybody will be a big enough person to do the same. It's really up
to each individual whether they want to bitch and moan, or work
towards a better United States. Every person has two choices right
now. Either help, or get out of the way for those that want to put
America FIRST.


Very gracious speech McCain gave. I'll alway admire him for that.

Olddog

-----Original Message-----
From: Mortimer Schnerd, RN [mailto:mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM
Posted To: alt.home.repair
Conversation: I cried...
Subject: I cried...



"sanity" wrote in message
. ..
There are going to be a lot of disappointed democratic voters when BO
cant
fulfill his campaign promises.

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters when
BO does fulfill his campaign promise.

Come back in three years and let's have this conversation again. He's a
POLITICIAN. Of course he's going to break his promises. But he'll
inspire us as he does it.
-------------------------------
Let's "Hope" it's not all been
'pump 'em up and frost 'em over'.
His feet will be held to the fire,
that's for sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:26 AM
Posted To: alt.home.repair
Conversation: I cried...
Subject: I cried...

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:34:39 GMT, "retired54" wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far
left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue
the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on
social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation
with
two
sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of
laws
for
the proletariat.


For a democrat Obama is quite conservative. That's why so many
conservatives
jumped ship and voted for him. Even "The Economist" endorsed him. Calm
down
and take a deep breath. Give him a chance to straighten the mess your
neocons left.

Olddog


Agreed. Don't forget for a moment that one of McCains oft repeated
phrases was about putting America first. I fully expect that MCCain,
himself will have no problem working with OUR new president. NOt
everybody will be a big enough person to do the same. It's really up
to each individual whether they want to bitch and moan, or work
towards a better United States. Every person has two choices right
now. Either help, or get out of the way for those that want to put
America FIRST.
===================================

The Democrats who voted Obama in will certainly not be able to bitch and
moan (Peace, Hope, Love and Unity and all that). The rest of us who
have been 'helping' our country for years and years will get to take a
little rest and watch the show. It's 'our turn' to bitch and moan now.
Dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.

olddog wrote:


"badgolferman" wrote in message
.. .
retired54 wrote:


"badgolferman" wrote in message
.. .
Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much.
Obama is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his
policies have reflected such. If you're happy that's great
but I will be even happier when you share your wealth with
me because I certainly will need it when there are no more
jobs to go around and energy costs skyrocket. Let us know
if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your
own brains? Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful
feeling, better than sex.


Using your own brains please tell me how you envision President
Obama and Pelosi/Reid making the world and especially America a
better place. If possible piggyback on the points made by
original poster or just raise your own.


Haven't you guys done enough damage already?

Olddog

Lack of content noted.


Personally I think having Alfred E Newman for president says it all.

The errors are just too numerous to go over with you. Pick up a paper
or magazine and read.

Here's to better days.

Cheers

Olddog


More lack of content noted.

--
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates." ~
Jay Leno

"Coleah" wrote in message
news:044AFA6044C44FE3B1042B83E0C6B77E@MomsNewCompu ter...


-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:26 AM
Posted To: alt.home.repair
Conversation: I cried...
Subject: I cried...

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:34:39 GMT, "retired54" wrote:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far
left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue
the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on
social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation
with
two
sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of
laws
for
the proletariat.


For a democrat Obama is quite conservative. That's why so many
conservatives
jumped ship and voted for him. Even "The Economist" endorsed him. Calm
down
and take a deep breath. Give him a chance to straighten the mess your
neocons left.

Olddog


Agreed. Don't forget for a moment that one of McCains oft repeated
phrases was about putting America first. I fully expect that MCCain,
himself will have no problem working with OUR new president. NOt
everybody will be a big enough person to do the same. It's really up
to each individual whether they want to bitch and moan, or work
towards a better United States. Every person has two choices right
now. Either help, or get out of the way for those that want to put
America FIRST.
===================================

The Democrats who voted Obama in will certainly not be able to bitch and
moan (Peace, Hope, Love and Unity and all that). The rest of us who
have been 'helping' our country for years and years will get to take a
little rest and watch the show. It's 'our turn' to bitch and moan now.
Dirty job, but somebody's got to do it.


After spendng 8 years with Bush43 I know how you feel.

There is nothing wrong with complaining. Just be sure to admit when you're
wrong too.

Olddog

"badgolferman" wrote in message
...
olddog wrote:


"badgolferman" wrote in message
. ..
retired54 wrote:


"badgolferman" wrote in message
. ..
Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much.
Obama is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his
policies have reflected such. If you're happy that's great
but I will be even happier when you share your wealth with
me because I certainly will need it when there are no more
jobs to go around and energy costs skyrocket. Let us know
if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your
own brains? Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful
feeling, better than sex.


Using your own brains please tell me how you envision President
Obama and Pelosi/Reid making the world and especially America a
better place. If possible piggyback on the points made by
original poster or just raise your own.


Haven't you guys done enough damage already?

Olddog

Lack of content noted.


Personally I think having Alfred E Newman for president says it all.

The errors are just too numerous to go over with you. Pick up a paper
or magazine and read.

Here's to better days.

Cheers

Olddog


More lack of content noted.


How can I argue with this?:

http://boortz.com/images/funny/bush_alfred_e_newman.jpg

Olddog

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Towards socialism.

If history repeats itself, Obama will be tested. Recent examples:

JFK - 5 months into his administration, the Berlin Wall was erected. JFK
does nothing.
Carter - 14 months later, USSR invades Afghanistan. Carter cancels U.S.
participation in the Olympics.
Reagan - 2 minutes after inauguration, Iran releases hostages.
Clinton - 13 months into his administration, the WTC was bombed, Clinton
launches Tomahawks.
Bush I - 20 months, Iraq invades Kuwait, Bush I unleashes hell.
Bush II - 9 months, WTC terrorist attack, ditto.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current left
and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. You could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal.
It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc


You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.

get out of "campaign mode". The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.



Ditto...and well said.

Olddog

In article ,
wrote:

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.


This is an illustration of why it is pretty much a waste of time and
energy to get into the arguments about who is more centrist. It is a
relative term and very person specific. From my personal standpoint, I
see Obama as much further right of center than McCain is left. I would
bet that you would argue that point rather strongly (since you already
have). YOU ain't gonna change my mind and I have seen nothing in our
rather colorful debate history that indicates any chinks in your outlook
on politics. So, why don't we just realize that, pundits not
withstanding, conservative and liberal are not remotely set in stone and
depend greatly on the individual's perspective. Something that is likely
not all that open to discussion.

get out of "campaign mode". The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.
You can follow the example and still harbor concerns about Obama
(or heck McCain for that matter).

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I consider myself a Republican and will concede Obama did inherit a
mess from Bush. You think things are going well?

At least "fair."

* Gas is less than $2.00/gallon. You'll note that since Bush revoked the
Executive Order banning offshore drilling in the middle of June, gasoline
prices have fallen by half.

* People who shouldn't have been in their own homes in the first place are
getting evicted. This might be a bonanza for people who own, or obtain,
rental property.

* With less home building, there's a flood of reverse migration. So much so,
in fact, that Mexico is complaining about declining remissions and increased
governmental services.

Then there's the bad side:

* Stock market is down.
* Credit is tighter.
* We're not killing as many do-bads as previously.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I consider myself a Republican and will concede Obama did inherit a
mess from Bush. You think things are going well?

At least "fair."

* Gas is less than $2.00/gallon. You'll note that since Bush revoked the
Executive Order banning offshore drilling in the middle of June, gasoline
prices have fallen by half.

I still think it is interesting that for the last year or so, the
oil futures have been in lock-step with the rises and falls of the US$.
I think a lot of this has to do with the use of oil futures for hedging
the dollar instead of buying oil and the price rise in oil wasn't
entirely related to the demand for oil as to the demand for dollar
hedges. That and the ridiculous 10% margin requirements.

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:07:37 -0800, "Zoot" wrote:
The popular vote split indicates that we all average out near the
center. That's not divided - it's unified. All we lacked was a leader
who undferstands that.



The political parties need to understand it as well. This pandering to the
extremes of the left and right are what's divided the country. I would love to
have a centrist party.


You won't hear an argument from me. It seems we pick full bore left or
right. Clearly the republicans main purpose was to enrich the fat cats
by fostering a totally opaque "free market economy". But electing Obama
is just a total move to the other direction. I have pride in our country
and I don't want a president that the "world would have elected" as is
touted with Obama because the world wants the US to be weaker and
diminished in stature. Thats what Obama stands for.


The Republicans left me behind when they started kissing fundamentalist ass.

They left me behind with the opaque "free market" which got us into a
situation that was so leveraged and convoluted that no one could understand.

And the Democrats conspire to deprive me of my God given right to defend myself
by their attempts to redefine the 2nd Amendment.

I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. Most of
them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not all. The parties
need to move closer to us instead of expecting us to come to them.


Exactly, I don't want to drink only either red or blue kool-aid.

wrote:

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center,

Tell that to the baby that gets thrown into the closet to die after a
botched abortion.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:13:27 GMT, "joe" wrote:


Obama's speech was just like him -- direct, simple, eloquent,
and quintessentially American. He called us to work for the common
good -- not to go shopping.

Go to work for the common good. Is that anything like "from each according
to his ability, to each according to his need?"

Quite the opposite.

It's a little late, isn't it, to continue quoting the tired rhetoric
of the failed McCain campaign, unparalleled in recent electoral
history in its lying, vicious, distortion of their opponent's words.

(And, it must be added, the inability or unwillingness of certain
elements of the electorate to seek out the original text and compare
it with the distortions.)

What you're quoting is the Communist Manifesto. Sounds good on paper
- Jesus preached the same philosophy -- but it never worked long-term
in the well-intentioned American communes of the 19th Century, and
certainly never worked in the Soviet Union. That "communism" quickly
deteriorated into a power struggle ending in a stultifying bureaucracy
run by cruel dictators where inequality became even more glaring than
under the Czars. And it was never remotely espoused by Obama,
no matter how his opposition distorted his words to delude an
unanalytic electorate.

People thrive when they are free to innovate, question, argue,
complain. (Check your U.S. Constitution.)

And compete -- FAIRLY!!! -- not with the corporate dice loaded
against the little guy/gal. Look at how much good has come out of
(mostly!) honest competition in our system, as opposed to the lack of
innovation in certain fatalistic Middle-Eastern theocratic systems
which haven't done **** in the last thousand years.

President Obama is a very, very, very smart guy. He has studied
history, unlike the outgoing empty suit, and unlike the war lover who
opposed him. He knows the only way American can prosper is to put
people to work on productive jobs that pay enough to support their
families and stay in their homes..

There are SO many jobs just WAITING to be filled, once we get the
White House fumigated to clear out the smell of those criminals who
spent eight years selling out honest citizens for money stolen from
our economy . Money we could have used at home was ****ed away not
only in illegal wars, but in profits skimmed by oil and other
extractive industries, unegulated finance, Big Pharma and insurance
-- profits drained from the blood of our soldiers and Iraqui civilians
in that war-build-on-lies. (You DO know that there are as many
outsourced no-bid "contractor" gangsters in Iraq as there are
military? The former without the most minimal accountability.)

About those jobs: Rebuild or replaces bridges, 50 and 75 years old
before YOU drive on them and fall into the river.

Same for highways, badly deteriorated from decades of overuse before
YOUR family's car is wrecked.

Restore national treasures such as the Florida Everglades. Begin to
restore the Gulf wetlands that historically, buffered coastal cities
from hurricanes -- but which have been destroyed by unregulated
development. Enter Katrina...

Begin to restore forests that absorb carbon dioxide and exude oxygen
-- restore them from the ruined slopes left by rapacious clients of
the Administration who strip them and ship to Japan to make
chopsticks. Restore mountain tops blasted by rapacious coal barons
and dumped into streams that choke wildlife.

Adequately fund and scientifically pursue alternative energy, rather
than handing the prairie "red" states political pork in the form of an
ill-conceived rush to corn-based ethanol.

Give children pre-natal and post-natal care and decent educations by
qualified teachers from kindergarten through college, so they can
become productive members of society instead of throw-aways who cost
society dearly

Generously fund PURE science research -- not the industry-directed
pork now ladeled out to bought&sold university to research institutes.
That's how unfettered science can work to discover that gem which
could better not only our lives, but those of the world.

That's "just" jobs -- not that they aren't BASIC to our future.

But there's also our good name to redeem.

We need to disavow torture and free innocents rounded
up by bounty hunters and never accorded due process.

Maybe if we work together instead of misquoting and distorting,
we can again become a light unto the world.

we are all responsible for this mess,lets quit complaining and blaming
and get to work , demanding responsible government ,is just one part
of it. the strength of any country is the family unit and what they
create with their own hands!

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:07:30 -0700, "cm" wrote:

Mortimer,

You don't think the Democrats had anything to do with our current situation?
Both sides have created this mess. The left and right only get further
apart. Scary stuff.
Good luck President elect Obama.

cm

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
news


"Frank" wrote in message
...
If Democrats are true to their Clintonian past they will blame their
failures on the Republicans and say they inherited a mess from them.
And, their mindless followers will continue to believe.


I consider myself a Republican and will concede Obama did inherit a mess
from Bush. You think things are going well?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

Towards socialism.


my only solace is that the "intellectuals" always get it first under those
regimes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"lukeluck" wrote in message
...
I am sure the radical terrorist Muslims are dancing in the streets and
praising allah because McRage was not elected. Get ready for the terrorists
to test BHO in a way he has never been tested before. I hope he has some big
balls. Bigger than Carter's or Clinton's combined.


There are going to be a lot of disappointed democratic voters when BO cant
fulfill his campaign promises.


The idiots begin again.

"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
...
ya, of turning us communist.


s


Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you going to leave
the 50's?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes.
Actually, when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us
signs the bill into law.


How about electricity rates?
Obama plans to bankrupt the coal industry and that's where most of the US
electric power comes from.

I suspect gas prices will climb again,too. Obama wants those to go way up.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

That would be "the Democratic congress". When are you wackos going to learn the
name of the party?

yar wrote in
:

we are all responsible for this mess,lets quit complaining and blaming
and get to work , demanding responsible government ,is just one part
of it. the strength of any country is the family unit and what they
create with their own hands!

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:07:30 -0700, "cm" wrote:

Mortimer,

You don't think the Democrats had anything to do with our current
situation? Both sides have created this mess. The left and right only
get further apart. Scary stuff.
Good luck President elect Obama.

cm

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
news


"Frank" wrote in message
...
If Democrats are true to their Clintonian past they will blame
their failures on the Republicans and say they inherited a mess
from them. And, their mindless followers will continue to believe.


I consider myself a Republican and will concede Obama did inherit a
mess from Bush. You think things are going well?



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com





the DemocRATs have hardly been "responsible government".

and Obama was very quick to blame his gaffes on others.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Zoot" wrote in message
...
Obama - You're going to need all the luck in the world,
bringing together a divided nation

He won't be able to do it. No one will. America is too widely divided. Look at
the popular vote split. America is already two different countries.


I think you underestimate this man.

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
wrote:

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.


This is an illustration of why it is pretty much a waste of time and
energy to get into the arguments about who is more centrist. It is a
relative term and very person specific. From my personal standpoint, I
see Obama as much further right of center than McCain is left. I would
bet that you would argue that point rather strongly (since you already
have). YOU ain't gonna change my mind and I have seen nothing in our
rather colorful debate history that indicates any chinks in your outlook
on politics. So, why don't we just realize that, pundits not
withstanding, conservative and liberal are not remotely set in stone and
depend greatly on the individual's perspective. Something that is likely
not all that open to discussion.

Obama was ranked as the MOST LEFTIST of the entire Senate.
OTOH,McCain is considered a RINO,that would make him "centrist".

Interestingly(and ironically),Obama would not have qualified for a security
clearance,but now he's got access to all US secrets.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

That would be "the Democratic congress". When are you wackos going to learn
the
name of the party?

Style standpoint either one is correct. It is a Congress made up of a
majority of Democrats so the Democrat Congress shows possession of the
Congress (or at least the majority). Democratic Congress shows the type
and kind of Congress. Both are okay.

On Nov 5, 6:44*am, " wrote:

REPLY: *I cried too....for the developing Americans in the womb who
are waiting to enter their own Country *knowing our next President
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How about that ABORTION you "suggested" to your underaged spermbank,
ya ****ing hypocrite!!!!

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:


Obama was ranked as the MOST LEFTIST of the entire Senate.
OTOH,McCain is considered a RINO,that would make him "centrist".
Yeah I got my rights and left mixed up. Problem with staying up late
and then trying to write coherently before my 6th cup of coffee. I
should have said that I view Obama as much more LEFT than McCain is
RIGHT of center.


Interestingly(and ironically),Obama would not have qualified for a security
clearance,but now he's got access to all US secrets.
I'll bite. Why not?

Bob F wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

That would be "the Democratic congress". When are you wackos going to learn the
name of the party?


It's "The Democrat Party" there is nothing democratic
about them.

TDD

cm wrote:
Mortimer,

You don't think the Democrats had anything to do with our current situation?
Both sides have created this mess. The left and right only get further
apart. Scary stuff.
Good luck President elect Obama.

cm

That would essentially be my response.

I do not wish good luck to Obama unless he is not the radical socialist
he ran as.

On Nov 5, 9:34*am, "retired54" wrote:

For a democrat Obama is quite conservative.

Is he? I honestly don't know. His voting record says one thing; his
words say both things. And in the end, what he believes or what he
"is" doesn't even matter; it's what he *does* as President that will
count. And I can honestly say that I have no idea how he's going to
govern. From the center? From the left? I don't know, and I have
nothing on which to base a judgement. I've heard people in the media
this morning asking "Who is Obama?" It might have been a good idea to
ask that question before we elected him....

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
news:kurtullman-DDAE9B.08431405112008@70-3-168-

Never have understood why people on both sides get so upset with the
other that they just can't abide by the fact that maybe the other dude
came to the decision on their own. This is a bipartisan indication of
the effects of cognitive dissonance.


Me either, it's as if you happen to like somebody else for prez, then you're
brainwashed if you don't think the same way as that person, or these people
that tell you..."I just want you to think about it," as if you hadn't.



--
Cheri

"olddog" wrote in message
...

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

When Bush43 got elected the first time I thought the world had come to
an
end but *my life* carried on in a normal fashion. That doesn't excuse
all
the pointless carnage in Iraq but the point is; McCain supporters will
probably come to the same conclusion on their own eventually.

Which of course has absolutely nothing to do with my point which is
why some of neither side can come to grips with the fact that someone
with a different viewpoint might actually have to come to it on their
own. Thus the OP suggests "move on koolaid" with your rather witty reply
of "try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling". But hey,
beats both of you maybe having to actually think about your positions.

Just my take on your point which I think is a good one.

Olddog



I think it's a great point. :-)

Cheri

Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
...
ya, of turning us communist.


s


Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you going to leave
the 50's?




Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin
recently went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we will
have a weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals it is
guaranteed he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget. Thats
really a cute idea but very naive because guys like Putin respect
strength and don't respect weakness. Remember all of the media telling
us that the world wants Obama (because a weak president weakens the
status of the US relative to them). My strong guess is that Putin will
attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU members after Obama takes office.
Putin is a clever guy and former KGB so he knows how to get the job done.

"George" wrote in message
...
Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
...
ya, of turning us communist.


s


Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you going to
leave the 50's?




Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin recently
went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we will have a
weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals it is guaranteed
he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget. Thats really a cute idea
but very naive because guys like Putin respect strength and don't respect
weakness. Remember all of the media telling us that the world wants Obama
(because a weak president weakens the status of the US relative to them).
My strong guess is that Putin will attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU
members after Obama takes office. Putin is a clever guy and former KGB so
he knows how to get the job done.

Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine or
Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO

Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.

Bush is the weak president. You need to look at the BIG picture.

BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in the
price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good reason
to conserve!

Olddog

George wrote:

Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in
message ...
ya, of turning us communist.


s


Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you
going to leave the 50's?




Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin
recently went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we
will have a weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals
it is guaranteed he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget.
Thats really a cute idea but very naive because guys like Putin
respect strength and don't respect weakness. Remember all of the
media telling us that the world wants Obama (because a weak president
weakens the status of the US relative to them). My strong guess is
that Putin will attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU members after
Obama takes office. Putin is a clever guy and former KGB so he knows
how to get the job done.


Not only Putin but the Iranian mullahs. They are just as crafty and
even more ruthless than Putin. But of course Obama wants to sit down
and have tea and goat cheese with them while they're murdering brave
young American soldiers behind his back.

--
"Cunning and treachery shall overcome youth and skill."

On Nov 5, 10:22*am, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:
Just a centrist party? *How about a five party system? *the current left and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. *You could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal. *It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.

get out of "campaign mode". *The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.



"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:07:37 -0800, "Zoot" wrote:
The popular vote split indicates that we all average out near the
center. That's not divided - it's unified. All we lacked was a leader
who undferstands that.

The political parties need to understand it as well. *This pandering to
the extremes of the left and right are what's divided the country. *I
would love to have a centrist party.

The Republicans left me behind when they started kissing fundamentalist
ass. And the Democrats conspire to deprive me of my God given right to
defend myself by their attempts to redefine the 2nd Amendment.

I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. *Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not all. *The
parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us to come to them.

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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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Obama is no where near the center except when he is trying to get
elected. If you had really looked into Obama's past and what he
stands for you would know that. Instead you listened only to the
election lies and fell for them hook line and sinker.

On Nov 5, 10:22*am, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:
Just a centrist party? *How about a five party system? *the current left and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. *You could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal. *It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.

get out of "campaign mode". *The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.



"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:07:37 -0800, "Zoot" wrote:
The popular vote split indicates that we all average out near the
center. That's not divided - it's unified. All we lacked was a leader
who undferstands that.

The political parties need to understand it as well. *This pandering to
the extremes of the left and right are what's divided the country. *I
would love to have a centrist party.

The Republicans left me behind when they started kissing fundamentalist
ass. And the Democrats conspire to deprive me of my God given right to
defend myself by their attempts to redefine the 2nd Amendment.

I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. *Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not all. *The
parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us to come to them.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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What...you don't want to follow the example that the Democrats have
set for the last eight years? OK, I will give him a chance but I will
also be keeping score on the number of promises that he breaks.