On Nov 5, 11:22*am, "Bob F" wrote:
"Zoot" wrote in message

...

Obama - You're going to need all the luck in the world,
bringing together a divided nation

He won't be able to do it. No one will. America is too widely divided. Look at
the popular vote split. America is already two different countries.

I think you underestimate this man.

Not half as much as you over esttimate him.

On Nov 5, 8:30*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"sanity" wrote in message

. ..

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters when
BO does fulfill his campaign promise.

Get real, don't you know how that is going to work? Obama is not
going to raise the taxes, he is simply going to let the current tax
cuts expire. The effect is the same but he will be able to claim that
he "Didn't raise them!".

In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine or
Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO
Nah. Putin moved into Georgia because we were tied up in Iraq and
Afghan and nature abhors a vacuum. With a less aggressively minded
president, if anything that vacuum increases. Not weak, per se, but the
different mindset of relying on diplomacy until too late (as opposed to
the current tendencies to bring in the armed forces too early). The
political strife that would come about from entry into either, would be
internal to the country and we (as Europe) would have little to do with
it. As he learned from Georgia.



Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.
I doubt either had or will have that much of an impact. Democracies
come about (as we have been reminded of in Iraq and should have
remembered from the 60s adventures in Southeast Asia and South America)
when the society is ready, not when the US or Europe or anyone else
comes around knocking.


BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in the
price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good reason
to conserve!

But it has a big Army and generally picks on the smaller countries,
so it has quite a bit to "give" as it were. Russia tends to work real
hard on showing how big and bad they are when they feel emasculated.
That and Putin needs to keep the great unwashed all shook up and looking
outward instead of noting the Emperors news clothes by looking in.

On Nov 5, 8:52*am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote:
"sanity" wrote in message

. ..

There are going to be a lot of disappointed democratic voters when BO cant
fulfill his campaign promises.

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters when
BO does fulfill his campaign promise.

Come back in three years and let's have this conversation again. *He's a
POLITICIAN. *Of course he's going to break his promises. *But he'll inspire us
as he does it.

--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Yep, just like EXLAX!

On Nov 5, 7:48*am, "retired54" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

...





In article , Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. *Obama is
the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have
reflected such. *If you're happy that's great but I will be even
happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will
need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs
skyrocket. *Let us know if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own brains?
Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than sex.

*Never have understood why people on both sides get so upset with the
other that they just can't abide by the fact that maybe the other dude
came to the decision on their own. This is a bipartisan indication of
the effects of cognitive dissonance.

When Bush43 got elected the first time I thought the world had come to an
end but *my life* carried on in a normal fashion. That doesn't excuse all
the pointless carnage in Iraq but the point is; McCain supporters will
probably come to the same conclusion on their own eventually.

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You are absolutely right, we survived Carter, we survived Clintoon,
and we will survive Obamarx too. I promise to give him the same
respect and support that you Dumbcraps have given Bush for the last
eight years.

"BobR" wrote in message
...
On Nov 5, 7:48 am, "retired54" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

...





In article , Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. Obama is
the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have
reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I will be even
happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will
need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs
skyrocket. Let us know if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own
brains?
Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than sex.

Never have understood why people on both sides get so upset with the
other that they just can't abide by the fact that maybe the other dude
came to the decision on their own. This is a bipartisan indication of
the effects of cognitive dissonance.

When Bush43 got elected the first time I thought the world had come to an
end but *my life* carried on in a normal fashion. That doesn't excuse all
the pointless carnage in Iraq but the point is; McCain supporters will
probably come to the same conclusion on their own eventually.

Olddog- Hide quoted text -

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You are absolutely right, we survived Carter, we survived Clintoon,
and we will survive Obamarx too. I promise to give him the same
respect and support that you Dumbcraps have given Bush for the last
eight years.

================================================

Respectfully, I'm a registered republican.

Olddor.

BobR wrote:

On Nov 5, 8:30*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes.
Actually, when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us
signs the bill into law.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"sanity" wrote in message

. ..

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters
when BO does fulfill his campaign promise.

Get real, don't you know how that is going to work? Obama is not
going to raise the taxes, he is simply going to let the current tax
cuts expire. The effect is the same but he will be able to claim that
he "Didn't raise them!".

He will also raise taxes on the middle class because he won't be able
to pay for all the new social programs the Democrats have proposed even
if the cut back defense spending by 25% as Barney the Frank has
promised. By the way, does anyone know what this Civilian National
Force that will be just as powerful, just as well-funded as the
military going to be?

--
"A word to the wise isn’t necessary. It's the stupid ones who need the
advice." ~ Bill Cosby

On Nov 5, 9:26*am, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:34:39 GMT, "retired54" wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation with
two
sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of laws
for
the proletariat.

For a democrat Obama is quite conservative. That's why so many conservatives
jumped ship and voted for him. Even "The Economist" endorsed him. Calm down
and take a deep breath. Give him a chance to straighten the mess your
neocons left.

Olddog

Agreed. Don't forget for a moment that one of McCains oft repeated
phrases was about putting America first. I fully expect that MCCain,
himself will have no problem working with OUR new president. NOt
everybody will be a big enough person to do the same. It's really up
to each individual whether they want to bitch and moan, or work
towards a better United States. Every person has two choices right
now. Either help, or get out of the way for those that want to put
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Spoken like someone who went out of their way to do likewise during
the current administration. You did didn't you? I didn't think so!

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine
or
Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO
Nah. Putin moved into Georgia because we were tied up in Iraq and
Afghan and nature abhors a vacuum. With a less aggressively minded
president, if anything that vacuum increases. Not weak, per se, but the
different mindset of relying on diplomacy until too late (as opposed to
the current tendencies to bring in the armed forces too early). The
political strife that would come about from entry into either, would be
internal to the country and we (as Europe) would have little to do with
it. As he learned from Georgia.



Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.
I doubt either had or will have that much of an impact. Democracies
come about (as we have been reminded of in Iraq and should have
remembered from the 60s adventures in Southeast Asia and South America)
when the society is ready, not when the US or Europe or anyone else
comes around knocking.


BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in
the
price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good
reason
to conserve!

But it has a big Army and generally picks on the smaller countries,
so it has quite a bit to "give" as it were. Russia tends to work real
hard on showing how big and bad they are when they feel emasculated.
That and Putin needs to keep the great unwashed all shook up and looking
outward instead of noting the Emperors news clothes by looking in.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine
or
Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO
Nah. Putin moved into Georgia because we were tied up in Iraq and
Afghan and nature abhors a vacuum. With a less aggressively minded
president, if anything that vacuum increases. Not weak, per se, but the
different mindset of relying on diplomacy until too late (as opposed to
the current tendencies to bring in the armed forces too early). The
political strife that would come about from entry into either, would be
internal to the country and we (as Europe) would have little to do with
it. As he learned from Georgia.



Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.
I doubt either had or will have that much of an impact. Democracies
come about (as we have been reminded of in Iraq and should have
remembered from the 60s adventures in Southeast Asia and South America)
when the society is ready, not when the US or Europe or anyone else
comes around knocking.


BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in
the
price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good
reason
to conserve!

But it has a big Army and generally picks on the smaller countries,
so it has quite a bit to "give" as it were. Russia tends to work real
hard on showing how big and bad they are when they feel emasculated.
That and Putin needs to keep the great unwashed all shook up and looking
outward instead of noting the Emperors news clothes by looking in.

Oops

You view Russia as a threat. I view Putin and crew as trying desperately to
hang on to power. The invasion of Georgia didn't go their way due to the
things I already mentioned (political strife and desertion).

But you're entitled to your opinion and alternate points of view are
valuable, when they are based on fact.

Respectfully,

Olddog

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

That would be "the Democratic congress". When are you wackos going to learn
the
name of the party?

Style standpoint either one is correct. It is a Congress made up of a
majority of Democrats so the Democrat Congress shows possession of the
Congress (or at least the majority). Democratic Congress shows the type
and kind of Congress. Both are okay.

Wrong. The party is the Democratic Party. NOT the "democrat party".

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
Bob F wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes. Actually,
when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us signs the bill into
law.

That would be "the Democratic congress". When are you wackos going to learn
the name of the party?


It's "The Democrat Party" there is nothing democratic
about them.

They just proved that wrong.

"badgolferman" wrote in message
...
BobR wrote:

On Nov 5, 8:30 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes.
Actually, when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us
signs the bill into law.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"sanity" wrote in message

. ..

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters
when BO does fulfill his campaign promise.

Get real, don't you know how that is going to work? Obama is not
going to raise the taxes, he is simply going to let the current tax
cuts expire. The effect is the same but he will be able to claim that
he "Didn't raise them!".

He will also raise taxes on the middle class because he won't be able
to pay for all the new social programs the Democrats have proposed even
if the cut back defense spending by 25% as Barney the Frank has
promised. By the way, does anyone know what this Civilian National
Force that will be just as powerful, just as well-funded as the
military going to be?


So you wackos keep saying. Saying it over and over doesn't make it so.

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...

the DemocRATs have hardly been "responsible government".

and Obama was very quick to blame his gaffes on others.

But they've never been as irresponsible as the recent republicans.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:55:15 -0500, Frank
wrote:

lukeluck wrote:
I am sure the radical terrorist Muslims are dancing in the streets and
praising allah because McRage was not elected. Get ready for the terrorists
to test BHO in a way he has never been tested before. I hope he has some big
balls. Bigger than Carter's or Clinton's combined.


There are going to be a lot of disappointed democratic voters when BO cant
fulfill his campaign promises.

lukeluck



If Democrats are true to their Clintonian past they will blame their
failures on the Republicans and say they inherited a mess from them.
And, their mindless followers will continue to believe.

Oh, get over yourself.

Really. It's a good think the republicans never blamed their failures on the
Democtats, or we'd think these guys are hypocrits.

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:25:35 -0600, Chris wrote Re
I cried...:

lukeluck wrote:
I am sure the radical terrorist Muslims are dancing in the streets and
praising allah because McRage was not elected. Get ready for the terrorists
to test BHO in a way he has never been tested before. I hope he has some big
balls.
Bigger than Carter's or Clinton's combined.

Hell, a neutered mouse has bigger balls than those two combined.

Ooooo. The losers are getting upset!

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not
all. The parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us
to come to them.

The political parties accurately reflect the views of their membership. If
you want them to change, get active in the party of your choice and become
an advocate.

It's the "independent" voter who's the most dependent of all. He has no say
in who the candidates will be, he has no voice in the platform, policies, or
practices of either party. After the election, he has no influence or power
over the elected officials.

To a politician, an independent voter is like a dust storm. He shows up once
every four years, creates a mess and much confusion, and has to be dealt
with. After that, he's ignored until next time.

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current
left and right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the
inbetween. You could get your party, then a liberal/conservative
and a conservative/liberal. It would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc


You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years.

I didn't get the memo. What damage over the last eight years? If you're
talking about the financial mess, everything was fine until the Democrats
took over Congress.

when obama takes away our guns,allows gays to marry and we get his
soocialist society ,everything will be better i think . theres no reason
for the wealthy not to have their wealth redistributed to us poor folks
it will be better . people really need to get over their guns and
religion and let real progress happen. amos

HeyBub wrote:

The political parties accurately reflect the views of their
membership. If you want them to change, get active in the party of
your choice and become an advocate.

It's the "independent" voter who's the most dependent of all. He has
no say in who the candidates will be, he has no voice in the
platform, policies, or practices of either party. After the election,
he has no influence or power over the elected officials.

To a politician, an independent voter is like a dust storm. He shows
up once every four years, creates a mess and much confusion, and has
to be dealt with. After that, he's ignored until next time.


I blame the nomination of John McCain on one of two things:

a) open primaries

b) backroom dealings to set him up as the fall guy for this election.

The "compassionate conservatism" of George W. Bush did the most to
derail the Republican Party than anything else. Good riddance to all
the RINOs. Time to rebuild with those who share the same core beliefs.

In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


Oops

You view Russia as a threat. I view Putin and crew as trying desperately to
hang on to power. The invasion of Georgia didn't go their way due to the
things I already mentioned (political strife and desertion).

I view Russia as a threat PRECISELY because Putin and crew are trying
desperately to hang on to power. They got what they wanted, a scared and
concerned world, and sabre-rattling for local consumption.



But you're entitled to your opinion and alternate points of view are
valuable, when they are based on fact.


Same to ya, Dawg.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


Oops

You view Russia as a threat. I view Putin and crew as trying desperately
to
hang on to power. The invasion of Georgia didn't go their way due to the
things I already mentioned (political strife and desertion).

I view Russia as a threat PRECISELY because Putin and crew are trying
desperately to hang on to power. They got what they wanted, a scared and
concerned world, and sabre-rattling for local consumption.



But you're entitled to your opinion and alternate points of view are
valuable, when they are based on fact.


Same to ya, Dawg.

The best way to keep Russia in check is to keep the price of energy down.
IMHO

BTW: The info on the Russian invasion of Georgia came from a Newsweek
article I read while waiting for my flu shot. Just so you know I didn't make
it up.

Olddog

In article ,
wrote:


Bush made it quite clear that his idea of bi-partisan was when
everybody agreed to go along with his position. He was not interested
in any other viewpoints.


Which is pretty much the Dem's view of bipartisanship too. GW's trust
in the concepts of bipartisanship were forged in Daddy's administration,
especially the outcome of the Budget Mugging... er Summit 1990. The Dems
said they wouldn't come to the table without a "bi-partisan" agenda that
included both tax increases and budget cuts. When Daddy responded in a
bipartisan manner and gave in on tax cuts, the Dems proceeded to pound
him soundly about the face and head with "read my lips". Oh, and they
sorta forgot to get around to the cuts.
Both sides have for a long time viewed bipartisanship as "you lay down
and take it whilst I do whatever I want". And this was pretty much
independent of the party's majority or minority status at the time.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


I know very few people who would buy all of their party's positions. Most
of them are like me, who agree with aspects of both.... but not
all. The parties need to move closer to us instead of expecting us
to come to them.

The political parties accurately reflect the views of their membership. If
you want them to change, get active in the party of your choice and become
an advocate.
They accurately reflect the views of the MOST active part of their
membership. Of course, that still means you have to get involved.

In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


BTW: The info on the Russian invasion of Georgia came from a Newsweek
article I read while waiting for my flu shot. Just so you know I didn't make
it up.

That's nothing new. Ruskies have been a hard drinking, getting the
heck out of Dodgeski group for quite awhile. Just that they are so big
and the people picking on so small, they can afford to lose 20% of the
Army and still do what they need to do to deflect the unwashed masses at
home.
They have also learned to strike, get people riled and then work
their way back out again intact. Big difference from their little Afghan
adventure.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"retired54" wrote:


BTW: The info on the Russian invasion of Georgia came from a Newsweek
article I read while waiting for my flu shot. Just so you know I didn't
make
it up.

That's nothing new. Ruskies have been a hard drinking, getting the
heck out of Dodgeski group for quite awhile. Just that they are so big
and the people picking on so small, they can afford to lose 20% of the
Army and still do what they need to do to deflect the unwashed masses at
home.
They have also learned to strike, get people riled and then work
their way back out again intact. Big difference from their little Afghan
adventure.

And that accomplishes?

My point is they are in a wound licking mode. Russia will always be a
threat. Their threat is weakened when democracy prevails. Hence their
reaction to Obama's victory They see that more as a threat TO THEIR OWN
POWER FROM WITHIN. Russia has enough problems of it's own to pick fights
with us. Conserve,conserve, conserve...it's the best weapon we have against
the Russians.

Olddog

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:23 AM
Posted To: alt.home.repair
Conversation: I cried...
Subject: I cried...

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current
left and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. You
could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal.
It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc


You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.

get out of "campaign mode". The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.

=======================================

"Put America First"....just what exactly does that mean?

How? and by who's standard of interpretation?
As in...the rest of the world can take a back seat?

Could we.....
Start buying products and goods made in the USA?
No matter if they are lower quality and more expensive?
[Perhaps American workers can start to pay more attention, be more
thorough, become more competent and raise their personal standards of
quality?]

Could we......
Forget about all the bleeding heart foreign aid and take care of our own
people better?

Could we......
Get rid of illegals who have been sucking off our bleeding heart social
system for far too long? Invite them to petition for immigration like
dignified ladies and gentlemen to show some respect to America?

It will be very interesting to see if this country could actually have
standards, values and traditions that work for everyone....instead of
hundreds of personal agenda's for you name it 'issue'.

HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current
left and right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the
inbetween. You could get your party, then a liberal/conservative
and a conservative/liberal. It would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years.

I didn't get the memo. What damage over the last eight years? If you're
talking about the financial mess, everything was fine until the Democrats
took over Congress.


Democrats will never admit wrongdoing. That's
why liberalism is a mental disease. No, I'm
not a Republican.

TDD

retired54 wrote:
"George" wrote in message
...
Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
...
ya, of turning us communist.


s

Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you going to
leave the 50's?



Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin recently
went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we will have a
weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals it is guaranteed
he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget. Thats really a cute idea
but very naive because guys like Putin respect strength and don't respect
weakness. Remember all of the media telling us that the world wants Obama
(because a weak president weakens the status of the US relative to them).
My strong guess is that Putin will attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU
members after Obama takes office. Putin is a clever guy and former KGB so
he knows how to get the job done.

Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine or
Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO

Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.

Bush is the weak president. You need to look at the BIG picture.

BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in the
price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good reason
to conserve!

Olddog


Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD

badgolferman wrote:
BobR wrote:

On Nov 5, 8:30 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I'm going to be disappointed when Barack Hussein raises taxes.
Actually, when the Democrat congress raises taxes, and Oh Bomb Us
signs the bill into law.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"sanity" wrote in message

. ..

And there's going to be a lot of disappointed republican voters
when BO does fulfill his campaign promise.
Get real, don't you know how that is going to work? Obama is not
going to raise the taxes, he is simply going to let the current tax
cuts expire. The effect is the same but he will be able to claim that
he "Didn't raise them!".

He will also raise taxes on the middle class because he won't be able
to pay for all the new social programs the Democrats have proposed even
if the cut back defense spending by 25% as Barney the Frank has
promised. By the way, does anyone know what this Civilian National
Force that will be just as powerful, just as well-funded as the
military going to be?

And I'd like to know what why it's needed.

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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retired54 wrote:
"George" wrote in message
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Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message
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ya, of turning us communist.


s

Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you going
to leave the 50's?



Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin
recently went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we will
have a weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals it is
guaranteed he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget. Thats
really a cute idea but very naive because guys like Putin respect
strength and don't respect weakness. Remember all of the media telling
us that the world wants Obama (because a weak president weakens the
status of the US relative to them). My strong guess is that Putin will
attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU members after Obama takes office.
Putin is a clever guy and former KGB so he knows how to get the job
done.

Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new president
elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into the Ukraine
or Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold due to political
strife. IMHO

Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world. Bush
did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.

Bush is the weak president. You need to look at the BIG picture.

BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall in
the price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia. Another good
reason to conserve!

Olddog


Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD

what's your point?

"Lisa BB." wrote in message
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The Daring Dufas wrote in
:

retired54 wrote:
"George" wrote in message
...
Bob F wrote:
"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in
message ...
ya, of turning us communist.


s

Communists? You are still worried about communists? When are you
going to leave the 50's?



Sounds like you haven't been keeping up on current events. Putin
recently went into Georgia to test the waters. Beginning in 2009 we
will have a weak, pacifist president. As part of his pacifist ideals
it is guaranteed he will ask for huge cuts of the military budget.
Thats really a cute idea but very naive because guys like Putin
respect strength and don't respect weakness. Remember all of the
media telling us that the world wants Obama (because a weak
president weakens the status of the US relative to them). My strong
guess is that Putin will attempt to begin reacquiring the FSU
members after Obama takes office. Putin is a clever guy and former
KGB so he knows how to get the job done.

Russia has severe internal problems. Putin views America's new
president elect as a threat because he knows if he tries to move into
the Ukraine or Georgia it will be MORE difficult for Russia to hold
due to political strife. IMHO

Obama's presidency only strengthens democracy through-out the world.
Bush did nothing but damage democracy through-out the world.

Bush is the weak president. You need to look at the BIG picture.

BTW: Russia's army is plagued by alcoholism and desertion. The fall
in the price of a barrel of oil has all but emasculated Russia.
Another good reason to conserve!

Olddog


Olddog, I have a question for you and I'm not trying
to be nasty or contentious. It's actually a serious
question. What form of government is The United States
of America? I'd really like to know what you believe.

TDD


The people have spoken. Please don't be so patronizing with your veiled
rhetoric.

Oh I don't need any help!

Thanks anyway.

These misinformed people amuse me!

Thanks

Olddog

badgolferman wrote:
Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.
I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much. Obama
is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his policies have
reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I will be even
happier when you share your wealth with me because I certainly will
need it when there are no more jobs to go around and energy costs
skyrocket. Let us know if you're still happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own
brains? Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better
than sex.


Using your own brains please tell me how you envision President Obama
and Pelosi/Reid making the world and especially America a better place.
If possible piggyback on the points made by original poster or just
raise your own.

I can't divine the future, so I don't know if the world will be a better
place two years from now or not, but I am not going to say it won't just
because of my political conviction. Are you?

Besides, PE Obama has said repeatedly that it's not just up to him but
also and mainly up to us to make our future better. Can we stop
repeating political talking point from either party and start working on
solutions? I am ready.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:29:15 -0500, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


Bush made it quite clear that his idea of bi-partisan was when
everybody agreed to go along with his position. He was not interested
in any other viewpoints.


Which is pretty much the Dem's view of bipartisanship too. GW's trust
in the concepts of bipartisanship were forged in Daddy's administration,
especially the outcome of the Budget Mugging... er Summit 1990. The Dems
said they wouldn't come to the table without a "bi-partisan" agenda that
included both tax increases and budget cuts. When Daddy responded in a
bipartisan manner and gave in on tax cuts, the Dems proceeded to pound
him soundly about the face and head with "read my lips". Oh, and they
sorta forgot to get around to the cuts.
Both sides have for a long time viewed bipartisanship as "you lay down
and take it whilst I do whatever I want". And this was pretty much
independent of the party's majority or minority status at the time.

Wake up, Kurt. This is not the same Democratic party, and Obama was
far from a typical Democratic Presidential candidate. McCain wasn't
exactly typical of the Republican party, either.

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:18:27 -0600, "Coleah"
wrote:



-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Posted At: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:23 AM
Posted To: alt.home.repair
Conversation: I cried...
Subject: I cried...

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current
left and
right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the inbetween. You
could
get your party, then a liberal/conservative and a conservative/liberal.
It
would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc


You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years. You will
also see all those who really want to "put America first" doing the
same.

get out of "campaign mode". The campaign is now OVER and the fat lady
has sung. Watch John McCain and follow his example.

=======================================

"Put America First"....just what exactly does that mean?

How? and by who's standard of interpretation?
As in...the rest of the world can take a back seat?

Could we.....
Start buying products and goods made in the USA?
No matter if they are lower quality and more expensive?
[Perhaps American workers can start to pay more attention, be more
thorough, become more competent and raise their personal standards of
quality?]

Could we......
Forget about all the bleeding heart foreign aid and take care of our own
people better?

Could we......
Get rid of illegals who have been sucking off our bleeding heart social
system for far too long? Invite them to petition for immigration like
dignified ladies and gentlemen to show some respect to America?

It will be very interesting to see if this country could actually have
standards, values and traditions that work for everyone....instead of
hundreds of personal agenda's for you name it 'issue'.



Boy are you ever a mixed up puppy.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:36:22 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

HeyBub wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:17:19 GMT, "joe" wrote:

Just a centrist party? How about a five party system? the current
left and right would occupy the extremes, then just fill the
inbetween. You could get your party, then a liberal/conservative
and a conservative/liberal. It would be interesting, anyway.

I won't hold my breath for it however.

jc

You guys both need to take a deep breath and read what I wrote a
second time. Despite the hysterics, Obama is, in fact, within a stones
throw of the center, as is John McCain. That's precisely why the vote
was as close as it was. I think you are going to see John McCain doing
his best to work with Obama for the common goal of moving us forward
and fixing some of the damge wrought in the past 8 years.

I didn't get the memo. What damage over the last eight years? If you're
talking about the financial mess, everything was fine until the Democrats
took over Congress.


Democrats will never admit wrongdoing. That's
why liberalism is a mental disease. No, I'm
not a Republican.

TDD

No one will have you?

"Lisa BB." wrote in message
...

We all saw the hate coming from the McCain campaign. In the end, McCain
gave a great speech. Where was that during the campaign? When he
selected
his VP, I lost a lot of respect for McCain. As his negative slings and
arrows shot out, I lost nearly all respect for him. His campaign was
extremely divisive. Toward the end, the republicans looked silly
scratching and clawing at anything. They saw the writing on the wall.

No, we didn't all see that at all. I thought both campaigns did a good job,
without a lot of hate filled rhetoric. The only hate came from the hateful
people putting hateful spins on the things the candidates said. That goes
for the supporters on both sides IMO.


Cheri

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I cried also. Because the nation I love so much just elected a far left
socialist who may not even be a US citizen. Who will likely continue the
failed policies of the Clinton Regime. Tax the people, spend on social
programs. Encourage immorality and perversion. Separate the nation with two
sets of laws, one set of laws for the powerful and the other set of laws for
the proletariat.

More party talking points? Why am I not surprised? Even McCain stopped
using this .... (four letter word here). You didn't get the memo, obviously.

On 05 Nov 2008 22:11:02 GMT, "Lisa BB."
wrote:

"retired54" wrote in
:


"BobR" wrote in message
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.. On Nov 5, 7:48 am, "retired54" wrote:
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message

..
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In article , Chris wrote:

badgolferman wrote:
wrote:

Now we have hope that our new President, governing
from the center, will nominate centrist Justices who
don't cynically interpret the Constitution for the
benefit of religious fanatics, corporate thieves
and anti-environmental hatchetmen.

I think you have been drinking the MoveOn kool-aid too much.
Obama is the most socialist senator in the Congress and his
policies have reflected such. If you're happy that's great but I
will be even happier when you share your wealth with me because
I certainly will need it when there are no more jobs to go
around and energy costs skyrocket. Let us know if you're still
happy in two years.

Promised, I will. Until then, how about you start using your own
brains?
Try it, thinking on your own is a wonderful feeling, better than
sex.

Never have understood why people on both sides get so upset with
the other that they just can't abide by the fact that maybe the
other dude came to the decision on their own. This is a bipartisan
indication of the effects of cognitive dissonance.

When Bush43 got elected the first time I thought the world had come
to an end but *my life* carried on in a normal fashion. That doesn't
excuse all the pointless carnage in Iraq but the point is; McCain
supporters will probably come to the same conclusion on their own
eventually.

Olddog- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are absolutely right, we survived Carter, we survived Clintoon,
and we will survive Obamarx too. I promise to give him the same
respect and support that you Dumbcraps have given Bush for the last
eight years.

================================================

Respectfully, I'm a registered republican.

Olddor.




The way republicans like to name call by misspelling names is so
disgusting. That name calling is the stuff little children do.

We all saw the hate coming from the McCain campaign. In the end, McCain
gave a great speech. Where was that during the campaign? When he selected
his VP, I lost a lot of respect for McCain. As his negative slings and
arrows shot out, I lost nearly all respect for him. His campaign was
extremely divisive. Toward the end, the republicans looked silly
scratching and clawing at anything. They saw the writing on the wall.

The people have spoken.
Yes we can and did!

I think McCain got caught up in the campaingn and forgot who he was
towrads the end. I'm expecting him to be back to his old, lovable,
sincere, straight talk, self shortly. I don't think he's evil or bad.
I just disagree with some of his ideas about how to do things. I have
a feeling that he an Obama are going to get along just fine.

"Chris" wrote in message ...

Besides, PE Obama has said repeatedly that it's not just up to him but
also and mainly up to us to make our future better. Can we stop
repeating political talking point from either party and start working on
solutions? I am ready.

If only. :-)

Cheri